If they made this today it would be a Souls-like

>>713514394 (OP)
And it would be unusually difficult.

I'll even accept soulrollslop I just want a third game

making it a soulslike would be an improvement.
i love the game but it's incredibly repetitive and the combat has no depth.
if they kept everything the same but made it so dodging and parrying are necessary then that would be good

So the combat would be good instead of being a stiff OoT knock off?

are you guys READY for the remake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HVPkRzFIUg

>>713514862
>actually interested
>open video
>gameplay starts
>instantly start screaming LEVEL-5 HIRE THIS MAN

>>713514394 (OP)
Good thing it wasn't made today, and made during a time when games were good, and not depressing, disgusting slop.

Why doesn't an indie company make a spiritual successor? These games aren't very complicated

>>713514394 (OP)
I bought that game in like February but I still haven't played it. Any good?

Dark Cloud 2 feels like it has more production value and I like Max and Monica more than Toan and his party, but I liked the city building in 1 more. What the FUCK were they thinking with the golfing? So random.

It should have had turn-based combat like a proper roguelite.

>>713516005
i prefer the art direction and tone of the first game, i didn't like the voice acting in the second either, but they improved on the gameplay and progression so much in the second

>>713514394 (OP)
Is Fantasy Life i a worthy successor?

>>713516142
I actually prefer the art direction of the second game, but I think both games' tones are incredibly good in their own right, the feeling of desolation at the start of the first Dark Cloud is amazing and I like how you are the one what actually makes everything better by building the towns, but Dark Chronicle feels incredibly comfy from the start and it gives you a strange sense of melancholic hope, damn it, I wish Level-5 would start making big games again

>>713516005
Thinking about it, one thing I really enjoyed about 2 is that it encouraged you to try out everything. Even the camera stuff, which is usually an afterthought in most games, would reward you with all sorts of equipment and items. There were shitty aspects to it of course, like getting fucked on something if you didn't take a picture of some boss performing a specific attack, but in general it was nice.

>>713516165
>uses unreal engine 5
nope

>>713514394 (OP)
give it to me straight /v/, is this game challening?
I played the demo as a kid and for nearly 25 years thought about it but never actually went and played it

>>713516636
The first game is challenging but only because it's actually unfair as fuck with its mechanics, like to the point of ruining a lot of the fun

>>713516636
the second game is much fairer and less grindy
it's worth playing the first one but don't beat yourself up if you never finish it, story in the second doesn't really connect to the first except for some lore stuff

>>713516636
It’s only really hard at the start when you have jack shit for resources. It gets a lot easier, especially if you abuse the ranged characters.

>>713516165
Level 5 died after Rogue Galaxy. Yokai Watch 3 was a brief but succinct flash of brilliance.

>>713516005
Monica is so sweet I love her

>>713515628
Village building and bunch of NPCs with shit to say blow up the scope. If it were a game with just the dungeon crawling it would be more doable and the dungeon crawling just wasn't that good.

>>713516165
That's a shitty followup to the original Fantasy Life.

>>713514862
>fade in from black
>immediately see default engine running animation
>default engine jumping animation
>why the fuck did they even include jumping
>goes into a dungeon
>Unreal5 as fuck
Even as a proof of concept this is still lackluster. Should have waited until he at least had the the most basic of the basic game features in a presentable state. As it stands this is something that anyone could pull off.

>>713516005
>What the FUCK were they thinking with the golfing? So random.
JRPGs of the PSX/PS2 era were filled to the brim with random minigames. Spheda had some issues(you could occasionally get fucked by RNG and certain dungeons were cancerous due to terrain) but it was solid and is still my favorite iteration of golf in a video game.

>>713519084
>sewers are the first and most basic dungeon you deal with
>the most agonizing golf experience possible because of the gaps on the sides

>>713518834
what

>>713514394 (OP)
I replayed 2 in Japanese recently. Great voice acting, great designs, decent story. But the dungeon crawling and basic gameplay (combat especially) really does get repetitive. More 3D dungeons and a jump button would help exploration a lot. Also let Julius fuck Monica.

Hahaha.
Mayhaps it is all of our fates to be put in gatchapon balls

Perchance HE avoided that fate.
Hahaha.

>>713515628
because indie companies fucking suck and can only make soulless inferior copies of superior games

>>713518293
>tfw you’ll never relive the days of being a horny high schooler and finally unlocking Monica’s bikini
Even if there is more explicit games and material out there, it’s just not the same.

>can literally solve the water and repair powder issue for the rest of the game by spending a simple 2 hours farming the backrooms in the Divine Beast Cave and without even relying on exploits like the mayor or the broken dagger glitch
>most of the "clunky gameplay" isssues people have are being unable to comprehend backing up while winding up strong attacks, effectively making Goro a god damned monster if you learn to time the charged hammer hit on most monsters in the game
>most people don't even use the fucking items to inflict Gooey and shit on monsters that are notorious motherfuckers that effectively neuters them entirely
>only hard boss in the entire game is La Saya, which can be handled simply by keeping a Dran Feather ready at all times

One of the most misunderstood games on the PS2

>>713521029
>a simple 2 hours
I don't really need to read more

>>713521029
The water system was just stupid and didn't add anything to the game. The WHP system was fine in concept but the issue wasn't repair powder, it was the fact that some enemies would straight up break your weapon from nearly full WHP due to a single multi-hit attack if you didn't have Durable on it. This would have been somewhat acceptable if the weapon just became unusable until repaired but no. The weapon is gone forever.

>>713521897
Why the FUCK would you GUARD against a MULTI HIT ENEMY? Why are you not holding a fucking Dran's Feather for these exact kind of situations? Why the FUCK are you using frail weapons on durable enemies?

>>713521897
It was another reason ranged was so much better too. The weapon is way more durable. So it felt like unless I really needed to swap or if swapping was much more convenient, I’m just gonna use the loli catgirl.

>>713522257
but Toan was literally me...
how could i not put all the upgrades onto him?

>>713514394 (OP)
Oh god, that would be the worst fucking timeline.

>>713522102
>guard
No anon you misunderstand. The problem isn't guarding. You can chunk a massive portion of WHP from performing a single attack because that's just how some enemies are. If they block you lose extra and blocking is entirely random and you can't get around it. If they're durable enemies in general like the dragons or rock fucks toward the end of the game then you naturally lose a huge chunk per attack because that's just how the game is coded.
>hurr durr den u get durbble!
It's objectively bad game design when it becomes a requirement to avoid losing 80%+ of your WHP from performing a single attack.

The fact that the WHP system is so horribly, inexcusably flawed in the first game is a huge part of why the optimal thing to do in the later dungeons is just get Supernova and never switch off of Osmond since ranged weapons don't suffer the massive penalty of striking certain enemies.

>>713522623
>that's just how some enemies are
i think it was the stone and metal enemies, i ended up saving bombs and other damage dealing throwables for them because i was sick of reloading my save after forgetting about the weapon durability

>>713522623
This is where ITEMS come into play. ITEMS. That you fucking THROW. At ENEMIES. That exploits their elemental weaknesses and obliterates them without breaking your god damned weapon because you're monging the fuck out.
>but-
No! Get some fucking bombs, get some fucking crystals, diversify your fucking inventory, or suck shit because you adamantly refuse to interact with the intended fucking mechanics and solutions the game fucking gives you and beats you over the god damned head with.

Durable weapons aren't the fucking solution, they're a god damned bandaid for if you fuck up and have to engage the enemy because it's the last one left and definitely has the fucking key. You're not the retard who tries to kill every single enemy in the dungeon before moving on, not giving a care what the enemy is, are you? You're not even remotely considering the enemies at all, are you?

This is a fucking dungeon crawler, not a god damned JRPG.

>>713522871
Behold, someone who figured it out and learned how to deal with these enemies moving forward. God fucking forbid a gamer do some fucking planning before dungeon delving in a dungeon crawler.

>>713523021
same guy who unironically posted "just farm for 2 hours and spam one attack" like he had a point

>>713523021
>items
Invalid argument. When you've got 10 dragons on a single dungeon floor and the item you throw deals a small portion of their health in damage it is not a realistic solution to the problem. You know what the real solution is? Dedicating all your resources to Osmond and never bothering with any weapon other than Supernova. Far more efficient and far more practical than trying to show how "clever" you are by filling your inventory with bombs and running out before you even clear half the floor.

It's a valid option for the occasional troublesome enemy but by the time you reach the end-game dungeons durable enemies who destroy your melee weapons are fucking everywhere. They're far to common and far too plentiful to make item preparation a practical solution.

>>713514394 (OP)
>a Souls-like
>with weapon durability
worst idea ever

>>713523268
Most monsters aren't fucking metal/stone. A good 2 hours of farming the backrooms means you can have a steady supply of items to make progression faster without wearing down your weapons, effectively eliminating the difficulty that Thirst and WHP intends to limit you from one-running an entire dungeon.

But sure, try to make it all absolutes as if I don't know how the game works when you're claiming the game has bad design because there exists enemies that force you to think about doing something other than spamming Attack on fucking Toan or Ungaga.

>>713523472
>ten dragons on a single floor
You mean a grand total of three possible rooms in the post game dungeon? Because that's not the case with Divine Beast Cave unless you're delving in too deep in the later level backrooms (and you can just fucking leave and don't even have to engage with them), and the only other place they can appear in any number greater than 2 or 3 is the final fucking dungeon. Which by then, yes, you absolutely should have the proper tools to deal with them, and the right items CAN fuck them over. Items aren't just damage gems or bombs.
>just dump it all on Osmond
Genuine retard. You're like the fags who say "just use the Chicago Typewriter every other weapon is worthless and a waste of precious resources" regarding RE4. By the time you've built up your precious end game showstopper I already beat the fucking game 4-5 hours earlier than you built the fucking Supernova to begin with.
>by the time you reach the end-game dungeons durable enemies who destroy your melee weapons are fucking everywhere. They're far too common and plentiful to make item preparation a practical solution
One room in the entire fucking dungeon is what you describe. One fucking room. You can leave, reprepare for it, finish it, leave to restock, and then return from there without a single penalty whatsoever. On top of this, why in the hell are you not switching to characters like Osmond, Ruby, or Xiao?

>>713523920
I can smell the sweat from here goddamn

>>713523920
>being this pedantic
I'm just going to accept your concession here. You're repeatedly twisting facts and being fallacious because you can't admit that your favorite game is highly flawed.

the game gives you multiple ways to deal with durable enemies
>throwables
>ranged characters
>ignore them since you don't need to kill all the enemies in a dungeon to progress most of the time

only retards smash their skulls into a wall when there's a door right next to them

>>713523920
the fact that you think grinding for 2 hours is an acceptable solution speaks loudly of the issues of the game's systems

>>713523920
>just farm until number go up
peak JRPG moment

>>713524415
>items
Impractical considering the number of enemies present in later dungeons, your limited inventory and how much it takes to kill them.
>ranged characters
Osmond is the best character in the game and there is realistically zero reason to switch off of him for combat reasons once you get him and dump all your resources into his weapon.
>just don't engage in gameplay
Holy fuck what a desperate reach.

>>713524618
I wish it would be that easy, his argument is to farm 2 hours to have enough items to progress the game

>>713524936
yea I meant you still just make a number go up, just instead of EXP it's repair powder and water.
Though it's been years since I played DC, I can't remember if I needed to grind individual characters or not but I'm pretty sure I had to.

>>713524789
The arguments are mostly retarded, but
>you shouldn't aim to kill literally everything
is fair enough and applies to most games.

>>713516165
I think it’s a good game, but I don’t think it’ll scratch the itch for Dark Cloud.
It did make me believe that team could actually put out a good new installment, though.

>>713525114
Well yeah every character has their type of weapon so you need to grind them all, thank God the sequel only gave you 3 characters for combat

>>713525172
The problem is end-game dungeons are filled with problematic enemies and progress is RNG. Sometimes you don't get the choice.

>>713525172
Anon this is literally the game where the key to exit the dungeon is hidden inside a random enemy

>>713525279
Yea true, Monica and Max are just fun to use and the robot is the GOAT. Though I wish someone moded DC2 to fix the monster transformation, would make the game so much better

>>713525547
>a random enemy
yes A random enemy, not all. you can safely ignore 1/3 of enemies in most cases

>>713525547
Right, which means you might need to kill them all, but not that you always, or likely, will.

>>713525759
Murphy's law, the odd of someone somewhere having shit luck and needing to kill everything for it is 100% and you can bet that person will that this shit for the rest of his life

>"it's fine because you don't have to kill everything!"
I can't believe retards are genuinely trying to use this as a defense as if it counters the bad design of RNG input-reading blocks on some enemies draining massive portions of WHP in a game where it can take hours to build a weapon. Do you retards not understand how you're trying to sidestep the point? It's not an issue of being gradually worn down. The system is inherently flawed in one of the worst possible ways.

>>713514697
genuinely retarded
>take beloved rpg game
>nullify all rpg mechanics and stats within it because now none of it matters you just dodge and parry and hit them 100 times with a level 1 stick and 0 defense
oh what's that, it's meant to be dopamine and feel good to find a fluffy donut? it's meant to feel good going on long weapon levelling chains and breaking them to put them into new weapons? whoops you just made all that pointless and unnecessary
rpg games should be about stats and rpg systems, not fucking reaction gameplay that allows you to take zero damage and bypass everything else

>>713525659
>>713525759
You know how many fucking times I had to kill every enemy? Satan himself coded the RNG for the game

>>713526002
Dishonest arguments are bread and butter for /v/ fags praising overrated games.

>>713516142
>but they improved on the gameplay and progression so much in the second
idk about this take buddy
the progression in the second game is fucked because each individual dungeon is simply far too long
there should have been more dungeons, but they were each like 15 fucking levels shorter than they are

>>713526542
i was thinking more along the lines of character progression rather than levels, having 6 characters to level when most are useless is shit design

>>713521897
>and didn't add anything to the game.
yes, it demonstrably did retard
it obviously gave you another stat you had to watch and manage, and allowed them to implement floors with status effects like thirsty, add water pools to some floors, or weapons with effects like thirst or quench, giving you a negative on some weapons you might want, and giving you a reason to level up a quench weapon to break it and transfer it to your main one
it demonstrably adds plenty of things that actualy rpgs need to keep them interesting and give you a lot of small goals to aim towards that feel good

>>713524187
It IS flawed to hell, but you people are refusing to accept this is a fucking dungeon crawler and a lot of the "flaws" being spoken about here are literal fucking staples of the god damned genre itself.
>>713524476
This fag has never once played a dungeon crawler and it shows. This isn't a JRPG. Fuck off.
>>713524618
You are so fucking retarded it's unreal.

Dark Cloud is literally babby's first Dungeon Crawler. Literally. You fags would get blown the fuck out with shit like Etrian Odyssey, Strange Journey, and let alone any fucking Wizardry game.

You're like the retards who bought the game because they thought the fucking cloth on Toan's hat were elf ears and this was a Zelda ripoff, then got fucking butt blasted it wasn't a fucking Zelda clone. You play this expecting some JRPG like all the others, and it turns out it's not.

You see enemies that actively punish you for attacking willy nilly and the game literally stops you cold to tell you about them and warn you about them, referring to using items to handle their defenses. Instead of properly planning your weapons AND inventory, you just want to go in and kill everything with no resistance whatsoever.

If you played the game like what it is, a dungeon crawler, you'd realize the game is actually pathetically fucking easy. The enemy variations are dogshit. Thirst and WHP stop being a huge issue only 10 floors into the first fucking dungeon and are the single most mild inconvenience at worst possible. Weapon inventory is way too small. Weapon progression is way too random and requires far too much investment past Stage 3s. Nothing rewards Guarding and Guarding gets you killed instead of potentially saving your ass. Guarding also costs WHP. Xiao gets invalidated by Ruby who gets invalidated by Osmond meanwhile Toan is ultimately better than Goro and Ungaga because Toan has the single highest amount of weapon variations. The amount of content is middling. There's your fucking flaws.

>>713522623
>It's objectively bad game design when it becomes a requirement to avoid losing 80%+ of your WHP from performing a single attack.
you are making shit up to whine about, zero enemies in the game cause you to lose 80% whp from a single swing lmfao. hell, no enemy in the game even takes 20% whp per swing even under the worst scenarios. blatant lies

>>713526086
I’m not gonna lie, I’m not sure where I’d want a new game to go towards in terms of mechanics. 2 is definitely on the basic end in terms of combat, but it does at least have some options like the dodges and being able to pick up and throw enemies. I do think the combat could still be improved but don’t want it to just be another souls style game.

>>713522871
1. this is your own fault for "forgetting" about a core mechanic with a meter on the screen at all times that you should be looking at every like 10 seconds
2. this is also your own fault for not strengthening your weapon correctly. do you know what solves eating whp from 20 hits on rock and metal enemies? actually giving your weapon substantial levels in metal eater and rock eater or whatever they're called. the weapons have an entire page of elements and then an entire page of enemy specific power for a reason, you are supposed to make use of them both
3. if you're a brainlet and somehow can't look at a meter, you have no excuse for not having an auto repair powder set to your quick slots for this exact scenario
anon please

>>713526853
absolutely retarded take

>>713524936
>I wish it would be that easy, his argument is to farm 2 hours to have enough items to progress the game
You don't need to do that either, you just go back to town and buy repair powders every few floors. And this is only necessary in the first dungeon, after that you have plenty of money and resources - i.e multiple characters all with multiple weapons - that you can easily clear a dungeon in one go if you wanted to even though that is not the point or design of the game. You are supposed to go back every few floors, every 10 maybe, and build the fucking town incrementally, pick up all the chests you get from doing so, then return to the dungeon.

>>713526853
>the game is actually pathetically fucking easy.
no one said it was hard though

>>713526542
The dungeons are longer but you can get through them faster because gameplay is just faster in general and your relative movement speed is increased. By the time you get to the dungeons with massive floors you should have a speedy Ridepod. You also don't get repeatedly fucked over by seals for characters you don't have built.
>>713526810
>yes, it demonstrably did retard
Nope. You're objectively wrong. If it was actually an engaging mechanic you'd have a point but it isn't. What it amounts to is "carry some water on you at all times, use shit characters for running around and every time you come to a source of water suffer through slow character swapping to get everyone back to full."
>>713526853
>This isn't a JRPG. Fuck off.
Nope. You're objectively wrong. It's an action adventure RPG first with dungeon crawler elements second.
>>713526916
Nope. You're objectively wrong. Certain attacks drain more WHP. Certain enemies drain substantially more WHP. Certain conditions cause more WHP loss. When you're in the end-game dungeons these variables can align in unpredictable ways to cause a huge portion of WHP loss faster than you can react to it. It makes it so that the safest option is to just use the broken character who deals more damage than Toan without being subjected to the numerous drawbacks of melee combat in DC1.

>>713525547
It's not in a random enemy, it's in a specific enemy type based on the dungeon and floor. You never need to kill every enemy if you understand the game, at most you need to kill every enemy of one particular monster type if you get unlucky and it's in the last one. It is usually in like 1 of 6 enemies on the floor

>>713527353
>dungeon crawler elements second
90% of the game is dungeon crawling
the other 10% is building a town to unlock more dungeon crawling

>>713527353
>Nope. You're objectively wrong.
No I am not, I am correct and you are wrong buddy. I never claimed some enemies didn't drain more whp, I said you are FUCKING LYING like a retarded little bitch by making idiotic claims like one swing can take 80% whp, which is literally impossible and not in the game -anywhere- lmfao. To break your weapon, even under the worst conditions, you have to mash AT LEAST an entire attack chain combo mindlessly without paying attention whatsoever. "muh no time to react" lmao
>well i'll just use the ranged characters
Do that then and stop whining? That is until you realize that there is no way for ranged characters to bypass blocking enemies which is why people use toan for most of them and bait them into lowering their guard whilst holding a charged special attack down and releasing it at the right time.

>>713520527
I thought her Starlight Leotard was way hotter, and it was way easier to get.

>autistic nitpicking bitch fest
it’s all so tiresome

>>713527707
>90% of the game is dungeon crawling
Nah, "dungeon crawler" implies multiple things which do not apply to Dark Cloud. It has dungeon crawler elements but they're mostly tacked on and many of them don't add much. See: the shallow thirst system and how it was removed entirely for the second because it was shallow and added nothing other than a slow waiting period as you cycled through every character each time you came to a spring.

>>713520527
>Monica isn't barefoot when wearing her bikini

Just doesn't do it for me.

>>713527875
if you want a dark cloud thread it's either this or nothing

>>713514394 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWPyysPiTVA