Thread 713515247

Switch 2 screen is considerably worse than the Switch 1 LCD screen, now confirmed by Science.

only pedophiles hate nintendo

>>713515247 (OP)
This delay is so minor it's not noticable, literal placebo shit

>>713515472
Most trannies are tendies

>>713515558
But I have never even owned a nintendo console

>>713515558
A has B but most of A is not B.

How has Nintendo been creatively bankrupt for so long yet still has the most dickriders ever? Shit's nuts.

>>713515534
>33ms average response times
>even worse than the already horrible 21ms of the shitch 1
>not noticable

>>713515737
Took people 20 years to realize blizzard was garbage and there are still some people still playing wow religiously to this day.
It's basically a consumerist cult and when someone makes that their personality and a huge part of their life it's hard to get/grow out of it;

>>713515247 (OP)
>45ms delay
literally how

>>713515247 (OP)
Is this the next shitposting campaign after all the "B-BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE AN OLED SCREEN!" shitposting has been destroyed by the HDR of the Switch 2?

>>713515558
you say this but I'm a pc gamer

>>713515931
>facts
>shitposting campaign
huh?

Ok but legitimately...and? They gave us a master class system at an affordable price so everyone could jump on even though they easily could have charged more. You didn't think there would be a (negligible to normal people) concession anywhere? If this matters so much to you just buy the OLED model later.

>>713515981
Blowing up a non-issue like with the absence of OLED

>>713515981
These facts don't support my feelings, therefore they are fake facts.

>>713515931
Any comparisons of Switch 2 HDR and OLED?

Don't worry most of the Switch audience plays slow onions games like Animal Crossing.

Those response times are more in line with what you'd expect when running 24hz lol.

onions

>Game running at a choppy unstable 20 fps
>But no, it's the response times of the 20 year old lcd screen that is the issue
Lets be honest here. Nobody can tell if the screen was slow to update, or if it was just the game lagging.

dude wtf I'm not saying onions I'm saying onions with an o. this is free speech infringement they can't do that when we have the constitution

>>713516236
This may shock you anon but it can be both.

>>713516239
WTF IS THIS SHIT??!! I'M REPORTING THIS TO TRUMP

>>713516239
onions are good for you

>>713515247 (OP)

I didn't bought it for the screen

>>713516312
But the screen was the only thing Nintendo showed before release. No battery life, no cpu, no gpu, only 1080p 120hz.

>advertises an ips panel with 1:1000 contrast ratio and zero local dimming, max 400nit brightness as hdr
>releases the slowest ips display for gaming in human history, its like bargain bin VA at black transitions except its every transition

whats wrong with nintendo, holy shit

>>713516038
>master class system
more like slave class system

>>713516782
The inbuilt HDR is a fucking crime but the ability to output HDR to your TV is great, even if they fucked up the calibration screens.

>>713516202
>s o y is still censored since about 2017
Jesus

>>713515534
>delay
This isnt about inputlag

>>713516782
>get everyone excited by announcing a 120hz screen
>response times are barely fast enough for 30hz
I love how shameless Nintendo has gotten
They are milking their paypigs for everything they've got

>>713515859
This isnt inputlag

>spend my life savings on switch 2
>pc monitor randomly starts breaking after almost 2 years
life is pain
atleast the switch won't randomly break down in 2 years, nintendo got me

>>713515931
Negativity sells. I literally can't tell the difference. I'll buy an OLED Switch 2 when it comes out but not because of this lol. I want better colors and perfect blacks

>>713517038
the being able to do HDR is always about the display tech, contrast/brightness and so on.

Why would you not be able to output hdr to a display from any device? You dont need to specifically mention it.

>>713516782
>nintendo does that thing where they release gimped product first and then sell the improved version a few years later
Yeah anon if you haven't seen the trend then you're hopeless. Just don't buy a nintendie console day 1 just wait a few yearsand wait for the inevitable oled version

>trusting AMDunboxed
lmao they will shit over the switch just because it has an nvidia chip inside

>>713517158
You don't remember the bad days when we had screens that would be labelled as HDR because they would accept a 10bit signal but in no way could actually output anything remotely HDR like in practice.

>>713517119
Yeah I mean LCD transitions.

>>713517369
they all look like shit

switch 2 bros what happened it was supposed be a great leap and close to OLED

>>713517430
You dont notice the trailing? Thats the bad part.

>>713517430
true and yet the shitch 2 still manages to look even worse

>>713517430
>60hz
Yes anon, they do.

>>713517492
Nobody can see that in real world usage.

>>713517369
Just don't play games at higher than 30 fps.

someone explain to me why the switch becomes more powerful when docked
and why dont they just sell multiple variants of the dock for even more power
i dont care much to play in handheld mode anyway

>>713517105
just wait for themore expensive revised model in 2 years

>>713517616
that one will surely be the perfect one

>>713517274
You're talking about what nintendo is literally doing rn, and the tendies go "wow this hdr screen is so much better than anything the gaming world has seen before"

>>713517584
>hes a retard

>>713517608>someone explain to me why the switch becomes more powerful when docked
Short answer is it can draw more power and as such run faster.

>>713517608
It's underclocked in handheld mode for heat and battery purposes. It has a lower screen resolution as well, there is no purpose to push it as hard.
The dock doesn't do anything special aside from allow it to stop using the battery.

>>713517584
You just know this guy here uses a VA panel

>>713515247 (OP)
>made up shit
haha, we sure got them this time!
btw, it runs at 120Hz, not 60.

>>713515247 (OP)
>more evidence that Nintendo duped millions into buying an inferior product they believed was superior because it's pretty and new
someone catch me, for I might faint from shock

>>713516038
>They gave us a master class system
It's a 1050ti with an obsolete phone CPU and a bad tablet screen in a locked down DRM infested ecosystem where you have to pay fees just to play online or play games you bought on the previous system.

>>713517736
ohh that's interesting

>>713517757
The switch uses vrr in handheld so a game like mario kart which runs at 60fps will run at 60hz

Retard

>>713515472
Where does that put me if I love Nintendo gamecube and older, but hate Nintendo wii onward?

>>713517687
hes right, this is like when sony zoomed in on a tree in the background of spidertwat and said "look, its slightly less blurred, thats $1000 for a pro please!"
literally no one notices in gameplay.

I'm not using the switch on the go, I'm using it on my fucking TV, idiot.

>>713517857
Youre a hebe

>>713517898
Better than a troon I guess

>>713517825
why are you playing a console game in handheld mode? are you a cuck with a BBC individual using your wifes TV??

>>713517890
why wouldnt you buy a device that costs the same as switch 2 but provides enough perf to run modern AAA games on your tv

>>713517875
>he thinks no one notices smearing
Lol okay then why dont you turn off your overdrive in your display or buy a VA monitor

>>713517890
cant believe how uncomfy it is to hold the switch as a handheld
people game like that?

>>713517936
people who bought switch 2 might be

>>713517736
The dock also has a fan for cooling.

>>713517890
Nintendo should just cancel the handheld mode.

>>713517936
>moves goalposts
Cute tendie

>>713517974
>"no u"
good one anon

>33ms
LMAO
Consoles really are made for retarded npc cattle. I haven't used a screen with response times that bad since 2004.

>>713518029
The fan in the dock is for cooling the dock

>>713518029
The Switch 2's does, but not the first one.

>>713518051
Yeah because I didn't buy the Switch 2

Is this your new spam material eric?

Stop laughing at nintendo Switch fans they have been through enough with joycon drift, paid tech demos, and $80 games

>>713518091
i play mario kart on my 1ms monitor
what are average response times for other handhelds?

>>713518101
anon, what the fuck do you think heat transfer is?
children understand thermodynamics of this level for fucks sake.
Ask literally any question regarding that
>why does the dock need cooling if there is no heat source on it
>if the dock is hot and needs cooling, where did the heat come from?
>why would cooling the dock cool the switch docked to it?

are you confused as to why the frying pan gets hot when placed over fire? or how the chicken gets cooked despite never touching that fire?
How does the fish in the freezer freeze if it never touches the heatsinks?

>>713518323
>what are average response times for other handhelds?
OH NO SNOY SISTERS HES ON TO US,
QUICK, ABANDON THREAD AND START A NEW SHITPOST THREAD

>>713515558
Statistically it's snoys. Cope.

>>713517105
They saw lying works for Trump so they are doing the same thing. They even have the same fanbase.

>>713518245
>muh heckin Eric

What is this mental illness?

>>713518453
oh no no no tendiebros
we should of waited for the oled model

>>713518453
that's based, i'll prob pick one up if they ever make a 2nd one
although i doubt i'd play anything where the ms matters. seems like a comfy VN machine

>>713517369
>even the fastest one looks like dog shit
So it literally don't matter.

>>713515558
>Most trannies are tendies
meanwhile, in reality...

>>713518323
Whats the benefit of it being a handheld if you need a monitor?

>>713515534
>Can't notice 2 frames of input lag
You have to be literally fucking retarded.

>>713518593
for poorfags and cucks who like to have it be handheld to not need to buy a whole seperate system like the DS?
its called options, anon.

>>713518553
60hz isn't the fastest

>shitty screen
>joy-cons can still get drift
>nintendo looking into reports of expanded batteries
>$90 controller with bad d-pad
>$80 games
>$10 tech demo
>game key cards

No refunds lol

>>713518593
to me there is almost none, i bought it for nintendo games not because it can be used as a handheld. it's why i haven't tried a steam deck either.
occasionally it's nice to play away from the PC i guess but the big majority of time i don't do that.

>>713516038
lmao

>>713518731
exact same situation for me, and every other 30yo+ PC gamer out there.

every week there is a new switch 2 issue the gift that keeps on giving

>>713518803
>and every other 30yo+ PC gamer out there
I got a deck for shits and giggles just because I could and heard good things, not really expecting to use it much, and it ended up obsoleting all my consoles and taking nearly all my time away from my desktop. I am never, ever, going back to console. If a game can't be played on pc at this point, it doesn't exist to me.

>>713518723
nintendo really vibe-coded this console launch

>>713517771
>to pay fees just to play games you bought on the previous system
What are you blabbering on about?

Excuse me wtf r u doin

Repeat after me: HDR is a meme that nobody cares about. This sloppy feature is for people with far too much money and not enough sense

>>713519146
why did nintendo advertise switch 2 as a HDR device then

>>713518974
Thats where im at, only I got the deck for the time before I moved in with the missus so I could bring PC games to her, played it docked 99% of the time too.
its not just that I dont care about console anymore (which I dont) its that all the "GOTY 10/10 must play!!" games are... well shit?
its funny laughing about them coming to PC, but the reality is I never intended to play spiderman, horizon, dad of bore etc anyway because theyre just slop, "10/10" slop is still slop.

I did consider getting some rad glasses with screens in them to play the 'eck in 'ed too, viture IIRC.

>>713516038
input lag in current year is unacceptable. kill yourself

>>713519101
context?

>>713519246
>input lag in current year is unacceptable. kill yourself
PC trannies disagree, they love 300ms of input lag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqMqeuwxwVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqMqeuwxwVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqMqeuwxwVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqMqeuwxwVg

>>713519403
Colour temperature. The common standard is 6500k so the switch 1 and 2 are much colder.

>>713519434
>deflection
as always tendietrannies are despicable
input lag is a blight and no platform should have it

>>713519434
>>713519246
this thread isn't about input lag you single digit IQ retards

>>713519434
people constantly complain about games with lag in hope that the studios fix it

>>713519146
Nice hot take pablo.

>>713519434
>shit software
>UUMMM ACTUALLY IT'S HARDWARE ISSUE OKAY???

>>713519485
>>713519490
>>713519532
>>713519589
>PC trannies are seething

>>713519190
Because it's a dumb thing you can say to make it seem like it's worth more money.
Like blast processing

>>713517056
>Still saying soi in the big 25.
ngmi.

>>713519658
exactly

>>713519658
its basically grounds for class action lawsuit
>heres your HDR device bro, we spent a lot of time and money making it HDR
>okay heres a lot of money, now lets turn on hdr and enjoy HDR media on switch 2 with incredibly dynamic range with incredible popping bright highlights at the same time other parts of the screen are pitch black :

It's getting really hard to tell if all the posts defending this are ironic or not

>>713516038
Jesus, they didn't give you anything, you paid for it. You guys are legit mentally unsound, even calling a PS4 with DLSS in 2025 a master class system.

>>713520332
it paints amd in pretty poor light how they opted not to make a dlss alternative until 2025
now you need fsr4 soc from amd before they can compete with nvidia who barely even tries. The switch 2 chip was aimed at car makers or something silly like that.

>>713519490
yes it is. input lag measures how long it takes until you see changes reflected on-screen after pressing a button. it includes display lag
you're a corpo cuck shill

Switch 2 is for a broad base of casual gamers. Nintendo just doesn't give a F on the 1% hardcore neckbeard gamers that gets off on response time measurements.

They print money by NOT catering to hardcore gamers.

>>713518723
>No refunds lol
that too

>>713520524
you say that but casuals like cheap things and switch 2 and its games are not that

It's absolutely luck based. My switch 2 has absolutely NO noticeable blur at all.

>>713520705
let me guess, you wear glasses and you think you can be a measuring stick for this shit

>>713515247 (OP)
uh I don't care
I'm buying an S95F for Bananza

>>713520705
now try sonic mania on it

Switch 2 could've been:
OLED, actual hdr and fast pixel response
Hall effect or some other resistant to wear joystick
6nm soc for much improved battery life
hard glass screen protector to prevent scratches
games cost 70€, god knows nintendos AA budget games dont deserve a 90€ price tag for a physical copy
include 1tb nvme inside

Idk, if everything has to be a compromise when with small increase in price you'd get big increase in quality whats the point.

>>713520441
If you believe dlss works. then fsr also works.

>>713515247 (OP)
b2b
>14.2 Typical IPS
>51.9 Switch2 IPS
>34.6 Switch1 IPS
g2g is even worse
how?

Wait, you telling me a NEW Switch 2 LCD screen has better colours than a 3-year old SteamDeck LCD?.... What a shocker!.......

>>713515472
Every Nintendo thread is pedophiles oogling cartoon children

>>713521375
how can this generate so many artifacts?
shouldn't every non fake frame clean up this mess

How do you filter these threads in 4chan X?
[^] literally blocks every thread.

>>713520537
How did valve get sued years ago for their lack of refunds, but nintendo gets a pass?

>>713515247 (OP)
Whoever cares so much about the screen and playing in handheld is such a fucking loser. It has a dock and displays on a TV. Use it you weird handheld cunts.

>>713519739
>all you need
>RGB
the human eye can only see 3 colors
imagine falling for this scam

>>713522038
What do you think that chart is showing anon? It is only RGB.

>>713522017
Can I buy it without the screen?

>>713517369
Are the 120Hz any better? Post them if you have them.

a lot of people would save a lot of money not having to buy garbage hardware if nintendo just released their games as multiplats

>>713522197
Honeslty Nintendo should have released a version like that.

>>713522278
He didn't test 120hz. Not that it would really matter a huge deal as the panel isn't fast enough for 60hz. Hell even if we too ka linear 120hz gives half the response times at 60hz it would STILL be worse than the 60hz IPS monitor used in that comparison.

>>713522125
I don't know what you are seeing

>>713521216
it would cost $800 with all that

>>713520481
which the switch 2 has no noticeable delay.
I was bing bang wahooing in sunshine all weekend and never once did I fail a jump or triple jump, and the timing on those is pretty narrow, half a second of input lag would INSTANTLY be noticeable.
So this is all just lies and falsehoods, funny thing is if you actually go to OPs dumb source, they praise the shit out of the switch LCD and give it an A, and a B+ for competitive shooters... but you left that out as it doesnt fit the narrative

>>713522486
Based anon who has never seen green.

>>713522017
>Why are people playing the HANDHELD console in Handheld mode???
You're the weirdo here not even using half the console's functionality lol. If you wanted just a plug in the TV box there's other consoles for that

>>713522534
>So this is all just lies and falsehoods, funny thing is if you actually go to OPs dumb source, they praise the shit out of the switch LCD and give it an A, and a B+ for competitive shooters... but you left that out as it doesnt fit the narrative
I don't know why someone would do that, go on the internet and tell lies.

>>713522498
how so, nintendo subsidizes the cost with software sales
SD oled isnt that expensive and nintendo gets cheaper bulk prices thanks to the volume of units they move and we're in the future now so they're cheaper than SD components when it launched.

>>713515247 (OP)
Meanwhile...

>>713515247 (OP)
>Switch 2 screen is considerably worse than the Switch 1 LCD screen
It's worse in terms of response time but better in every other regard.
You don't need to lie, OP. The screen still sucks without your fibs.

>>713515247 (OP)
>worse than the Switch 1 LCD
HAHAHAHAHA tendies are worse than applefags
They will literally eat shit straight out of big N asshole.

Switch 2 uses Samsung 8nm which is actually 10nm

>>713515859
45ms of motion blur

>>713522742
AIE NO SNOY SISTERS WE HAVE BEEN DEFEATED WITH EVIDENCE NOOO!

>>713522742
top looks better

>>713515247 (OP)
>all these retards ITT who don't understand what pixel response times are, but argue about it anyway
are you stupid?

>>713522742
Now lets see it in motion

>>713522614
Why would you not want to play the games on a big tv with a nice controller in your hand instead of on a small screen and your hands cramped around the console?

Just really gay. Handheld is overrated as fuck.

>>713523360
But you tendies always brag about your tablet being HANDHELD hence superior to PC and PS.

>>713523456
learn to read sarcasm dummy

>>713523573
No, plus sarcasm is retarded.
t.German

>>713522017
>pay the handheld performance tax only to play docked
just emulate

>>713515247 (OP)
>same people posting about this are the same people who would complain about or shill 120hz refresh rate monitors
Imagine giving a single shit about a childrens toy. Imagine seething for the next 10 years about a childrens toy.
Imagine not having a childrens toy and others having it live rent free in your prefrontal cortex determining your response to the most mundane posts for the next decade.

I seriously hope you guys do not

>>713515247 (OP)
In your previous thread >>713506729 you claimed it has 17.6ms a average response time.
Seems you yourself can't "confirm" the actual value

>>713523703
So you are admitting the Switch is for kids, and this is a 18+ site so stop discussing it on here?

>>713515247 (OP)
After the Switch 1, anyone not retarded or prone to FOMO is waiting for a revision if they care about handheld mode.

>>713523895
even SD tricked people into buying the bad lcd screen by pretending they werent gonna release a revision

>>713523960
And Deckies ridiculed Switch OLED then lapped up Deck OLED lmoe

>>713515247 (OP)
>can't even reach 30Hz compliance
Well it doesn't matter considering most games will be running at sub 30fps kek

>>713515247 (OP)
>People playing for weeks normally without compains
>Suddenly it's gamebreaking
Sony is really trying.

>>713523960
The Deck is mirroring the Switch a bit
>initial model comes out
>oled revision
>doesn't matter because people are waiting for the next console now instead
If the Deck 2 doesn't have an OLED model at the start, then it'd basically be a 1:1.

maybe the folk at nintendo really hate judder when watching anime panning scenes on their oled tvs and decided natural motion smoothing was the best choice for switch 2's 20 fps games

>>713515247 (OP)
>What if we add motion blur on top of LCD blur
>You are hired!

>>713523960
Valve couldn't find better screen manufacturer when they was making SD because they all thought it would flop.

>>713522197
Holy shit why isn't this a thing actually.

>>713522742
>anon discovered the difference between srgb and dci-p3
The best bit is switch 2 is displaying that incorrectly to source material.

>>713522742
OP BTFO

Watching brownoids try to talk about tech is draining.
You guys make /vt/umors look intelligent.

omg NOBODY CARES YOU AUTISTS

>>713524605
most of the difference there comes from switch 1 diarrhea tier reflection handling

>>713524605
>Switch 2 looking better means it's bad.

4chan, not even once.

>>713524679
>omg NOBODY CARES YOU AUTISTS
*thread hits bump limit*

>>713524697
Again >>713523086

>>713524697
It is okay to say you don't understand anon. Switch 2 doesn't clamp switch 1 games to the correct colour space so all you are doing is blasting saturation for content not designed for said colour space. This is ENB tier shit.

>>713524748
You realize that people have been playing weeks now without complains right? Just youtube any video and you'll get your answer.
This is just some sony tier shill campaign, it literally means nothing to the end user

>>713521989
Subject filter:
/\[.*\]/i;boards:v;op:only

>>713523086
>Now lets see it in motion

Dude, you cannot visibly see these imperfections you claim. You're posting graphs and microscopic video breakdowns with the footage slowed down 70% and zoomed in.

Kek seek help because your ass is getting raped by Nintendo for another 8 years.

And if Nintendo releases a deluxe OLED 10" Switch 2 in 2028, I'll buy that too.

>>713524859
>without complains
just like joycon drifts amirite?

>>713524821
>its not meant to look better!

>>713524990
no because people do complain about that. It's crazy how mad you are at the switch 2's success, OP

>>713524986
the digital foundry review has motion comparison but I cba download some 2h video for /v/ shitposters

>>713524990
Yes because that's a different issue retard.

>>713515247 (OP)
lol that's 2004 LCD tier
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/8j34r0278tpu830laplx3/ALR2w2qOumyvnf4sEyoMRhg?rlkey=tzun2pcu2i3m80ndsfq7lb1ia&e=1&dl=0

>>713515247 (OP)
It's fine tendies have no standards anyway.

>>713524697
NTA but your Switch 1's buttons also appear to be less black than Switch 2. Can you switch their positions to make sure it's not environment lighting?

>>713525058
I am not OP. Stop projecting.

>>713525095
Debunked by anon's eyes>>713524986

>>713525095
DELETE THIS

>pirat nation makes a tweet about something
>instantly threads keep popping up about it

>>713525343
how ironic.

Nintendies will never ever ever accept any criticism of their sacred cow because they're fully converted cultists with no other personality. They don't just like Nintendo games, they worship Nintendo itself.

>>713522278
>>713522467
We can just look at OLEDs, which a screen as small as the Switch's really should be.

>>713525095
>n-nani?!

>>713525095
>>713525095
Just to humor you I went through basically every video and its pretty much impossible to tell without slowing down. Who cares?

>>713515247 (OP)
It's better, it looks and feels better therefore it is better. I played welcome tour and Nintendo told me it was necessary because the screen is paper thin. This is just necessary for the greatness that is the best console of all time

>713525770
>least transparent falseflag attempt

>>713525057
I made it even better lol

>>713515247 (OP)
[GUT-WRENCHING NEWS]
NOBODY CARES.
Seriously, that's the real gut punch.

>>713524986
>Dude, you cannot visibly see these imperfections you claim

>>713525837
Is this supposed to be impressive? The game looks way better on my game boy

>>713525837
not gonna lie it looks better on my psp with scanlines, and no idgaf about sony after ps2

>>713525837
Can you address this?>>713525150

>>713525095
kek Nintendo just knows retards will buy whatever they shit out

>>713515247 (OP)
>never undock it because i don't need to play videogames in public like a manchild
problem solved

>>713525895
>clickbait

Can you seethe any harder XD

>>713525919
>>713525941
>>713525964
ENHANCE

>>713525095
You went through too much effort to rove the screen is bad

>>713525964
there's nothing to address he clearly put the switch 1 where there's more light and made a fool of himself

>>713526050
the fuck is this clown vomit?

>>713526050
nooooo the Switch 2 is supposed to look worse!!!

>>713525895
thats one source of information, digital foundry review, repeated across the internet with some sparse anectodes of switch 1 & 2 owners complaining how bad it looks

>>713525150
>>713526056
>it-it's the light glare!!

I took photos at night in the dark too

>>713515534
>Two whole frames of delay (or 4 on a 120hz game)
>not noticeable
lol, lmao

>>713523849
are you trying to argue that videogames or videogame consoles are not simply sophisticated childrens toys. desgined for a manchild or otherwise?

>>713526354
It isn't for normal people and you only notice it if you go out of your way to look for it
You're just upset you can't afford it lol

>>713526124
Switch 2 looking much better retard.

>>713526241
NOOOOOO WHAT THE FUCK SONYSLUTS WE'RE GETTING RAPED!!

RENDEZVOUS AT THE DISCORD!!

I wish they would sell me a docked-only version at a discount. Since I'm not an incel I've never made use of the portability feature. Gaming is something you do in the privacy of your own home on your couch or at your gaming station.

>>713517369
Where's the Switch OLED? And the Vita for laughs?

>>713526241
>not in game
>black is now the same grey
>can literally see game title ghosting
it's so over

i mean it's the least priced console made from fucking nintendo that cheaps out since 2006, what did people expect? the real issue is consoles on the whole suck ass and have nothing special in them unlike the 90s, now we're either talking pc clones or android clones where the games are exclusives literally because they are closed source, they would probably build on PC first try given how everything is the fucking same.shitty ecosystem today be it ARM or amd64

>>713524859
Plenty of people with functioning eyes have complained tendie boy

>>713526050
Mogged by game boy

>>713515247 (OP)
Nintendo always uses the cheapest parts to appease its loyal customers. kek

Anyway, there is no reason to even buy a Switch 2 until there is an OLED version.

>>713526491
This will be a very tough next seven years for you so make sure to take breaks from all the seething and crying

>>713526241
yeah exactly, it literally looks the same
>>713526419
ok you got me that's funny

>>713526491
>blacks are blacker on Switch 2 than OLED

YA GOT RAPED

>>713526365
They are the most important artform to ever exist

>>713515247 (OP)
Based on my search for monitors that are good for both digital art and gaming, it seems to me that Nintendo opted for art over gameplay.
If I had to guess why they chose such a stupidly bad screen for video games, I'd say it's because they didn't want the image quality to be much worse than the Switch 1 OLED. You can push IPS to good image quality, but the price you pay is a screen that's really not suitable for gaming.
OLED maintains good image quality and absurdly fast response times, so there you have the decent solution, with the problem of being very expensive (and having unsolvable flickering with frame rate variation, which to me just proves that OLED isn't really for gaming).

>>713526241
looking at the shadow you still put the switch 1 near the light though

>>713526593
The screen is also insanely thin compared to the first switch models I don't know if that has anything to do with it. It had to be made thin to fit everything inside apparently

>>713526241
Again, boot up ToTK and start moving the camera tendie boy.

>>713526572
I am not the one buying Switch 2 though

>>713526686
Oh I know, but with each million you're going to continue losing your sanity. I assume it was already pretty bad with the original Switch, I can't imagine it with this one. Oh boy.

>>713526593
the flickering in OLEDs is only a thing with variable refresh rates, not variable frame rates. it's caused by stuff like g-sync . you can clock the screen at 60 or 120hz (which nintendo does anyways) and even with dips there wouldn't be any flickering, you'd just get your typical choppy experience instead.
that said frame rate drops prove modern engine techniques aren't really for gaming, not the devices themselves. CRTs have a lot of flicker too and they're still the best.

>>713515737
This is the negative effects of appealing to children.
Nintendo, Disney, McDonald’s, etc. all appealed to kids and it had a drastically negative effect on them when they grew up.

>>713526894
But you are the one posting sales non-stop?

>>713527315
Take your meds, holy shit man

>>713515247 (OP)
That explains why i can't react for shit when im playing SF6 handheld when compared to it being docked to my gaming oled.

>>713527005
>this is the negative effects
Why are the anti-nintendo posters always ESL's? Surely it couldn't be resentment because they can't afford the console and there's no emulator. That'd be too pathetic...

People really latching on to this whole "LE SCREEN IS BAD!!" aren't they. Numbers are a religion to these people

NAAAaAA RaktiM BiggY!

>dlss
>motion blur
>slow screen
Yup, it is vaseline time!

>>713527363
I am not the one defending multibillion company with fake comparison though

It's a feature, not a flaw.
#Pixelgate25

>>713527545
>numbers are a religion to this people
No shit, where do you think you are, every single Switch 2 shitpost that is either pro or against it has been all about numbers.

Switch 1 isn't just faster, it destroys Switch 2 in terms of speed when changing the color of pixels.

>>713528614
see >>713524679

60fps is 60fps and no amount of pc lard technobabble will change that.
>dude its 60fps but actually 30fps!!!!1111one

>>713529957
this discussion seems to go far beyond your cognitive abilities

tendies sure do care about glorifying switch 2 specs, until they don't

>>713530062
Their bible tells them to do this with everything.
>Specs matter... until they don't.
>Sales matter... until they don't.
>Review scores matter... until they don't.
>The number of games matters...

>>713515534
It’s like playing at 30fps with that type of lag.

>noooo graphics don't matter performance doesn't matter visuals don't matter all that matters is le heckin Nintendo Magic™
>wow Tears of the Kingdom looks so good at 4K 60fps it's like a completely different game Switch 2 is incredible!

>>713515534
>response time that can barely handle 30hz is not noticeable
blind

if conserving energy was so mega important they're willingly to put out that pixel response to gamers why not just bite the bullet and go with oled

its baffling

>>713519246
Sadly, input lag IS the standard in current year.

>>713532146
because that's not important
what's important is unit sales because nintendo makes bank off that shit

>>713532496
all modern LCD have better response time and the only explanation is not using any overdrive due to energy constraints

>>713515534
33.3ms is 30 fps

>>713515247 (OP)
Lol that's what you get for being early adopters.

>>713532146
nintendo makes a good profit on console they sell, so they'll cheap out on literally everything. It's what they're known to do since they stopped competing on specs.

>>713521885
DLSS is not frame generation. DLSS is upscaling. What that webm is showing is raytracing being a fucking dogshit meme "technology"

>>713518630
>Can't notice 2 frames of input lag
>You have to be literally fucking retarded.
>dosnt know that response time is how fast a pixel can change color
A retard is you, anon.

>>713533083
at some point in the being jewish scale your retard prey starts to notice "hey, am I being scammed?" and you would make more money by not scamming people

It being widely know your device has literally the worst screen in the market is going to turn buyers off and you can avoid that by not being literally the worst. Jew less hard.

>>713515534
wouldn't it make the motion clarity shitty?
I'm genuinely shocked nintendo fucked up this bad. Glad I didn't get one.

>>713533494
It does, see >>713525095

>>713515247 (OP)
I TOLD YOU ALL AND YOU CALLED ME A SONY SHILL.
I EVEN TOLD REDDIT AND THEY CALLED ME A SONY SHILL
I was right.
The screen sucks man. I'm playing pokemon right now and like if you have a static cutscenes background, and a person even moves a finger, that blurs.
You dont need to go fast for shit too blur.

>>713515534
>minor delay
>the screen is PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE of displaying 60 frames per second because by the time it has shown the next frame (33.3ms) it's two frames behind (each frame is 16.67ms)
nintensissies...

>>713515247 (OP)
>now confirmed by Science
Cringe. I'm going with my intuition (it says wallet remains closed)

>>713522742
s2 has better glare handling than s1/oled;
s2 also has a MUCH more saturated color profile, like samsung used to do in their amoleds
saturated !== better color reproduction

>>713533569
fuckin hell

>>713526591
the most important? so art has become completely commodified as a tangible product to be bought and sold? it's no longer something made to evoke a feeling but only cost money and generate profit? I'm just trying to keep up with you here.

>>713526050
yo holy shit anon you got the switch 2 oled??? those colors look so vivid!!

>>713526591
i feel like more traditional artforms have shaped societies for the better. How long have video games been around and you all act like savages.
shut it DOWN

That's why I never buy Nintendo consoles on release, they always need revisions to fix their fuckups.

>>713515534
The 80's called.
They want their electronic lcd games back

>>713532563
Even without overdrive, LCD screens tend to be much faster than the Switch 2 screen. And that includes monitors focused on office work, digital art, etc.
For example, there is the "Pro Art" series of monitors from Asus that tries to focus on image quality for artists and such, and according to review sites, they are not really considered for gaming because of their abysmal response time, and even these monitors WITHOUT FUCKING OVERDRIVE will still have much faster response times than the Switch 2.
The fact that the Switch 2's screen is so absurdly unsuitable for gaming is that Nintendo knows that image quality impresses the ultra-casual more than motion clarity (especially on a device that will focus on 30fps for most of its useful life).

If anon knew what XCR was it would shatter their world view.

>>713527439
>can’t react due to pixel response times
This isn’t input lag. you can’t react because you’re bad at the game, not because of the screen.

>>713526241
AIEEEEEE

>>713517608
The same reason a laptop (by default) will run faster when it's plugged in vs on battery.

>>713526241
holy tendy cope

>>713515247 (OP)
I genuinely think there is some screen lottery going on. There are people that can't notice difference even watching the videos and comparing with their system and people that can see the ghosting. Wish we knew something about who made the screens more. Probably from more than one manufacturer. Also weird how nobody noticed anything until digital cuckery video...

It's good enough to play bing bing wahoo for toddlers, it's not like shitch has actual games.

>>713534336
the entire industry relies on digital foundry to state what the reality is

>>713534336
People have been reporting this for a while. But yeah, could be a thing, chink manufacturers do that with their phones all the time to save money.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/1l4il1o/the_concerns_some_are_raising_about_the_quality/
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/1l6gtrl/the_switch_2_screen_has_poor_response_time/

>>713515247 (OP)
All the games I've been running have been exceptional, 0ms

>>713532146
Because nobody is using OLED with HDR and VRR in handhelds? It doesn't seem to work well.

>>713534336
Many people noticed it immediately, but what happens is that the human brain is extremely good at adapting to these things.
Not surprisingly, the first to notice the problems were those who had the Switch 1 OLED and tried to play the same Switch 1 games on the Switch 2. The contrast makes it easy to notice that there is a huge difference, and that the Switch 2 screen is awful.
For me, the biggest problem is that it's worse than the Switch 1 LCD screen. Keep in mind that the Switch 1 screen is already terrible, but if you only play on it, it won't be a deal breaker. The Switch 1 isn't known for having many games that run at 60fps in handheld mode, most games already run like crap so motion clarity isn't really an issue. But now you have the chance to play the same games at 60fps (maybe even 120fps with patches), and it was time for the screen to be more capable of motion clarity. But Nintendo built a worse screen, actually 50% worse. It's insane.

Yeah the screen sucks but they knew normies wouldn't give a shit so here we are

Stop talking about input lag already, pixel response times have nothing to do with it.

how does this affect
>it doesn't
oh okay

>>713535076
you can't expect the brown hordes of /v/ to know that

Nintendo using older and/or sub par tech for their first iteration of console launch is nothing new. They always come out with marginally improved versions with modern tech (e.g. OLED) every other year to boost sales.

>yup… looks like 480p
So funny how Digital Foundry was pushed from the entire industry for this

>>713535196
yes but the screen is even worse than the switch 1

>>713533940
one day we may look back at videogames in the same way we did opium dens. Trillions of man hours lost with people who could have solved a lot of real world problems but applied all their attention and time to squeezing out a little more DPS or shaving seconds off a speed run.

>>713525095
thats fucking nauseating thank you guys for beta testing unironically
also your voice reminds me of a small-ish twitch streamer

>>713534241
fix'd

Fast RMX or whatever it is called looks like a texture pack for wipeout fusion.

>>713533457
tendies are a cult, they'll defend Nintendo no matter what. Putting a bunch of Business CEOS in charge, it's obvious that this would happen & they don't even bother with PR anyone.

>>713533660
>60fps
that's for docked mode dumb dumb.

>>713515247 (OP)
Doesn't affect me as a docked only player so who cares

>>713537048
you're the reason why the entire global west is going to shit

>>713533980
They jerk store called.
They want YOU back!

My Switch 2 spends 95% of the time in docked mode so I don't care that much about the actual display. I care more about running my games at 4K60 with HDR, which the Switch 2 is perfectly capable of on my TV

>>713537510
good thing I live in Taiwan then

>>713539375
the only number tendies believe are sales numbers lmao

>>713515247 (OP)
Why can't moneyfags comprehend that buying a device for 499 USD won't ever compare to spending 8000 dollars on a fucking TV.

>>713539642
based big mac enjoyer

>>713515247 (OP)
You don't need high response time to play the bing bing wahoo trash that's the main seller of the game. Especially not if you're using it in handheld mode.
t. haven't owned a nintendo product since the gamecube

>>713515247 (OP)
>pay more for less
i'd love to see nintendo get hit with some lawsuit and get forced into releasing multiplat just because of how bad the native experience really is

>>713540578
It's not input delay. It's screen response time i.e. how long does it take for a pixel to change color.

WORST DISPLAY IN ANY CONSUMER DEVICES EVER TESTED


Congratulations Nintendo fans!

>>713540578
Yes, they just wanted to be nostalgic about smeary gameboy display.

>>713540997
Hold on now anon, the virtual boy exists.

>>713515247 (OP)
This is kind of embarrassing. This means that the Switch 2 will have the motion clarity of a 30 Hz screen, even though it's capable of 120 (or 60, in this test) Hz. This >>713517369 shows it being genuinely worse than the Switch 1 LCD in real motion.

>>713534336
Very likely. Are there teardowns? The panel mfgr should be clearly stamped on the screen. Nintendo is not like Apple who can buy single-sourced components for everything. I'd guess that there's a shoddy supplier short shrifting the spec. Nintendo: use some of that legal money to go after these guys!

>>713540827
I understand what response time is, my point stands, you genuinely don't need it to play most of the games Nintendo puts out. They're half a step up from being made for mentally retarded quadruplegics.

>>713541178
>I'd guess that there's a shoddy supplier short shrifting the spec.
Orrrrrrrrrrrr they use a slow panel because a slow panel is energy efficient and every watt matters when they also cheaped out on the battery. I legit wouldn't be surprised if the switch 2 has low polling rate on the joycons just to help with battery life as well.

>>713515247 (OP)
wait for the OLED model for a better screen and better battery life. it might even have games by then too

At least this COULD be fixed (or at least, reduced to meaningful degree) with a firmware update that gives the option to enable overdrive but they probably fucking won't and if they do it'll take years for anything to happen.

While as a pc owner Im not in the market for a ps4 level handheld at this point I wouldnt even rec switch 2 as a gift to little kids
its just going to cause them headaches with the garbage screen

>>713515247 (OP)
IT IS OK WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT!

>>713541857
no, overdrive on a shitty display will just a create a worse problem

>>713541470
There's quite a bit of variability in the test results. Here's one with "only" 17 ms (!) combined input lag+response time, of which only about 8 ms is actual response times, which corresponds exactly to 120 fps/Hz, as the panel should have.

If DF found 33 ms in just response times, I'd like to see their teardown.

>>713517369
OOOFFFF

>>713541983
>>713541470
Forgot pic

>>713534336
>Also weird how nobody noticed anything until digital cuckery video...
I noticed it immediately when I was just scrolling through games on the home screen. It sticks out like a sore thumb on any kind of lateral movement. Go play Super Mario Bros on NSO on it and you'll REALLY see it.

How does he keep getting away with it!?

>>713541983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB67B8LCorI

The OP pic is from monitors unboxed
the excact ms results depend on the specific methodology used to measure it so you mostly use same methodology from same reviewer to evaluate relative change between 2 displays

DF did take some video and complained how it felt to use it on their review

>>713515247 (OP)
>33ms
My chinkshit phone has a tenth of that and is an actual AMOLED, holy ghosting

>>713522778
It’s dirt cheap to make, that’s why Nintendo can afford to buy a pile of outdated crap and still overcharge the suckers.

>>713515534
they hated him because he spoke the truth

>>713542232
>38k views
>1.2k comments
huh?

Also consider DF don't test displays which is why their talks on it are just "feels bad man" whereas monitors unboxed has some hard data.

>>713542361
It is their smaller second channel.

>>713522778
There's quite a bit of IPR hazard when back/forward porting architectures to different litho companies. Samsung did Ampere with Nvidia, so moving it over to TSMC or (lol) Intel was never going to happen, much less Nintendo willingly eating the cost of the re-design. This is why all the "could it be 5nm?" rumours were obvious bullshit from the start.

>>713515247 (OP)
Look man, 33.3 ms GtG is not perfect, but it's acceptable on a handheld console. The Switch 2 panel gets the job done, it really isn't bad at all. Some more autistic minded folks will notice sure, but the display is more than adequate for the average gamer.

My low end smartphone has an IPS LCD with 36 ms GtG and honestly it's always looked great to me. I don't doubt a minority of people will be bothered by ghosting, but most people won't notice or care.

>Nintendo hard gimping their launch model with outdated silicon and poor display and selling it for a fat profit (look at Japanese pricing)
>knowing for a FACT the Nintendo cultists are going to double dip the eventual OLED revision anyway
You know what? I can't be mad at them, good job Jewtendo, milk the fuck out of your captive market.

>>713542501
it's 50% worse than the Switch 1.
How on earth can you justify that?

>33ms
Wow the motion blur is so cinematic!
It's just like I'm watching one of my favorite marvel movies!

>120hz screen*

>*response times morel ike 40hz but who will notice tee hee

>>713542616
The display is better at everything than the Switch 1 LCD, except latency. Thing is latency was already "atrocious" for display enthusiasts like the one in OP, so it's not like this matters. The average person is not going to notice the display latency being worse.
The Switch OLED panel however is better than the Switch 2 LCD in everything that isn't brightness, resolution or refresh rate.

>>713542785
yeah the 120hz wont have an advantage for games that use from the slow pixel transitions trailing behind

It's genuinely confusing how this is the released product.

Very organic.

>>713542886
oled gives a higher perceived brightness than lcd at the same luminance values which is why just saying a given screen gets to N value nits is not telling the whole story.

>>713543005
Yeah FUCK people for discussing the biggest release of the year. If it isn't 100% positive it must be some sort of conspiracy!!!1111one

>>713515534
fpbp
if 30ms delay is a deal killer you wouldn't want to play any online game ever

>>713515247 (OP)
>2020s Nintendo product not good.
WAOW

Guess now it makes sense why cp runs at 20 fps on switch 2, its pushing the displays capabilities to its limits.

>>713543182
>screen quality= connection quality
low iq tendie
you're shilling for the worst screen of the decade

>>713515247 (OP)
Thanks Nintendo for 90-00s tier LCD lag lol
How fucking hilarious it's worse than the fucking switch 1

>>713536343
What? Everything runs at 60 atm. Its really bad :(

>>713542361
Its monitor autism.
I also have screen autism(thanks dad), monitor's unboxed is the only legit monitor review channel/source.
He debunked all the false 1ms monitor bullshit and proofed that all monitors lied about the response time they put on the box.
We've had decades of 1ms claiming monitors and its only since oled that we reach those numbers.

>>713544096
>monitor's unboxed is the only legit monitor review channel/source.
RTings and TFTCentral are legit.

>>713515247 (OP)
>playing your switch in handheld mode
lol

>>713543005
Anon, its legit something worth bitching about. Every other handheld has a better screen, even much older once.
The hdr is fake, the response time is too slow to do 60 legit, yet they sell it as a 120hz screen.
I got one day one and I still use my Oled switch more then my switch 2 because of the screen. Its a big deal that the biggesr feature is shit in a portable device
>but I hook it up to my tv
I also have it hooked up to my oled tv, but then we get to the fact that for a home console, 450 bucks is too much for what you're getting. For an hybrid is a good price, but like you can get a series x used for 300 bucks and that destroys it in the tv use area.

Let me put it like this, if I knew the screen was this shit pre launch, I wouldnt have bought one.

>>713544351
>pays the handheld tax only to not use it

>>713544437
>acknowledges the loss in performance from it being a handheld
>agrees to compromise the quality even further so he can play bing bong wahoo games in public
lmao

>>713544437
Who are you quoting? And the switch 2 is cheaper than any other console in the same gen. It's more of a handheld discount, really.

>>713544620
Nonsense.
Its 10% cheaper for 60% less performance

Didn't read the thread, but modern "low power" IPS screens are a huge letdown. Contrast and brightness are getting better over time okay, but ghosting is terrible even on high end laptops.

>>713517369
the alien is ugly anyway, dont need to see him. I trust nintendo to know what they are doing over an AMD shill pootuber

>>713541956
Yes. Overdrive will degrade the image, so it's always best to use the most subtle setting possible. On my monitor, for example, anything other than “picture quality” (i.e., the most subtle overdrive here) makes all moving images look terrible. It's WORSE than just a longer response time.
The fact is that Nintendo has opted for more attractive image quality for casual ultra-turbo normalfags, who are its target audience, at the expense of better motion clarity. The same company that will charge $80 for low-budget games is the one charging $450 for devices assembled with low-quality parts. Nothing new here. Consumers are paying for the brand.

>>713544908
you have ips monitors that push 2ms response times
30+ ms is ridiculous and unacceptable

>>713544286
Well, we are at a point, where device manufacturers send out review copies with better screens, but what you can buy likely has a worse one. Lenovo does it with laptops, where the same model number can conveniently come with IPS panels from different suppliers.

>>713533804
kek what a cope

>>713518591
All this tells you is playstation fans are retarded, black and porn addicts, meanwhile you search shit like splatoon and one of the results is egg_irl which is literally a tranny subreddit.

>>713545485
so both nintrannies and snoys are degenerate freaks?
gotcha.

>>713524697
is that a switch oled? my switch has way bigger bezels, not sure if older model or not

>>713531287
dont they already play like that thoughever?

>>713549339
Problem is VRR LCDs without variable overdrive get slower the lower the framerate they are outputting. A switch 2 running at 30hz is going to have more ghosting than your typical casper film.

>>713534865
That's because both HDR and VRR are massive fucking memes and even Nintendo's developers themselves know this. They don't make games with HDR in mind, it's just an ugly and thoughtless concession they came to due to the hybrid thing they wanted to do.
The HDR on the screen is piss poor btw.

>>713534241
>Trans
It's over

>>713522742
Shit, wasn't expecting somebody to actually show reality instead of a digital foundry infographic.

Nintendo has been garbage ever since the GameCube, which was a loved console by the core fans, including myself. Doesn't matter if it under-performed in their eyes. Ever since then, Nintendo has had fans that are a mixture of Apple cult loyalist and man-children. Really nasty manchildren. It is no surprise that they back this badly designed hardware which will play the same garbage badly coded games that do not iterate in it's genre. The console will sell, which will be nothing but the obvious sign which we all know, the gamers support being cucked out of their money and will remain manbabies.

>>713550324
>thread about pixel response time
>countered with a still image
never change retartendies

>>713518481
Most delusional post of the day. Also no overlap, this why it's even more delusional than usual.

>>713518340
This guy is a retard

Snoys used to be the most annoying people on this website but now it's tendies. What happened?

Oh wow oh boy I sure can’t wait for this same fucking thread to be posted every hour for the next two weeks.

Just like the “Switch 2 controllers are gonna snap off!,” “Joy-Con 2’s are already drifting!,” and all the other discord raid-of-the-week threads we’ve had for the last five fucking months.

>>713551941
their arch enemies have gone multiplat
so they're left fighting against a platform that has absorbed every single console and plays their games better
and they can't find any leg up over them so they've been driven completely fucking mad and left circlejerking sales numbers over the deck

LEAVE NINTENDO ALOOOOOOOOOONE

https://gameinfinitus.com/news/sony-faces-class-action-lawsuit-in-the-netherlands-over-alleged-inflation-of-playstation-digital-prices/
I wonder what got OP seething this time?

>>713552849
>thread about nintendo switch 2
>BUT WHAT ABOUT SONY. DAMN I HATE SONY, THEY ARE ALWAYS BEHIND IT ALL

>>713547145
yes but this isnt news to anyone

Is the Switch 2's nvidia gpu the one thing that will prevent its emulation on the steam deck?

>>713553691
the OS is using the linux kernel i think so probably not a huge issue, most likely the fact that this time its a custom processor and not something off the shelf, the instruction set just keeps getting worse, and they also probably added a lot of crap to be able to emulate the switch 1.
hopefully the scene focuses more on modding the console since the OS will be very likely insecure being made for games on the network whatever ASLR they think it's gonna protect it