Do controllers need more buttons? Even outside of FPS where you don't want to use face buttons games like nightreign put sprint and roll on the same button in addition to using combinations like Y+L/R to perform actions. If more buttons were standard across controllers games could add more actions without needing button combos to perform them

>>713557621 (OP)
Uohhhhhhhhh

I like it for emulators where I can do things like bind the save state hotkeys to the extra buttons

Two back buttons, two back paddles, C Z on the face, and a 3rd left/right shoulder button. All easy to reach while still being out of the way and optional.

>>713557621 (OP)
4 pack paddles at the very least needs to become the standard for all controllers
So many games made from the ground up to be played with a controller still run into the issue of running out of buttons or being forced to use claw grip because of bad control layouts

>>713558209
Underrated
>>713557621 (OP)
They need more buttons, gyro, and trackpads.

>>713557621 (OP)
i like the idea of having extra programmable buttons.

>>713557621 (OP)
Remember the white button and black button?

No one used them.

>>713562414
Replaced by bumpers since the OG Xbox controllers only had triggers. Third party controllers made black and white into bumpers real quick after release too.

>>713557621 (OP)
With how many games put regular actions on the d-pad, yes.

Its good for leaning in FPSs, its also useful for macros, or just something to click while I wait to load in. I dont see the problem with back buttons, its just a nice feature that's there if you need it.

The perfect controller is a Steam Controller.

>>713557621 (OP)
Microsoft will eternally drag their feet on PC supporting inputs beyond what an Xbox 360 controller has.

>>713557621 (OP)
>Do controllers need more buttons?
Yes. How many fucking shift and modifier buttons do games have to use for you to realize the obvious that they need more dedicated buttons in less retarded places.
Thumbsticks are such a terrible thing for controllers when the majority of the buttons are also face buttons, meaning you'd need to periodically remove direct control of your movement/camera to press a dpad direction or ABXY.
Controllers need an entire revamp in the way they are shaped, and that includes adding more buttons since devs can't help but put a hundred little fucking inputs into games nowadays.

>>713557621 (OP)
If your game needs more buttons than provided by a majority of modern controller configurations in order to be played optimally, you have FAILED as a game designer.

Dual trackpads are a requirement for me now. Steam Controller 2 can't come soon enough.

>>713557621 (OP)
Yes they need more buttons. Modern games almost always want you to have your thumbs on both sticks simultaneously and so you only have access to 4 buttons easily. A perfect example is Elden Ring where you cannot fucking sprint while moving around and moving the camera.

>>713557621 (OP)
I never got used to paddles / buttons on the back of a controller personally, though I haven't used a controller with one all that much. For squeezing more inputs out of a controller I really like the touchpad on DS4/DualSense. Left click, right click, swipes up/down/left/right is 6 right there, haven't really needed more.

>>713557621 (OP)
Have you gone so far as to think why games need you to push three buttons at once might be exactly why controllers are getting more buttons?

>>713557621 (OP)
Yes. I use the back buttons constantly.
Top left is load state.
Top right is save state.
Bottom left is half speed.
Bottom right is 5x speed.

Controllers should only have two face buttons: run and jump.

>>713563869
>anon doesn't know how to claw grip
Embarrassing.

>>713565932
There shouldn't be a run button.

>>713557621 (OP)
Controllers need more face buttons.

>>713565932
This post reminded me of It's A Me! by Hempuli (Baba Is You, Noita). It's a short game with a simple but unique control scheme, definitely recommend it.

>>713557621 (OP)
Back buttons would be standard now and would allow devs to be more creative with control schemes, but some subhuman piece of shit patent troll is holding the entire game industry back. Patent trolls should be drawn and quartered in public, and I won't buy anymore Corsair products since they own the company that put the patent on back buttons on controllers.

having a third shoulder button kicks ass

>>713557621 (OP)
How is the bfg anyway, I've heard very mixed things but I'm concerned hearing about how it has no rumble at all

>>713557621 (OP)
A basic four shoulder button and four face button controller effectively has 32 face buttons when counting the shoulder button combos (hold L1 + L2 then press a face button for example).

You double that if you incorporate the d pad.

Leaving the sticks for movement and the option/start button area for pausing. Basically nothing fully utilizes the controller as is because it would be a god damn nightmare to do so and to play.

After I started playing with arcade sticks for fun, I discovered that the face buttons on traditional controllers are kind of a terrible idea.

back buttons just make more sense than face buttons nowadays

>>713563768
I need this yesterday, hopefully with adaptive triggers this time so I can ditch my dualsense for good

I've gotten a controller with two back buttons recently and never used them. What do you guys even use them for?

>>713557621 (OP)
Absolutely they should. There's not reason it shouldn't be the norm even if for no more than to be able to assign them to actions other buttons are capable. It's nice to play an fps on console for example, and not have to play with my pointer finger over the face buttons. We've stagnated, perhaps intentionally.

>>713570428
This is why I've been a keyboard supremacist.

>>713565970
You are a glowfag agent for Big Carpal Tunnel.

>>713571072
>What do you guys even use them for?
In Nightreign I use the L4 bonus shoulder button for the Y+LT command and a paddle for select to check the map without taking my thumb off the stick.

>>713571072
I don't use them for every game. Or most games, in fact. I just think they're convenient to have for when I do want them.

>>713571072
idk about you, but any time a game tells me to do something by clicking the analog sticks, I tell that game to never talk to me like that again, and map that shit to the back buttons.
I map sprint to L4 on the deck whenever possible.

I never used a controller with back buttons before I got my steam deck. Honestly I can see the appeal. I rebind the buttons mostly from LB RB and R3 L3 to prolong their live span. In one game I binded them to quick save and quick load which you wouldn't be able to in the console version of the game or just by playing on controller on PC.

>>713557621 (OP)
more games need chorded inputs where holding a button acts as a modifier to let a bunch of other buttons or a specific one do something different than its unmodified input

>>713557621 (OP)
I used to be all about more face buttons but these days I use 2 at most, for games like elden ring or as modeshift buttons. Most controllers have badly positioned back buttons. With gyro I don't need them 99% of the time and using them would compromise grip while face buttons are more comfortable. Also for gyro there's basically no options for true back buttons since the only controller with individual back buttons, good gyro and touchpad is the ds edge which is comically overpriced. So I just use them sporadically or in games without precise camera control needed.

>>713557621 (OP)
yeah back buttons becoming the norm would be nice because console centric games could be designed around having more functions than the standard 4 face buttons 4 shoulder buttons.

>>713565970
I do know how to claw grip. I played a lot of Mon Hun on the 3DS. It is still annoying and dumb.

>>713573854
Try doing it on a real controller.

>>713573854
you didn't even need to claw for MH on 3DS, I put the touch screen dpad near the face buttons and would rotate the camera with my thumb. could also just press L and that would soft lock onto the monster for you

>>713571072
I want them to become standardized and games to use them as modifier buttons. So basically holding the left or right back button makes all the face buttons do something else. That would be absolutely monumental for improving control schemes and complexity in games while also giving you free 360 degree movement.

if your game isn't compatible with this, I probably don't want to play it

>>713577163
bro only plays games from the 70s

>>713557621 (OP)
Back in the day. we could play all of our games with only one button. And we were happy with it.

>>713559658
>4 pack paddles at the very least needs to become the standard for all controllers
It won't because SCUF (nobody knows what jewish entity this is but Corsair owns them) holds the 140+ patents in the majority of the gaming world regions for all sorts of game controller input options beyond the current standard. They successfully sued Valve into discontinuing the Steam controller because of this, and the Elite controllers for Xbox and Playstation actually have to license the "technology" from SCUF. Steam Deck and Switch 2 Pro skirt around the patents by having the rear buttons be on the handles instead of the back, because that's how patents work.

>>713577163
That controller sucks so much fucking ass, are you like 5'1 with midget hands?

>>713557621 (OP)
This is an acceptable option. Made Doom Eternal much more enjoyable.

>>713577940
great, thank you copyright jews.

>>713557621 (OP)
Those buttons would be nice if they were actual extra buttons and not just programmable quick keys for retards incapable of pressing the buttons that are on the controller that were designed to be ergonomic and easy to press.

>>713557621 (OP)
Six face buttons, a dpad, dual analogs and dual triggers really should be the standard.
If the "next generation" doesn't manage to include paddles on the backs of the handles as standard then I will be massively disappoint.

>>713563768
can get rid of the sticks, trackpads obsolete those wastes of space

>>713578484
This thing rocks. Apparently they just could not get people to buy these for a while, so I scored mine for twenty bucks. It's very well made and very easy to use. It's a damn shame that the newest crop of controllers doesn't have something this cheap and high quality, frankly.

>>713562414
That's what the duchess was for

>>713579309
yeah it's really a shame you have to either ball out for an elite/pro version of a controller, or go 3rd party like 8bitdo if you want back buttons. I have the xbox elite 2 and the back paddles are pretty nice, though I hear the bumpers are notorious for failing on the thing. hasn't happened to me yet but we'll see

I'm on the camp that craves for 6 face button layout a la Saturn/OG Xbox, mainly because i want gyro aim to be THE standard for aiming in shooters, it makes a world of a difference to not hold your thumb's position near a stick all the time.

>>713570061
>A basic four shoulder button and four face button controller effectively has 32 face buttons when counting the shoulder button combos (hold L1 + L2 then press a face button for example).
This calculation is way off. There are five possible values for the face buttons. These are A, B, C, D, let's say, and the non-press, and permutations of this.

8 of them start with A. {A, AB, AC,..., ABC,..., ABCD}
4 of them start with B (removing non-unique ones) {B, BC, BD, BCD}
2 of them start with C {C, CD}
1 of them starts with D
1 of them is the empty set.

This is 16 for the face buttons alone.

Now for shoulder buttons we have the same number, 16 permutations.

So the result is 16*16=256
(a magic video game number)