>still the greatest CRPG of all time
>still mogs BG3 in every conceivable way
How did they do it?

>not fully voice acted
i sleep

>not fully voice acted
>i sleep

BG3 is total shit but I want to like pathfinder but I just don't enjoy the gameplay and think the characters are boring.

Old Infinity engine games are unmatched still king

>>713571075 (OP)
The truth
gamers love filling forms

>already forgotten, dead and buried by 40k

>>713571075 (OP)
I think a lot about fucking a succubus until she overloads on my lust and fucking explodes

BG3 has a PF2E mod now. I have no more need for Owlcat or Paizo's dogshit licensing

>>713571075 (OP)
Why do Owlcat and Larian shills pretend to like CRPGs when both devs don't make CRPGs?

>>713571075 (OP)
no, Larian had better level design even back in DOS2.
The 3D environments are just objectively better than the flat planes that pathfinder combat takes place in

>>713571075 (OP)
I've tried to play it twice now and dropped it 3 hours in each time.

>>713571075 (OP)
I did really enjoy my time with it, but damn the bugs are atrocious and while the story is decent, the writing is really bad>>713571129

>>713571075 (OP)
Everyone loves BG3, but I completely bounce off of it every time because WotR just feels so much better to play. I wish I hadn't played it first.

>combat relies on prebuffing
>the only way to know when to prebuff is by save scumming or consulting guides
epic gameplay

>>713571206
>>713571129
Don't worry, there will be an inevitable UE remake soon enough after that Expanse game is a success and sells, a remake that will have graffix and full VA and only Angel/Demon/Legend paths due to all budget being spent on superfluous shit instead and it will sell vastly more than the original because that's how normies work, they are literally blown away by the subpar building options in something like BG3 so long as your cRPG is made to look like a bimbo

>>713573218
And for their next crpg (NOT Pathfinder btw) Owlcat wants to improve in that regard, Larian truly is an aspiration for us all

>>713573424
yeah, i thought rogue trader was pretty good, my only major complaint was that the shade of green they used on everything looked so bad, but they're switching that thankfully

>>713571129
what a fucking tool

>>713573373
or you could invest into extending your buffs instead of being a whiny cuck

>>713573412
i do think people just prefer reactive to proactive gameplay, BG3 builds might be less involved than pathfinder but fights are more intense and require turn to turn decision making. I once had an owlcat veteran admit to me that most of the game takes place in excel as you're planning your build.

Here's your Baldur's Gate 3 but PF2E
the best of both worlds

>>713573996
PF2E is not that good though
idk why this is being treated as a compromise, when if anything, pathfinder fans would prefer 5e, which is just a watered down version of 3.5

>>713574257
PF2E is more fun and tactical than 5E while not being as boring and excel sheet as PF1E

>>713571075 (OP)
succubus sex

>>713573862
>BG3 builds might be less involved than pathfinder but fights are more intense and require turn to turn decision making
Both games play exactly the same though, even the core of the gameplay is the same: prebuffing + auto attack for the best output
Difference is in BG3 you only precast 2-3 buffs instead.
But the reality is the same, if you want the strongest/easiest time you'll pause time and enter combat outside of the battle, prebuff with a thrown Haste pot on the ground near allies, precast Phalar Aluve Shriek Aura + Mass Healing Word for auto Bless & Blade Ward possibly another class ability depending like Spirit Guardians if Cleric, on class, then you start battle and unironically just spam attack through extra actions and stuff like Swords Bard multiple hits or drop a debuff/CC effect with a caster (which isn't needed in both games due to once again prebuff + auto attack being so obscenely strong).
It's the SAME logic.
And there's no point in wasting actions during battle doing that when you can easily do it outside of battle, same reason why you're casting short buffs like Divine Favor etc. right outside of battle in Pathfinder/Neverwinter Nights.
Well, besides BG3 having some stuff that is fun but ultimately doesn't matter like throwing enemies off cliffs and losing loot or elevations or dropping stacks with 100x bombs
I still prefer Pathfinder games because they have more flavor and options when it comes to the core gameplay like more shapeshifting forms, more debuffing options, riding pets, more pets/summons and for multiple classes, more class combinations.
But once again, the core gameplay or meta or whatever is literally the same.

>>713571075 (OP)
After the release of BG3 i just realized how utterly shit the Crpg fandom is, its a bunch of autistic pseuds with shit taste pretending that mediocre games are legendary masterpieces.

>>713574440
sure, 5e is just a watered down version of 3.5, but I don't think the existence of prebuffing is enough to say that two rpgs have the exact same combat logic. DOS2 also has prebuffing and extremely powerful melee, but it would be completely insane to say that DOS2 and WOTR have similar combat sandboxes

Why do CRPG have such bad writing and dialogue? I can't stand any of them. The character creation part is probably the only thing that hooks me in. It all feels soulless once the game actually starts.

>>713575205
>Why do CRPG have such bad writing and dialogue?
They are made for retarded autists

>>713571075 (OP)
What an ugly hideous abomination of character design. Yuck

>>713575205
>I can't stand any of them
You issue.

>>713571075 (OP)
lol
lmao

>>713571075 (OP)
>dipfinder
ill pass, tell me when a crpg using pathfinder 2 comes out

The best crpg is Troubleshooter: Abandoned Children

>>713571075 (OP)
Ruins of Myth Drannor mogged BG3, so you're setting a pretty low bar

>>713572949
>2e
gross

>>713571075 (OP)
WotR is the true successor to Baldur's Gate 2.

>>713578046
>can't even pick pocket npcs

>>713571075 (OP)
reddit the game

>>713578046
this but I mean it in an insulting way

>>713575205
The target audience is autists and children, and the writers are the leftovers who couldn't make it as novelists or movie/television scriptwriters.

>>713571075 (OP)
By not being a fucking trash, that's how. It's that simple nowadays

>>713573996
EVEN if the mod with the system was good (and it’s not), you’re still locked in a game with lousy woke characters, no interesting quests, a dead world, monotonous locations, empty dialogues written by Californians, and a trashy story.

>>713578696
But enough about Pathfinder

>>713575205
Long ago the appeal of the genre was that it had good writing and deep narratives, but as talent has become watered down we’ve been left with average writing/storytelling made unbearable by indulgent wordiness trying to emulate what came before, but where more of a good story is still good, more of an average story is a bore

Canon KC is;
>Aasimar
>Female
>Bard
>Chaotic Good
>Azata
>Romance Arue
>Ascension ending
>Impregnated with twins

>>713578696
i counted more "california-isms" in one act of WOTR than in all of BG3. Also Wrath is the game with the trans lesbian couple so....you know what they say about glass houses and stones

>>713579330
was that the appeal? i played crpgs because it offered an opportunity for role playing and character building. nobody in their right mind thought baldur's gate 1 or 2 had writing better than a mediocre fantasy novel. even something like fallout was liked for its atmosphere and questing than the actual "narrative". ironically this posts reeks of tourism

>>713571075 (OP)
>the greatest CRPG of all time
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this.
>How did they do it?
Spark on a jar and a lot of passion for creating a good game. It also helps that Pathfinder is the best fantasy setting out there with incredible stories and charming characters. Bg3 can thank WotR for the success it got.

>>713571075 (OP)
WotR also has the best girl

>>713579993
slop

>>713579993
>It also helps that Pathfinder is the best fantasy setting out there with incredible stories and charming characters. Bg3 can thank WotR for the success it got
I see that your delusions don't stop with Arue growing a dick huh

>>713579856
In WOTR, there are woke elements, and no one disputes that, and they make the game worse for sure. But they are FAR fewer than in BG3, and they’re all very superficial, done just for show.

In BG3, you can clearly see how the developers were passionate about themes like refugees, squatting, transgender issues, and more.

For example, they raise the issue of deadnaming in one of the dialogues, made all the gnomes gay, and included a TON of trans characters in the game.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS???

https://files.catbox.moe/62o1jp.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/s0l521.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/fhw8ng.mp4

>>713580035
It's tea. Not slop.
>>713580091
Take your meds and go to bed. It is past your bedtime anon.

>>713580217
Pathfinder is nothing more than dollar store DnD, and BG3's early access alone was more popular than both Pathfinder games put together, you're delusional

>>713580098
>there are woke elements BUT
ok so you're just coping
you don't have to do this mental gymnastics shit its just embarrassing

>>713579993
this but unironically

>>713580098
Does BG3 let you kill all those people?

>>713580394
Yes, which is certainly a better cope than
>uhhh you can kill the tranny if you play an evil mythic path
>oh and only near the end of the game

>>713580326
Pathfinder is a good game with some woke elements, while BG3 is a terrible game that goes full woke along with games like Dustborne.
>>713580394
What’s the point if there’s NO ONE there except those kinds of people? The meaning of an RPG game where you have to slaughter 99% of NPCs? It’s just absurd that someone uses this as an argument.

>>713580487
you can just say that woke elements are kinda irrelevant as to whether something is good or not, and not do this indian song and dance of trying to justify your enjoyment of a game thats on the woke games list

>>713571129
People who care about voice acting are actual subhumans that can't imagine words in the characters voice.

>>713579460
Wrong. Ywnbaw.

>>713580639
Woke elements make ANY game worse. It the game is great it becomes just good, if its OK then it becomes bad, if its bad then it becomes BG3.

RT has almost none woke elements and it makes it better.

Woke=bad. Always. But the base of game matters too and WOTR has an outstanding base, while BG3 is a bad game even if you ignore ALL the woke shit

Do people actually like games like BG3 or WotR because they're attached to these licensed settings like DnD and Pathfinder or are the games just enjoyable in spite of the attachment to these things? It seems like a universal downside

>>713579460
Friendly reminder that, canonically:
>Arueshalae is not a demon
>Arueshalae is not even a succubus, just a mortal
>Arueshalae lost her powers upon becoming a mortal
>This includes her shapeshifting powers
>Arueshalae can't grow a dick
>YWNBAW
>Her and Nenio's banter talking about the possible race of your children is exclusive to MALE COMMANDERS, because Owlcat understands only men and women can have biological children

>>713579460
>>713579993
based azata yurichad

>>713580853
they are enjoyable but DOS2 is better than BG3

>>713580808
eh, i dont care that much. im far more likely to cringe at camellia's horrible voice acting than a line about a character being gay

froggy got so mind broken he can't stop chasing after the arueanon
she raped you last thread with this screenshot nigga
she won

>>713581409
Seeing this posted as some kind of own when I used to ask for Arueshalae's anarchic gift as a reward for completing her romance is very funny. Of course, they didn't include it because she doesn't have it, because she's not a succubus anymore

>>713575205
Stick to lowbrow garbage like Batman and god of war

keep refreshing the thread lil nigga mind broken as you're
she is still a succubus with wings horns and tail, doesn't matter how much you try to twist it and meme your headcanon into reality
it won't happen how you wish it would
and btw her camp discussion with nenio about having children happen regardless of the mc gender, a line of dialogue in act 5 triggers it, but you wouldn't know that because you don't play the game
secondary fag
you lost she won

i romanced daeran so i dont have to deal with all this drama lmao

>WotR thread
>can't go 10 words without mentioning BG3
Curious.

Its a big shame that owlcat is going down the crpg shovelware route, because if BG3 was to teach any lesson at all, it was "you can have nerdy rpg gameplay and still have it be popular if your presentation is high budget enough".
But owlcat decided to spend all their budget and talent on a game with about as much gameplay depth as gears of war.

>>713581883
>she is still a succubus with wings horns and tail, doesn't matter how much you try to twist it and meme your headcanon into reality
Retaining her appearance won't change the fact that she's not one, cope
>and btw her camp discussion with nenio about having children happen regardless of the mc gender
It doesn't, I tested it myself, and I'm sure you did it too, you're just shitposting to try and trick people into falling for your troon headcanon
>a line of dialogue in act 5 triggers it
Completely made up, the only thing needed to get that banter is to have to completed Arueshalae's questline and romance, and to be playing male, of course

In my experience, WotR was far more than woke BG3.
In BG3, I didn't really get any major wokeness until Act 2, with the lesbians.
WotR, on the other hand, within seconds of starting the game, opens with an unavoidable sheboon paladin. Dropped it within minutes.

>>713582247
And you didn't get to see the transbian married to a half-orc paladin

>>713582247
>>713582282
you find the trans lesbian couple well within the refund window, so there's no excuse there. i at least get culture warriors complaints with BG3 because a lot of the most overt stuff isn't until the end of the game, even if I don't care at all.

>>713582282
I heard about that. Absolutely egregious; put me off of it for good.

>>713582340
>you find the trans lesbian couple well within the refund window
not really, the prologue is long, assuming you go in blind and not speedreading everything, it's definitely going to be more than two hours, at that point the only thing you'll know is that Anevia has a wife, but being a tranny, and said wife being a half-orc paladin, is something you don't know

>>713574310
>excel sheet as PF1E
The "excel sheet" is the best part. I want to have some actual depth in my character building. BG3's implementation of 5e was fucking atrocious in that regard.

>>713582437
>>713582340
oh right, and don't even get me started on character creation, that's going to take a good chunk of time too

>>713571075 (OP)
WotR wasn't an RPG, it was a combat gauntlet. BG3 was a better RPG as far as actual roleplaying goes.

>>713582437
well i dont know people's tolerance for this stuff. if someone's ok with lesbians as long as there not ugly, then they shouldn't be bothered by the BG3 couple.

>>713575137
>it would be completely insane to say that DOS2 and WOTR have similar combat sandboxes
If you remove all the tacticool bs (which is the natural consequence of having a non-shit build), then yes, they are.

>>713571075 (OP)
Not with that idiot;

>>713582470
you can have extremely deep character building without sacrificing combat reactivity and strategy

>>713571075 (OP)
BG3 is a far, far more fun game to play than WotR. WotR is a prebuff simulator.
However, WotR has really, really deep buildcraft more than BG3, primarily owing to it going to level 20 and having what are essentially epic levels too. When you get like 20 levels of classes and, what, 10 prestige levels to play with it is a lot.

I respect both games, but in the future I don't really see myself replaying WotR. It is too bloated. The crusade mechanics suck. The story goes off the fucking rails when you get set into the world wound. It is like 200 hours long, etc. Of course, I don't know when I'd replay BG3 either but if I had to choose I'd do BG3.

>>713582596
LARP opinion, even the most straightforward autoattack-to-win DOS2 build still has a different cadence and strategy when compared to a WOTR fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVqciHzxsRI

>>713582787
Good post.
A lot of RPG players forget that things like "buildcraft" exist for the sake of a roleplaying fantasy and not as end in themselves. Yes, BG3 is "simpler" in these terms, but it strikes a better balance and fulfills the fantasy far better than WotC.

Speaking of RPGs, has anyone played the Solasta 2 demo? I didn't even know it existed until twenty minutes ago. The character models look decent, not like the downie freaks of the first game but there's a lot of brown people so far. Kinda looks like a mix between Veilguard and BG3. But I guess that's modern D&D. They're apparently moving to a new dice system soon but I'm out of the loop whether or not that's a good thing. Guessing it's bad since WOTC is involved.

>>713581409
>Trying to use the AP as evidence of anything
Why?
In the AP the trickster background has her saving your character as a child, with you recognizing her as an adult, this isn't in the game
In the AP she has to do certain acts of penance to complete her redemption, and after finishing one, she has to pass a will check to make it count, this isn't in the game
In the AP, if she falls and becomes evil again she immediately leaves and rejoins Nocticula, this doesn't happen in the game where you can actually re-recruit her
In the AP she's afraid of going back to the Abyss and proposes staying on Golarion but using her anarchic gift to communicate with your party and help, this doesn't happen in the game
Owlcat's adaptation changes a lot of things, hell, WotR originally wasn't meant to be played as evil characters. She doesn't have those powers in Owlcat's video game adaptation, and she's a mortal, unlike the AP

>>713582787
Pathfinder's builds are all a meme anyway because most of the classes play the same

>>713583146
i have not played the demo, but solasta 1 wasn't anything to write home about.
ig going from "horrificaly ugly" to "unreal mediocre" is an improvement
also i think solasta 1 might go down as having the worst crpg soundtrack, and for western rpgs, that's saying something

>>713575205
Rpgs are infested with mentally ill types even more than usual among videogame genres and mentally ill people make bad games.

There's a reason a lot of the best game developers are people who don't even like videogames. Because they're well adjusted they can use their brain rationally without poisoning their creations with their agendas, fetishes and ideology

>>713582787
>BG3 is a far, far more fun game to play than WotR
Extremely subjective. I've finished both multiple times and I've definitely had more fun with WotR.

>>713582674
You can probably can. I've yet to see anyone actually implement it though.

>>713583537
>I've yet to see anyone actually implement it though
you should try this $25 gook game...
https://store.steampowered.com/app/470310/TROUBLESHOOTER_Abandoned_Children/

>>713583594

>>713572949
really? might try bg3 now than

>>713583741
a lot of the girls are kinda mid anyway....the designs are a bit soulless and muted in classic korea style....they don't have the soul of japan waifu design

>>713571075 (OP)
i have more hours in Wrath but BG3 (act 1 anyway) is still a better game than wrath. the fact that i could infiltrate the camp with stealth, talking or even just fighting and killing all of them reminded me of NV a lot. sure it's plot is dogshit, characters one dimensional and boring, armor more generic than most mmos but he combat, reactivity and multiple way to solve quest made me love the game more than Wrath

>>713575434
>see hot demoness in a bikini
>what the fuck eww
imagine being more gay than Sosiel or Wyll

>>713582574
Frankly, me wanting to fuck Aylin won't suddenly make me tolerate her, she's such an annoying cunt, if anything that makes me wish to rape correct her

>>713571075 (OP)
Combat in both Pathfinder and BG3 is terrible, but for different reasons. The real problem with BG3 is the writing or rather the complete lack of it
Both games are about the same length but there's nothing going on in BG3 in comparison to Wotr, I'm pretty sure one act in Pathfinder has more quests and highlights than all of fucking BG3

>>713571075 (OP)
BG3 has good reactivity but Wrath has more replayability and cool classes. I legit liked Angel, demon, legend and even Aeon

>>713586769
>BG3 has good reactivity
Not really, there are a lot of places where you can say or do different things but they almost always lead to the same thing or just game over

>>713587002
crpg fans love confusing reactivity with choice and consequence all the time for some reason

>>713587002
>be elf
>see fellow elf wailing in agony because of the hag spell
>try to calm him down by speaking in elven
>it does nothing.
also
>shadowheart has the cube
>meet jaheira and destroy her vines
>She recast it again and force me to comply
>somehow despite not having the cube my character pulls it out of his own ass out of nowhere
also
>only a small handful of side quest in act 2
>decided to do shadowheart quest first
>it progressed the plot so much that all the quest auto fails and i have to rush to moonrise
>fighgt j.k simmons
>he gets whisked away by a huge tentacle
>lost all the motivation i had to continue this game
Larian can make a great combat system and good graphics but they can't write a coherent story or character to save their life

>>713587601
I liked Lohse's story in DOS2

>>713571075 (OP)
BG3's first act shits on every recent crpg, the other two acts though....

>>713571129
This is why gaming is shit now.

>>713571075 (OP)
Wrath just makes you feel awesome. The game will give you some crazy prose text talking about how you reach into the depths of your soul to blow up a reused enemy while bg3 will give you this cool cutscene and nice graphics for the netherbrain and it's somehow not as engaging as even the auntie ethel fight.

>>713588863
the music helps

>>713588863
It's insane the shit that happens in text sometimes. Like Sosiel healing himself and a squad of soldiers through being eaten alive by a vescavor swarm