Thread 713589367

realistically speaking is there any way to salvage mass effect at this point save for shutting down bioware and giving the franchise to someone else. Who could even save things at this point (in other words build on mass effect 1 story and premise in a good way)

>>713589367 (OP)
>so hideous you have to post AI images because the actual fatty is disgusting

>>713589367 (OP)
No, it jumped the shark with 2

>>713589367 (OP)
I have zero faith in any western studio to make any good games anymore. They simply do not want to, seemingly out of spite.

Realistically no, >>713593054

In a perfect world you could remake 1 and then reboot the series from that, pretending 2-3-4 never existed, but that's just a dream.

>>713589367 (OP)
As sad as it is, Bioware is probably the best at making TPS RPGs.
The only game that is remotely similar is Greedfall, but if we compare the two, even newer Mass Effect games have so much more to offer. We'll see what Spiders do with Greedfall 2, but it doesn't seem too promising.

>>713589367 (OP)
no chance. keep up with exodus and the expanse, these are spiritual successors.

>>713589367 (OP)
Bro it's already dead. In spirit it died with ME2. Effectively it died with ME3. Financially it died with MEA. The nails are in the coffin and it's been buried. It's fucking over.

>>713589367 (OP)
just enjoy your infinite asari pictures. could be worse.

>>713594496
ME:A did decently well in sales, as awful as it was. EA claimed it was their only non-sports title to do well that year.

>>713589367 (OP)
Pretend ME2 and ME3 never happened. Make a new alternate ME2 and go from there.

>>713595538
But ME2 was the best game.

>>713595614
its the best game and its the worst game. you can't separate the parts, need to amputate.

>>713595665
The biggest "issue" was that it was disconnected in storyline, but what was there worked well. Mechanically, it was solid, and the cast was great. 3 felt like a deliberate "fuck you" to throw a monkey wrench (pipe chazzwozzer for europoors) in the works.

>>713595665
>>713595781
We gotta stop with these retarded, revisionist opinions.
They're killing the ME discussion.

>>713595781
mechanically it was very good, the cast was okay, i personally hate miranda except of her ass. kasumi was wasted and immediately forgotten. jacob was there. all the reaper creep started in ME2 and the ending was garbage.

>>713595951
>revisionist
>when the game was celebrated at release
I bet they never called it the PSX until recently, too. Everyone had a N64 anyway.

>>713596049
ME2 is the best game in the franchise, and what made ME worthy of being a franchise to begin with.

>>713595781
what was so bad about 3 besides the ending

>>713596181
raped cerberus a second time, relegated all "choices matter" shit into worthless garbage. the entire war spreadsheet for that matter. maybe the entire concept of galactic war bullshit.

>>713595614
ME2 jumped the shark with its story.
>what if we made a mission where Shepard takes the team on an away mission and then most of the rest of the crew gets abducted

>>713593625
>remake 1 and then reboot the series from that
You'd have to somehow coax Drew Karphyshyn to come back and write but this time for the entire trilogy. Not to mention you'd have to offload it to some other studio. bioware is just bioware in name now.

>>713596131
Despite agreeing, I felt ME1 was a strong start that got me invested.
>>713596181
I just quit an attempt to run through it again.
*deep breath*
>long questlines with a bunch of subquests, like really long
>more irritating scanning mechanic
>a main plot that doesn't go much of anywhere
>a lot of "go hang out with your squadmates in this bar" shit that requires traipsing all over the citadel
>terrible inventory system that's worse than none at all (but still better than 1)
>goofy branching skill tree that really only has one good path per skill
>Liara is front and center again
>most of 2's cast is unavailable
>retarded reaper designs for the most part (besides the marauder and banshee, they don't even resemble their origin races)
>quite a few moments that go on way too long of enemies spawning and coming out of a single small room
And one of my most hated aspects
>after every mission, you end up in the comm room and have to run all the fucking way back to the galaxy map
I originally said the only good parts were the Leviathan DLC (though I only actually like the end, after recently playing), the apartment party DLC (same), and Taking Back Omega (pretty solid all the way through, but has some issues). It's not spectacularly bad like Rogue Warrior or Ride to Hell: Retribution, but it's a black spot on what should have been a solid trilogy.

>>713595781
ME2 (and 3) cerberus sucks, killing and reviving Shepard feels unnecessary, the galaxy feels smaller in 2 than 1 since it's more HFY, Liara is a completely different character, the game is disconnected from 1 for no real good reason.

ME2 has its moments in both characters, locations and set-pieces. But as part of a trilogy and as a story its a mess

>>713596554
ME2 feels almost exactly like DA2. Smaller in scope and fucks off to an entirely different region of the world just because it can instead of building on top of what the first game did.

>>713596507
>>Despite agreeing, I felt ME1 was a strong start that got me invested.
Alpha Protocol was ultimately a better game than ME1. More bugged, but the game itself was a better TPS/RPG with choices that have a mass effect on the story. Even if they are contained in one single installment.

>>713596554
ME1 and ME3 cerberus are absolute comic relief retards. ME2 cerberus was a huge upgrade but it comes out of nowhere.
>>713596650
In DA2 that's perfectly fine, thats how you succeed in not rushing a sequel. If you absolutely must seize cash-grab opportunity immediately then you side-story a sequel to avoid botching it completely. It was much wider in scope on the timeline which was neat but ME2 feels like they wanted a sort of tightly focused action thriller plot. The smaller map scope is fine for that, too much exploration and side questing and you'll ruin that tone. They ruined it anyway of course.

>>713596650
There's nothing that ME1 introduced that any game needed to built upon, as far as the main plot goes. However, you got more insights into the Geth, Tuchanka, the Genophage, the Terminus systems and really helped grow and expand the setting.
ME3 fucked all of that.

>>713589367 (OP)
I think the way to go is smaller scale. No more fate of the universe stuff. Do a C-Sec cop story set entirely in the citadel wards, that kind of thing.

>>713596828
>ME2 feels like they wanted a sort of tightly focused action thriller plot
They just wanted it to be more of a cover shooter than an RPG because that's what normalfags at the time were gobbling up.
>>713596837
>There's nothing that ME1 introduced that any game needed to built upon, as far as the main plot goes
You become the first human space glownigger which essentially gets immediately forgotten about as soon as ME1 ends. ME3 also completely forgets this.

>>713597005
mechanics are unrelated to the plot

>>713597005
Being a Spectre is an excuse to have the game let you go wherever you want, so you can actually do shit, which you shouldn't be able to do otherwise. It's not particularly interesting in any other way, and even in ME1 is it incredibly transparent.

>>713596837
>There's nothing that ME1 introduced that any game needed to built upon
except the reapers and how to stop them, literally the parting call to action in ME1, which isn't actually followed up on. (collectors just happen to be reaper-aligned and besides the human reaper is retarded). Instead the plot makes a completely unnecessary somersault in 2 and goes full retard in 3.
I don't think bioware had any good ideas after 1, switching writers probably didn't help either

>>713597172
>except the reapers and how to stop them
Literally the worst thing to happen to Mass Effect.

>>713597172
>how to stop them
in 1, reapers can be stopped by just stopping them which you do. being some unbeatable infinity force is ME3 shit.

>>713597056
>less roleplaying potential and emphasis on rpg elements isnt relevant to the plot in an rpg
Ok
>>713597114
The Alliance was hyping it up to be a really important thing in humanity's history. If bioware wanted to forget about this in the next game from the start they might as well could've just done something completely else. I like when the games I play have some structure, consistency and continuity to them instead of just changing it up for no reason with each new installment.

>>713589367 (OP)
Bioware is pretty small team right now and EA is changing how its big franchise games are made.
They will be using like 10 studios to make ME like their doing with BF6

>>713597354
shooting mechanics aren't relevant to plot or even RPG elements at all in any way shape or form, no. completely irrelevant and also completely retarded.

>>713597354
>>The Alliance was hyping it up to be a really important thing in humanity's history.
That Bioware played it up and it's a bunch of horse shit, isn't ME2's problem. It's not even relevant in ME1, after the trial.

>>713597424
Yeah sure whatever

>>713597418
>hundreds of uncoordinated jeets and creative controls in the hands of a corporate committee

grim

>>713598032
>more AI Liara posted by the same troon

>>713589367 (OP)
>realistically speaking is there any way to salvage mass effect at this point
No. Mass Effect was lightning in a bottle so it'be hard to recreate even if the same exact people worked on it. But the people who worked on it are not part of Bioware anymore, the people who replaced them are much worse at their job.

Now more than ever before you should know that the quality and feeling of a game is 90% decided by whether it has the developer talent or not, and as soon as you get rid of those exact developers you will inevitably get something worse.

any idiot with a fanfic could take over and do a better job than bioware. even the dev work is almost trivial these days, just a matter of time and money.

>>713598093
mindbroken by AIgods I see

>>713589367 (OP)
Bump

>>713589367 (OP)
absolutely disgraceful they never expanded mass effect with spin offs in different genres. I don't think it can be understated how big of a mess ME3 was

>>713603004
for more discussion of AIsari sluts?

will be so weird to see them double down on all the left wing shit in this game too

>>713604004
Unlikely. They fired all the commies after the disaster that was Veilguard.

>>713593625
>In a perfect world you could remake 1 and then reboot the series from that,
I would like that actually, but only if they made things substantially different. Imagine if your biotic human squadmate in 1 was cerberus mole miranda instead of Kaiden

>>713589367 (OP)
>Is [Game] made after 2012?
>If Yes - Is [Game] made by US or Canada studio?
>If Yes - Ignore and move on with your life, it's woke shit or studio is already infested with diverse employees.
>If No - Still within risk, only judge once the game is released and actual gameplay is available

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>>713589367 (OP)
blue futa cock

>>713598110
>the quality and feeling of a game is 90% decided by whether it has the developer talent or not
Also depends on the culture within the building. Once Bioware hired Sam Maggs I imagined the same guys from the "Making of Mass Effect" documentary who were excited about being assigned to design big boob blue babes trying to coexist in a workplace with a shrew like her. The culture determines to what extent the talent will be allowed to express itself.

>>713589367 (OP)
Porn game where you build a crew of one slut from each race.

>>713589367 (OP)
>realistically speaking is there any way to salvage mass effect at this point
Have you seen anything made by Bioware in the past decade? Just shut it down already, I don't know how EA are they keeping them going. Rather than creating Mass Effect 4, some other studio should create a Space RPG, I don't know why nobody else has done it outside of maybe Outer Wilds but that's first person and shit.

>>713604548
Yup. I've not a game dev but I've been in situations like that, some feminist nag or shrew gets hired or starts hanging with a group of creatives and it immediately murders the atmosphere and culture and eventually people start leaving or dropping out and the remaining are on eggshells at all times.

>>713604878
The power they have is their determination. Most people want to be left alone but, once one person comes in promising dire social consequences to anybody who doesn't fall in line with her way of thinking (via HR complaints, lawsuit threats, social coercion) then the entire culture shifts drastically to her way of thinking, out of fear. It's amazing to watch. I think this is why most creative projects in the West are failing.