It's fucking happening

Yoshi-P status?

>>713599287
Suicide watch.

>>713599287
Shit and piss.

>>713599214 (OP)
And just like that, FF7 part 3 will forever be the best Final Fantasy game ever.

the wrong lessons learned. lmao

>>713599214 (OP)
I hope next FF is full blown warm comfy fantasy like FFIX.

This is like the 30th public embarrassment Yoshi-P has faced this year. He's actually gonna fucking rope.

>>713599214 (OP)
Barry fucking won bigly

And just like that, my years of daily pro-action and anti-turn based combat shitposts go up in smoke. At least I'll always have my precious anti-tendie spam.

>>713599287
Not good.

>>713599214 (OP)
Square never stopped making turn based no shit they're going to keeping making them lmao

>>713599492
The FF15 action combat bestest ever guy? lol

>>713599214 (OP)
Turn-based slop is always braindead and boring as hell. Did Expedition 33 really fix that fundamental issue?.

>>713599492
>Bazztek saved Final Fantasy out of pure spite
Kneel to King Barry Lucis Caelum

>>713599492
Barry's favourite FF is the worst in the fucking series, he didn't win shit

>>713599441
This, they really took the bait. Not being turnbased was the least of their problems and now they will just make the same mistakes again but with atb. Proper death sentence for square.

>>713599287
looking for a rope

>>713599601
>worst in the fucking series
That's XIII

Half of the posts ITT are mine. I'm going to lose whole days damage controlling threads due to this tweet.

>>713599601
Barry hates FF16, what are you talking about?

All that complaining from people wanting them to do turn based and they didn't listen. It took a french game for them to finally blink and consider it. Clair Obscur should a win an award for doing something impossible and making Square Enix change course for once in their life.

Watch them give Yoshida another chance and he does the barebones of Ex33's combat like he did with 16

>One investor.
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

We did it, reddit!

>>713599746
I can't agree with that. XV is still unfinished to this day. At the very least XIII had a full story within the game, not scattered around books anime and movies.

>>713599780
This is exactly what SE would fucking do, isn't it? I will chop my dick off in rage if I see that fucking phoenix logo pop up on the FF17 trailer.

>>713599214 (OP)
mindraped by the french
kek

Welcome back to the good side, FF bros

>>713599214 (OP)
>inb4 they scrap kingdom hearts 4 and turn it into turn based

>>713599287
It's over.

Dragon quest 12 delayed for another 5 years wahoo

>>713599214 (OP)
why? rebirth combat system is peak

This doesn't mean that FF and DQ will be turn-based. Octopath and Bravely are turn-based. They've already said the next DQ will be realtime.

>>713599834
XV is like million times better than XIII. I enjoyed trip with bros. I couldn't even force myself to play XIII-2

>>713599446
next FF is FF9 remake that should hit close enough

>>713599214 (OP)
>tfw lost soul aside proceeds to do so well, squenix is told to just go with ffxv's gameplay

They will fuck it up by making it parry slop, "lets spend 1 hour memorizing soulslike boss attack patterns exactly like E33... 20 years of chasing "wider audience" by being fucking allergic to proper turn based and constantly trying to reinvent the FFX wheel, i dont trust them for a second.

>>713599957
FF9 remake doesn't exist.

>>713599492
>>713599583
>>713599945
kys tranny abbo

>>713599287
Crying

>yfw Akitoshi Kawazu is in charge of battle design for Final Fantasy XVII

>>713600018
We are so fucking back.

>>713599214 (OP)
i doubt they do turn based for mainline. rebirth combat is too good to toss that away

>>713599848
>phoenix logo pop up on the FF17 trailer.
I absolutely hate them.
Because their design philosophy is playing it safe, doing the bare minimum of complexity for their combat/world building and then expecting people with even a modicum of common sense to like their trash.

>FF9 and FF10 remakes will be turn based
Feels good to be a turn based chad

>>713599969
>ffxv's
>gameplay
you mean kingdom hearts 2 gameplay.

>>713599214 (OP)
>SE
>Not acting like retards every chance they get
FFXVII is more likely to be a walking simulator than an actual turn based RPG. There is no way these fucks will ever admit that they were wrong 25 years ago

Your apologies to King Barry.

>>713599214 (OP)
expedition isnt' turn based tho
it's rythem based

>>713600018
>Akitoshi Kawazu
I haven't heard that name is decades... god if Yusuke Naora is in charge of the art direction, we'd be so fucking back.

>>713599214 (OP)
Nah. I want to see Final call of fantasy duty.

>>713599214 (OP)
I hope they don't do it. FF7 Rebirth's combat is way too good to give it up to go back to the brainless borefest that is turn based.

>>713600130

>>713599920
>can literally beat the game by spamming 1 button and not even looking at screen

WHEN I SAY THANK YOU YOU SAY SANDFALL INTERACTIVE
THANK YOU

>>713599287
About to get Tabata'd for crashing XIV and making the gigaflop XVI.

>>713600162
they did a 3rd person shooter based on FF7 for smartphones.

>>713599492
Barry's favorite game isn't turn based so he still lost. If SE goes back to be turn based, it's a tacit admission that everything after FFX was a failure. So MMOfags lost, ARPGfags lost Lightningfags lost, Yoshipiss lost, Barry lost, and discount DmC also lost.

>>713599920
Any system based around staggering an enemy first before dealing real dmg is anything but peak

>>713600220
>About to get Tabata'd for crashing XIV and making the gigaflop XVI.
That'll never happen, Yoshida and Nomura had several chances, comepared to Hironobu Sakaguchi's one movie flop.
It's amazing that these two in particular can have so many disappointments and get mercy becuase they're supposedly the only "creatives" left at SE.

>they're going to take the wrong lesson from E33
>"the only thing we need to change is the combat system! action turn based will solve everything!"
Squeenix will finally die, thank God.

>>713599446
9 is so overrated

>>713600331
12 and 13 are both ATB games like 4-9 though.

>>713600194
SANDFALL INTERACTIVE

I am still very saddened that it took over a decade, and then a foreign company essentially taking Final Fantasy's lunch and beating them at what they used to do best, to finally give the retard shareholders at Square and Sony this wakeup call.

Part of thinks they'll still fuck it up chasing trends.

>FF related news breaks
>half the discussion is about Barry
Say what you want about him, he truly did destroy the minds of an entire fanbase. He could be dead right now and you poor souls would still be discussing him years from now.

>>713599214 (OP)

>>713600537
He's the king, it's undeniable. What a fucking beast.

>>713600439
Well, on the one hand I think XVI built around party-based turn based combat would have actually been a great final fantasy.

But I also trust Square to take all the wrong lessons and just try to copy E33's combat system which is already a worse version of X's stack system with a dumb timed hits mechanic that breaks every enemy encounter.

>>713599492
By veering the series back to turn based instead of hold O to win?

SEA hours (that includes Aussies, you're just as subhuman) hours are the fucking worst.

>>713599214 (OP)
>expedition 33
>turn based
that's like calling call of duty a game about politics. none of the turn based elements are center stage in E33. even if you play it on expert, if you're trying to do just the main quest, you never once have to worry about party synergies or pictos or lumina or anything. what the game DOES require you to learn, are parry and dodge "whoosh" timings.

>>713599214 (OP)
they do NOT care at ALL
neither about action gameplay NOR turn based combat
they care about YOUR money
16 didn't sell as much as they hoped
now they hope you buy 17 instead
they have NO vision NO passion NO personal interest in the medium
please buy the halfassed remasters and whatever unfinished big sequel we jizz our money into next
our shareholders have us at gunpoint, please...
you remember FF7 on the PS1 right? hey remember Moogles and Chocobos? Please look forward to it!

I never thought I'd see the day where ATLUS and some new company I've never heard of, would topple Square.
When did Square start to fumble so hard, was it between FFXI and XII?

>>713600807
When they merged with Enix it was already the beginning of the end.

>>713600807
When they became Squeenix

>>713599214 (OP)
If you think expedition 33's """turn-based""" system of "close your eyes and hit the parry button when you hear the audio cue" is better than ATB or literally any actual turn-based system you were lobotomized as a child and simply don't remember it.

>>713599214 (OP)
>only 4 out of 16 mainline FF games had turn based battle systems
>the last mainline turn-based Final Fantasy game was 24 years ago
Yeah they totally value turn-based RPGs they totally didn't do their best to abandon turn-based combat for over 20 years now
I'm sure all the Kingdom Hearts style combat bleeding into FF games is just a coincidence
Go ahead and clout chase Expedition 33 tho

>>713600807
X-2

>>713599920
>you have to stagger the enemy
lol no. it's shit. and if not the worst (action)RPG combat ever.

>>713599920
It would be better if the AI wasn't utterly braindead and never builds up AP.

>>713600807
2006 was their last good year

>>713600807
Atlus already surpassed them as developers 20 years ago. FFX was the precipice for Square while at the same time Nocturne was Atlus's springboard

>>713600876
>the beginning of the end
>22 years ago
They'll die any year now, surely

>>713600807
X was their last good Final Fantasy game

>>713599510
>At least I'll always have my precious anti-tendie spam.
The Switch 2 has Remake Intergrade

>>713600954
X-2 has a great battle system.

>>713601014
They already are dead in spirit even if the corpse is still moving

>>713601014
They have Zombie Status, please understand

>>713599651
sad but true.

E33 brought back a world, a world map, atmosphere, varied scenery/worlds, and really a sense of being on a grand journey/epic quest not unlike the LOTR.

also, will continue to not support SE while they keep putting nigs everywhere. DEI will never get a dime from me

>>713599651
>>713599441
The right lesson. Turn based id way better than the shit they have now

>>713600937
>Yeah they totally value turn-based RPGs they totally didn't do their best to abandon turn-based combat for over 20 years now
They are constantly making and releasing turn-based RPGs.
Go ahead and move the goalposts now.
>NOOOO IT HAS TO VERY SPECIFICALLY BE A NUMBERED MAINLINE FINAL FANTASY TITLE WITH A $100M BUDGET

>>713601049
The X-2 combat system was dogshit and one of the worst versions of ATB systems in the Final Fantasy series, the only thing remotely good about it was the job change via costume spheres

Calling it now, FFXVII will be turn-based, and the press and journalists in the West will shit on it to high hell because it's from Japan. Also, it releases at around the same time that Mass Effect 4 comes out so that gets all the praise instead.

>>713599214 (OP)
>command-based
They are mincing words. Kingdom Hearts is technically command-based.

>>713600978
>has to attach a gigachad image
You're a spic manlet irl

>>713601132
Sorry I was talking about the franchise that matters. Not some remake from a dead series that even the fans don't care about anymore

>>713599214 (OP)
>Square said nothing of the like
>Expedition 33 died in 2 weeks
>Square still sells more than a meme game like Expedition even with french shills all over
lmfao. Your game died in two weeks, while Squares are still being played and talked about years later. Cope.

>>713599214 (OP)
>learn nothing from the good story, environment, music, progression, exploration, and feeling from E33 and just copy-paste the parry slop from it
>game flops and they go back to saying people don't like turn-based anymore
Quote me again when 17 or KH comes out.

>>713601204
Kingdom Hearts 1 is also an RPG. If we can at least come back to RPGs I'd still call that a victory.

>>713601227
Whoops my bad

>>713601132
>IT HAS TO VERY SPECIFICALLY BE A NUMBERED MAINLINE FINAL FANTASY TITLE WITH A $100M BUDGET

This is what people really want though.

>>713600807
Over 20 years of bad games will eventually have an impact. But there are FF7 loyalists who will go down with the ship. On SE's final day they will be begging to give them 100,000 dollars each for just one last mobile game with Sephiroth in it.

>>713601325
And then you get thousands of zoomers complaining about "boomer combat" or whatever and the game still "only" sells 3M and we've come full circle.

>>713601267
The story is already just an FF game story. The music is great but Square has never had a problem with music. The environments and world design in E33 suck, worst part of the game. Turn based combat is in fact the one thing they need to take away from it.

>>713599214 (OP)
Wow, so glad to hear the opinion of an """investor"""

>>713601231
cope lol

>>713599214 (OP)

>>713599214 (OP)
Unfortunately, the actual problem is that there is not a shred of soul remaining amongst modern jap devs. Especially at square enix.

>>713601132
Sorry I meant to post this

>>713601174
don't think they have the talent to make turn based combat as good as FFX anymore
inb4 we really get a parry system

>Square Enix

>>713600937
>4 out of 16
ATB is still turn based, retard. Chess doesn't suddenly become football when a clock gets added.

>>713601503
is the first one worth playing

>>713599492
who?

>>713601113
ffxiii was turned based and garbage

>>713599214 (OP)
Never i bought a party based rpg because i'm looking for intense action experience.
Final fantasy and real time action combat is such s terrible mix. It's been decades since i bought one, just pirated to confirm they were trash.

>>713599214 (OP)
Okay but if they do try turn based and fail again it would be the ultimate shame. It's like how Daigo refuses to play Ryu.

>>713601132
>NOOOO IT HAS TO VERY SPECIFICALLY BE A NUMBERED MAINLINE FINAL FANTASY TITLE WITH A $100M BUDGET
Correct.

those suckers will never stop chasing trends will they

>>713601231
>>713601434
ohnonono

FF7 Remake/Rebirth has the best combat this franchise ever had. Going back to regular turn based instead of building on that would be shit. 16 was shit so isnt worth thinking about at all. They should focus on what they did good in FF7 Remake/Rebirth and use that to build FF17.

>>713601583
ATB was made to move away from turn-based. If the enemy gets to attack in real time while i make a decision, it's not turn-based.

>>713601662
Their failure with ff7 is already rock bottom. It was supposed to be their golden goose.

>>713601381
>but Square has never had a problem with music.
bullshit. most XII was shit, most of XIII was shit, most of XIV (since HW) was shit, most of XV was shit and the soundtrack of XVI IS shit.
Same goes for games like I Am Setsuna, etc. all had shit soundtrack.

>>713599214 (OP)
as a western guy myself I gotta say: fuck the west

>>713601716
>FF7 Remake/Rebirth has the best combat this franchise ever had.

>>713599214 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHA
WHERE'S YOUR MODERN AUDIENCE NOW FUCKERS

>>713599214 (OP)
you do realize they just mean they're going to release more shitty ports of the old games

If they really want to do something different they would make it like Baldurs Gate 3.

>>713601725
We used to be able to toggle ATB off though.

>>713601725
>If the enemy gets to attack in real time while i make a decision, it's not turn-based.
Only if you turn on active. Every game has it on wait by default so they can't attack you while you're selecting stuff.
The enemy also can't attack you while you're acting out your turn and vice versa, because its turn based.

>>713601772
>as a western guy myself

>>713601725
>instead to be turn based you have an internal clock
>now I can attack every 2 seconds

>>713601670
I wish people would just say this instead of pretending they care about or want turn-based RPGs and acting like they don't exist.

>>713599214 (OP)
This has never changed
Retards

>>713600807
Atlus jrpgs are all turbo cringe anime weeb incel games. I cant stand them at all.

>>713601791
I've been playing the franchise since the og FF7 on PS1. And before you seethe about me not playing the nes and snes games im in Europe and we didnt get any FF games until FF7.

>>713601583
Wrong, it isn’t turn based if the enemy can still attack you when it’s your turn. Tired of retards not understanding what turn based is, time fucking stops when it’s your or the enemy turns.

ATB sucks. The way FF10 did it was better where it was just regular turn based. ATB makes it feel annoying where you have to pick your moves fast or you get hit.

>>713601905
go back.

>>713601905
You're missing the point. Atlus stole the jarpiggy slop eaters by making superior versions of jarpig trash and never innovating. E33 stole the rest of the market. It's a 1 2 punch leaving square with nothing.

>>713602049
by turn based people mean command based. FF had more command based games than action games. You're being pedantic because you're a nigger with no life.

>>713602084
They literally are. Persona is insanely cringe. I dont know how anyone plays that crap. The only Final Fantasy game as cringe as Atlus JRPGs is FF13 which was also extremely weeb and anime.

>>713599214 (OP)
Okay? And guess what? Their next game will still probably suck. The combat system alone isn't what made FFXV and FFXVI bad.

>>713599214 (OP)

They can use whatever game mechanics they want. It will be destined for trash so long as their "ethics department" turn games into colorless unsexy agender SJW-fests.

>>713599214 (OP)
I think the main issue is action with braindead easy combat don't mix. They want the game to be mechanically easy but also action oriented to rack in more people.
But to me, if someone is seeking an action game, they want the thrill of the challenge. Look at the action rpgs around, unless you are witcher 3, the combat will be brutal, mechanical depth, a lot of options, a steep learning curve, or some combination. Boring action is the worst package you can create.
Their game design is all retarded.

>>713602084
Modern Atlus is a disgrace. They were on a hot streak from P3 through Catherine but all the soul died there. They regressed and now they just make the same game over and over and over with increasingly less passion.

>>713601867
Yea because SE has had turn base games come out like octopath and live a live. I think these people don’t even play turn base games and just want to bitch

>>713601132
>HAS TO VERY SPECIFICALLY BE A NUMBERED MAINLINE FINAL FANTASY TITLE WITH A $100M BUDGET
Yes, retard
I like Final Fantasy
I do not care about Romancing Gays or Bravely Shit or Octoshart Traveler.

I still havent played FF16. I'm waiting for it to just get added to something like PS Plus or Gamepass as it doesnt seem like it worth actually paying for.

>>713602172
Square isnt doing the same

Exp33 atole atlus thunder
Atlus never atole from ff at all
Its more like atlus shit itself with metaflop

>>713602180
No I being factual because it’s TURN based combat, look up what turn means you retard

FF bros when will the humiliation end?

>>713602371
you play each of your 4 niggas by turn.

>>713602297
Fake final fantasy fan, you probably aren’t even old enough to have played fucking FFX

This is a double edged sword considering their new inspiration is e33

>>713600807
FF The Spirits Within really
Tbhon personally don't think SE dropped off all that hard really, enough games published and by them I enjoyed

Soulless trend chasing cowards. At least have some convictions. You don't get to pretend you ACHUALLLY love turn-based games when you abandoned them in pursuit of the "modern audience."

>>713599214 (OP)
Kek ff is still king forever
People genuinely dont care about anything else but ff
Poor atlus, poor exp33
They are just tools for people to use to get what they really want

>>713602049
You're the retard that doesn't understand what turn based is.
>the enemy can still attack you when it’s your turn
When you're not doing anything, yes. But when you take your turn by actually inputing a command, they can't do shit, regardless of active or wait. No one can attack or do anything while someone is casting a spell or swinging their sword, everyone has to wait for the animation.
It is a turn based system.

If you use a limit break in FF7, everyone has to wait for your turn to finish. If you use a limit break in FF7R, you can just get beat to death while your overly long animation plays out. Can you guess which one is turn based and which isn't?

>>713602449
nah I have faith in yoshida, he will make sure to strip any soulfulness from whatever copy of e33 he will cook.

>>713602510
They have been making turn based games since forever you retard

>>713602512
Feel better now?

>>713599214 (OP)
The issue was never about turn-based or not turn-based. It's all about making sure you have an interesting story and setting with challenging gameplay.

>>713602596
Yeah, it just shows whos the actual king and what they actually want

>>713599574

Yes.

>>713602330
Atlus will keep making "true" jarpig trash. They have a solid niche audience of retards who will buy everything they produce like pokemon fans. You can't tell me it is game quality because it is the same game over and over.

>>713602230
kys plebbitor

>>713602615
it's the whole package

>>713602569
Only took over a decade and half to be fucked to correction

The last good FF was 12, since then they've been on a steady decline. FF7R saved them, until everyone realised they changed the story so you can basically also ignore Rebirth onwards. Entire studio needs a reshuffle, but I feel like it's too late and there's no real talent to replace.

>>713602371
ATB was a speed bar to reach your next turn to take an action. The option to allow enemies act immediately when they reached their turn was just that, an option on the menu.

>>713599214 (OP)
>we'll continue making turn based games
Like the Bravely series, yeah. They didn't commit to anything FF mainline related there.

>>713601583
>ATB is still turn based
Wrong, if it were, they wouldn´t call it ATB

>>713599214 (OP)
No, Shit Enix cant make turn based fun so keep it real time.

>>713602615
I don't know about that last part since most of FF is easy enough, but those other aspects have definitely been lacking. These worlds they created used to be quite immersive and felt like a proper adventure.

>>713600018
He already said a hundred times that he's not doing anything but SaGa games until his retirement, and why the fuck would they even put him to work on a mainline FF since the suits hate him and he hates being forced to cater to casuals?
Even the mandated RS2 remake that turned out to be dogshit was something he distanced himself from and you think he'll waste time on a new FF? Last time they forced him to work on FF was 12 and he hated it.

>>713599214 (OP)
New big budget Voice of Cards confirmed

if you want turn based, build off FFX
if you want action, build off KH2
it's really not that hard you dumb cancer patients

>>713599214 (OP)
It's not about turn based games. Shareholders are retarded as usual.

>>713602750
You think ATB is it's own genre or something? Its turn based.

>>713602751
They can't make anything fun.

>>713599214 (OP)
Yeah, and their women shouldn't wear shoes, either.

>>713602750
There's a reason why many people think ATB means Active Turn Based

>>713599771
I think the new SE president is also less stubborn (but still guilty to an extent, mind you) about seeing and accepting writing on the wall. He had FF16 and FF7R2 both come out to underperforming sales soon after he took over and he quickly came to the conclusion of "yeah we can't afford this exclusivity bullshit anymore".

>>713601589
Eh, not really when the second game exists. It's a strict improvement, and one of the greatest RPGs ever.

>>713599214 (OP)
FF16 combat was so turbo fucking garbage. The whole stagger system that Square has been obsessed with since 13 is already bad for turn based games but it's even worse action ones.

Imagine if in DmC, million stab was on a cooldown, but not only is it a cooldown, there's a stagger system that is soft locking you into saving said million stab for only when the enemy's been staggered to maximize your damage. What a piece of shit. Glad BG3, SMT/Persona, and Expedition 33 have come around to shatter this delusion that turn based gameplay is somehow out

>>713602683
12 was not good in any shape or form.

>>713599287
KWABOTY

>>713599287

ATB is just a glorified initiative system, there is very little active about it

When I played FFXV I was hoping it is just a misstep. Now I know it was an indicator where the company is gonna go. I have zero faith in anything Final Fantasy at this point. In fact I am thinking they will somehow fuck up the tactics rerelease.

>>713603002
More importantly he's not blind to the fact that their frequent output of very mediocre AA games has been going nowhere for several years and ditched quite a few projects.

>>713603067
kek

>>713599384

FF7R combat system is actually fine. The game is failing because of retarded story changes.

>>713603509
how is it that the remake materia system is inferior to it from the ps1? how do you fuck up the most important part

>>713603509
Why not both? FF7R combat is most certainly not fine

>>713603509
If only they had him...

Here is the peak soulless move to pull:

>THE Final Fantasy
>2DHD turn based
>Advertised as the next main series entry
>basically Fire Emblem Engage where you use crystals to summon all the heroes from the previous games
>NEVER BEFORE SEEN CROSSOVER OF ALL WORLDS (Shut the fuck up about dissidia zoomers don't know how psp looks like)
>multiply marketing budget by 2
>2DHD means we can cut development budget by 5 but let's cut it by 10 because why not
>actually sells

>>713602752
One part of that is the overworld map in old FFs really helped make it feel like a huge adventure. And then in FF7 all the side activities and mini-games (some being part of the main story itself) helped make it feel like one of those epic journeys where the hero did lots of different trials and shit.

People don't actually want turn based games. E33 was rollslop/parryslop and Metaphor sold like shit compared to P5 because it got rid of the dating sim elements.

>>713599214 (OP)
Now they just need to actually create a fun turn based system that isn't shitty like all the prior FF games

>>713603581
the more they nostalgiafag, the more the brand stagnates, which is already near terminal at this stage. at some point, they need to make a modern classic that can stand on its own rights, or just shelve the IP and do something new.

>>713599287
buck broken

ATB with E33 combat would literally be an action game...

>>713603674
This lol
Exp33 is a placebo
All the rpg elements all irrelevant considering parry and dodge

SquareEnix already releases more turn based rpgs than any other company. Why don't you buy any of them?

>>713599492
The fag that likes FF15? No he also lost. Lol, fuckin loser. Yoshit is also a bitch

>>713603674
Then just make a dating sim like original FF7 then

>>713603819
what even is this

>>713603819
anime graphics

>>713599214 (OP)
>FF7 Remake was so fucking bad the FF fandom is going to psyop an 8/10 budget title to GOTY status to get their precious turn based combat back just for the next FF entry to suck anyways for the multitude of other reasons modern FF sucks ass

If so it'll be the first mainline FF game i'll actually buy since FF10.

>>713603819
Because FF fans don't actually care about turn based combat, they just say they do, all they want is something that tickles their nostalgia and they want it to sell more than anything else so they can look down on other franchises even more than they already do, despite FF being one of the most embarassingly bad JRPG series ever.
See why they're attaching themselves to E33, another dogshit moviegame engineered to cater to that dying breed.

>>713603906
This is a website founded by a gay boy from New York for the purpose of discussing anime & manga. If you don't like anime you need to go back and pay for our wall.

>>713603674
Metaphor sold like shit because the setting and character design was garbage, and yes the no romance also didn't help. But regardless this only proves that turn bases isn't the issue

>>713603819
Because they just love being obtuse

>>713603819
People don't really want to pay full price for low budget games

>>713603928
They should hire a new director and have him dogeza and say that every FF has sucked dick since FF10. This will actually bring the fans back

>>713603819
if they dont care enough to give it the final fantasy budget, why should i care enough to buy it

>>713599214 (OP)
i don't want them to make any dragon quest games because all of them all slow boring shit

>>713603952
You can plug SMTVV in there instead of Metaphor and it's the same thing. Persona 5 is an outlier and E33 isn't a turn based game, it has very active combat. Like >>713603765 says, you can't make an ATB game with E33 combat or else it's legitimately just an on rails action game where you don't have to move your character or care about positioning.

>>713604083
Translation
>The internet is now filled with turd world & former soviet poors spamming in impotent rage

>>713604109
rebirth is literally in top 3 ff games and jrpgs you retarded pig shit for brain

>>713604109
FF10 also sucked pretty bad to be fair. It was the first FF I stopped playing out of boredom.
They should just put whoever made the first Bravely Default on it with oversight not to make another BD2 desu.

>>713604187
how can you live with yourself when you cope this hard in the face of reality? you are a coward

>>713599601
But i don't think Bazza even knows FF2 exists?

>Continue developing such games
This just means their turn-based games are going to continue to the most bargain bin trash possible and nothing will change

>>713604235
He's right, it's up there for the best modern RPG along with BG3.

The people who dedicate their lives to being anti turn based FF out of some bizarre loyalty to 7R need to support FF17 being turn based. When it fails they can be proven right about turn based not being the draw people claim it is. But they seem very scared of turn based games doing well, so they aren't even willing to risk giving a turn based FF17 a chance.

>>713604187
Nah Nomura and his Kingdom Hearts bullshit is a cancer. SoP also sucks. Go back to working on Varrum Rex or whatever. It will probably get canceled anyways

>>713600434
At least Nomura is a good artist. Yoshitpiss though...

>>713603952
IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE
THEY HAVE NEVER SAID IT WAS AN ISSUE

>>713604286
they're both tranny fag dei games anon. kys

>>713604187
>rebirth is literally in top 3 ff games and jrpgs you retarded pig shit for brain

That's why it only sold 2m lol

>>713600130
Newfag, Barry is an action combat chad

>>713599287
buttfucked and full of horse cum, hopefully he never touches a final fantasy again.

>>713599214 (OP)
Yeah, sure. Copy that garbage. That helps.

>>713604158
Having interactive elements in your turn based game doesn't mean that your game stops being turn based lol

By that logic Legend of Dragoon isn't turn based because of the addition system. And SMTV sold very well, thank you very much

>>713604187
Anon you have people here who overshilled metaphor to forgot about it 1 month later and exp33 who was just ok but still an unbalanced mess
Its just shit tier taste around, dont expect people here to agree

>>713604291
They are zoomers. Their first introduction to gaming was Dark Souls.

>>713604217
>FF10 also sucked pretty bad to be fair.
It's literally one of the most well liked FF entries. If you think FF10 sucked you just don't like final fantasy as a whole.

They NEED Yoko taro on a Final Fantasy game...

>>713604321
As opposed to something like DQ11 that has Sylvando?or Ys9 that had Chante? Fucking retard lmao.

>>713604451
>If you think FF10 sucked you just don't like final fantasy as a whole.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>713603509
I liked R combat, tbf, but Shirtbirths combat sucked.

>>713604291
Even if FFXVII goes turn based and is really good normals will still avoid it for being a game written by Japanese people that's not from Capcom. Remember that appealing to fans isn't enough for profits these days.

>>713603909
whatever the next frenchie game will be will be the final nail in the coffin of shitenix
this was their FF1 and it already mogs most of the actual FF franchise

>>713604468
those are also both tranny fag dei games you fucking retard

>>713604451
>It's literally one of the most well liked FF entries
Yeah, by people who enjoy walking down corridors and watching cutscenes.
Any game without an overworld map isn't a real final fantasy game.

>>713604441
>Having interactive elements in your turn based game doesn't mean that your game stops being turn based lol
It explicitly does if the game is copying E33.

>And SMTV sold very well, thank you very much
It sold 2/3rds of E33 despite getting the rerelease.

>>713603573
>a history of kino
That man earned his eternal vacation in Hawaii.

>>713604187
>rebirth is literally in top 3 ff games
This nigga is showing his age. Get some fucking taste.

Square Enix honestly needs a return to form game that is a blast to play

I feel like I'm going insane here with some of opinions being spouted here. As if I'm looking at a late 2000s G4 show but as a thread.

>>713599574
You're be surprised how many people are braindead.
One of these days someone will post that FF VI screenshot.

Unless you're some room temp IQ retard E33 isn't hard, actually easier than some older JRPGs.

>>713604539
Name 5 based modern JRPGs then.

>>713604647
there aren't any. the last halfway decent jrpg was persona 5 like 30 years ago

>>713600761
This. I'm surprised anyone has hope for SE

>>713599214 (OP)
>square value turn based RPGs
Is that why they spent the last 20 years trying to get as far away from them as possible?

>>713604701
Royal even ruins it by adding DEI shit. Sad. P3R pozzed itself too.

>>713600116
It wishes it was kh2

>>713604558
It doesn't even implicitly make your game an action game let alone explicitly. I'll reiterate, the addition system didn't stop LoD from being turned based, and that game's combat is, by all accounts, far more active than Expedition 33.

>>713604701
>purseowner
>basic bitch mechanics but with anime high school cringe
Homo opinions are discarded

Still not playing their garbage. Japanese don't know how to make proper JRPGs. Leave it to the west. We can do it better as clearly seën with E33

>>713599979
They'll make some turn based autobattler bullshit because they think their players are drooling retards and should not be given any agency in making decisions during combat

>>713600761
Well yeah, no shit. They're a company selling a product. They should be making what people want to buy. Just make a dating sim turn based RPG where I can date hot girls like Tifa. Its not hard. They're just retards

>>713604829
>because they think their players are drooling retards and should not be given any agency in making decisions during combat
They're right, if they were wrong SaGa would sell millions.

>>713604829
>they think their players are drooling retards
Are they wrong?

>>713600807
I'm absolutely positive Atlus has been toppling them in terms of profit for years now.

>>713601640
>Auto-battle slop
XIII was the progenitor of gatcha gameplay.

>>713604609
Yes, being gay should also be illegal. Most opinions here haven't changed since 2000

>>713604883
I've already sworn off anything they ever make in basically record time. they're way too fucking greedy satanic and pozzed

>>713604883
Not with Metaflop taking 7 years to make and only selling 2 mm

>>713600116
15's gameplay is dogshit compared to 2.

>>713604609
There's a lot of offsite faggots in FF threads for some reason.

>>713604503
>Remember that appealing to fans isn't enough for profits these days
That's a corporate myth.
The correct approach is appeal to fans, the normies will fly towards it because it's the new trend to surf.

X-2 had better combat than X and I'm tired of faggots not recognizing it

>>713604802
E33 has combat that requires you to dodge and parry multiple strikes. If you add a timer that counts down and the enemy automatically attacks when it runs out, it's just an ARPG that has a bar that shows the wind up times. It's legitimately a Soulslike on rails.

Removing ATB from Final Fantasy just turns it into Dragon Quest. Wanting an E33 style Final Fantasy game is just wanting an action rpg which Square is already doing except heavily dumbed down. Stranger of Paradise already happened and was fantastic if you want rollslop/parryslop.

>>713604981
Fuck I wish ffxv combat was as good as kh2

>>713603067
fucking kek

>>713605053
But it was faggy and gay.

>>713605053
We all recognise it though? It was it's one redeeming quality, that and the dresspheres. Rest was cringe.

>>713604609
What you're looking at is E33's army of paid Indian shills
It's a govt-funded game so they can afford to pay for marketing for years to come to control the narrative

>>713603819
BD2 was just boring as fuck

>>713599214 (OP)

>>713605101
Hey I got a great idea guys. Lets make a Final Fantasy appealing to ugly fujos who like Kingdom Hearts instead of heterosexual men. This will sell and improve our image. Also lets get rid of turn based

e33 is soulless trannyslop thoughevbeit

>>713605109
>hot chicks in skimpy outfits is gay!
>I need to look at uh... hot men in skimpy outfits?

Jesus, nobody realizes how actual homo bro-culture is?

>>713605249
>This will sell
You cannot argue this, FFXV outsold literally every other FF ever made. They did something right.

>>713604851
You can create a product, run a successful company and still have passion for the art. It's what Square Soft used to be.
Why did it take so long for games like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy to come to the West?
Because they made them despite thinking that the West wouldn't buy them. They made it for their own country because these were the worlds and games they wanted to create.
Now the main goal is to appeal to as many people as possible, we need the people that play GTA and CoD to somehow care about FF17. The number has to go up as much as possible.
More marketing, less gameplay complexity and world depth.

>>713605091
You've yet to address the issue of Legend of Dragoon and I doubt you ever will because it's inconvenient to your sophistry.

>>713605101
and people will say 13 didn't kill the franchise for introducing this auto battle and temu-tier action combat

>>713605324
Well they did because XV alone was marketed for almost 10 years.

>>713605316
Girls being gay is still gay.

Oh no no no no no Yoshi bros.....

>>713605349
the issue is that’s a good game and e33 is not

>>713605392
Girls are a positive, men are a negative.

Positive + Positive = Positive
Negative + Negative = Negative

The numbers don't lie, and they say you are gay

>>713605349
I have it downloaded but I've yet to play it so I'm not going to comment on something I haven't played. Does it have both Super Mario RPG combat and ATB?

>>713605495
the lengths you faggots will go to deny that your fucking remake is pozzed

>>713605316
>dad walks in

>>713605324
>They did something right.
they released in 2016 after normalfags had already saturated the market. it's hard to take new movie or videogame release records seriously anymore because the market of people consuming content is just way bigger than it used to be. it's like boasting that more people are breathing air today than ever before. it was also the first new entry after the playerbase got raped with 13 and it's sequels for years and an MMO (that crashed on launch and had to be revived later).

>>713599214 (OP)
the problem with FF is the faggot protags and not the real time combat, lmao yall fuckers are clueless. No one outside of japan and your sissy boi discord likes playing as some effeminate twink.

Can't wait for normie seethe when the next FF isn't a button masher particle tech demo, it's going to be fucking glorious.

Once E33 hit 3 million in sales we haven't heard anything since. Sounds like it will only sell around FF16 and 7 Remake numbers. If it's above them it won't be by much.

>>713605656
This. Square considers any game that sells less than 15m units to be a commercial failure. Even FFXV was a failure to them and led to the cancellation of half the DLCs.

normie

>>713605656
that's good as fuck for a literal who company's first game.
many well established franchises don't hit 3M on a single game after 2 decades.

>>713605316
whatever you need to tel yourself to believe this wasn't girly and lame bro lol. if your friends caught you playing this when it came out, you were getting made fun of - no ifs, ands, or buts. same with kingdom hearts. if you wanna play the cool relatable gooner angle you should be talking about dead or alive beach volleyball from around the same time.

Feels good just liking all types of games

Here is what I would do to make FF good again.

>turn based like FF X-2
>force Yoko Taro to design all the hot female leads. Make sure all of them look as good as Eve from Stellar Blade or 2B
>Dating Sim is mandatory since most of the audience is 30+ and zoomers aren't getting laid anyway
>Pay off Sakaguchi as a contractor to write the story
>Do NOT have Ethics department have any input. You can just say you're following their guidelines but ignore it if you're getting pressured by Blackrock

Everyone’s memeing but the real downfall was FF13. 12 was experiemental action but was still basically turn-based and had heavy rog elements. FF 13 was when they decided to move away from turn-based into real action combat. It was this halfway in-between slop that didn’t know what it wanted to do. Gameplay wise it had the typical atb bar and you’d only get to make superficial choices. Storywise, it wanted to “capture the feeling of FF7” again without understanding why people liked it (literally why it opens with a train scene) but all it did was turn into an incomprehensible mess that you had to read an in-game booklet to understand the Jargon. The characters were entirely forgettable because no one knew what was happening, save for the fuckability of the women and the guy with the chocobo in his hair.

It was 4 discs long to hold the cutscenes but most people barely got through 2. It had two sequels to coup the costs of the game which were better but still mediocre and had nonsense time-travel plots as well. Afterwards, they never learned their fucking lesson for any of the games besides Yoshi-P being able to turn FF14 from dogshit into a good product by streamlining most of the issues of the original launch and making it playable. But even that is indicative for the biggest issues at squeenix because the main problem with Ff14 now is that everything is too fucking streamlined. They also stuck a tranny in there.

The only game so far that has gotten the action-rpg genre right at square enix, that fucking isn’t KH2, is FF7: Rebirth because it actually has snappier, precise combat. Even then though, it still somehow managed to fuck up literally translating the FF7 plot by adding in more multi-universe bullshit.

Time-travel was a big part of FF1 and 8 and they were panned for doing it. It’s like there’s a wack-a-mole problem at Squeenix where they have the same retarded issues popping up for their games and they can never squash all of them.

>>713605735
this

>>713605715
Because the cost and development of the Luminous engine was a huge setback for them.

FF started to lose good will with the XIII release. From that point on, there was a slow downfall coupled with the fact that SE had very unrealistic sales numbers too.

13 was the first game sakaguchi had nothing to do with. it never got good again

>>713599214 (OP)

They had no business trying to make Dragon Quest anything other than turn based though. Hopefully they won´t insist with the mature dark angle either. Dragon Quest is meant to stay close to it´s roots and classic, there would be no point in ruining it like they did Final Fantasy.

Speaking of which they can do whatever with that IP, it´s already beyond repair anyways. I just hope they leave all the old ones alone except for VII.

>>713605795
ignorance is bliss

>>713606003
DQ seems cooked with the death of toriyama and their composer while also trying to shift the gameplay. there hasn't been an update in so long unless i missed it.

>>713606114
I'm not surprised if it's shit even without that. XI was the worst DQ game I played

>>713605816
as someone that actually really likes 12 today as an adult, i remember having a huge beef with vaan as a kid, right from the moment they revealed his gay ass crop top art, and i didn't like 12 as much as i should have because of it. for me, it was the first FF game that i didn't totally felate and go nuts for, so it marked the beginning of the decline. FF13 raped my dog and burnt my house down. i'd never been so upset at an FF game. sold my whole PS3 and the game for like $100 the day after i rolled credits and never purchased another FF game or console again to this day.

>>713606114
bruh fr its not cooked yet you reactionary ahhh
let them cook bruh on godzilla

>>713599287
crashing this plane

>>713606143
12 is the greatest game in the series not counting spinoffs like Tactics.

>>713599287
living cozy and rent free in your head while being virtually untouchable

>>713606143
Anon it’s been 16 years and you can safely know you were right not to.

I think gaming as a whole really started to nsoedive at around 2010 brcause of the insane load times of a blu-ray. Everything, EVERYTHING, became so heavy realism focuses that it underminded everyone’s efforts to create a compelling game.

>>713605816
13 is when it got bad, but you can see with X and the Enix Merger the beginning of the end. X is still a great game, but the writing was on the wall.

>>713606143
i like 13-2

>>713606060
Misery is a choice

>>713599214 (OP)
Fuck ATB
Fuck Hallways
Fuck Spheres.

>>713606265
12 was just 11 lite. 11 has changed since those days but that's why you'll see people jerk off over 11, it was multiplayer 12 with final fantasy 5's job system.

>>713606460
Never played 11 because I was 12 when it came out and had no money. My parents weren't going to buy a hard drive for my PS2 AND pay a subscription fee.

>>713606521
>Never played 11
Then you haven't lived. You have no right to say what the best FF game is if you haven't played them all.
Go play it right now. It's on Steam.

>>713599214 (OP)
Gutless trend chasers. Not just that, but BLIND, gutless trend chasers at that. Pokemon has been dominating with a turn based system for decades now.

>>713606452
>you take the red sphere from the room then walk back to where you got the green sphere and insert it there and take the green sphere to the red sphere and merge it into the orange sphere which then goes into the receptacle right that the start of the dungeon where you'll now find the blue sphere...

F U C K S P H E R E S

>>713601132
>>NOOOO IT HAS TO VERY SPECIFICALLY BE A NUMBERED MAINLINE FINAL FANTASY TITLE
Yes. Budget can be whatever, I don't care. I just want another game like V, VI, or IX in the FF series.

>>713606604
>Pokemon has been dominating
>Pokemon
KEKYPOOPYJEJ

>>713599214 (OP)
>the baguettes saved DQ from becoming rollslop

holy basedoli

>>713606114

I agree that with Toriyama gone there seems to be no point but we are all grown ups here, let´s not pretend something like that can stop the suits at SE.

>>713599214 (OP)
>Turn based parry slops
Even worse than action flops.

>>713606265
crazy to say that i agree. the world felt the most like a real place that people lived in of any of them thanks to ivalice having a lot of pre-existing stuff to draw from and the localization team's unmatched-to-this-day fucking kino translation. but again, as a kid i couldn't appreciate any of that at all and all i saw was possibly the gayest protagonist of any game i'd ever seen up to that point. just LOOK at this art. this is what they were promo'ing in magazines at the time.

>>713601132
Hey guys, I know we ruined our franchise forever because we were chasing the Witcher 3 and Game of Thrones audience, but you should buy these other franchises that you've never heard of

>>713606604
Pokemon does not dominate because of its battle system

>>713599214 (OP)
Turd based is garbage. Whites ruined gaming.

>>713599920
Whites aren't intelligent enough for it

>spheres
https://files.catbox.moe/xzt4mw.mp3

>>713599214 (OP)
>make shitty combat with cutscenes every 5 fucking seconds
>wahhhhhhhhhhhh back to turn based

Its still probably not going to happen, they put out turn based games yearly. DQ and FF are tainted by being 30+ year old franchises and thus have a certain among of baggage in terms of visual identity but world building. S-E just needs a new turn based IP that isn't Octopath.

>>713606521
>Never played 11
Brother, FFXI PRE Wings of the Goddess expansion is GOATED.

>>713605279
>trannyslop
that's square enix, sorry ranjeet.

>>713606604
pokemon "dominates" because it has a fanbase of japanese disney adult fanboys with 0 standards

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
never
EVER trust leftists
leftists are responsible for ALL the shit game decisions made in the past 10 years
Leftists are not people

>>713606894
You mean whites. Gaming was fine when it was Japanese.

FFX is based
hope SquareEnix dies

>>713599214 (OP)
>Finally learn their lesson but only after utterly butchering the remake for one of the most loved games ever
Yeah thanks

>>713606853
>square refuses to release classic servers
i hate it, all they need to do is add more instances to things like dynamis and limbus.

! That’s not just because of them, Tactics must be doing really well. It would be great to get a fucking legitimate Final Fantasy out of these bastards again

>>713606741
Still has some of the best voice acting in a FF game too.

>>713606958
Gaming was fine with whites too.
Deus Ex is still the best game ever made.

just fuck my shit up

>>713606981
Wow

The VIII and IX remaster are notably dogshit as well

>>713599287
YoShit Piss is my most hated SquareEnix developer. I've hated him for years. Every word out of his mouth was antagonizing legacy fans that built SquareSoft. I don't care if they lock him in a FF14 room for eternity, keep him away from every SE IP. I fucking despise FF16. YOSHIT PISS

I can't fucking believe we're finally getting another FFX
I love Guillaume Broche so much

>>713604872
If you put it that way, I have to agree with you

>>713607000
>>we lost the source code and a good portion of FFXI devs worked on XIV, who then left to work on Korean MMOs/Blue Protoculled.
Ftfy

>>713607132
This, I even trust Nomura more than him

>>713607147
he won

Do you still want them to keep to the cinematic route and just have solid turn-based gameplay or do you want them to go back to highly customizable gameplay with jobs and such?

>>713607132
seek help

>>713607147
FFX was my second favorite FF but it's one of the lowest on my "i wish this got an update" list. it's still perfectly playable and presentable and at least IMO wouldn't benefit all that much from a graphical lift and really only stands to lose quality with any gameplay changes or alterations they make. it should've been FF8 or FF9 first, but i get why they chose 10 - it sold really well. it's a smarter business decision even if it's a boring artistic one.

>>713607045
Whites from the 90s is not the same as whites from 2025

>>713606854
e33 is trannyslop

>>713599214 (OP)
it is not happening, stop believing squenix is capable of anything anymore
they will absolutely put out turn based games, they will just be shoestring budget dogshit staff zero length the worst pixel art you've ever seen 2dhd garbage games. they will not commit budget or staff or time to it, because none of their current higher ups actually value or enjoy rpg systems, they are chasing an audience even more retarded than they themselves are and they themselves are pretty retarded and want to watch movies and play games with one hand holding down one button and not thinking about numbers as they repeatedly admit

>>713606143
I have 12 and 13 downloaded recently but haven't played them yet. Should I just delete them and save some space?

>>713607252

But the combat was the worst thing about exp33, it would have been better if it was action, it wouldn't have dumb shit like 1 shotting the final boss because you dared to do characters quests before it

Just please. PLEAAAASE DONT MAKE IT SOME MATURE SLOP STORY! Make some old-school FF Ghibli-esque game with great semi-realistic graphics, mixed with high fantasy and minimal steampunk a la Baten Kaitos, with an interesting, complex and deep battlesystem that is easy to learn, hard to master. Do not shit out ethicboard approved designs OR narratives, bring back next-gen, NEXT FUCKING GENERATION fmv's, bring Uematsu back for one last gig (fantasian is too sad of a final for a man like that) and..and i will buy your game.

>>713607252
They're more likely to since 30yo boomer parents are so easily swayed.
Most parents in the 90s told teachers and doctors to fuck off.

>>713607223
I'm dumb as fuck about these things and technology and shit, but I still can't understand why remasters almost always look worse than the original
And it's not a
>you're just nostalgic bro
thing because I was never that into FFX

>>713607265
they're not some shitty indie studio. they're a shitty AAA developer and i'll hold them to those standards.

>>713607320
you lost

>>713607132
why do seanigs hate him so much? is it the chinknigger influence?

>>713599214 (OP)
BARRY MARCHES ON UNDEFEATED

>>713607358
Doesnt play games argument

>>713607416
I won, ugly gook

>>713607252
Turn based is for retards

>>713607358
>1 shotting the final boss because you dared to do characters quests before it
have you ever played any ff before 12 zoomzoom?

>>713607371
PS2 version was made by talented and passionate Square Soft artists
Remaster was made by an outsourced Chinese team that couldn't give less of a fuck for a quick buck

>>713607327
12 is worth it 100% at least in my opinion even if its systems won't be for everyone, but for the love of god stay away from 13.

>>713607472
Agreed, give us a 2D grid tactics game.

>>713599993

HE WON. YOSHI PISS LOST BIGLY.

>>713607303
I agree absolutely. I worded my post badly, forgot there is another remake coming. Let me try again:
I can't believe we're finally getting another new mainline FF game with strict turn-based combat exactly like FFX

>>713607265
Cinematics should be used as a reward and a "wow" factor only.
Turn based, party composition and job systems are the best. Companions with fixed roles are acceptable as well, a job system can be overwhelming for a lot of people.

>>713607371
It’s because most of their old data is lost and they often have to redo things from scratch for these remasters. Then things get outsourced to cut costs.

>>713606595
With the worst account creation system known to man and you STILL have to pay a subscription.

>>713606756
You are correct and yet pokemon does have the most well thought out, most complex, and yet still simple battle system of any of the AAA industry devs. Pokemon's systems shit all over Atlus and Square, but they won't be seen in a game beyond 4th gen ever again, unless you play online.

>>713607320
total JRPG defeat. welcome to the new FRPG genre

>all the retarded "DQ isn’t going to be turn based and is going to be le edgy" retards and retards who think toriyama is more important to the series than just a simple art style retards are here
ALL THE RETARDS ARE HER

>>713607452
but i did play it and i one shotted renoir without touching tower, simon place, clea place so it's not like i did everything
>>713607479
i played 10

>>713607508
I'm really interested by 12 because it's the same artist as Vagrant Story and I really liked his art. What's so horrible about 13? With FF fans it's hard to tell because their opinions is usually all or nothing.

>>713607327
13 is horrible. I still want my 25 hours back and i played it a decade ago. I regret wasting my time on it.

>>713603067
Anon you silly goose.

>>713607132
The most retarded dipshit in the world honestly. Imagine being a zoomer retard or a gen Alpha that doesn't understand turn based games. Young people are not playing DMC FF16 either. They're playing Roblox and Minecraft

>>713607584
>jrpg western slop
>:)

>>713607584
FRPG GAWDS

>>713607327
12 is worth a chance, 13 isn't.

>>713606981
When your remaster is a port of a psvita port, that tends to happens

>>713607584
kek

>>713599214 (OP)
>no source

>>713607320
There's not a single trans in E33. They will fix that in E34 or whatever the sequel will be called and make the entire party LGBTQ.

>>713607538
kino I had the superior idea though, it shouldnt be grid just lines like in Baldurs Gay 3 but without the gay shit.

The story would be christian kino, the protagonist is religious but internally he is a "demon" so its a tragic byronic hero that has to defy his "nature" to be a good person, he has party members a love interest and some edgy darwinist atheist alien companion at the late game that encourages him to kill. The story should contrast some analogue for Christian Morality with Darwinist Nitzchesean Atheism & also they are fighting some analogy for Muslims some death cult of some kind.

>>713607675
They're playing Fortnite.

>>713607775
the entire fanbase are trans

Fuck yoshit piss. NEVER EVER allow Final Fantasy to do what FF16 did again.

>A white man is now king of the Japanese RPG genre
You can't make this shit up.

next FF will be a CRPG designed for console players

>>713607815
>a final fantasy fan
>trying to play the "you're all trannies" card
lmaooooooooo

>>713607873
>here’s that straight white man i been telling you about
OH NO NONO NO NO ONONON AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>713607371
A lot of visual effects tend to break when they port the games to newer consoles, and they don't bother fixing them. I've noticed that transparency is the most common effect that gets broken in remasters.

>>713607789
>>713607675
Cast: Zoom

>>713607907
e33 is the pinnacle of tranny entertainment

>>713607873
kino

>>713600725
This. It clearly destroys the entime gameplay system SO much that the only way to to interact with combat is you can ONLY avoid damage those ways.

>>713608007
Turd based needs to die

>>713600936
This.

>>713601132
No, they should make it just to crash and burn so these people run out of excuses

>>713608093

>>713607873
he won

>>713607930
Never had Thomas seen a buck this broken.

>>713608002
No, that's FNV.
e33 is just French people being French.

>>713608093
turn BASED is the only thing that can save shit enix from the brink of bankruptcy

>>713607873
Gaming needs to be Japanese only

>>713599214 (OP)
>>713599287
Watch them lie and backtrack to making action games again. This comment means nothing when there’s no commitment

>>713603237
They already are with no WoTL content and the ugly UI and graphics

>>713608093
Don't you gotta go to work today zoomie? Oh yeah nevermind. Management probably fired you

>>713599287
expedition 33-ed

>>713601132
>points to literal who zips with no fucking sales. Nigger.

>>713608093
The boomers are the ones actually buying the games.

>>713607657
the art is great and the world is really just next level man. i hope you like it. 13 - where to start? it's a bastardized real time system that feels terrible to play and doesn't feature modern real time upgrades like dodges or parries or aiming. the level up progression tree is like if they took the sphere grid from ff10, reduced it to 5% of its size, and gave you one track for each 'class'. the characters, world, and story are beyond stupid. even their NAMES are stupid
>Lightning
>Snow
>Hope
>Fang
are you fucking kidding me? you get barraged with proper nouns from the very first minute of the game and somehow can complete the whole story only vaguely understanding what the fuck a fal'cie is. people made fun of veilguard recently for the elganon and ghilinain line but holy shit - take a shot every time you hear fal'cie or l'cie and you'll be dead before the prologue is done. i challenge anyone to draw a map of Coccoon's interior layout and it's the setting you spend the most time in for the first ~25 hours. imagine getting through ff7 and not knowing how midgar's sectors are shaped or connect. or ff8 without knowing the rough size and scale of balamb garden. i need to stop because this is already becoming an illegible wall of text.

>>713608150
>le buckbroken
>defending a soiboi
grim

>>713599287
gommaged

>>713599441
FF16 might have been salvaged if it was turnbased. Unironically.

If the game was turnbased where you controlled a party of characters instead of a singular player-character.
Then the game would have had an incentive to keep more of its characters alive so that they could actually be part of your party as you played the game.
And if your party had a wider cast of characters travelling with you, then exploration of the world would have been richer as you'd have a wider cast to react the events and corners of the world that you'd find. And the devs would be incentivized to progress multiple character stories which would pretty naturally fill the explorable world with more meaningful content.

It's kind of fascinating how singular design decisions can cascade to have awful consequences. I really have no idea why they insist on making Final Fantasy action games where you have a designated protagonist that you control in and out of battle. Instead of making Final Fantasy actually play like Final Fantasy, where you control a larger party of characters instead of a singular player character, and where you have a larger explorable world.

>>713608156
exactly, french are all faggots and trannies

>>713608093
No.

>>713607775
>sequel to E33
>E34
Anon...

>>713608316
sill better than being a jeet like you kek

>>713608283
None of the party members were good. Its too safe and boring. They should have big tiddies like Lulu.

>>713600936
E33 is more turn based than ATB ever was.

>>713608283
the game couldve also been more challenging because low IQs can just grind levels while normal people play at the appropriate level and nerds intentionally underlevel.
action gameplay being made for EVERYONE just makes it so fucking dull

>>713602821
>something he distanced himself from
>the dev team said that they consulted him regularly for input and feedback
Lol.

>>713608204
next dragon quest will be turn based that's for sure, there are rumors about ff9 remake having ATB. for the next mainline game I expect they'll keep ff7 remake system, maybe tweaked to be more tactical.

>>713608316
That's all europeans

>>713608356
Yeah it was just a dumb way to put it, I imagine they'll go the FF route and do a new unrelated Clair Obscur entry.

>>713600725
>>713608020
why lie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aviowEjJjgg

ACK

my wife works at sandfall

>>713608384
>j-jeeet
mindraped tranny moment

>>713603067

Europe saved RPGs in the span of 2 years. What's your excuse, RoW?

>>713608412
>None of the party members were good.
If they were part of your party throughout the game and had frequent character moments throughout, on and off the main story, then they very well could have been developed into better characters.

>>713608532
YOSHI PISS lost.

>>713608557
>seething jeet immediately pulls the rape card
poetry

>>713603051
Wrong. Ivalice is an excellent world IMO

>>713607584
>welcome to the new FRPG genre
where are the games at?

>>713608602
they're laughing at yoshida

>>713603237
Do we tell him?

>>713608412
Not even talking about writing. Just aesthetically, they are total crap. They look like generic fucking NPCs from ARR. Come on man. Even Tabata could design something good. Yoshit is pathetic and probably a homo

>>713608243
Thanks for the lengthy critic, guess I'll skip 13 then.

>yoshipyoshipyoship
what breaks a buck this hard?

imagine of yoship listened to zoomers who said action games were just brainless button mashers instead of zoomers who hated turn-based

>>713608615
>>713608782
Meant to reply

>>713603934
Post brown hands.

>>713608629
>>713608532
>"turn based is bad" -YoshP
YO SHIT PISS
YOSHI PISS
yoShit Pee

>>713608659
>posts the same reaction images
rape you tomorrow!

>>713599214 (OP)
what they don't get from the successes of persona, metaphor or e33 is that it's not the battle system that sells these games but the story and experience. they're not corporate overproduced normiefied slop made for mass consumption and low IQ retards who are into blockbusters, these games respect your time and intelligence, they treat you like you're an adult with functioning brain. final fantasy hasn't done that since 12, even the remakes were watered downed with multiverses and flashy graphics instead of bringing back the soul of OG.

>>713608602
KEK fucking based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP7AOzJzgis

>>713608782
Tabata was geniunely great in some ways but when it came to gameplay he was always a bit out of touch. If you pair him with someone that can handle the gameplay side he will deliver kino. XV was a mess that he was thrown into and i doubt anyone could've saved that game.

>>713608602
Too busy trying to get the God of War audience and failing.

>>713608602
add YoshiPiss looking at a noose to the right of them

>>713604481
This. No clue why it’s liked. It’s the exact same as 13. With the characters being mostly not important literal who’s who add nothing,and the corridors.

Will SE fall for parry and dodgeslop?

>>713608283
This is really the most frustrating thing of FF16 and perhaps of Square as a whole. I can see it, I can see the great Final Fantasy, I see exactly how the elements would all come together as they should. But here is the boneheaded decision that unglues it.

If Broche really wants to buckbreak Yoshi into seppuku he should do another 10/10 game except real time that will release close to the next 7/10 turn based FF.

>>713608283
Also if it was turn based it'd be forced to have actual RPG elements, as opposed to 'Ah, a new sword that has ten more attack power than the old sword'.

>>713609032
>please sah please shop my fantasies because it wont happen in real life sah

>>713599214 (OP)
>lets copy the current hot thing
this never works

>>713609062
As likely as you will fall to whatever trend the e-celebs are mindlessly churning about last.

>>713609167
Turn based has been hot for 30 years

>>713608954
>persona
>metaphor
>respecting your time
What? Persona 5 is one of the longest and least time respecting games out there and Metaphor isn't much better, especially with Metaphor lazily reusing dungeon layouts for side content. E33 absolutely falls into that category but not Persona/Metaphor. FF16 respects time a lot more even with the mid section because it's only 40 hours instead of over 100.

>>713603934
>E33, another dogshit moviegame
you okay little bro? you seem to have slipped while you typing FF16 into the box

>>713609167
FF's only shred of identity is literally just that, and has always been the case since the very first game

>>713605324
DUDE SALES NUMBERSSSSS

>>713605324
riding off the high of versus xiii that had been in development hell for a decade

>>713609228
Metaphor doesn't reuse dungeon layouts, it reuses tilesets.

Chrono Trigger is getting remade in the same way Star Ocean 2.

>>713609167
Turnbased was the old hot thing. And I very much wish that SE would return to it.

>>713609237
>little bro
uncsisters…

>>713607657
the gameplay is a total slog, both combat (auto battle btw lmao) and the exploration that feels like an offline mmo with giant empty maps. Story is also full of telling instead of showing. It also has that ivaliceverse obsession with making the story not designed with the player in mind but make you feel like you randomly stumbled upon the middle of a saga instead. I tried real hard to like FFXII but it's just way too fucking clunky.

Not a single modern final fantasy game has failed because of its combat system, this is just cope

>>713609368
The tower "tileset" with circular rooms might as well be the entire layout being copied and there were a few side missions with those.

>>713609418
got a live one

>>713609228
if you can't into fatlus just admit you hate jrpgs and want to play final fantasy that's closer to tlou2 or dmc instead

>>713609418
12 is just offline MMO crap with the worst main character in history, Vaan. Not worth playing

>>713608665
but the game that implement it is trash so it's irrelevant.

>>713609504
To be fair, ffxii has really bad pacing. It's veeeery slow to get the ball rolling.

>>713603819
I spent YEARS trying to parse the answer to this. The bottom line is they want AAA games to be turn-based and don't consider Dragon Quest to be AAA. Additionally, for Square's AA games they refuse to pay full price and Square does not know how to release their budget titles for less than $50 so the games end up not getting any hype or traction.

>>713609504
nigger i guarantee I am older than you.

>>713609580
>want to play final fantasy that's closer to tlou2
e33 fans need to come clean and just admit it

>>713608981
I love Swen.

>>713603819
Turn based outside of tactical like FE is shitty and boring

>>713603067
Too good

>>713609504
i hate zoomers

>>713609580
You can like a game even if it doesn't respect your time, NEETs do it all the time. Saying P5(and specially R)/Metaphor respect your time is simply not true.

>>713609649
This, they just want soi of war, tlou, and AssCreed but turnbased, that why they love slop like e33

>>713603067
going into my FF16 dogshit piss hate folder

>>713609832
in a way how you interact with gameplay systems they do. you can't just hold button to win for 40 hours like in ff15.

>>713603819
Looks like shit

>>713608519
I accept your concession. Nigger.

>>713609821
why do you hate yourself?

>>713610019
If you mean you skip overworld battles in Metaphor then ok but P5 doesn't do that and they could have just designed the game with less encounters and tuned it around that instead like E33. Most new JRPGs in general don't respect peoples time at all though(E33 being an exception) because of this silly idea that $70 games should be at least 70 hours long so they end up being padded. Part of the reason why people like E33 so much is that there is very little filler and it's saved until after you finish the game. The sidequests take 5 minutes otherwise, compare that to even something like Stellar Blade which can send you on an hour worth of side content breaking up the flow of the game.

>LE RESPECT MY TIMEARINO
e33troons never beating the allegations

>>713609370
CT remake could actually be based if they keep everything almost the same but make the combat deeper
since this is Squenix there's a 0% chance it will be good tho

>>713599920
>party members get low health
>have to heal them or constantly switch to them to move them out of danger, then heal them, all because you don't have the auto cure materia
>eyes are constantly glued to 3 party member's HP bars rather than the cool action
Fuck this shitty system. Kingdom Hearts 1 did it better.

>>713609420
both 15 and 16 were mostly bad because of their combat.
not exclusively but it was the biggest issue.

>>713610340
this is the thing with ppl who aren't really into jrpgs, they can't get through the grind and "boring" parts and think this is wasting their time. I don't mind killing slimes for 2 hours if I get the sense of progression and I truly feel like I am a part of the world. you have that in every persona game, there is no disconnects like in modern ff games with lots of padding and stupid easy gameplay which disconnects you completely, there is no sense of progression there, just watching the well drawn scenery.

>>713608954
>these games respect your time and intelligence, they treat you like you're an adult with functioning brain.
Saying this about expedition 33 when the second act is more dragged out and spoonfeedy than the average marvel film should get you shot

>>713606756
>>713606891
>>713609228
>FF16 respects time a lot more even with the mid section
I see wut you did there

>>713610616
It's not necessarily a AAA thing either. Compare the earlier Ys games where grinding was a lot more important, the games were shorter, and flat out better than most of the newer entries. Once you get to the later Ys games they're padded and you don't have to grind, they became very easy and devolved into skill spamming without much thought even on harder difficulties.

Even Persona 5 is heavily casualized and requires less grinding than Persona 3, let alone the earlier SMT games like 3. You don't need to grind in Persona the same way you might in SMT where a random crit will one shot you otherwise.

>>713611296
early Ys was so based
fun progression, fast pacing, fun and challenging fights, kino music
nu Ys can still be fun but it doesn't hit the same

>>713609683
kino