Thread 713612626

these two fucking pieces of shit are solely responsible for ruining first and third person shooters, respectively
gaylo introduced health regen and two weapon limit and queers of war it's retarded cover system
if you enjoyed this kind of trash you're a lobotomized zoomer scum

someone's angy

Best fps and tps respectively

>>713612626 (OP)
EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED

NOTHING FEELS LIKE CHEATING

>>713612626 (OP)
>Halo and Gears both introduce mechanics and design concepts uniquely specialized to the kind of arcadey controller-oriented shooters they intended to make
>every other dev rips off these mechanics wholesale and shoehorn them into every FPS/TPS despite how inappropriate they are for their vision just because those two titles made a lot of money
Don’t hate the player, hate the game

two weapon limit in halo is actually good though

>>713613346
True, it does more with the 2 weapon limit than games like doom and half-life do with no limit. Quake 3 posers seething.

Reminder, this retard board unironically considers fear, slow 3 weapon limit point and click no enemy variety repetitive corridor shooter, the best fps ever made

>>713613346
>>713613494
weapon limit is only fine in realistic tactical military shooters (something which cawadooty slop isn't)
>oh you like using this gun? too bad you're not getting any ammo for it in this and the next few levels, have fun having to use the other ones (which suck)

>>713613771
but will then tell you Halo baad because, ughhh well ughhh...

>>713613771
F.E.A.R. is actually satisfying to play which is the most important aspect of an FPS

>>713612626 (OP)
>gaylo
>queers of war

>>713613836
>weapon limit is only fine
I can tell you don't play STGs

>>713613896
>le satisfying to play
Which means nothing coming from a board that unironically thinks Half Life is the best fps ever made because it has memes, and oh these ridiculous ties, and forced train sections, and shitty platforming, gay slow puzzles, and vent crawling.

>>713613876
>Halo baad because
super slow movement speed (you're the one claiming it's an arcadey title)
shield regen forces you to constantly stop and wait during the shootouts
enemies are bullet sponges
level design is even worse and way more repetitive than in FEAR

>>713612756
don't forget "gay" as well

>>713614230
>/v/ is one person

>>713614230
The shotgun is a close range weapon, you were using it long range. Also try flanking.

>>713614230
you didn't need to post that webm to further accentuate your mental retardation, your post itself was fine enough

those 2 mechanics caught on because they were fun
gears' cover system is literally the best game mechanic of all time, bouncing around a map from cover to cover was fucking awesome
also nobody wants to run around finding a medpac when they could just regenerate

>>713614405
>super slow movement speed
it's faster than fear
>shield regen forces you to constantly stop and wait during the shootouts
you're doing more stopping and waiting with FEARS forced walking "horror" cutscenes and time slow down mechanic. Halo's elites have the same shield regen. If you're stopping and waiting during shootouts you're just giving them time to regen themselves and you'll never kill anything. Halo's gameplay forces you to be aggressive while FEAR is a cover shooter where you activate slo mo, click on heads and repeat the whole game.
>enemies are bullet sponges
Every good fps ever made has bullet sponge enemies. Otherwise the gameplay is nothing more than picking one weapon and clicking on heads. Which is all fear is.
>level design is even worse and way more repetitive than in FEAR
kek

>>713612626 (OP)
HALO DOESN’T EVEN HAVE HEALTH REGEN YOU STUPID FUCK

>>713614693
why not go further then: nobody wants to sit and wait while sucking their own cock like a pussy for their health to regenerate when they could just straight up turn on godmode

>>713612626 (OP)
dangerously based.

>>713614986
being able to regenerate still allows you to have challenge in your game, godmode wouldn't :)

>>713614230
I know you're new here but we don't say le round these parts, leave that back at your real home. no need to thank me, just trying to help a newfriend out

>>713612626 (OP)
>responsible
Nope. They didn't force anyone to trend-chase them, poorly at that.
>Halo? Nah Azurik is gonna be the future of Xbox!
Name the executives making bad decisions and get everyone on their case instead.

>>713612626 (OP)
Dark Soul did more damage to gaming than Halo or Gears ever could

>>713615479
Not to games themselves but gaming discussion on the internet became ten times worse.

>>713614814
>it's faster than fear
it is not
>If you're stopping and waiting during shootouts you're just giving them time to regen themselves and you'll never kill anything.
this doesn't work on higher diffuculties
>Halo's gameplay forces you to be aggressive
in FEAR you can instantly heal up midfight with medkits which fosters way more aggresive playstyle than Halo does
>click on heads and repeat the whole game.
you fight human enemies, you want them to have bulletproof brains?
>Every good fps ever made has bullet sponge enemies.
there's a ton of great first person shooters missing those and a whole lot of shitty ones that have them
>kek
I accept your concession

>>713615636
That too, the difficulty masturbation is off the chart now.
Can't talk about terrible mechanics because muh skill issue

>>713614405
>bullet sponges
You're the playing the game wrong

>>713615479
well yeah, soulsslop ruined hack'n'slash, beat'em up and slasher genres so I guess it's even worse

>>713615756
>it is not
yes it is
>this doesn't work on higher diffuculties
That's how you beat higher difficulties.
>in FEAR you can instantly heal up midfight with medkits which fosters way more aggresive playstyle than Halo does
Nothing in fear is pushing you to be aggressive. Slo mo cover peaking is the best strategy for every situation in the game. You could just as well argue that Halo having health regen actually fosters more aggressive play because you dont have to worry going into encounters with 1 HP and that you can always take damage.
>you fight human enemies, you want them to have bulletproof brains?
I want enemy variety. Enemy prioritization, tactics. Something fear doesn't have. "oh this elite is tanking damage, better stick him." Already more depth than you get in fear and that's not counting all the other weapons you can use, vehicles, enemy combinations, etc.
>there's a ton of great first person shooters missing those and a whole lot of shitty ones that have them
Like which ones? More shitty fps's have low ttk than those that dont. And the best ones have a combination of quick to kill and bullet sponge. Like Doom, Quake, Halo. If all your enemies just go down instantly with any weapon you have where's the strategy, weapon choice. You're playing Call of Duty with a slo mo mechanic.

>>713612626 (OP)
Theyre unironically kino thougheverbeit, everything before them was shit and most things after were shit while they alone were GOATed

>>713612626 (OP)
Halo didn't introduce health regen you fucking moron, your health does NOT regen, you actually need to pick up health packs for that.
Only your shields regen.

>not a single mention about cod
Kys waste of skin.

>>713616736
>I want enemy variety
I don't recommend you play fear.

>>713612626 (OP)
Absolutely kino games. Midnight college binges on XBL were the shit.

>>713617180
>erm only 90% of your health regens so it's okay

>>713617360
Health doesn't regenerate in Halo CE, only shields. Shields have different properties to health which the entire combat system is built around.

>>713617360
Wrong again fucktard.

cod 2 was after Halo 2 (which had no medkits anymore)

>>713617634
meant for
>>713617180

>>713617360
Yes it's absolutely ok because it's a good mechanic and works exactly for the kind of game it is. Health regen in Call of Duty and virtually every other game it's in makes no sense and completely misses the point. In Halo i can use different weapons that are more or less effective against shields vs health, I can know what state of health a player is in through their shields pinging, flickering, or recharging which gives me feedback on how aggressive or conservative I wanna be, what weapon i should be using. All this is lost in a game where you have an M16 and players go down in .2 seconds and there's no diegetic explanation or feedback why a someone's health is coming back or when.

WALLBOUNCING is kino in gears of war because you are actually going fast

>>713617867
in an actually good game you don't need to abuse bugs and glitches to not make it suck ass

>>713617634
CoD ruined every single fps with ADS.
Although I don't truly believe you can blame CoD for all the other games copying them desu.

>>713615756
>you fight human enemies, you want them to have bulletproof brains?
Games with human enemies are BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIIIING.

Halo making a weapon limit and having them be persistent objects affected by physics that anyone could pick up was honestly genius.

>>713614941
yeah, i wouldn’t know. i didn’t play that normalfaggot garbage for G4 babbies.

Fallout 3 has done irreparable damage to gaming. Looter shooters, eventually leading to fortnite. The era of good games is long dead. Most gamers have never played a good game.

>>713612626 (OP)
Halo is fun though.
After a while I realized the people who don't like halo are just coming with a ton of baggage from other fps games and playing it based on those assumptions.

Notice how they'll say shit like
>slow movement speed bad
>two weapon limit bad
>recharging shields bad
But why?
They wont say why those things are bad, they just assume they are because it's different than the games they are used to playing.

They also assume halo started some industry trend toward those mechanics, but there is literally no game other than halo that has ever played like it.

>>713612626 (OP)
>gaylo introduced health regen

Halo CE didn't have health regen

>>713617982
you havent played the game then

>>713612626 (OP)
I would argue that call of duty becoming discount fortnite with a god awful multiplayer system and battlefield abandoning what made it successful have been far worse for the shooter genre. If you want a good TPS, play space marine 2. But of course, /v/ hates spess marheens now, so they won't.

>>713619775
They also assume that certain mechanics shouldn't be present in halo because it's a futuristic sci fi shooter.
>x mechanic is okay but not in halo. X mechanic only belongs in realistic games
As if this mechanic (two weapon limit for example) makes halo play like a tactical military shooter? It's just good game design.
Carrying every fucking weapon in the game becomes retarded when you never use the starting pistol after the first few levels. Two weapon limits are just good game design in a game like halo.

Stop assuming that every games mechanics need to line up perfectly with its setting. Otherwise in halo you'd be able to run 30mph, scale walls, and throw vehicles at people. Which does sound fun.

keep crying original poster of this thread, keep crying.

>>713614230
Darksydephil?
>>713615205
>but we don't say le round these parts
I'm French, you know, from the country that actually can make games, the country that's located on the continent that currently has a golden age of game development right now whilst American gaming has completely turned to merde turboshite.

>>713612626 (OP)
Xbox shooters were the start of the downfall of video games as an industry, and only kids who'd never played PC shooters liked them. A couple of my friends who I always assumed played stuff like Quake and Doom never actually did, and they were obsessed with Halo when we were in high school.

>>713612626 (OP)
Health regen and 2 weapon limit were great innovations for the genre. Imagine having to scroll through 15 weapons to get what you want in a fire fight and losing every engagement with a fresh spawn because you took a small bit of damage from someone else minutes ago. Gay as fuck. You are gay.

>>713622692
Counterstrike is by far the most popular popular game on Steam. PC shooters are doing just fine. You can shake off that boomer mentality.

>>713623754
I'm actually talking about xbox breaking into the console industry and their business practices and what happened because of them, not the sheer number of people playing shooter.

>>713612626 (OP)
i enjoyed both

>>713612626 (OP)
>>713616736
>>713617360
>>713619251
>i didn’t play that normalfaggot garbage for G4 babbies.
So you made this thread to cry about Halo and GOW even though you have never played them and have no fucking clue what you are complaining about to begin with?

Next time, save yourself the trouble of making these gay threads where you complain about things and subjects you have no knowledge about and just blow your brains out.

>>713613771
>this board thinks FEAR is slow
ive never seen this argument ever

>>713624059
you replied to me and i’m not OP

>>713624267
Look at the gameplay. How is it not? It even has movement penalty when zooming.

>>713624664
>look at it
its relative, I can watch halo 1-2 gameplay and argue it feels equally slow...I think the only 'Fast' game is probably cod mw2 and onward unless youre comparing it to unreal tournament or tribes?

>>713612626 (OP)
I can't think of many notable 3rd person shooters before Gears of War

>>713625124
>both are equally slow..
so you're not even disagreeing with me

>>713625649
>IF ITS NOT FAST THEN ITS SLOW
idk what to tell you Anakin

>>713624503
All four (You)s have the same text formatting of not capitalizing the first letter in the first sentence and spamming insults in an effort to appear educated and competent on the subject you are discussing.

You are OP, that, or you and OP are sharing the same single brain cell between the two of you.

>>713612626 (OP)
>t. seething fantasytard who hates science fiction

>>713612626 (OP)
>gaylo introduced health regen and two weapon limit
counter strike killed arena shooters like quake and unreal tournament not halo
>queers of war it's retarded cover system
fortnite is the most popular tps right now and that game has nothing to do with gears of war

peak atmosphere
there's nothing like it

>>713617867
ludokino

>>713612626 (OP)
>this specific innovation ruined fps
>if the developers had never come up with this one specific idea the golden age of fps would have never ended
the problem isn't any one idea. it's the underlying tendency of the industry to take any idea that streamlines an experience and make that the default standard they never bother to move from. if it wasn't gears or halo, another game would have come out of the ether with a streamlined concept and other devs would have been forced to run it into the ground. this goes doubly so for console games that are limited by the right analog stick and lack of buttons.