In less than a week we're going home again. The best expansion of them all. We suffered through vanilla and the awful swill that came after, but no we're finally getting to the good stuff.

>>713617787 (OP)
Slow down! MoP threads are to be savored.

>>713617787 (OP)
If by "we" you mean trannies, jeets and sea niggers, sure. If by "we" you meant white people then no. "We" are off playing good games and will stay that way.

>>713617787 (OP)
Waiting a month for Epoch instead teabeeaych

>classic

>no durumu lfr
lame

>>713618087
Just admit the raiding is too difficult for you.

>Having to pay a monthly fee for a re-release of a decade+ old game
Imagine

>WoD Classic soon
Grim.

>>713618498
One thing I've learned is the wow community is always wrong about everything. I never played wod, but with that in mind I expect it will be amazing.

>>713617787 (OP)
already completed raids on HC difficulty on 2 private servers
not interested

>>713617787 (OP)
ok

>>713618590
The quests and zones are good and what little raid content there was is also pretty good.
It’s just blatantly unfinished and many of the promised features like garrisons were completely gutted prior to launch. People didn’t exaggerate when they say very quickly you find yourself with fucking nothing to do but passively farm gold AFKing in your garrison.

>>713618590
WoD was fine, even on launch
Raiding was great and it was an expansion where you could raid on multiple alts. The miserable people whining about no content refused to raid at all and sat in their garrisons while whining on the forums

>>713617787 (OP)
what changes are they making to it? anything at all

>>713619063
They're doing quite a bit of class balancing. Haven't paid attention to other stuff but maybe they're changing more.

>open talent calculator
>realize every single spec will use the same talents
>quit

>>713619269
i mean things like getting rid of the mandatory 6 week rep grind at the start of the xpac for basic raiding crafts. hell i'd even be up for them just skipping to ToT

>>713619452
So you're saying it's like every other expansion ever. They could remove talents altogether because people always pick the same shit anyway.

>>713618956
>>713618984
>highmaul
>hellfire citadel
>good
insane how the pendulum has swung

>>713618590
if WOD was only 12 months long, it would have been an okay expansion

>>713619576
highmaul was always good

>>713619269
hopefully they fix smart healing and absorbs, they caused tons of trouble for multiple expansions

>>713619576
They were all good, even if BRF is a clear best
HFC's biggest issue was staring at green for 14 months and it won't even be half that this time around. I doubt WoD itself will last 14 months

>>713618498
They're going to stop before Shadowlands classic...right?

>>713619813
>>713620250
delusional posts

>>713620414
i imagine they'll stop at legion which is the last generally well received expac

>>713620001
She grew up btw

>>713617787 (OP)
MoP is anything but Classic
It's retail-lite slop

>>713620753
I imagined they'd stop at Wrath which was the last generally well received expac and to this day is when their subscriber count peaked.
I was wrong.

I love MoP but it really shouldn't be called "classic", there's nothing classic about it
it's pretty much full-on retail game design

>>713621046
Wrath was extremely overrated, MoP is better

>>713621080
I only played WoW classic without the expansions and then stopped when they were announcing they were doing more. What the fuck is the point of just doing all the expansions again, the whole appeal was to play the classic game, why not just play the retail if youre playing the "classic" WoW at this point.

Who wants to bet that poojeet-kun will bump this thread to 500 posts?

>>713621046
mists has Throne of Thunder which is considered one of the top eras of the game, and desu SoO was pretty good too. just not for 14 months

>>713621152
All expansions are overrated shit
Vanilla is the best

>>713617787 (OP)
Can you still play vanilla, bc, and wrath?

>>713620715
There were a few annoying fights but none of them were that bad, certainly not enough to ruin the entire raid
I also don't recall either raid being that criticised at the time besides green fatigue

>>713621465
The only really good thing about vanilla is no flying. Class design is complete trash and many specs don't function at all.

>>713621560
vanilla yeah, bc and wrath no
but you shouldn't give blizzard money, just play on a private server

Play a different game, you sad cunts.

>>713621713
>classes not being homogenized is le bad
please kys retail babby

>>713621726
Project Epoch launches in a month.
It's actually effort, something Blizzard seems deathly afraid of.

>>713621859
You don't know how to read, do you?

>>713621765
Like what?
/v/ loves to be anti-mmo but then all they post about is single player turn-based slop or souls slop
Are mmos supposed to be worse than that?

>>713621859
tigole pretty much raped hybrids right before launch for no reason

>>713622290
no, they just didn't have time to finish all the specs before launch and left the classes in an unfinished state. It's why warrior is the only tank and the classes with a healing tree only heal at end-game

>>713622165
You are retarded
The class design in vanilla is not great but it's fine, and all classes feel unique. I'll admit the class design is better in TBC
But the world, questing and dungeons of vanilla mog the shit out of every expansion

>>713621909
it's incredible how a multi-million dollar company is incapable of putting forth even 1/10th of the effort of these fan servers

>>713622396
And that's why vanilla isn't good. You have classes spamming only a single button in any kind of group content. And you have one class that'll do six times as much damage as others. That's just very good.

>>713622223
Yes, they're one of the few genres that can genuinely ruin your life alongside gacha gambling and MOBAs

>>713622809
well hybrid DPS aren't supposed to do as much DPS as the pures but in vanilla they couldn't get the balance quite right and instead of doing a bit less than pure DPS they do way less than they're supposed to (they even had trouble with this in TBC I think, with ret pallies not doing any damage either but they fixed most of the classes by that point, at least)

>>713622535
>The class design in vanilla is not great but it's fine
It's fine if you play a warrior, or to a lesser extent rogue. But all other classes have extremely lacking gameplay in group content and many specs aren't brought at all because they're completely useless.

>>713617787 (OP)
It's going to be terrible. Not sure whats in the air, but as someone who has played classic on and off since 2019, the classic population is full of turbo jerks for the last two months. SOD is dead, classic 20th is waiting for TBC, retail is in its mid expac lull, so all the brain dead tards, summer kids and other "i saw a streamer do this" flotsam is floating in.
It's funny, because the game really is retail-lite, and we're getting another good example of why they made the changes they did.

>>713622952
But warriors are hybrids and do bazillions more dps than everyone else

>>713622809
raiding is gay and retarded anyway

>>713622952
TBC ret is fine if you're seal twisting correctly.
A bewstie or meme loving /v/idiot fuck wouldn't even be able to do this, though.

>>713618590
WOD was a very fine expansion, but its patch cadence was too slow.

>>713623139
warriors are the only hybrids that can't heal, that's why they get to top the meters. Nobody would bring them to raids if they didn't have a lot of damage

>>713623158
it's been a bit since I played TBC so I might just be wrong about that. When I played TBC back when it was live I remember ret pallies being considered garbage

>>713623243
I wouldn't trust drooling MMO players to not die to 180 degree cleaves, it's the opposite really, the other classes need to be tuned high enough to justify themselves over the 100% active uptime hybrid tank

>>713623326
They were pretty bad alliance side because only blood elves had the emo seal that hurts you but does good damage

>>713623480
ah yeah, I was alliance so that's why I thought they were trash, cause they were lol

>>713623326
>I remember ret pallies being considered garbage
Culture sticks around for several expansions, and also alliance rets really were bad, but that got changed in the 2021 re-release.

>>713622691
Small indie billion dollar company. Please understand.

>>713622396
palys had a strike in vanilla but tigole got butthurt and removed it

>>713623326
People didn't discover twisting until after TBC, once they did Ret because actually pretty decent with a surprisingly enjoyable gameplay quirk.

>>713623810
Everyone discovers seal twisting themselves while leveling their Classic/TBC paladin. Sure, they might not have a swing timer installed to really nail in the details, but this is something you notice in the first 100 hours of gameplay 100%.

>>713617787 (OP)
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>the best expa-

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>we suffered through Vani-

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>but now we're finall-

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Why aren't they just keeping servers at fixed patches? Private servers do it and they have consistent players.

>>713619452
>make talent trees
>give illusion of choice
>people metaslave min/max
>instead of shaking up shit constantly you double down on this ideology

blizz still hasn't attempted to make a talent tree were you can drastically change the playstyle of the class. You get locked into one path with pick and choose flavor

Kung fu panda expansion was retarded and when the game truly became marvel shit, cata was just the first step towards it
Some zones were neat, even the timeless isle, but it just wasnt enough for a true wow fan

>>713624183
my favorite will be the people who only played MoP during remix and will not expect bosses to have mechanics

>>713624021
>Everyone discovers seal twisting themselves while leveling their Classic/TBC paladin.

Nobody does because Classic/TBC seal system doesn't encourage casting one seal after the other. It was, however, originally discovered in TBC back in 2006 (specifically on the Horde side as they had two good seals for twisting, Casino and Blood)

>>713624183
See that's why you want to join a guild and make friends, you don't have to deal with any of that :)

Panda wives

>>713624021
You would need to be deliberately playing like shit yet also paying close attention to small details to notice it naturally. It doesn't happen.
If you aren't intentionally twisting you don't refresh a seal you're about to judge. It intuitively appears to be a waste of mana.

>>713624479
Heckin cute! I know I'm making one.

>>713624185
Don't want to spread the base too thin
>Adds SoD
>Adds Classic Era
>Refuses to merge dead servers
>Deletes TBC

>>713624183
LF parse run, 80+ log
>>713624429
Want to join a guild? Post logs.

>>713624429

Join and guild? Just so loot gets distributed fairly, which means I might... imagine that... clear a raid and potentially get NOTHING from it?

No no no, I need my payout. In fact, I expect to be paid just for replying to you.

>>713624741
>Post logs.
Join a guild that matches your skill level. Which will be a casual guild, coincidentally those with the most pleasant people.

>>713624429
"Sorry we take minmaxed specs, you want to play Rsham or affli/demo lock? Not allowed and you also must be troll with Engineering+Tailoring. Also we have EPGP that means you must install addon for it and it also means you won't get gear until all our officer buddies get the gear. Also our raid leader gets PI and DI and he will parse 99+ and you will kill adds, play mechanics, do support duty. Pull timer is 2 minutes in our guild so our RL and his buddies can prepull :)".

>>713624994
/v/ users have delusions of grandeur so this becomes an impossible task

>>713624398
>>713624491
>have to reapply seal after every judge
You'll see this happen naturally if you just go between righteousness and crusader
>I just swapped to crusader but my old righteousness buff still did damage!

>>713625265

You don't swap to crusader from Righteousness. You do it the other way around and you do it on the pull so that you have your seal up when you're in melee range. It is never intuitive to swap seals as your melee attack is approaching

>>713624183
>sub to play anniversary
>see "inv layer" spam in every global chat channel
>log back out and uninstall

>>713624994
If you join a casual guild you will not see heroics for a long time.
TBC Casual guild: takes 3 days to run SSC/TK, can't kill last bosses, can't defeat M'uru and Kil'Jaeden, 100 wipes on Twins
WotLK casual guild: half-done Ulduar, ICC 6HC clear after three weeks, HLK clear after 2-3 months and 25% nerf
Cata casual guild: can't clear T11 HC, can't clear T12 7HC (even with 30% nerf), stuck in T13 4HC for months until heavy nerfs come, then full HC clear at 25% nerf.
MoP Casual guild: disband at last bosses, can't kill normal mode.
Cuz the bosses are harder than in T13.

>>713624368
battle for the undercity in wrath marked wow becoming faction leader capeshit

>>713617787 (OP)
As much as I absolutely loved and adored MoP, I am not going back because of all the horrible things I hear about the classic community. I will not tarnish my memory with whatever shit they do or will do to ruin MoP

>>713625541
Can i raid in a comfy 10 man guild in mop?
I don't care about clearing the full raid or heroic modes. I just want something like kara runs in tbc where everyone is having fun

>>713625702
yup MoP was the last xpac to have 10 man raiding be an option

>>713618401
I've completed all savage raids in ffxiv and have all LCM/CM raid and strike titles in gw2 I am a hyper end game player. Sorry you only play pissbaby games like WoW while shooting HRT up your arm to cope with your failed bottom surgery.

>>713625541
I've played in the same guild since classic launched. It's a casual guild where people can play whatever they want and we've never had a problem clearing heroics. Theres a difference between being casual and just bad at the game, and the game isn't that hard.

>>713625509
>You don't swap to crusader from Righteousness.
Maybe if you like to sit down and drink more often.
Every boar can't have a perfect raid opener rotation done on it.

>>713625870
>plays ffxiv
>calls other people troons
Ain't that something

>>713618590
I played it. There's just nothing to do.

>>713625782
mop 10 man flex and heroic were awesome, then they went full retard and deleted those instead of dogshit lfr

>>713626069
Over a decade later they look like they're gearing up to remove LFR and replace it with just the AI bot filled story mode at least.

>>713626028
>WoW and osrs full of western trannies and broke indians/ sea monkies
>ffxiv full of wealthy white people and asian women 50% of player population are real women(not like wow "females")
Yea I'll stick to ffxiv I've never even met a troon on there in sure they exist in the RP spaces but I only play instanced content.

>>713626328
Lmfao nigger you're beyond delusional.

>>713617787 (OP)
warlock being able to cast while moving was fun

>>713626419
>N..no u...
I accept your concession enjoy your pajeet filled game with a side of trannies and Filipinos

>>713617787 (OP)
>the expansion that killed wow
Egh, pass.

>>713617787 (OP)
when is anniversary getting to TBC? may pick that up

>>713626949
supposedly it's winter or the start of the next year

>>713617787 (OP)
Was this expansion good? I've only played TBC and WotLK. 3.3.5a is the last WoW I've played.

>>713629430
its when the classes were the hardest to play at any given point in wow

>>713629525
so the whole point of this expansion is to play the game at the "highest difficulty"?

>>713629930
its far from the 'highest difficulty'. you're just doing 60 hours of work for 40 hours of pay

>>713621231
>What the fuck is the point of just doing all the expansions again
.....the same reason classic-vanilla was launched, tardo
to play the old game

>The "BRING ON THE PANDAS" shitpost image is now real

The same things that make us laugh...make us cry.

>wod was a decade ago
full circle

>>713618498
WoD shouldn't get a Classic release, that's retarded.

WoD should get remixed though.

>>713630753
nta but do they keep some of the servers pure classic(aka no expansions?)

>>713630971
Just wait for Warlords of Draenor "Classic"

>>713618232
this

Cata classic was already something, but if they release wod classic, i'll laugh my ass off

>yeah but this turd has sprinkles on it

>>713618232
This. What you rolling?

>>713633140
thinking troll afflock

>>713618956
>very quickly you find yourself with fucking nothing to do

but that was all of wow before legion tho?

>>713633140
Man, Epoch is gonna be lit, it's gonna be the real deal.

I can't wait to play an Undead mage and level through explorer's contract.

>>713618590
I started wod after its final content patch/before legion pre-patch and it was fine. Exploration felt meaningful, garrison was there to just run in the background as you played the game, dungeons and raids were okay, too. It felt much more engaging than BfA or SL.

wtf is epoch

>>713634949
WoD had many good things about it, the main problem with it is that it was literally 1/3 of an expansion.

We were supposed to get much, much, MUCH more.

>>713635062
an upcoming Classic+ server

>>713634745
I can’t find it on the site, what does the contract do? Just lower exp gains?

>>713635519
https://www.project-epoch.net/features/challenges/

Yeah, lowers XP rates and gives you Feats.

There will be 1500 new quests in the world so I plan to pretty much play though everything anyway.

what was so interesting about making wow into kung fu panda in order to market it to the 1 billion chinks out there?

>>713618590
wod was only shitty if you were a no-life faggot loser NEET because there was a ton of content drought. it did have a lot of cut content that would have been cool if it was added, but it is all in all very inoffensive compared to dogshit like MoP, BFA, SL, etc. etc.

>>713635685
Sounds cool, I only really play vanilla for the leveling anyway. Might do that.

>>713635954
BFA was so absolutely awful that it made me finally quit. I haven't played retail since.

I heard that SneedLands was even worse, not sure how that would be possible

>unironic WoD apologists itt
yikes

The best thing about MoP was the timeless isle, where you could attack anyone you wanted.

>>713636254
yeah same. BFA was the final straw for me. i was very excited for it because the marketing made it seem like it was going to be return to a kind of vanilla wow type of sensibility of orcs vs humans and exploring mysterious lands with an extremely cool race that appeal to me as a trollfag with the zandalari trolls and it seemed like to was going to be without a 'big bad' type of figure looming over the narrative, but alas it turned out abysmal fucking dogshit. finally quit and havent looked back since, and thank God, because wow is in a state of complete and utter disrepair. life has been treating me well since i shook the addiction to this fucking disgusting predatory game, but i wont lie that i still get the itch sometimes. wont fall for it though.

>>713636552
>Dropping Blingtron outside Garrison

>>713636628
I always knew and understood that WoW was a "Predatory" game. Thing is, that didn't matter since as long as I was having fun, I kept playing.

Then one day, I logged in and realised "I'm no longer having fun" then I just logged off and that was that.

>>713636821
>I AM BLINGTRON, YES, I AM BLINGTRON
>DISPENSE FREE SWAG TURN MY SWAG ON

>>713636254
i unashamedly played throughout bfa
i quit two days after the first SL patch
it was bad

>>713639376
what were the worst things about it?

Asking since curious

No real issue here, but I'd rather see the return of that
>MoP special timewalking event thing
rather than another separate Classic realm.

>>713639860
really bad and stupid lore implications, weak story and characters, extreme grind for systems (anima, torghast, maw, etc)
basically what everyone said BFA was but ACTUALLY FOR REAL
it killed retail

>>713642464
i remember BFA was especially fucking bad with all the fucking bullshit dailies and shit. it was NUTS how much of a grind and waste of time playing BFA was.

>be me
>kid/teenager
>happily raid wotlk/cata/mop
>talk with people online
>be me now
>don't have the social skills of wherewithal to bother anymore
Fucking hell what happened

>>713642834
no irl friends. you never actually flexed your social muscles much in a genuine way. sending messages in guild chat or msn is not the same as truly connecting to a human being

>>713617787 (OP)
>mop classic
god is dead