Discuss DMClikes, Bayolikes, and Ninja Gaidenlikes (games with indepth combat systems)

>>713622427 (OP)
>No Sekiro

This is an Itagaki thread. By posting in this thread, you agree that Itagaki is the greatest game director of all time and that Ninja Gaiden 2 is the best game ever made.

>>713622638
not a dmc-like, sorry

>>713622859
Praise Lord Itagaki

>>713622427 (OP)
>>>/vg/

>>713622427 (OP)
NG4 is going to suck so hard.

>>713622427 (OP)
Dynasty Warriors Origins has more DMC-like mechanics than some of these games

8th for mork

>>713624421
Good. The less of a punching bag simulator a game is the better.

New NG 4 clip.
>>713624218
It looks awesome.

>>713624218
This is where we'll get our ninja gaiden fix this year.
*>>713624042

>>713624532
>more red attacks for normalfags
Yawn

>>713624532
>I'm too stupid to tell when an attack is coming, please give me an indicator
Why does every modern action game do this?

/nig/ ninja gaiden and other charater action games

>>713624532
>enemy standing right next to you
>instead of grabbing you or just attacking you, he does a long charged attack instead

>>713622638
sekiro is a good game but it has no depth

>mentor on NGII has a 1.5% clear rate
hold the fuck up. I can understand MN being 1.20% because most people don't want to beat the game 3 times but mentor being 1.5% is clinically insane

You only have to beat warrior ONCE to unlock it then you can play it right after how the fuck has it remained so low for 17 years. Also shoutout to iconoclast that man has been doing damage

The main reason DMC autists bother me is because there really isn't a lot of substance to the games combos, it's PURELY to either LOOK cool or to appear cool to people that know how much execution it took to accomplish.

I don't find it interesting, more importantly it does not stack up to combos in certain fighting games. Which are more intricate, have more substance, and in some cases require a higher level of execution and on top of that those combos might actually be practical and pulling them off in a real match is extremely exciting. If you're a combofag, then fighting games offer a lot more to offer. DMC combos hardly even utilize 3D space so that's not even an advantage, combos play out as if you were on a 2D plane.

>>713624532
Yakumo literally has no weight behind any of his actions. It looks so fucking lame and gay and more importantly NOT NINJA GAIDEN

>>713624995
Yeah these threads have just seemed like one schizo spamming for like months. It's pretty boring.

>>713624782
>>713624937
>>713625020
>>713625215
>NG 2 cultists seething

>>713622859
>>713623926
I like itagaki for his legacy, but now electric underground is unironically trying to tell people that Devil's Third is actually good game that is just misunderstood, just like he did with Wanted Dead.

>>713624782
>>713624937
It will most likely be disabled on higher difficulties.

>>713625259
>

>>713625259
Now go around the corner and try that with the archer enemies. Go ahead. I'll wait.

>>713625326
Platinum doesn't care about making harder difficultiies better or more interesting most evidenced by Bayo 2 and 3's highest difficulties compared to 1's. Astral Chain "hard mode" was basically normal mode and didn't do anything special

>>713625407
>acting like archer enemies are good design when 2fags just despawn them
LOL

it's gonna be mid.

>>713625259
how about you post a REAL webm

>>713625109
The substance you are looking for that makes interest is "necessity" Dmc and most modern action games are designed for the lobotomized, having to use specific action to defeat an enemy outside bosses are to much for most people

>>713625550
That exact thing happens in MGR.

>>713625260
Devil's Third is kino

>>713625704
>THE LONGER I STAY IN THE BETTER THE COOLER I AM...R-RIGHT?

>>713625814
What the Hell this actually looks like fun. Is this the PC online mode?

>>713625792
Holy fucking ESL

>>713625814
this looks like a worse deathverse: let it die, a game that was unjustly taken from me

>>713625856
?

>>713625960
Are you dyslexic?

>>713622427 (OP)
You mean soulslikes?

>>713622859
unfathomably based

>>713626158
Learn to speak english, sajesh

>>713625814
This looks like shit. Wtf is that teleporting?

>>713626158
You need to add commas for clarity

Just call them spectacle fighters.

>>713625260
Itagaki is and always was a hack
The same is true of Kamiya
Anyone lionizing these two is a child

>>713625107
Who the fuck wants to replay that crap?

>>713626389
>The same is true of Kamiya
Kamiya has made multiple great games and actually tries to do different things with those games. He's not repeatedly making the same game every time and that already makes him 100x better than the majority of game devs

Itagaki made NG1, doubled down on it's mechanics with the only innovation there being shit, then has continued to try to make NG again but 10x shittier with 3rd person shooting mechanics. Actual hack

Anyone here played soulstice? holy shit..

>>713625107
mentor is the filter point at which the game's relentlessness becomes too much for most players. if you can clear mentor, then you also have the mindset and the patience to do master. this is why both percentages are low and very closr to each other.

is scarlet nexus any good?

>>713625107
>You only have to beat warrior ONCE to unlock it then you can play it right after how the fuck has it remained so low for 17 years.
I don't think anyone who tolerated entire game filled with mythical memes from quarter munching arcade fighting games would want another go at it (but with even more rape).

>>713626756
Kamiya is a hack in a different way than Itagaki.
Itagaki became obsessed with his one big hit while Kamiya has lots of ideas - but that's all Kamiya has. Ideas.
Kamiya at this point has a long history of going way over-time and over-budget with little to nothing to show for it. He spent 3 years on Okami and only had a wolf running with flowers behind it as a result which is the reason Capcom shut down Clover. People blame Xbox for Scalebound never releasing but I guarantee you Kamiya was dragging his feet.
Team little devils and little angels were the secret sauce, not Kamiya

>>713624532
>2kat FS still puts you on the wall
>there's some new follow up attack
nice. Also magnetism sisters lost bigly.
Cool to see enemies blocking and dodging more as of late.
>>713625550
Bayo's NSIC was just a gimmick that forcibly turned the game into a glorified TPS where melee combat is a fucking detriment. Never seen a game fall apart so hard mechanically. It didn't even change any enemy spawns except for Alfheims. Absolute failure of gamedesign.

>>713625260
Mork era is over. He not the taste maker you people made him out to be.

>>713627491
>with little to nothing to show for it
RE2
DMC1
Viewtiful Joe
Okami
Bayonetta 1
TW101
I think he has a lot to show for his many years in the industry.
>Team little devils and little angels were the secret sauce, not Kamiya
No good game is made by a single man but clearly Kamiya is extremely good at surrounding himself with talented people that allow him to put his ideas into a great package. Nobody would care about his games without the talent of the people doing the art, designs, music, etc and it's not like Kamiya is super arrogant to believe that he is the only reason his games are good. He's talked about Inaba (producer for nearly every game Kamiya has worked on) multiple times being the one who helps reign him in, in his bayonetta 1 lets play very early on he mentions how it was someone else who came up with the witch time idea. The fact is that Kamiya is the main creative force behind the games both in gameplay and general story and then he surrounds himself with other talented and creative people who are able to flesh those ideas out, there's a lot of merit to that.

The only thing Itagaki ever talks about in terms of his games is how much he cares about LE DIFFICULTY when in reality the games aren't that hard at least by todays standards. He never comes off as a guy who has a lot of great ideas and that's evidenced by devils turd

>>713625107
The 1.5% are all here right? I'm sure you guys cleared Mentor.

>>713627917
>Bayo's NSIC was just a gimmick that forcibly turned the game into a glorified TPS where melee combat is a fucking detriment. Never seen a game fall apart so hard mechanically.
The game was never designed around witch time. Witch time is literally training wheels. The true game begins in NSIC when it's forcing you to actually understand how dodge offset works. Before that, you could do just fine by doing witch time > PKP.

I don't want to hear an itagaki simp complain about any game "falling apart mechanically" when that's NG2 in a nutshell

>>713628634
Itagaki is a genius game designer show some FUCKING RESPECT

>>713627491
>He spent 3 years on Okami and only had a wolf running with flowers behind it
Jesus, what a lazy fuck.

>>713628867
Nice

>ng2
>falling apart mechanically
hear that? that's the sound of someone who was fucking filtered

>>713629242
God, I hope NG4 has proper state based changes like this 1 and 2 did. That's something I really disliked about 3.

>>713629396
wtf are you talking about specifically

>>713625814
What the hell? Why are we posting "third person stylish combo wombo shooty tootie parkour action" games? I thought we were posting just "Stylish Action" games.

>>713625107
Reminder

>>713628773
Did you download this opinion from a reddit thread or a youtube video? The bald rat himself said it was a late-development addition, lmao. Sorry you got raped by NG2.
>>713629474
Bro probably still doesn't know how to do running attacks after windpath in 3RE in the big 2025.

>>713629474
Attack a "grounded" enemy multiple times and watch them just get up and immedately start blocking with no in-between animation. Their grounded state is fake. In 1 and 2 they would stay stunlocked on the ground as long as you kept hitting them. There's tons of shit like that in 3.

>>713624485
then add it to the montage

>>713628634
>List of finished products
You didn't understand what I said.

>>713630104
You say that like it's a good things. You want enemies to be punching bags??

>>713625109
>fighting games
blazblue central fiction is better than this entire dying genre

>>713630104
>Attack a "grounded" enemy multiple times and watch them just get up
No it's just a hit property most attacks have. The grounded state still exists, it's one of the foolproof ways to launch most of the enemies.

>>713630808
>blazblue
Mori will save "stylish action" games...just you wait!

>>713629242
I can't tell if this webm is bait or not. Seriously there are people that will unironically look at this and think it's cool, especially brownoids

>>713630808
Most anime fighting games are. +R gets insanely autistic with it's combos because of how character specific they can be, even in combos where the actions are the same but the timing of the attacks have to be different.

>>713630808
>animeshit
not a real fighting game, get out

>>713629771
>The bald rat himself said it was a late-development addition
....hey retard, that's what i'm saying. How can the game "fall apart mechanically" when it was intended to be used without witch time in the first place? You have no argument, just using a random "gotcha" which actually supports my argument more than anything

>>713622427 (OP)
I sure do fucking hope NG4 isn't hog shit.

>>713631024
what does a good action game look like to you?

>>713631580
Ninja Gaiden Black, of course. Even Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge is better than the webm you posted.

>>713631667
>ngb casual fag
every time

>>713631384
i hate the mentality of "just take the throw" especially in something like sf4 where you can tech almost for free

>>713631749
>no argument
I accept your concession.

>>713631384
>not a real fighting game
blazblue and guilty gear are better any crapcum fighting game

>>713631841
Strive is literally the worst game ever made.

>>713631895
>Strive is literally the worst game ever made.
+r and xrd are still better than any street fighter game

>>713631384
The discussion was about combos and blazblue actually has really fun combos regardless of if you think it's fun to play matches or not

Is DMC3 Crimson good?

>>713626389
I agree with this while simultaneously thinking that Kamiya has made lots of great games. Kamiya himself has stated multiple times that he doesn't actually know what makes a good game, and people play it off as "oh, he's just being humble", but then Kamiya has also stated multiple times how indebted he is to [other dudes who worked as lead gameplay designers and such], and people think nothing of it, when in truth this is probably exactly the person who is responsible for Kamiya's games turning out great, not Kamiya himself. Seriously, Kamiya constantly self reports that he's not actually that great of a director in multiple ways and people just ignore it. I can assure you that some things that you value in Kamiya's games in terms of gameplay mechanics is actually not that way because of Kamiya.

Not enough gameplay footage posted ITT

>>713624532
Every time I see a bloodraven form attack I can't help but think about Jetstream Sam charge attacks

>>713634893

>>713625109
DMC3 dante must die mode made it alot more rare to knock down opponents when they enter devil trigger.
This made it very valueble to juggle the opponents for a long time when you got a knock down/launch.
Either way, necessity isnt always necessary for every aspect of play.
Sure you can play the games like a complete lobotomite spamming the same rebellion combo over and over. The necessity of doing cool combos is to simply have fun.
And the satisfaction doesn't come from avoiding any true negative consequences, but just to feel cool.

However, playing dmc optimally means using good crowd controll, dodging attacks and keeping track of the playing field. People say enemies dont do shit but on the harder difficulties of dmc3 their attacks are way more frequent.

>>713631516
>"The game was never designed around witch time"
>DO was a late addition
How do you even breathe? The idea man wanted a game about slow-mo dark souls dodges and combo finishers with no vision beyond these two concepts. It took him until the game was nearly done to realize that the idea is utterly moronic and dysfunctional, so PG had to quickly come up with a hackjob solution and that's how DO became a thing in Bayo, and it ended up being so overcentralizing you could beat the game avoiding all enemy engagement. All it did was create more problems and exacerbate the existing ones like impotent melee. The end result is a shit game with a shit foundation and a shit pigeonholing playstyle. Funny how someone in the previous thread asked about advanced Bayo tips that go beyond dodge offset and nobody could come up with anything other than "dodge offset more bro!!!" lmao, >>713597507

>>713632708
>I can assure you that some things that you value in Kamiya's games in terms of gameplay mechanics is actually not that way because of Kamiya.
Whoever told him that qte are lame and gay during dmc development is a unsung hero.
Shame that person was not around bayo development

>360p
>random J-Pop/Rock playing in the background
holy kino
this is just like dmc combo mads but actually fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqyF9QseSUU

>>713636105
didn't qte's start appearing way later, like 2005? if they'd been around when dmc released, he would've maybe put them in there.

>>713635360
i don't remember dmc3 specifically but in 4/5 this is exemplified with enemies not attacking off camera - when you juggle an enemy there's a low chance an idle enemy will be on screen so you can just focus on the spectacle. for fun.

>>713636697
QTE's were popularized by the first Shenmue in 1999.

someone should make an action game that goes in-depth with the defensive options. we just have the dodge, parry, block, and most games don't really flesh them out.

the most I've seen is Nioh which has dodges on the different stances that have different trade-offs (i.e. low stance dodge is fast with quick recovery but has few i-frames, high stance dodge travels far and has lots of i-frames but a long recovery period), parries that influences enemy position instead of just giving you an instant advantage, and maybe burst counters was kind of interesting.

>>713637978
>someone should make an action game that goes in-depth with the defensive options
Go and save SNK anon, this is your chance.

the dual kats ut in sigma 1 has to be the goofiest shit I've seen

>>713638285
never heard of this, interested in how they'll pull of samsho as a 3rd person singleplayer ARPG. im thinking the combat will be heavily based on positioning and spacing, done in the more deliberate soulslike combat with heavy commitment on attacks

>>713636697
Your welcome.

>>713638686
Have you tried delaying the izuna drop with 2kat? Now that's goofy

the first ninja gaiden has one of the worst cameras I have ever encountered in a 3D video game. I want to pan the camera up, I push up on the analog stick. the camera pans down. I push down on the analog stick. the camera STILL pans down. what the fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBv2a-WSyRU
>I've had enough of this game. It's so unfun. Finishing master ninja is enough for me. Fuck this game and everyone who made this.
also you'll never believe who's in the comments section

>>713639902
I never use right stick outside of the bow segments.
>>713640207
>still uploaded ng2 videos after this
Aint no way bro let himself get gaslit by ourguy zSenzy

>>713637978
Nioh parries do a hell of a lot more than just influence enemy position, their balancing factor is them just not working on all attacks. Anyway, play Stranger of Paradise. Nioh has a ton of split up options across everything available but SoP consolidates most of them on top of adding more distinct methods and a constant management system making use of them.

>>713640207
It's funny because his problem wasn't actually the camera but because he didn't just keep doing Wind Run into Guillotine Throw into OT, the ninja was right there.

>>713640207
How the hell did you even find this video lol? Same goes for Z wtf.

>>713640207
I forgot to watch the actual vid, how does bro have so little HP when there's a dragon statue right before.

>>713634893
reminds me of nier somehow

>>713643079
He not fighting them on the stairs either.

>>713627917
>Cool to see enemies blocking and dodging more as of late
You must have been watching a different webm.

>>713644701
>can explicitly see him dodge at 0:07 and block the second flying swallow
Slit your throat blind retard

>>713645296
>enemy dodges/blocks once
>"Cool to see enemies blocking and dodging more as of late"
kek the absolute state of itagaki schizo

>>713645578
Goalpost? Succesfully moved.

>>713646639
>once = more...b-because I said so, ok?!
holy cope shitagaki troon

>>713646708
I'm not even the Itagaki poster. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

>>713627917
There’s still a lot of magnetism in that clip compared to any other NG game

>>713645578
Are you dumb, stupid or dumb? It's a more common occurence compared to the older clips they posted, hence "more " and "as of late"
The enemies were already seen blocking continuously until the player either guardbreaks them or stops attacking, or attacks for too long without guardbreaking which will cause the enemies to deflect and counterattack.

We all admit DMC5 is one of the worst games ever made, right?

>>713635360
You misunderstand my argument.

My point is that DMC combos are BORING and don't have a lot of substance to them. At best you can do a really hard combo but that's only impressive to someone that understands how hard the combo was otherwise it might not actually look that impressive. It's like when you see those DMC4 autists that spam guardfly. It looks kind of impressive and definitely takes a lot of skill but ultimately you're just zipping around for the sake of it, because you can, and I don't find that to be that interesting. I want combos that look stylish AND have more purpose beyond "well it looks cool!" or "it's really hard to do!"

>>713647859
DMC5 has the deepest combat system out of any action game

>>713622427 (OP)
I’m asking this here to avoid the FFXV spammer

Can someone explain the hatred toward FFXVI on this board? I really liked it.

>>713628742
I'm a Master Ninja.

>>713648157
More doesn't mean better.

>>713637978
>someone should make an action game that goes in-depth with the defensive options
Strangers of Paradise
Sifu

>>713648157
Explain in your own words why it has deep combat.
Failure to do so will result in you looking like a RETARD who doesn't know jack shit. Choose your words carefully.

>>713648323
KH1

>>713648413
Don’t need any words:
https://youtu.be/GEZON93hV-s?si=RQZL53js4e2QeLSK

>>713648797
Guess you chose to be a RETARD who doesn't know jack shit. Thanks for letting us know

>>713647327
>It's a more common occurence compared to the older clips they posted
they already showed enemies dodging previously as far as in the xbox showcase you retarded tranny, just because you just noticed this once shows how blind and retarded you are

>>713648797
>Juggling sandbag
Atrocious

>>713648797
>>713648157
Die die die die die die die die die die die

>>713648797
Show this in a real mission instead of against a single enemy

>>713647264
Either there is magnetism or there's not, no inbetweens. What the clip has is just fixed forward movement.
>>713649012
He didn't dodge in your retarded clip, moron. He recovered from hitstun and backed away before Yakumo unleashed his attack.

I'm watching someone stream Spirit X Strike and holy shit this game's boss fights look fucking miserable

>>713649846
I accept your concession tranny

>>713648797
based post

>>713649846
>add bats
Nooooooo. Those made this chapter annoying to start.

bump

>Thumbstick started drifting during the master ninja gigadeath fight
It's over

>>713649893
glad I never bothered to download it. Some people

>>713653310
Does bow's autotargeting work in that fight or nah?

bump

bump with gameplay webms or discussing instead you jeet

>>713653534
No auto targeting in 2 vanilla. All skill.

Can't wait for NG4, love Sam's charge attacks.

>>713658173
There's a charm in how boring Ninja Gaiden 1 looks.

>>713622427 (OP)
Best games on here are Devastation, Magenta Horizon, and Hi-Fi Rush. Best applicable game not on there is Kunitsu-Gami. Best this year will probably be Ragebound but Shinobi looks really cool and NG4/Enenra could be good. Astral Chain kinda sucks.

Da fock just popped up a video of a dumbass defending devil turd. Does this nigga have standards? There aren't many TPS as good as GOW and personally it should also be considered “stylish action” despite the normie appeal.

>>713625107
Mentor is noticably harder than warrior. I had to start a new save a couple times because I fucked my run up and became hopelessly under-upgraded and understocked. You have to be way more thoughtful about how you play the game. For me, that's when it really tstarted to get fun, but for most players I would think it's a turn off

>>713625107
Mentor is fucked man. It's about UT spam and learning the spawns. The problem is that spawns are broken, the game is crash prone and has the weird save glitch. NGII is literally about luck. Can you get good at the game? Yes, but luck makes everything 70/30

>>713624532
>Le epic attack indicators
It just doesn't look like NG, it looks like a generic annoying P* game

>>713624532
I don't hate this. It's not like real NG but it doesn't look bad.

>>713661642
>Mentor is noticably harder than warrior
I remember going from Warrior to Mentor for the first time and it was insane back then. It's rather funny looking back since Mentor feels quite easy to me these days. The jump from Mentor to Master Ninja wasn't as huge to me, though.

>>713622427 (OP)
>no wanted dead
PUT IT ON

>>713625260
i really want to play devils third because i absolutely loved wanted dead.

>>713622427 (OP)
>stylish actiion
Just say animeshit you weeb retard

>>713628135
The mork era is just getting started.

Steam sale starts tomrorrow, anything to look out for?

>>713625107
I am not sure why the percentage would be so close to the percent of MNM since the way I see it is that MNM is quite a big powergap in difficulty even compared to Mentor. My guess is that most people didn't beat this game past one or two playthroughs. Only a small minority would have stuck with the game long enough to do multiple playthroughs and wanting to conquer the tougher difficulties. There is no way most can even beat MNM. Not even the nerds here at least not most. I did it but it was quite draining to do it and at least at the beginning levels I needed to strategize a lot. Some of the boss fights really suck on MNM as well.

>>713665597
Not sure what will be on sale for how much, but look out for Aztez, Aces Wild, Assault Spy, Magenta Horizon, Kunitsu-Gami, and Shadow of the Ninja Reborn. If beat-em-ups are fine then look for Fight N Rage, Ninja Warriors Once Again, Streets of Rage 4, Final Vendetta, Jitsu Squad, and Dawn of the Monsters.

>>713665838
>Aztez
>Aces Wild
>Magenta Horizon
>Final Vendetta
>Jitsu Squad
>Dawn of the Monsters
noted. already got the rest, yet to play though

>wokeblader is shitting on NGB puzzles
fucking based, someone had to say this

>>713664193
>UT doesn't delimb
Gay

>>713648205
Regarding FFXVI hate from what I read, a lot of the hate in the board is more in the case of it being a mainline FF game that does not have controllable party members, being turn-based or storyline being whimsical.
In regards to the criticism of the game itself, FFXVI is missed opportunity, the game. Foundation to story is great, but never really does anything well to build upon it. Gameplay is relatively alright, but gets dragged down a lot due to the levels being barren and wide, Clive walking slow and shit taking a while to unlock, and that's before you take in FF mode before unlocking the Ultimaniac stuff.
TL:DR - Shit's slow for the gameplay FFXVI provides and Garuda is the first sign the game falls apart.

>>713666902
Filtered

>>713669532
It did tho

Bros, I'm about to enter Master ninja in NGB and NG2 but I'm still bad at wind run and guillotine throw. Pressing A and X together is filtering me, I can't do it consistently in combat. I think I can get through NGB without GT but I know I'm fucked in NG2 without those delimbs.

>>713670510
I set it to R1. The game instantly became way better like that.

>>713670510
Just learn how to play with your thumb always hovering above X and A so you can press them together whenever
You'll want to press each button with these parts

>>713624532
>Yakumo still looks gay no matter what footage they show of him
>Ryu still hasn't been shown with another weapon and the pre-order bonus only has one weapon skin for him
This is going to be a trainwreck.

>>713637978
>parries that influences enemy position instead of just giving you an instant advantage
Yakuza games do this, and different stances have different dodges too iirc

>>713637978
I've always preferred defense being focused on "don't be in the way dumbass" with "trade some life to keep momentum/not lose much more life" as a close second. But when it comes to dedicated defensive mechanics that serve multiple purposes, there's also God Hand's entire right analog stick and Stranger of Paradise having two different blocks with different parry timings/effects. Magenta Horizon's hook and how it allows you to pass through some things and not others but still have i-frames during the pull really helps you find a moment during the chaos most of the encounters in that game present you with.

bump

It's really funny watching people stream Spirit X Strike
They always start out loving it and hyping it up and going OH MY GOD ITS GOT THE SAUCE
And then they hit the bosses and you can just watch them turn on it.

>>713670510
...what? You have to be an actual retard dude sorry. You just use your thumb to press both buttons it's not hard. You would have to have really small hands for that to be an issue

How do i make my retarded little brother to stop playing ZZZ and play real action games?

>>713675458
You have to hard cut him off and force him to play other games. Your brother will turn into a drooling retard if you continue to let him play gacha games.

>>713622427 (OP)
2023 is missing Wanted Dead you should update it for next thread

Reminder NG4 will be garbage and kill action games again.

>>713622427 (OP)
>Relink
>NG Ragebound
>Shinobi
... what?

>>713675458
Bait him with
>Hey, bro, I saw you play ZZZ. I have this cool game that plays somewhat like ZZZ, but you play as %characterclass%. Wanna try it?

>>713677542
Nah, TN/ Microjeet is gonna pay asmon to shill it. It's gonna do well enough to keep the genre on life support. It's up to the chinks to revive the genre and move on from souls slop

>>713622427 (OP)
>nier automata
>kh3
>stylish action
lmao might as well include ffxv

>>713622427 (OP)
>kh3
lol

>>713648205
its barely an rpg and it has even less action combat mechanics than xv or hell type0 or sop

>>713637978
xv has like 5 different defensive options and multiple different variations of evasive maneuvers with different tradeoffs
for example this shield block here topples the iron giant because block was input at the last possible second, had you for example held out a sustained block it wouldn't have toppled

>>713681884
>>713681978
You didn't know? Kh is backed by the figure heads of this genre.

>>713682613
nomura said kh was influenced by mario 64s 3d movement
the combat style is just nomuras idea of what ff gameplay would be like as a menu based action rpg

You forgot one

is this good game design?

>>713683435
If you're high iq it is

>>713624532
Looks good.

nier automata's combat fucking sucked and i can't believe i thought it would be a character action game just because platinum put their name on it

>>713626903
Its good, but not great.

>>713683687
It literally has good combat you just barely get to use it in between cut scenes. The debug room is the only good thing about the game.

>>713628634
I mean, that's basically threw for every director. Its in their names even, their jobs is to surround themselves with different people to create one game.
Frankly, directors are way too overexposed, especially with the "A Kojimbo game meme"

>>713683687
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>713682613
KH being stylish action because Nomura stood in the same room as Kamiya once is wild. The game is 80% cutscenes, 15% mashing X, and 5% Donald refusing to heal you. If KH is stylish action then Mass Effect is a dating sim.

>>713684129
gladly--
>on reddit
how dare you

>>713684074
*true for

>>713684074
Of course but I think there is merit in a director who is able to consistently surround himself with talented people. Every game Kamiya has worked on has great talent, without being the exact same thing. Bayonetta is especially impressive to me in just how unique a lot of it is, especially the music.

There aren't many directors quite like Kamiya who has been able to work at multiple studios and various dev teams and still put out stuff with a lot of effort put into it. Scalebound was admittedly the only example that to me looked like it would be shit but thankfully it got cancelled.

>>713624532
Did that other enemy phase out of existence when he went for the OT, and then popped back in at 0:04? That's fucking disgusting.

god hand is too random at lvl die. A lot of stuff becomes unreactable and when you watch "good" players play, you realize there's a lot of moments where they easily die. When you see good clips or runs posted by them, you have to remember that it took a lot of luck.

That's not to say there isn't any skill involved, simply that you have to basically guess at times to pull off stuff that APPEARS impressive. As enemies do not actually behave in super predictable ways and can randomly dodge a move and punish you or will have such fast block animations that you can't actually guard break it in time (at least for tougher enemies like elites). It's still fun, in a way it feels like a fighting game where you're trying to "read" the opponent even tho it's a CPU so it's almost completely random but it feels really good when it works out

>>713622427 (OP)
>slave zero x
alright /v/
give it to me straight (no pun intended)
how much of the gay romance in the story is explicitly in your face
ive read in some places there some very subtle tones of it but nothing overt
is this true?

>>713685687
It's not worth playing period. The game has extremely barebones gameplay, it's not even that fun if you care about combofagging.

>>713685727
you didnt answer the question though
is the gayness smeared in your face or is it tolerable?

>>713634893
MegaMan X7 looking better than I remembered

>>713622427 (OP)
Where's nioh?
>Muh soullikes
It has more style and indepth combat than most games on this list

>>713622427 (OP)
Rise of the ronin?

>>713683435
Out. Fucking. Skilled.

>>713648797
DMCucks will insist they aren't casuals who only play DMC (if they even play it at all) and then share the most generic sandbag juggle of all time.

>>713622859
Oatmeal-san
I kneeru

>>713687863
Precisely. NG chads stay winning.

>>713683435
Skill issue

Ninja gaiden ragebound is not a game

Wanted to thank the anon who told me I'd died 80 or 90% less if I'd learned to Cicada Surge. Hope you're in these threads because I really appreciate the help. Really appreciate all the other anons that helped me get a better grasp of 3RE, because I am really slow and wasn't having fun until somebody explained a bunch of helpful strings.

Because another anon was struggling with Cliff, I decided to spend some time with that boss and learned the following: You can always block his first hit, then dodge his second really really late. If you dodge the absolute moment he's about to hit you, either toward or diagonally toward him you'll never get hit. If he starts shooting and you get close to him quick, you can do a full X string, or even an XXYYY or XXYYY on him, just be ready to cicada the moment after because he'll often go for a grab.
After he does an invulnerable pose, he'll become much more likely to do his quick charge grab, so you have to be quick on the draw to cicada. Added a video as example of how fun the fight can be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9riqzl.mp4

>>713691579
Meant to say XXYYY or XXXYYY

I like 3RE

repost because i missed the thread
After years of enjoying these games but never touching those endless modes, I finally tried out Angel Slayer
Holy shit, it's like my problems with the game just disappeared and I could actually enjoy it
No cancerous campaign gimmick, no annoying setpieces, no annoying cutscenes, this shit is amazing

>>713683687
Reminder your opinion on Automata means nothing unless you
>played drakengard 1
>played drakengard 2
>played drakengard 3
>read the drakengard 3 manga
>did the drakengard 3 DLC
>play nier
>did all sidequests
>read grimoire nier
>watch the untranslated stage play
>listen to the drama CD
>then finally play Automata and get all endings

>>713684662
>Scalebound was admittedly the only example that to me looked like it would be shit but thankfully it got cancelled.
Wasn't this because Xbox kept bugging them? I heard back then that they wanted a little girl to be the protagonist, not poor man's Nero.

>>713682843
>Magenta Horizon's
>Nomura idea

Finally someone understood KH combat

>>713685590
The fact that they block consistently helps a lot. It also helps to learn spawns. It's like NG2 from the mentor difficulty. Learn the spawns, use what's safe and optimize the damage. RNG can be boring and takes away a lot of the tech that can be used on lower difficulties, but it helps a lot to learn the game from top to bottom.

>>713622427 (OP)
>relink
doesn't deserve to be here
it's the simplest of the simplest hack and slash
"boss" strategy is merely: get out of the red circle
most characters play on one button

>>713694932
>didn't mention the gacha
>didn't mention the replicant remake
your opinion means nothing

>>713694631
Yup, AS is peak bayo

>>713623834
>>713625091
then why the fuck are no more heroes 3 and lollipop chainsaw there? suda has legitimately made no action game with a real combo game, much less rich mechanics. sekiro might be a reaction based game, but at the very least is an action game that requires much more fast-paced, deliberate offense than any fucking suda game

>>713685573
Noticed that too, looks like something you'd see in UE5 slop.

>>713697517
>suda has legitimately made no action game with a real combo game
>he hasn't played samurai champloo

>>713697517
I argue that every NMH should be on the list

>combo game

is not the only thing that defines stylish.

>Rich mechanics

There's a lot of tech in NMH, it's all about optimizing insta-kills and NMH has a combo game, if you love that kind of thing.
Stylish action should include more games; Every Treyarch spiderman game, Jet set radio and future, Bombrush, and there are many others...But as the other anon said. It's a “weeb games” list

>>713622427 (OP)
>no Bloodborne
It's the greatest action game ever made

>>713697920
Anon, NMH1 is unironically more of a rhythm game than Sekiro. I don't see a discussion that includes NMH1 as a stylish action game that doesn't include Sekiro.
And I like NMH1 more than Sekiro, but as a *video game?* Its "optimizations" aren't deep nor are its options rich. It feels good because it's about codifying awkward yet satisfying overindulgence in violence by literal rhythmic wagglan on the Wii.

A sequel can be inferior to previous games but still have merit and be worth playing, NG4 most likely won't be as good as NGB or NG2, but it still looks a good game

>>713625814
How well does it emulate?

>>713698231
>2
>good

>Take a look inside thread
>It's just a soundboard for Electric Underground
I like MarkMSX and his videos are entertaining, but the limitations of his perspective are pretty clear, no? Video games are audiovisual interactive things, and even gameplay itself can't be boiled down to *just* mechanics. His is a perspective that basically only works for shmups and critiquing the meta of a fighting game. He can barely tell you intuitively *why* Marvel 3 or GGXXAC are cool or have sauce *outside* of their mechanics, or how those mechanics interact with the music, writing, art, feedback like sound effects, etc.. For him
I forgive him though, because his hyperbole strikes me more as vented frustration and less him pushing that everything is actually the worst today.

>>713698376
Anon what the FUCK are you talking about?

>>713675458
>how do I stop my brother from playing a game he wants to play and play one I like, instead?
this is a recipe to make him hate the games you like anon

>>713698142
Yes, the game is simple. But to pull these things off is stylish. NMH3 goes even further and has combos and parryslop

>>713698404
Half of the posts ITT is a thinly veiled Mork opinion. You'll have to work harder if you don't want people to nootice

>>713698231
I seriously don't believe it's possible for them to make a game worse than 3. At the very least it'll be better than NG2B but not vanilla 2.

>>713698492
I still have no idea what you're talking
I'm guessing it's some e-celeb shit

>>713698492
Mark's opinions come from decades of fighting in forums. He's just a “popular” representative of those opinions. Go to gamefaqs and scroll through the discussions from 20 years ago. Those same arguments will appear

>>713622427 (OP)
chaos legion is the best one
i have no other comment

>>713698485
>it's stylish
in the sense that a bombastic animation plays after you press 3 buttons in sequence, no cancelling or much deliberation needed. in the same sense, sekiro is stylish because it plays a similarly bombastic animation once you build up stance break gauge.
anon, I know it's fashionable to like oldfag shit and dunk on newfag shit. this isn't a defensible position. NMH1 is considered actual slop in terms of gameplay, and it's well regarded because of its characters, amazing OST, weird atmosphere, and because it didn't have much competition on the Wii. it does NOT exhibit any of the likeable qualities of DMC, Bayo, NG, etc..

>>713698601
While true, neogaf and gamefaq discussions were much more scattershot in their criticisms and talking points, especially when it came to >ninja gaiden vs dmc
ITT, I see people take *literal talking points* from his video wholesale. I swear, it wasn't like this even just 3 years ago.

>>713698485
>NMH3 goes even further and has combos and parryslop
you misunderstand the categorization scheme that lets you draw a circle around bayonetta, dmc, and ninja gaiden. nmh3 has a bunch of disparate mechanics from different action games but rarely has any real interaction among them, much less deep interactions within the same mechanic (no interesting cancels, movement is too stiff to do anything cool, most optimal options are just about waiting for the enemy to dance in front of you before wailing on them)

>>713698774
There wasn't that DMC fanboy who hated everything that wasn't DMC. Matthew something. He also spouted those opinions. And he was much bigger than Mork. Anyway, this guy only got views because the algorithm loves outrage and Mork talked about outrage, even though it's not his thing, being a political grifiter

>e-celeb
COOL VIDEOGAMES FAGGOTS

>>713698925
But it's stylish. Does it have much depth? No, but the whole package is stylish. The thread should be called “games with fighting game mechanics” as there are many games that are based on style. Even Skate could be discussed here.

>>713698939
Matt is a DMC1fag and Kamiya dicksucker, he literally considers W101 his favorite game ever

>>713699053
then sekiro deserves a place on the original list as the stylish action game remake of tenchu.
I would sooner add Onimusha over both sekiro and nmh, and that game is just an old RE game

>>713699153
Sekiro is not only stylish but also better designed than almost the entire list.

>>713699223
it's a list that includes scarlet nexus, suda51 action games, dmc with donte, and bayo 3. it's honestly not the hardest bar to clear, but I agree lol

Mork made me buy Wanted: Dead it was okay

>>713624532
oh god
actual cancer

>>713699407
i liked Wanted: Dead but playing it definitely made me feel like Mork has more of an unironic contrarian boomer bias than I first thought. Either that, or he's honestly ready to get on his knees for Itagaki. I say this even though I agree with him that most gaming outlets can't grade games on anything other than production value.

>>713699557
He only says this because he has a parasocial relationship with Itagaki. He'll never say the same for a random indie game

>>713699734
True. He'll be so tough on an indie game that dared to have more than -1 cutscenes in a 3 hour period, but he'd work the shaft extra hard if Itagaki directed a full 2 hour unskippable movie for his next slop game.
Yes, production value isn't everything, but can we agree that part of why Ninja Gaiden is so good is because Ryu looks cool and the animations look and sound crunchy? That you can have these things even on lower production value, but Wanted: Dead was greatly lacking in this department?

>>713624532
Some of Yakumo's animations seems to lack proper keyframes or something, makes it looks more weightless than it should. His flying swallow is a good example, there's no build up, quick acceleration and cooldown to the moment; it's just one constant speed from beginning to end, which makes it look like he's just floating

>>713699973
It's a low budget Platinum game. This game comes from Koei not giving a fuck about NG IP and Microsoft pumping money into the Netflix thing. I thought initially the gamepass shift would be good and crunching wouldn't be a problem anymore, but microsoft is doubling down on crunch. The last few releases have been rushed because they want to win the algorithmic race.

>>713698264
nta but Devil's 3rd emulates perfectly even on my old potato, only thing you need to look out for is graphical glitches but there are guides on how to fix them

>>713699557
Both

>>713699927
>criticized Dark Ages turret sections
>Mork gave Devil Turd a pass
>criticized Stellar Blade progression
>Mork gave Wanted Dead a pass

>>713638686
Recently tried Sigma 1 and it feels floaty and janky compared to emulated NGB, I don't know why but it's just not as responsive or fluid for some reason.

>>713625259
Delete that

>>713702717
idk bout sigma 1 but sigma 2 has a BLACK mod that gets it pretty close to NG2

>>713703457
didn't the mod creator delete it?

>>713703592
it's easy to find and still maintained iirc

Two questions:
Are there any new builds of xenia that fix the audio big in NG2?
Do mods for NG2B fix Ryu's shitty tracking?

>>713699053
NMH is barely stylish. Onechanbara is stylish and low budget done right

>>713702510
remember, memorization + call and response is bad when we're talking about parryslop games, but memorization + call and response is good when we're talking about shmups and itagaki games :)

>>713705170
vanilla 2 has terrible tracking as well, i don't think mods can fix that

>>713705170
2blacked is just reskinned sigma 2 which included the shitty tracking

>>713705170
fiend busa did yeah
>>713707295
>vanilla 2 has terrible tracking as well
not true

>>713708786
combos in 2 black literally don't work because it's a dogshit game but the tracking in vanilla 2 is terrible too
ryu can't hit shit with his IS or bow and will randomly pick the second closes enemy for wind run instead of the guy besides him

>>713709064
This happens in NGB

>>713709334
not as bad as 2 simply because you're fighting 3 dudes instead of 10

>>713705970
>memorization
>shmups
shmups that require memorization like raiden 2 or gradius 3 are considerable harder than any itagaki game
nobody in 4chan can beat these games

>>713622859
>and that Ninja Gaiden 2 is the best game ever made.
No, that's Ninja Gaiden: Black. But you tried, Itagaki-san.

>>713711279
>Ninja Gaiden: Black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSDtxkSKrGk&ab_channel=JayTB123
ninja gayden black sucks

>>713656235
i wish i grew up with this

>>713624532
Why do the environments of all modern Ames look so soulless and dead
I don't want high end graphics but God damn
Can't they at least try to design something more appealing ?!
What happened to the vibrant cities of 90s beat em ups or the temple areas that are primarily made of wood. A wood that doesn't have the color of goo.

>>713626903
Its mid tier Bandai Namco shovel ware with good presentation

>>713683172
Bleh. Midiocare and forgettable. I had a way more fun with Chaos Z2. Kagura is a way better MC than Aya

>>713712934
look at this webm and tell me which you prefer >>713708786

>>713696071
This.

>>713697517
I played look pop chainsaw recently
It does have annoying cut scene bullshit especially with the bosses

But there is also gameplay stats that you can master to crowd control
And stuff like throws countering certain strong attacks from the elite enemies
It is character action but it really needs an arcade mode that removes all these pacing killing cut scenes

>>713698376
His brain is mush from all the shmup autism
He can only engage with games through mechanics
That being said he is on point on like 80% of the stuff he says
Especially him shitting on Re4 remake was a solid video

>>713713872
Everyone here knows that unreal engine is slop
Og ninja gaiden all the way

>>713714487
>His brain is mush from all the shmup autism
he is mot a good shmup player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16yD84DZJto&ab_channel=TheElectricUnderground
mork sucks

>Ask for access to Mightreya's playtest
>Get rejected due to not being a first worlder

I mean, I understand why but still

>>713697517
>then why the fuck are no more heroes 3 and lollipop chainsaw there?
Because it's a chart made by someone who hates the loving fuck of From Software.

>>713715457
>Mightreya'
cheap dragon ball tenkaichi ripoff

>>713683172
I found out yesterday that my JP PS4 disc for this exploded. Those PS4 button cases can be deathtraps.
So now I'm downloading the US digital version. Other than language stuff and a few DLC that the JP version never got, are there any other differences I should know about?

>>713622427 (OP)
why exclude beat em ups?

>>713717048
urban reign sucks
post a real 3d bmup

>>713717048
Game has been exposed for being cheap as fuck. Find something better.

Good meowning thread

XYXXXY

>>713720132
Not sugarcoating it

>>713720132
for me it's X+AYXY

>>713720132
for me it's
xxxyyy from ng3re

who the fuck made this encounter

>>713724013
who knows
ng1fags will really look at shit like that and go "yup, this is the best action game ever made"

This steam sale is garbage.

>>713624532
wtf is that?

>>713724013
Skill issue. It's a 30 second fight at most.
>>713724198
>game testing your mastery is now bad
Wrong.

>>713724405
Flying zoomer

>>713724741
h-he is flying b-because he's got he's gay little feather scarf OKAY?!

>>713724846
What is he? Some kind of RAVEN?

>>713725000
Heck yes!!!

>>713719992
what did he mean by this

>>713724665
>Skill issue. It's a 30 second fight at most.
Well, maybe, if you don't get interrupted out of aiming too much and don't summon 4 rocket launcher guys somehow.

>>713725198
He doesn't know.

Enemy design peaked here

>>713727476
>same exact moveset as on acolyte except they have is now
kek

i like god of war 3

That latest Ninja Gaiden 4 clip looked very good. I'm a believer now.

>>713622638
Excellent bait

>>713648797
Chaddy

>>713728461
Elaborate

>>713729520
its the only game in this dying genre with a decent budget

>>713729760
This is true

>>713683687
Anon people ITT are pushing fucking Senran and Oneechanbara as being good "stylish action" games.
The bar is nearing the earth's core.

>>713691579
Glad to hear it, it's a really fantastic game once you really start approaching it as what it is, I feel like that should be a given for any game but 3RE is both constantly rewarding and constantly engaging too in its average gameplay so it's a lot of fun. Odds are you're faster than you think, it's just a matter of recontextualizing how you learn and approach, and most people focus too hard on pushing forward or doing too much at once rather than breaking things down and sticking with a few things till you know them. Not that it's good to languish either, a lot of people have trouble with that too but I digress.

Cliff is a really fun boss, and one I always want to try learning a lot more about too. Nice gameplay, I'm not sure if you were purposefully avoiding the SoB chance because he takes so long to recover but it's a pretty interesting strategy and I like the punishes. Last time I fought him the big thing I noticed was just how multi-layered his strings and the potential punishes can be. Countering in the middle on his claw pokes if you see the chance can work extremely well and make for a really long stagger and combo. Stuff like that and how often he changes up his strings makes the fight really dynamic.

>>713685590
>god hand is too random at lvl die
It's actually a lot LESS random at level die. It's far more predictable to the point that speedruns of NG KMS on normal can legitimately be more difficult because enemy behaviors will vary more.

>Good runs take luck
No, you're just watching faggots that use tool-assists to cobble together lucky runs from bad gameplay.

>you can't react to guard break!
you're not supposed to, you're supposed to throw out guard breaks at the predictable guard triggers and duck cancel to make yourself safe.

What's giving you trouble? I can reliably do NG Hard KMS in about 4 hours (personal best a little under 3:30).

Any news on the rumor that Xbox was teaming up with Xenia to bring Xbox 360 Classics to PC?

>>713730895
calm down baldie

>>713731569
Yeah the xenia guys denied the rumors.

>>713731656
It's ok to be wrong
I'm more than happy to explain the intricacies of God Hand and teach people how to play on the harder difficulties
Just ask

>>713731923
shut up baldie

>>713732217
It's ok to be bad at video games, anon
It' s just a hobby

>>713731656
>>713732217
>baldie
Qrd? Or is it projection?

>>713732890
seconded, I want to hear some schizo ramblings or deep lore

>>713732890
>>713733591
whenever i hear somebody crying about tool assist and god hand, i always assume that person is Zana_G

>>713734797
Zana ragequit the entire community after a health scare and discovering that the method Roni_Evil was using to load the game in his speedruns fucked with item drop RNG and made heat cards way way WAY more frequent
You can't even find his runs or god hand streams anymore, he wiped them all out so no one would contact him about God Hand

>>713735063
Wasn't Mike also found cheating runs? Is that the thing to do then for them?

>>713735667
Mike was 100% using save states and got ratted out by his "friends" after he harassed and stalked yoshesque but he only ever posted shit to youtube and never actually tried to submit runs

>>713735063
>Roni_Evil
well at least moistsula still has the world record for hard difficulty

bump

>>713736137
true, but roni's trying for it and I assume whoever the new mod is for god hand speedruns (if there even is one) will accept it regardless
It sucks but that board is now effectively meaningless, not that there were ever a lot of attempters

>>713731923
In your opinion how is to see GH gain more popularity? Do you even think there's a conversion of actual players?

>>713622859
>greatest game director of all time
Devil's Third exposed he was a hack fraud

>>713622859
*blocks your path*

>>713739313
I don't really think God Hand can ever be more than a cult hit, it's just too niche and obtuse if not too difficult.
The biggest boons to its exposure have been videos from medium-sized youtubers like SethTzeentch or whatever the fuck, but these videos tend to get a lot wrong because the game is pretty obtuse and there's no good resources that really break it down. Fewer, now that Zana's runs are gone and can't be used as examples.

That's why I always try to spread what I know as much as possible, because it's just not out there to be found. Like did you know that in this fight Bruce and Felix walk a pre-set path until you aggro them? That means you can aggro one and lead him away and the other will finish the scripted walk, giving you a good chunk of alone time.

>>713698231
Honestly the more I read wokebladers critiques the more I straight up think it’ll be worse than OG3. There are so many glaring issues with the game design if you analyze the clips.

>>713739768
>wokebladers
Isn't he NG2pilled? You can't trust their critique if 2 is favorite. Red flag.

>>713739495
Wtf he worked on Ghosts?

>>713622427 (OP)
>someone actually know Slave Zero X
nice also are falcom game stylish action?

>>713739876
I don’t think you care about Ninja Gaiden if you don’t find NG2 to be the best one. NGB and NG3RE aren’t remotely close combat wise.

>>713739768
>if you analyze
>the more I read literalwhos critique

>>713735870
>heh... spamming high side kick and drunken moves is for scrubs, check THIS out
>*literally cheats at the same*
what a fag

>>713740206
Not really a literalwho, they have a lot of followers and are currently the most known NG fan.

>>713739979
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_to_Astaroth_no_Nazomakaimura:_Incredible_Toons

there's a lot of japanese exclusive console ports of western PC games on the ps1, capcom made a port of the incredible machine and at the last minute decided to give it a ghouls and ghosts skin and kamiya happened to work on it

>>713740064
>Someone on the steam sale thread said to avoid the game because it had gays in it
When did this place turned into reverse-Resetera?

>>713739628
>can't grow past cult status
Yeah I agree. Mechanics filter many but that's if the premise or presentation didn't do that earlier.
>these videos tend to get a lot wrong
Ever considered doing one yourself?
>did you know
I recognize you now. Remember you post this ever so often. Keep up the good fight anon. Someone has to do it.

>>713740554
>they
Uh oh
>most known NG fan.
No

>>713740757
>Ever considered doing one yourself?
I've considered that and maybe recording and submitting a ng hard kms run but I'm a lazy fuck with zero social media presence and a comprehensive god hand mechanics guide would be LONG

>>713735063
Sanest speed runner?

>>713717048
Been seeing people say this is even better than God Hand. Is it actually worth playing? Doesn’t look amazing but maybe it’s more fun when you actually play it.

>>713741157
>this is even better than God Hand
Lol
Lmao

>worth playing?
With friends yes. Solo no.

>>713648205
It’s kino, /v/ has notoriously awful taste

>>713741069
>comprehensive god hand mechanics guide would be LONG
True. Perhaps a written document? Either way I believe the community will be better with your insight.

>>713720132
SQUARE

Shit, I might as well dump some of the more obscure mechanical things about God Hand that I know.

>Charge attacks
Charge attacks are REALLY fucky, I don't know what hacked together solution they built them with but they do a lot of crazy shit:
- Charging an attack while in god hand release will pause the meter drain until the move's active frames letting you stay in the release WAY longer
- Charging an attack on the first possible frame after waking up slowly (ie not hitting X when you hit the ground to ukemi/quickrise) will extend your i-frames until the move's active frames. This is EXTREMELY useful in group fights as it will typically give you a free fully charged upper or fist of justice to get enemies off of you.
- Charging an attack on the first frame after completing a pummel will cause certain enemies' timescale to break and essentially put them in slow motion until the move's active frames. I know this works on at least Felix and True Shannon. No, I have no earthly idea why.
- Charging an attack will fuck with the way the game stores your position which can allow you to manipulate enemy AI to an extent. The biggest example of this is against Aangra: When he flies up off screen he's coded to randomly choose to drop back down on top of you or directly behind you, but if you charge an attack while he's doing this he will always come back in front of you.

>>713741864
>- Charging an attack will fuck with the way the game stores your position which can allow you to manipulate enemy AI to an extent. The biggest example of this is against Aangra: When he flies up off screen he's coded to randomly choose to drop back down on top of you or directly behind you, but if you charge an attack while he's doing this he will always come back in front of you.
lol I remember abusing this against him

can I talk about astlibra here or are 2D games automatically verboten

playing on hard mode it feels like two hand weapons are fucking useless against every boss fight because they're all bullet hells and not being able to block means there literally isn't enough iframes between backstep/spells to dodge everything, am I just missing something?

>>713741864
>charge while in god hand release will pause the meter drain
Seen that work for midget sorcerer boss.

>>713740640
Sounds good to me
Not only that but the game is fucking shit and starts with a cutscene that shows off how many faggot youtubers are in it

>>713739628
>too difficult
meh
real time strategy and fighting games are still alive, while hack n slash and beat em up games are almost dead

>>713741864
>Out of Bounds
There are three OoB's that I know of:
- On 2-3 Giant Enemy Crane you can use the Crane to push Gene through the wall letting you skip having to kill the crane. You have to go to one of the corners, move yourself just a liiiiiitle bit to the right of it, backflip to not get hit by the crane smash, and then mash sidestep or taunt and the crane's animation will push you through
- On 2-6 The Cliff Ahead there is a ladder that leads to a small plateu with a door and next to the door are two windows with wooden blocks on them that gene can collide with. If you angle yourself just right towards them while backing up you'll get the "jump down prompt" and Gene will jump into the wood which will propel him to the right and into the wall taking you out-of-bounds and letting you skip the room
- On 4-5 You, Me, Pattycake the game's geometry takes an extra frame or two to load, so if you mash left sidestep as soon as possible you'll just slip through before it loads and you can just walk around to the exit skipping the entire stage

Any of these on sale? I have DMC, DMC5, and Simga collection. I like Ninja Gaiden a little more

>>713742410
>mash left sidestep as soon as possible
That's fucked lol

>>713742440
If you somehow haven't played Bayonetta then get it, it's on sale for $7 right now
Also Vanquish is awesome but hard filters /v/ because they're casual

>>713742374
>while hack n slash and beat em up games are almost dead
Why do you think that is?

>>713742374
Fighting games are "alive" but completely neutered, shit, and with a community of paypiggies that are hypersensitive and corporate worshipping e-celeb worshippers

>>713742621
besides classic god of war none of these games were big hits even ninja gayden had low sales

>>713742680
>Fighting games are "alive" but completely neutered
go and win the 1 million prize for city of the wolves if modern fighting games are so easy and neutered like you said

>>713742916
Ah so you got into fighting games with shit like Strive and Tekken 7, no wonder

>>713742410
>>713741864

>Stun/Dizzy
Whatever you want to call it there's an invisible number keeping track of how much stun you've dealt to an enemy and when the number is checked and it's past a certain threshhold the enemy will see stars and a pummel prompt will be available.
- This value is not checked every frame, it is checked when attacks that didn't launch/juggle/trip land and when an enemy gets up slowly off the ground (it is not checked if an enemy quick-rises or if they backflip an attack). It is not just possible but very common for an enemy's stun to be full or overflowing without them getting stunned because the value hasn't been checked.
- Moves that have special properties on counterhit but not on a normal hit (for example low kick will trip on a counterhit but not a normal hit) will deal extra stun if the property does NOT proc.
- Attacks that intersect an enemy hitbox when they are invincible, like when an enemy is waking up, will still deal stun. This is highly abuse-able and you can see it at work a bit in the webm here: >>713635336

>>713730895
Holy fucking defense force. Hey autist, did you miss the parts where I point out that this shit is fine and that the game is fun? christ man get that dick out of your mouth.

>>713743043
that has nothing to do with fatal fury
you are a moron

>>713743170
>all lowercase passive aggressive tranny syntax
Yep, it's a fighting game newfag
I feel sorry for you

>>713742549
It really is.
The game was made with no money on an engine they built out from RE4's/Okami's before MT framework was put together. When you start pushing you can really see the cracks. It's pretty interesting

>>713743132
calm down, I'm just pointing out things you're wrong about not attacking you
if you can't take that you shouldn't be on 4chan

>>713743281
shut up bitch
i played garou mark of the wolves decades ago and despite that city of the wolves is not an easy game

>>713743493
Just like how Mork is a third strike veteran, you're a garou veteran, got it

>>713743289
>It's pretty interesting
It really is. Adds to the games charm.

>>713743052
>- This value is not checked every frame, it is checked when attacks that didn't launch/juggle/trip land and when an enemy gets up slowly off the ground (it is not checked if an enemy quick-rises or if they backflip an attack). It is not just possible but very common for an enemy's stun to be full or overflowing without them getting stunned because the value hasn't been checked.
I took advantage of this to beat the psychic midget on my KMS run. Had absolutely no regrets

>>713743580
>Mork mentioned
He has fallen to meme status. Grim.

>>713743796
>fallen
Mork was always a meme

>>713743881
>Searching for posts with the filename ‘ngGAWDS’. 20 results found.
Can't tell if you've been broken by NG fans, Mork, or both. It's pathetic either way.

>>713743580
hyper defense and guard cancels are pretty demanding
you are a dumbass

>>713744101
I just like to show how much of a fucking GOD mork is
He, like all NG faggots, doesn't actually play the terrible games

>>713743052
>>713742410
>>713741864
Some other random shit that I see people get wrong:

-God Hand release multiplies the damage of most attacks but does NOT multiply roulette damage. However, heat cards (orange cards with Gene's jacket logo on them) do! If you're not on a KMS run and you find a heat card in a boss that's your cue to fucking delete them with a roulette
-There is no benefit to alternating left/right attacks or punch/kick attacks. Frame data is consistent.
-Left Jab is not the fastest startup in the game, though it is probably the most useful opener. It's active on the sixth frame. Chin Music, Sugar Gene Combo, and Floating Butterfly are all active on the fifth frame. The only reason they aren't obvious picks for the first hit on square is the fact that they're multi-hit.
-You don't need to mash circle when doing a pummel, you can mash any or all of the buttons. Save your wrist a lot of pain and do so.
-Increases in level do not give Gene any mechanical benefits, it's just difficulty/rewards. They also do not change enemy health or resistance values, just behavior.
-Easy and Hard mode do not just lock the level gauge. While easy does max the gauge out at level 2 and hard does lock the gauge at DIE, easy also reduces enemy HP by 20% and hard increases enemy HP by 20%
-Hitting an enemy while they are in an attack animation will not necessarily give you a counterhit, enemy animations have specific counterhit windows

That's all I can think of at the moment but I'm happy to answer questions or provide strategies for specific fights

>>713743580
actually hes a SSBM pro

>>713744415
Non exhaustive list of Morks achievements
>greatest shmup player in the world
>greatest melee player
>greatest third strike player
>greatest virtua fighter player
>expert at every single action game
The only thing Mork can't do is lose

>>713744537
KEK

>>713744158
So you've been broken by both, got it. Hope you get better soon!

>>713743881

>>713744731
>daring to criticise e-celebs is LE MINDBROKEN
You newfags are annoying

>>713744295
>-You don't need to mash circle when doing a pummel, you can mash any or all of the buttons.
isn't it literally impossible to win at any grapple escape/pummel fight on hard mode if you don't do this? can you just mash circle with near tas level speed?

>>713744754
>wearing shades and a leather jacket inside
Jesus christ

>>713744537
Where's Mork NG2 and GH tutorials?

>>713744880
oh but its cool when itagaki does it?

>>713742374
Personally I don't think God Hand is overly difficult if you're playing it casually. The level system does a good job of keeping things manageable and I think 99% of people could mash their way through the game at level 1 even if they suck ass.
In my mind the biggest problem new players have with God Hand is that it doesn't play like anything else and it does nothing to teach you how to play it. Most players aren't going to be able to intuit things like counterhits, will naturally be afraid to use the duck-dodge or worse won't realize it can be spammed and will think it's akin to a perfect parry, and won't be curious enough to go into training to really figure shit out. Important moves being hidden in the paper manual and property listings in the store being straight-up fucking wrong certainly don't help.

>>713744828
You can do it but you've gotta be one of those mario party fuckers that can smash out 11-12 presses a second

>>713744981
>itagaki
>cool

>>713744785
Criticizing is one thing, posting the same image over and over for six months since December of last year is another. Get help.

>>713744979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABS5KHMTekw
It's a masterpiece
Yes the slowdown, bad level design, shovelware enemies, retarded AI, stupid bullshit like invisible mines, long loading times etc, they're just for the hardcore and anyone criticising it is a casual
>god hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SYVfDFT84o
Next time, don't you dare question Mork

>>713745202
Bog its over. Mork has lost all credibility.

>>713745202
>STOP INSULTING MY E-CELEB
lmfao
This is the guy that thought fucking parrying in DMC 3 was some hyper obscure tech and needed a full save from his buttbuddy
Not to mention, he knows so little about DMC 3 that he thinks the style switching mod is how it's meant to be played

>>713743881
>>713744754
>>713744880
You guys shitposting Electric Underground for MONTHS made me think he was some fucking retarded pseud but when I actually started watching his videos he makes pretty high effort videos and actually has unique things to say about the games he talks about.

I don't agree with all his opinions but he's a great YouTuber. Also he's really good at videogame's just in general even if he doesn't play NG2 on MN he's 1cc'd SHMUPs that have lower clear rates than MN soooo.

Also in that video he's self-aware about the sunglasses indoors and it was just a nod to Itagaki

>>713745591
OK Mork, back to the cuckshed to grind more Ketsui

>>713745471
Don't forget about the book he's writing.

>>713745650
You know, if this guy was a total dickhead like asmongold or some of the other celebs then I'd understand but he's literally the most neutral commentating indoor voice civil game discusser I've seen on YouTube desu

>>713745758
It's what he says that matters, not how
And he says is fucking nonsense

>>713745650
>Ketsui
i hate the ura loop
so many revenge bullets

>>713745245
>bad level design
Did he say that? He must have played the game wrong.

>>713745693
This is a new one, what's the book about?

>>713745591
I think he's very genuine but outside of shmups I think his analysis often misses the point. His Third Strike review spends like 5 minutes calling super jumps a brilliant innovation for the genre while never mentioning the actually deep and innovative meter system.

>>713745245
>that god hand video
I know I should just be glad the game is getting exposure but when people make a full fucking video about it but get basic shit wrong it fucks with my autism.
When he said "a duck dodge has less i-frames" and said it's good for avoiding single strikes with lots of recovery I nearly choked on my own spit.

For those unaware the duck dodge has ZERO i-frames. None. Zip. Nada. What it does is literally lower your hurtbox - this is why attacks you could normally duck on flat terrain will it you if you're above an enemy on a slope. There are also moves like ducking sweep or running slide that lower your hurtbox even further allowing you to get under moves you ordinarily couldn't duck like the purple demon's projectiles. It also cancels into itself, meaning that lowered state is effectively infinite in duration as long as you keep mashing up on the right stick.

>deep and innovative meter system
>you can gain meter on whiff
LMFAO
O I AM LAFFIN

>>713745471
I'm not defending Mork here either. I do think Mork can be very idiotic at times too, even if he does sometimes say things I actually agree with. I just find it rather pathetic and honestly weird that you have him legitmately living rent free in your head, posting the same screenshot from one of his videos for months over and over again. Just laugh at him when he says some stupid shit instead.

>>713745965
About DMC3. A game he didn't know about basic mechanics after years of playing it apparently.

>>713746175
he must be a yun player

>>713746227
>see stylish action thread
>post NG GODS ARE IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT EVERYBODY JUST HAVE A GOOD TIME
>easily attach the file
>post
You tech illiterate zoomies are so fucking stupid you think that's a herculean task

autistic thread

>>713746274
>>713746131
>>713746075
>>713745471
This is what happens when people refuse to do real research or talk to experts when making content.
It's really not hard to reach out to people that know what they're talking about to make sure you're not fucking up. Especially when it comes to video games the autists that know them inside and out will leap at the chance to talk about their special interest.

>>713746274
Can't wait for the chapter on how parrying having super armour was the most obscure tech ever

>>713746175
>>713746324
Whiffing normals for meter is the worst part about it. I'm talking about how each selectable super having different bar lengths/stocks while EXs always cost the same amount of meter gives a lot of depth to the system. Supers could've been balanced better to make choosing more important for most of the cast but the concept is extremely smart and I'm surprised nobody's copied it.

ROTR definitely has some sauce, but I pirated it because of the shitty performance.

>>713746452
>hits you then juggles you until death
Nothing personal kid

>>713746520
>nobody's copied it.
thats a good thing
fuck crapcum

>>713746454
No one can do these games justice anon. Mork unfortunately has to keep up and churn out those uploads.

play crimzon clover

https://youtu.be/kTVBWWdUj0U?si=HLGojF5TScsnRJLB

>>713746358
You have to be legitimately mentally ill to not realize that doing that over and over for months straight is, in fact, quite weird. Having someone, or in this case, a group of people, live rent free in your head like that is certainly not normal. Again, get help. You're not being funny or anything, you're just being weird.

>>713746843
>you're just being weird.
everyone in this thread is weird and not in a good way

>>713746843
>posting an image on an imageboard is weird
Holy fucking newfag

>>713746736
You're not wrong but if you're taking the time to edit together an hour-long video you probably have the time to shoot off an email or two.

I just found out that Darksiders 2 had a budget of $50 million
no wonder THQ went bankrupt

>>713746936
>everyone in this thread is weird and not in a good way
True enough, I guess. I can't say I'm exempt from that. Some are weirder than others, though, but that just seems to be the type of people this genre attracts.

>>713745591
>he's 1cc'd SHMUPs that have lower clear rates than MN soooo.
because only total sickos are going to play a 30 year old shump in current year while ninja gaiden has had a decent amount of people who just play the game on normal once and move on over the years

>>713748624
>because only total sickos are going to play a 30 year old shump in current year while ninja gaiden has had a decent amount of people who just play the game on normal once and move on over the years
excuses
shmups are harder than ninja gaiden

>>713743881
He obviously knows how to play the games if you watch the content from his video.
The fact that he doesn't know what UTs are called makes me confident he just learned to play back when the game was released and isn't a secondary that watches videos and reads forum posts about the game.

>>713748835
>only 50 people have 1cc'd this game only 100 people have played in the last decade, that means its OBJECTIVELY harder then a game with 1000s of players and thus 100's of master players
you are genuinely stupid and I hope you don't vote or own property

>He obviously knows how to play the games if you watch the content from his video.

>>713748882
https://ninjagaiden.fandom.com/wiki/The_Ultimate_Technique

ninja gaiden 2 calls them that by name in the first level, unless you're saying he just didn't read any of the text and learned entirely by pressing buttons like a caveman?

>>713749025
keep crying bitch
inbachi was undefeated for 12 years
nobody has beat sin and punishment in turbo mode and that game was released in 2000
nothing in ninja gaiden can compare to that

never forget how bro "made it" to MN NG+++ without knowing how to guardbuffer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEsbgi-G-0Q&t=2320s

>>713749140
>ninja gaiden 2 calls them that by name in the first level
To be fair, you can easily miss all of those tutorial scrolls in the first few levels. But I'm pretty sure that anon is just joking anyway. Mork's gameplay was awful.

>>713749359
>inbachi
joke secret final boss in a game that until 6 months ago was stuck in 360/arcade jail so again its a boss only 50 people have ever played
>sin and punishment
not a shump so its an actual good game + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-Y6v2vsXY

>tfw you bought a series X just for NGII but now you can play GTA 6 day one

There's never been a better time to get a series x bros

>>713750346
I thought Microsoft got rid of/locked down the dev mode for series X that let you install emulators

>>713750406
it has an official enhancement patch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_backward-compatible_games_for_Xbox_One_and_Series_X/S

4k, 60fps HDR and all the works

>>713735063
>>713736137
Hahaha holy shit
I just checked and Roni is now the fucking mod for the God Hand speedrun board and it looks like he deleted USK and Hige's runs
What in the fuck

>>713730564
Thanks! I guess I feel a bit slow because I rarely venture outside what I know works. I was able to beat Black and II on MN without learning much of the movesets because the few things that work there, work extremely well. But 3RE is a different beast, I think the biggest moment when I started having fun (aside from after learning the holdY at the end of strings against alchemists and >X higher delimb chance from someone here) was against the final boss. I was struggling and struggling, and then I came up with my own answer, not willing to use other weapons. The (X) counter. And when it worked it's magic on those white claw fuckers, I was sold. It still took me till halfway through Hard to really understand the game's enemies, and I didn't even learn how to fully utilize SoB until after I beat UN, and cicada only came out of sheer necessity because I was doing a "no encounter skip/no lifebar upgrade" run on UN and the cracking ice floor encounter on Day6 was absolutely raping me until I cicada surged. When cicada clicked it felt as magical as when counter first clicked.

Yes, I was avoiding the SoB on purpose because I wanted to have as little downtime as possible. I had noticed counter being good on him, but hadn't come up with the right spot to use it, as using it on his openers usually ends in pain. I initially didn't like Cliff as much, but now with cicada he's amazing. I think I might have to replay this game again, just to see how I can weave cicada surge into everything. Thank you again for your advice!

Fellas, are there mods for NG2 BLACK that make it more like the original? Or should I stick with the Sigma 2 BLACK mod if I don't want to emulate?

>>713750518
I haven't bought a console since the mid 2000s, does this shit have some always online BS? Can I just buy one, get my favorite old games and then play it with no connection until it breaks?

>>713751184
Fiend busa has a mod for NG2B called Ninja Gaiden 2 White

>>713751184
BLACKED

>>713751184
Yeah there's one made by the same guy, it's called White. If you're using the latest version of the s2 mod then they same thing pretty much

Give me some tips for this game, I want to like it but it kicks my ass

>>713751252
initial setup/activation requires an internet connection and microsoft account (free to make) but you can play offline after

>>713751453
That's a railshooter, ask in the shmup threadm

>>713751789
This is the defacto shmup thread ALTHOUGHBEIT

>>713751789
Shmups are action games.

>>713751923
/thread

>>713750224
>360
but ninja gaiden 2 was stuck in the xbox 360 for years until 2019
you are an idiot

>>713751923
But are they stylish enough?

>>713752168
Rail shooters are more kino and stylish than s*mups

>>713751453
which controls are you using?

>>713752281
Classic controller layout because no wiimote

>>713750573
>>713735063
>>713736137
>new runner is, inadvertently or not, cheating
>refuses to accept that his method of game loading makes speedrunning way easier
>speedrun board mod quits over health concerns
>Cheater takes over as the speedrun mod
>suddenly every run that isn't south american is gone
I don't know if USK and Hige__ voluntarily took their runs down in protest or if Roni deleted them but either way that page has been rendered utterly useless. I know Hige__ hasn't quit running the game, his last RTA stream was fuckin' 4 days ago.

That kinda pisses me off.

>>713752342
if you want to beat star successor you need to get a wiimote or use dolphin to emulate so you can use the mouse instead
the game is too hard for classic controller

NEW THREAD?

>speedtranny bullshit
NOT GAMES

So is this Electric Underground actually worth watching?

I "speedran" godhand because I was so obsessed with the game in high school that I wanted to see how many enemies you could run past after realizing that you can just not deal with the clusterfuck alley at the start of the first stage but actively replaying the game over and over not for fun and happening to get better but to get your name on a leaderboard is some truly degen stuff

>>713752817
>degen
have you ever interacted with the god hand fanbase?

>>713752817
eh, I'm not actually submitting any runs (especially now that the leaderboard is horseshit) but a majority of lowering your time in God Hand is just being able to get through without dying.

I'm still not at the point where I can reliably get past the big stumbling blocks (Three Stooges 2, Flying Pyramid, Death Shudder, Afro Fist) without dying. I fly through most of the game but each of those takes me about thirty minutes and 4-5 tries even on a good day.

>>713752879
I fucking love God Hand but after having gotten more involved with the game's fanbase I'm shocked Zana didn't tap out way sooner. These people are not ok.

has there ever been a character action game with a huge focus on grappling moves? I kinda want a game that gives me the feeling of playing a fighting game grappler but in single-player

>>713745591
Some of what he says is fine and he puts important focus on some concepts that need a spotlight shown on them in this day and age, but it's paired with some shit that very obviously shows he doesn't fully know what he's talking about or can only view things in a paired down lens of what he personally likes, treating that as a mark of objective quality. Admittedly that's something almost everyone out there has troubles with no matter how informed or uninformed they are, but after recognizing all that from some videos and in particular the Alien Soldier one I figured I didn't really want to watch any more of them because of it.

>>713746454
Someone recommended some combat guide channel before. Might be worth.

>>713753295
Grimlock in Transformers Devastation. It's what makes him unique in that game. It's not the "focus" of the game as a whole, though.

>>713752879
my experiences begin and end with the funny godhand comic, do people have devilhandsonas and talk about how the game is a critique of capitalism because gene literally has to get money to live so he can get powerups?

>>713753295
mischief makers

>>713753582
>do people have devilhandsonas and talk about how the game is a critique of capitalism because gene literally has to get money to live so he can get powerups?
No, instead people cheat their balls off and claim to be the GREETEST ACKSHUN G4M3R and generally just jack each other off in Indonesian.

>>713746131
>t also cancels into itself, meaning that lowered state is effectively infinite in duration as long as you keep mashing up on the right stick.
When he started acting like it took timing I knew he was a complete retard. All I could think was that I bet the rest of his videos are filled with these errors and people who haven't played the games just don't realize.

>>713753295
Outside of Grimlock and arguably Nero, there's really just beat-em-ups since having the Haggar stand-in is pretty common in them. Max & Floyd in Streets of Rage 4, Ricardo in Fight N Rage, etc.

>>713753090
>Zana
just another autist obsessed with gay hand

>>713753295
>fighting game
man up and play a fighting game
you are a bitch

>>713754465
1v1 me now on fightcade bro, third strike, hugo only

bump

>>713755635
You can't bump threads past 500 posts

The next action game thread will be better guys trust me

>>713750796
Getting out of your comfort zone is by far one of the most important skills I think you can have in any game, and while it's not difficult to work on it's very easy to neglect so taking steps to work on it is always good. The final boss can be tough but gets very unfairly maligned for what is ultimately just a mob fight (supposedly the part everyone loves) with a lot of environmental hazards to make you keep your positioning and mobility even more active (supposedly what people really love about certain games in the series except it does it better, makes you think).
Counters are definitely great on the claw fiends and make a massive difference, having those discovery moments always feels awesome, but I can add a little more tech that you might've noticed. The claw fiends very rarely use SoB attacks and don't even use them when delimbed. The big exception is they're very prone to using them when you charge UTs if they're doing nothing. Since they return to neutral during an OT (like from an X counter delimb) and you can chain OTs into a hold Y UT charge it's a very consistent bait to open them up. Just get the timing and positioning right since their attack does low damage and is very short ranged but it is a grab, this helps Ki building by a ton.
Anyway keep at it, the more you learn the more you can apply through the whole game, and it really keeps adding up. I'm getting tempted to do a no health upgrade run myself now but it would probably be a nightmare without skipping ToVs and I never want to skip those when I get back round to replaying UN, I still want to practice a lot more in it.