thank you Team Ninja for not trying to appeal to a mainstream audience

>>713624452 (OP)
>not mission based
Yeah they did.

but they added an "automatic" Ninja Style
and at the cost of Flash and 2 (Samurai) weapons

>>713624452 (OP)
The skill tree fucking sucks and the loot hasn't been fixed and half the weapons being locked to ninja is fucking retarded
not looking good to be honest

>>713626083
People who went out of bounds confirmed that the weapons are not locked to ninja

>>713624452 (OP)
and fuck them for that
the game looks decent so ill have to upgrade my pc because the game will be optimized like garbage

they did that when they changed the nioh alpha to soulslike slop

>>713626083
>loot hasn't been fixed
DIEEEEEEE ALREADY PLEASEEEEEEEE

KILL

YOUR FUCKING

WORTHLESS

SELF

>>713626083
>kneejerk nigger response

>>713626083
catposters are the new frogposters

>>713624452 (OP)
>thank you for making yet another dogshit game
>and especially thank you for copying a more talented dev team's successful formula and making slight changes to it, but exclusively changes that make it far, far worse. You know, to make sure the game gets ignored like the trash pile it is
>thank you for having terrible missions, awful level design, worse enemy variety in the whole fucking game than just one side dungeon in Elden Ring, quite possibly the shittiest loot system in the history of video games, endless amounts of bloat/grind and piss poor balancing, unremarkable music and bosses, garbage storytelling and characters
>thank you corporation, my beloved! good job indeed!
>now watch me pretend to like this putrid shitheap and treat it as one of my favorites (each and every one of them is a game of low repute), because I think this makes me seem like a more interesting and unique person, I'm surely not like that "mainstream audience" after all :D

>>713627323
>>713627454
>>713627647
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T POINT OUT THE FLAWS OF THE GAME!!!!!!! ITS LE HECKING SOVLFUL!!!!!!!!!!!
cope and seethe, nioh 3 will be garbage and im not buying

>>713624452 (OP)
Reminder they'll be addressing feedback in august. I feel like most of the people who would go through the effort of filling out the feedback form are actual Nioh fans and understand that Ninja feels lacking so i'll be really curious to see what they'll have to say about it

>>713628060
The only thing Nioh takes (note, i'm not saying copies) from souls.

Stamina system (from didn't invent it but it obviously caught on because of souls)
Being able to lose XP after death and having to retrieve from where you died
Only being able to level up at checkpoints
Player graves

That's it. Everything else is either present in previous games (ninja gaiden has block dodge light heavy attack), something that's too industry wide to be purely associated with souls games (like equipment systems), or something they made up themselves (ki pulse system, stance system)

>>713624452 (OP)
why did they make the ui soulless tho

>>713624452 (OP)
If there's no Onmyo style then the game is shit.

>>713629624
Play wo long then

>>713626083
I just wait for the cheat table to release that lets me skip all of the boring unneeded RPG shit so I can actually play the game.

>>713629715
>parry slop: the game
No

>>713624452 (OP)
>thank you Team Ninja for not trying to appeal to a mainstream audience
But they did, that's why it's not level based anymore.

>>713624452 (OP)
its a soulslike lmfao

>>713629841
Spoken like a Conquered player rather than a Conqueror.

>>713624452 (OP)
nigga these guys increased the parry window for wo long when everybody complained with the first beta test lmao

>>713624574
This is probably going to hurt replayability so badly. If I have to run through empty fields over and over again I'm not going to play this more than once.

>>713624452 (OP)
>most people online seem to be hating the ninja/samurai split
>soulless open world
>body type A/B
>runs like ass
Sorry, but this game is guaranteed to be dogshit and will flop harder than Ronin. Maybe this will make Team Ninja faggots finally open their eyes and start playing good games.

>>713624452 (OP)
>body type a/b
Looks like they did!

>>713624452 (OP)
Do males and females still have the same movement animations like in 2 even though the first game has separate ones?

>open world
frfr no cap?

>>713630398
It will probably be similar to Rise of the Ronin where you can replay levels/mission from your longhouse

>>713628862
>subjective personal shit opinion
>lying about shit that was proven wrong by dataminers
You're not pointing out flaws you're being an inbred retarded nigger

>>713624452 (OP)
>open world
yeah... they are totally not trying to appeal to norms

>>713629841
>parry slop: the game
BWWOOOAAAAHHH!

>>713631139
We already know that's how it works

>>713624452 (OP)
This post is sarcasm right?

>>713631208
Yeah, burst counters are garbage. One of the worst things they added to 2.

Nioh is such a fucking dogshit garbage franchise it's baffling to me that so many of you retards suck its dick
It's literally the worst souslike out of them all. Worse than fucking Code Vein and Lord of the Fallen

>>713631683
(you)

>>713624452 (OP)
yeah they are appealing to the modern audience instead with body types and tranny pronouns
die troon

>>713631315
Ah, neat! The demo didn't come to PC so I had no idea

>>713631754
>NOOOOOO ANYONE WHO CALLS THIS SHIT GAME SHIT MUST BE BAITING

>>713631532
If there's a way to completely turn off burst counter and dark realm in Nioh 3 my enjoyment will automatically be ten fold more than Nioh 2. I find these more annoying than damage sponges.

>>713624452 (OP)
>for not trying to appeal to a mainstream audience
>post their mainstream audience game
imagine being that retarded lmao

>>713631845
body type shit is forced onto them by Okinawa zogbot base

>>713624452 (OP)
Will this be the game that finally kills Team Shitja for good?

the Ninja/Samurai system being contentious is good news to me
I hope it is also tumultuous at TN

>>713631920
Fun Fact: I'm the only one here that enjoyed Samurai Warrior 3 and Samurai Warriors KATANA

>shitter hasn't played nioh for .01 seconds
>UHH GUYS WHAT STATS SHOULD I LEVEL WHAT BUILD SHOULD I GO FOR GUYS IS THIS GAME sUPPOSED TO BE HARd

how do you respond

>>713632009
The easy fix is to have the option for Samurai/Samurai and Ninja/Ninja styles. More options for builds is what makes Nioh appealing to play and experiment.

>>713631857
Seethe more

>>713631879
Burst counters still exist but you can use guardian spirits to stop burst attacks now rather than having to rely on burst counters
Still not a fan but it's an improvement

Wait, is there really no Onmyo this time around?

>>713631879
whats wrong with dark realm? ki management is ez so they had to put something to challenge ki pulse and flux

>>713632238
Tell him "I like ya, and I want'cha. Now we can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way, the choice is yours"

>>713632381
It's tied to yokai cores now but in the demo there was no onmyo skill tree so

>>713632381
Its tied to yokai summons now

>it doesn't need to have all weapons for samurai and ninja
>it doesn't need a mission system
>it doesn't need gender in character creation
>it doesn't need an onmyo skill tree
>it doesn't need yokai abilities
>it doesn't need stances in ninja mode
>it doesn't need to run well despite looking like a 2010 game
>it doesn't need to be fun
>it doesn't need to sell more than 1000 copies

>>713632413
>whats wrong with dark realm?
Repetitive and ruins the aesthetics to the point of boredom. It's like every yokai has the same move. I prefer to fight human enemies in Nioh 2 because I don't have to put up with dark realm.

>>713632497
>>713632458

Fuckin hell I was gonna do a full Onmyo build this time around to complete the trio. Hopefully there’s enough to make it work.

The (You) farmers are really going hard on this thread, eh?

>>713632374
>Burst counters still exist but you can use guardian spirits to stop burst attacks now rather than having to rely on burst counters
>Still not a fan but it's an improvement
We really should let Team Ninja know in feedback next time. Just an option to turn it off from the menu, as well as a toggle to turn dark realm off.

>>713624452 (OP)
I'm suprised at how many issues 2 had that they've addressed. I had no expectations for this game and figured it would be Nioh 2.5. The most contentious thing for me is the lack of a mission structure.

>>713632607
ok but give me the exact gameplay reason why you don't like the dark realm because it sounds like your reasoning is retarded

>>713626083
>The skill tree fucking sucks
The alpha one is incomplete, remember nioh 2 alpha?
>and the loot hasn't been fixed
Nothing to fix, its perfect
>and half the weapons being locked to ninja
Hopefully they include the full roster with a variation of each weapon for samurai/ninja

>>713632820
That is my reason and why I prefer Nioh 1 over Nioh 2. Dark Realm sucks. You're just going to have to deal with someone disliking something you like.

>>713631115
semi-open interconnected big levels like Dark Souls
what you always wanted

>>713633005
I never wanted that. Mission based is perfect

>>713633072
same but soulsbabs were louder than us

>>713633176
Nioh format unironically does not fit bigger levels. It's just silly and unless they really rethink their approach to open world and enemy density, replayability will suffer as a result.

>>713632997
>I don't like the dark realm because aesthetic reasons

Welp, you are retarded then but you made it extra retarded when you said you preferred human enemies.

>>713633005
I never wanted that. I like the level structure because you can go back to a level at any point you want. They're all meant to be periods of time. Open world shite is the bane of gaming right now, everything has to play the same. The only positive is that it's open field rather than open world. At least Team Ninja had the foresight to do that instead.

>>713633381
>he can't deal with humans
lmao, retard

>>713633381
>Welp, you are retarded then but you made it extra retarded when you said you preferred human enemies

>Team Ninja announces Nioh 3
>Everyone hates it
Should have made Wo Long 2 instead

>>713633664
>>Everyone hates it
In what world? Threads were teeming with positive discussion when the alpha dropped.
>wo long johnson 2
no lol

>>713632997
you have gear to make it easier shitter-kun

>>713628862
Loot is alright in nioh, it's been like this for 3 games and its core player base enjoys it. This is unironic nigger think when you come to a hobby you dislike and tell everyone to change it to fit your tastes.

>>713633312
>>713633312
yeah you dont want bigger lvs trying to grind for a fucking attack

>>713633664
Hoping for Wo Long 2 after Nioh 3

>>713633381
the worst boss in nioh 2 is a yokai

>>713634232
I sure don't. Thankfully cheat engine exists for the non-lobotomized that don't want to farm in an action game.

>>713632997
that guy is too right desu, dark realm is good gameplay wise and makes its core mechanics (ki pulse, flux) more important

>>713634515
>don't want to farm in an action game.
action rpg*

>>713634226
It has zero to do with making things easier. Your difficulty assumption is a coping mechanism for someone disliking a mode you like. I just want an option to turn is off, that's it. That won't affect anyone else's enjoyment of the game.

>>713632860
come on man the loot is not perfect lol
diablo 2 is 20 years old and it has satisfying loot progression but it also has shit like armors that let you teleport, stacking "+x% chance to cast y" on zealots to flood the screen with spells, sets that let you play as enemy monsters, a unique staff that's bad for spellcasting but great for clubbing guys to death with, runewords that let you stack auras etc
all the set bonuses in nioh 2 are lame extra damage. even something like versatility which seems interesting at a glance is just extra damage. it's lame as fuck

>>713634595
Yeah like I said, an action game.

>>713634605
I want to trun off game machanics this is not civ you pc faggot

>>713634540
Stop trying to force me into a mode that I detest. Nioh 1 is amazing without Dark Realm and I want that experience again.

>>713634621
That's what you think. I like it. I wouldn't mind more set bonuses with active skills like stranger of paradise but the core system as is, is perfect.

>>713634515
It really doesn't matter what you like, good games aren't made for everyone

>>713634709
Dark Realm never existed in Nioh 1 and I'm requesting an option in a single player game. You just want me to play your experience, which is why you don't back having the option in the options menu to turn it off.

>>713634809
thought luck because the game is better with the dark realm

>>713634965
who gives a fuck whats in 1 if you want 1 stick to it and shut the fuck up you whiny cunt

I hope there's a few villages in this game with friendly npcs. No point in an open world if everything is just ruined with corpses strewn about

>>713634874
so if they added a bunch of cool shit like extra abilities or gamechanging mechanics or w/e to item sets you would consider that a downgrade?

>>713634996
>>713635046
Would you two have a massive tantrum if Team Ninja implemented the option to turn dark realm off?

>>713635098
waste a time for a action game, are you the anon that hates the dark realm the shit taste pariah

>>713635269
Open "field" is already a waste of time, may as well go all the way at this point.

>>713635269
There's more than one of us that hates Dark Realm?

>>713635213
I thought it'd be weird and gay, like turning off boss fights

>>713634908
Obviously, that has nothing to do with my post though.

>>713635269
No, but being able to explore Sengoku Period Japan is something I'm looking forward to doing, and I hope to see people trying to live their day to day in it despite the big war going on

>>713635423
>I thought it'd be weird and gay, like turning off boss fights
So the experience against human bosses then?

>>713635474
just play WOTS 3

>>713635213
games are made arond machanics so 2 needs it as its made with it in mind if so taking it out weakens the game

Hope they change a bunch of shit, nioh 1 and 2 are straight up unplayable just because of how breaindead bad level design is and most enemies, only the bosses are enjoyable

>>713635584
lol...

>>713635474
you sound ike you like to suck cock

>>713635683
>>713635703

>>713635609
Already did

>>713635703
What are you, gay?

>>713632321
They don't have to go that far at all. They already have methods to Burst Break in one style so the only thing "missing" is having two weapons per style which is a simple addition. They've already shown that most if not all the weapons will be available in both styles, and it's not only the most asked for feedback but likely to already be in the pipeline considering how many weapons are already soft confirmed for Samurai meaning they would not have to make very many more.
>>713632381
Onmyo works mostly the same as before but instead of learning it via a skill tree you instead get Soul Cores that have Onmyo spells associated with them and equip them that way. So far we can equip 6 Soul Cores for Onmyo spells.

>>713635619
You didn't answer the question anon. Again, would you have a massive tantrum if Team Ninja had an option to turn dark realm off? If you don't answer me with a yes or no, I will take that as a yes.

>>713635842
are you stupid or dumb anon?

>>713635157
No, that sounds pretty good. I really like the system but it's not break or make for me. Honestly seeing how the alpha went they're probably doing this and adding more set bonuses

>>713635950
That's a yes then. You will have a tantrum if Team Ninja implement an option to turn dark realm off.

>>713634965
This is a next level of retarded sophistry and playing the victim even for you, iai looper.

>>713636117
Hahahaha, the tard can't handle the option to turn dark realm off. Autismo power level exposed.

You know something is getting too popular when it starts attracting the more obnoxious anons hanging around this place. Xenoblade, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Ball, Avatar: The Last Airbender, etc.

>>713634605
Is that second clip someone blocking/partying?
I've been playing Nioh 1 finally, first game of the series for me, and I'm not relying on i-frames a lot. I find myself blocking mostly and dodging behind enemies or farther away to avoid their attacks a majority of the time, and I'm wondering if I should be using i-frames more like Souls games or relying more on blocking/positioning more like Monster Hunter. I know WoLong has parrying so I'm not sure if they're adding it to 3.

>>713636583
nioh becomes the next souls I would wanna end myself

>>713636793
nioh is just ninja gayden play it like that

>>713635098
There's been hub areas in the games before and out of bounds exploration has shown that the castle we liberate becomes a small area we can explore with NPCs. It's not an open world though, it's too densely populated with actual gameplay for that and it's not what they're going for with the game.
>>713636583
I wouldn't necessarily say that. Not because of the game being popular or unpopular but because the internet is just that full of mental illness and Dunning Kruger. Every single game and topic has its freaks utterly compelled to ruin discussion because of their own schizophrenic delusions and unwarranted self-importance.

one thing few complain about is the lack of enemies compared to in MP
the handful of turbo purple enemies don't make up for it even in NG++++whatever

>>713636935
Does Ninja Gaiden have a dodge with i-frames?

SoP2 when?

>>713626083
>Soulfaggots still seething about diablo loot 3 games later
>he's still going to buy it
What causes this?

>>713636793
>I've been playing Nioh 1 finally, first game of the series for me, and I'm not relying on i-frames a lot. I find myself blocking mostly and dodging behind enemies or farther away to avoid their attacks a majority of the time, and I'm wondering if I should be using i-frames more like Souls games or relying more on blocking/positioning more like Monster Hunter.
It depends on the enemy and bosses. Also, when you get divine armor, there's a stat that extends your dodge i-frames a little bit more. The game really opens up at that point as you can stack attributes to the extreme (something you can't do in Nioh 2).

Wait, is it actually Open World? That's the main reason I skipped Rise of the Ronin.

>>713637229
>mentions souls outta nowhere
kek, mindbroken

>>713636793
It's Deflect, an option they're adding more officially to all the weapons in Samurai style where if you time your guard you refill some Ki. It's a little like Wo Long but it has no offensive impact and there are attacks that can't be deflected.
Iframes are there and worth using but many attacks are built to either be too wide for dodges or just far better dealt with by blocking or moving out of the way. and you also do far more damage hitting enemies from behind. Monster Hunter is the better comparison to make in this regard, that game has also has iframes that you make more effective with good positioning and a reliable guard.

>>713631139
>longhouse
dropped

>>713637389
I'm at the last main Mission of the last DLC and I've found a mixture of what the game expects from me, so that about fits what I expected, so just wanted to make sure I'm playing right/that's what the sequels do too
>>713637479
>Iframes are there and worth using but many attacks are built to either be too wide for dodges or just far better dealt with by blocking or moving out of the way. and you also do far more damage hitting enemies from behind.
That's what I've found from my playthrough, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't just bad and should be using i-frames more lol

>>713637565
Don't worry, you can fast travel to it

>>713624452 (OP)
What killed the hype?

how does the game run compared to nioh 2? i tried ror but my rig could shit out maybe 9 frames per second and thats not an exaggeration

>>713637147
Do you know the source of the video?

>>713629054
The problem is the game is already made by Nioh fans, according to Team Ninja, so it's sort of the best result they could come up with. Plus the ninja-samurai transformation seems to be a crucial part of the story, so they aren't going to remove it like a lot of "fans" want.

>>713637147
I really wish you could choose which direction Flowing Shadow goes

>>713637659
Well, the iframes are still enough to be used and very effective in all the games, there might be less than in some games but like I said MH is a good place of comparison and there's a lot of benefit to rolling through some attacks in those games for safety or offensive positioning. It's the same idea.
Also any posts that out of nowhere try to pit Nioh 1 and 2 against each other, specifically to prop up 1 and put down 2, should be judged very carefully. There is a schizo that frequents these threads who constantly tries to force tribalism between the games and most of the time he's off the mark or just entirely lying on purpose in doing so while trying to come off as informed.

>>713637913
Runs like ror on ps5 amateur (poorly).

>>713637803
Open world

>>713638681
>Also any posts that out of nowhere try to pit Nioh 1 and 2 against each other, specifically to prop up 1 and put down 2, should be judged very carefully. There is a schizo that frequents these threads who constantly tries to force tribalism between the games and most of the time he's off the mark or just entirely lying on purpose in doing so while trying to come off as informed

Wow. I really do live rent free in your head, all because I want options you don't want people to have.

The funniest part of that reply isn't knowing how hard he spergs out and personally seethes when his disinformation is corrected and his ignorance is exposed, but that he still thinks I'm the other guy. This is why you ignore these people any time it goes beyond laying down the facts.

>>713628060
I like nioh for the combat and bosses, everything else about it is fucking shit. wow fighting the same fucking yoki for the hundredth time, tedious bullshit loot management, traversing another jap village or pagoda, look mom I did the ambush again where a zombie miner is around the corner waiting to poison me!

the side missions that are just pure combat encounters are the most fun but you have to sift through so much bullshit just to get there. I hate ARPGs

>>713630398
>>713624574
It has missions though. Did you not finish the demo? Each chapter have multiple "mission" areas in the region. You just now also have open areas to run around.

>RENT FUCKING FREE!

I gave up on Rise of the ronin after 30 hours when every story mission was running through normal boring building or open world area fighting normal guys.

Just embarassing on every level.

>>713639841
team ninja is only good at designing combat systems, they suck at everything else. what's funny though is they're moderately successful as a mid-tier studio compared to Platinum, which literally can't even keep the lights on according to insiders

>>713635098
>kaedes-village-becomes-tokyo
tokyo was a big city well before inuyasha's time period tho.

>>713639572
Managing loot takes a matter of seconds out of 5+ hours and the level design is excellent at facilitating unique encounters you can approach in different methods.

>>713639572
The randomizer makes combat a lot less tedious by getting rid of those boring sorts of encounters. Feels nice not having to deal with any archers/riflemen sniping me.

>>713640118
>team ninja is only good at designing combat systems, they suck at everything else
I honestly think it's due to them not knowing when things become repetitive. I've been playing Wo Long for the first time recently, and the one thing I noticed is how the terrain looks the same when I reached the region where you fight some dark mage at the end. Level design should have identifiers so you know where you are just by looking around the environment you're in. It's not easy to do as lots of developers do the same mistakes.

>>713637202
yeah

>>713637803
Nothing for me, still my most anticipated game on the horizon

>>713639572
>tedious bullshit loot management
I just sacrifice everything at kodama shrines for free exp after the mission ends and have enough for a free level

>>713639572
>look mom I did the ambush again where a zombie miner is around the corner waiting to poison me!
but when fromsoft does it it's epic kino...

>>713624452 (OP)
>the last good game TN made was from 2009
I used to think the zombie apocalypse was a joke. but then I see all these shambling corpses of dev studios still moving about and realize my folly.

>>713641961
atleast fromsoft does it in new locales with different enemies, but i wont defend them doing that lame ass ambush more than once

>>713642452
last time I played Nioh 2 I was ambushed by a different nigga on a different locale too THO

>>713642708
Nioh changes its locales constantly and even areas that would be similar in architecture are different thematically and vice versa. People just need something to lob at it so they deviate to what sounds like a reasonable criticism on face value while comparing it to the game series that revitalized level design as a whole in the eyes of the average person, regardless of if it's actually true or not.

>>713643015
Yes, people deride it for being basic. Rightfully so.

>>713626083
>loot hasn't been fixed
based, fuck nioh's rngfest slot machine loot design

>>713624452 (OP)
I'm not meming
Strangers of Paradise is my favorite game from them

>>713643260
No, quite the opposite actually.

>>713643965
It's an excellent game. I enjoy how Nioh 3 seems to take some inspiration from it and I want to see how much further that will go.

>>713635474
Yeah it’s too bad there aren’t any games set in sengoku japan for you to experience this

>>713637803
Open world

>>713643965
You know in future, post your webms here so we get to see what you liked about it.

>nioh 1
>no scumpuss
>nioh 2 pre-time skip
>scumpuss everywhere
>nioh 2 post-time skip
>no scumpuss
>nioh 3
>scumpuss
Based off these facts, I am sad to report that these will be a Scumpuss boss, and that (you) are the one that ends the Scumpuss race.

>>713646571
No biggie, it's not as if Nioh doesn't change things with later entries that contradict the previous game. Just look at Benkei and Minamoto no Yoshitsune. Both had standard human bodies in Nioh 1, only to have a complete makeover in Nioh 2.

>>713637147
I want to point out once again that the new changes to Nioh 3 skill inputs makes triple threat flow seamlessly with your lights and heavies. Triple threat is forward+heavy and you can go from light or heavy straight into it. It makes the move feel SUPER good to use.

>>713640118
Team Ninja art team has great artists. The designs of yokai are generally pretty cool and they do a VERY good job at designing human characters with memorable design. Wish I had that image on hand that compares Nioh 1/2 human designs compared to the ones from one of KT's musou's.
Their animations are the best in the game, both looking natural with weight while still looking stylish. They strike a good balance.
Music is consistently great.
Their RPG mechanics get better and better.
They actually listen to feedback.

Ronin might've been boring mechanically as an open world, i'll admit that, but it was still a beautiful rendition of 3 key cities that have not been replicated to that scale let alone in a game that has fantastic customization options and a great combat system.

>>713626083
Extremely based post. I come to Nioh threads solely to call the diablo loot gay and retarded and then dip. Worthless series, can't wait for team ninja to go under.

>>713647789
>Team Ninja art team has great artists. The designs of yokai are generally pretty cool and they do a VERY good job at designing human characters with memorable design.
It would help if there was a yokai creator, so the yokai types have visual variants, even though they would be the same enemy. I mean, even though Nioh 1 is limited in yokai types, it helped that the brutes have different weapons, meaning they don't behave all the same way.

I spent a good hour just running around when I unlocked the Naruto run

Great demo, looking forward to final release

>>713648053
Wait, parries work on Yokai in 2? Do they work on them in 1? I haven't been able to get them working. Am I retarded or is it new to 2? Haven't gotten to 2 yet.

>>713648307
>Wait, parries work on Yokai in 2? Do they work on them in 1?
The bolting boar skill does not exist in Nioh 1.

>>713648307
That's just the odachi's

>>713648449
>>713648497
So stuff like Haze and Tempest don't work on Yokai in 1? Cool, just wanted to make sure I wasn't bad.

Are the yokai accurate to japanese folklore/mythology or are they just OC demons?

>>713648449
Why are bosses such punching bags in Nioh? Even DMC isnt this bad.

>>713624452 (OP)
>thank you Team Ninja for not trying to appeal to a mainstream audience
But they are trying to appeal to a mainstream audience

>>713648697
Yes, they're all accurate to folklore

>>713648697
Obviously the former. I mean they obviously take some liberties with designs in some cases and some are very generalized demons but all of them are from folklore.

>>713648621
>So stuff like Haze and Tempest don't work on Yokai in 1?
Correct. Though I would like to know if it applies when they're out of anima. It's not something that is easy to test.

>>713648764
>Why are bosses such punching bags in Nioh?
Team Ninja sometimes overlooks bosses spamming moves.

>>713648807
>>713648808
Even scampusses? Also how come the voice lines in game don't refer to them as yokai?

>>713648307
A select few parries work on yokai, it depends specifically on the yokai and the parry and some like the one in the webm are only in Nioh 2.
Haze and Water Shadow on 1kat work on sword/spear skeletons, Hino-enma's charge and Kamaitachi's spin.
Mortal Flow on 2kat, Spinning Slide on Axe, Bolting Boar on Odachi and Just Reprisal on Switchglaive all work on many "normal" yokai attacks but not all of them, however Mortal Flow in Nioh 1 works on almost every attack in the game.
While not explicitly parries in the same way, there are a lot of skills that count as guarding and are used similarly, like Demon Thrust on 2kat and Spirit Wind on Axe. Opportunist on Fists is one of these but functions almost exactly how you would expect a parry to.
Then of course there's Phantom/Feral Burst Counter.

>>713649024
>Even scampusses?
Yes, they're originally called Sunekosuri in Japan, but were localized under the name Scampuss
https://yokai.com/sunekosuri/

>>713634417
>the worst boss in nioh 2 is a yokai
???

>>713647019
People read those little mission descriptions? Damn maybe I should go read that shit

>>713647789
Ronin was quick to grasp mechanically but the tight parry windows with mix ups of boss movesets made it fun. That and variety of moves in styles

>>713650136
>People read those little mission descriptions? Damn maybe I should go read that shit
Yes.

>>713650136
>>713650267
Here's Benkei in Nioh 2.

>>713650136
>>713650267
And here's Minamoto no Yoshitsune.

>>713650114
Worst boss by far was monster house. Followed by the giant spider yokai with horns. Lightning gods is harmless if you drink the ailment resist sake

>>713650267
I lived the yoshitsine and benkei designs in 2. Though why was he just a big urn?

>>713650452
Yeah great design. I just got kinda confused first time I played because I wasnt sure if they just gender swapped minamoto from darkness in Capitol dlc.

>>713650461
>I lived the yoshitsine and benkei designs in 2. Though why was he just a big urn?
Why not. That's just Team Ninja doing their quirky designs. Benkei is such a bro in Nioh 2.

>>713649024
Ayakashi are specifically evil spirits while Yokai are just all supernatural creatures in general. The English doesn't bother with the distinction and calls them all yokai.
>>713650461
He's a Seto Taisho.

>>713650461
>Worst boss by far was monster house.
Literally just block
>Followed by the giant spider yokai with horns.
He hurts, but you can fight him like a regular boss and he does regular boss stuff
Doman is barely functional, all he does is block all day, gets pressured like crazy without doing anything about it, his attacks are lame and only throws them once every century, he is the epitome of everything wrong with human bosses

Can't fuckin wait lads

>>713650638
I didn't get it but I loved it. I love the odd jap shit they just throw in there without explanation. Like hanzo telling the time by using the pupils of a cat that he just keeps on him at all times. He does that shit in both games. I love it.
https://youtu.be/lkHGVj4wwMs?si=yfw7bGtmIoI4IkIV

>>713650709
>Seto Taisho
Interesting. Never seen this before

>>713650547
>I wasnt sure if they just gender swapped minamoto from darkness in Capitol dlc
If I recall correctly, the story in Nioh 2 is that there are two Minamoto no Yorimitsu's. The male person does the political side while the female is a demon hunter. I might be wrong, it has been years since I played Nioh 2.

>>713650267
i do find it kind of insane that they made a game about an aryan stud beasting on numerous historical and mythological figures in japan and somehow got away without controversy

>>713650709
>Ayakashi are specifically evil spirits while Yokai are just all supernatural creatures in general. The English doesn't bother with the distinction and calls them all yokai.
Interesting, but then why not use the Aratama and Niggatama distinctions that the cat tells you about later on?

>>713650926
It couldn't be because they're from different time periods, right? An interesting detail I recall is in base game in mausoleum of evil mission, in the cutscene before we fight shuten doji, I'm pretty sure we see the corpse of female minamoto, in the same position she's frozen in at the end of the dlc.

https://youtu.be/AfRbY_dVuzI?si=ffliU4Ft7WPW9l2I

>>713651129
That's because William Adams was a real westerner. He was likely given the title of samurai and a new persona so Tokugawa could keep him in Japan. That's why William Adams was declared dead by him and that his new identity is now Miura Anjin.

>>713651371
Again, I can't remember the details correctly.

>>713651129

>>713629759
Based beyond belief.

>>713650891
One of the great little parts about Nioh similar to the cat clocks is how inventive they get with introducing so many different yokai as enemies, and it's something I'm looking forward to having more of in 3. Shit like one of the harder Nioh 2 DLC enemies being a literal old man baby that turns to stone is great, and the worms fucking on everyone in 3's Alpha is nice to see already.

>>713651891
Love that little freak. I hope they go all out with creative designs

>>713646571
Only asians can see them

>>713650926
>>713651371
Yorimitsu (DLC2) and Yoshitsune (DLC1) are two completely different people at different points in time, with one descended from the other. But Yorimitsu gets portrayed as female sometimes and they decided to run with that for Nioh 2, and the descriptions do mention that they're just two people.
>>713651221
Not sure, the Japanese already makes the distinction between Aratama and Ayakashi so in that regard it would probably be more off base. I'm not entirely clear on the specifics and calling them evil spirits probably wasn't the best word choice since as far as Nioh goes it's the ones that actually take form and start shit they call Ayakashi, but maybe that's exactly why they just said fuck it it's all yokai anyway.

Regarding the historical characters featured in Nioh, I think it's hilarious that Derrick the Executioner was also a historic figure.

I genuinely don't understand a single thing about Nioh story or characters I just don't know shit about jap history and I don't know if I care.

I just enjoy the fun gameplay, beating up sick looking (and sometimes hot) monsters.
Am I playing the game wrong?

>>713650709
>Ayakashi are specifically evil spirits while Yokai are just all supernatural creatures in general. The English doesn't bother with the distinction and calls them all yokai.
Not quite.

>>713650461
>Worst boss by far was monster house. Followed by the giant spider yokai with horns
All the giant bosses end up being awful because the combat falls apart when dealing with them. It's like how the siege battles in Monster Hunter are all bottom tier.

I played the alpha and can safely say that 3 is going to be awesome.

>>713652916
Just play the Samurai Warriors games, you'll have fun getting a bit of a history lesson from them

>>713629346
Oh please. The only thing? The games share the exact same overarching design ideas with the punishing difficulty, asshole enemy placement with ambushes and traps, opening up shortcuts, same RPG character progression, new game plus with increased numbers and more. It also goes down to the mechanical details like not-bonfire shrines respawning enemies and replenishing your capped not-estus and spell casts, stamina management, losing level up currency on death that you can recover if you make it back, backstab fishing human enemies, other players' phantoms showing up in your game, i-frames on dodges next to blocking and parrying, a ton of throwable/usable items on top of fighting and spells, including weapon resins.

>but these were not invented by Souls!!!
Why would that matter? It's still *all* there in both Souls games and in the vastly inferior copycat Nioh. Name five action RPGs from before Demon's Souls that share most of these features. If you can't, then think long and hard about why that is.

>>713624452 (OP)
>open slop
>ninja mode tacked on without stances

they LITERALLY just did

>>713652807
they really did their homework with the historical cameos, this is the only game i can think of that features big D himself. i was kind of hoping that nioh 3 would take place out of japan, i feel like the nioh format could be an extremely kino historical fantasy series. like imagine an egyptian nioh, or a slavic one. at least move on from the fucking sengoku era that shit is getting very dry

>>713624574
>>713630398
This is what i wanted since Nioh 1.

>>713654475
I don't know if it was intentional, or pure luck, but Hundred Eyes looking like some Eldrich occult monstrosity was a genius choice for John Dee seeing as he was dabbling in the occult.

Fact: the only people who like the diablo loot system are worthless nigger monkeys

>>713654312
>with the punishing difficulty, asshole enemy placement with ambushes and traps, opening up shortcuts
Did you not these guys made ninja gaiden? and yes shortcuts were a thing in ninja gaiden 1
>same RPG character progression
Nioh has a skill tree system and the entire equipment effect system. Again you're pointing out very basic shit that a lot of games have.

Unironically not going to spend more time reading your post when you start off being so insanely retarded.

>>713624452 (OP)
When's the beta

>>713656387
It's already happened. We don't know if there's going to be another.

>>713656517
That was an alpha.
Don't they usually do and alpha and then a beta?

>>713656387
Ffter august, if we get one at all

>>713656387
The Nioh 2 Beta was in November, so odds are it'll be around that time.

>>713651129
it's literally their own history, they're allowed to have white chad mcgigabased fuck all the women and beat up Nobunaga all they want because it's not out of some retarded "be better" narrative and because he actually existed

I'd have the same respect for any western studio that made a game about playing as George Washington and doing musket bayonet combos on the Jersey Devil and Benedict Arnold

>>713652916
Not really, you just might enjoy the setting and the game even more if you pay more attention to what is going on, there's a lot of info in the game and it itself is a good starting point.

>>713624574
>>713624452 (OP)
This
Also half the weapons don't have styles
Also ninjutsu dumbed down to not need to be managed properly
I can't think of anything it changed that wasn't dumbing it down, removing options or both

>>713624574
The open world is made like a giant mission and you still get closed up missions

>>713648025
Absolute dumb niggest of monkey.

>>713658373
It's an alpha. We know ninja get samurai weapons too and they might get stances too. The ninjutsu stuff in previous nioh was fucking gay trash too, "ninjutsu" was just fucking pills and basically magic, making it a real thing is absolutely an improvement.

>>713658867
I don't see how it being an alpha counters anything I said. The quote is ""thank you Team Ninja for not trying to appeal to a mainstream audience""
The version we played, our current knowledge of the game, IS massively dumbed down.
He did not say "thank you Team Ninja for not trying to appeal to a mainstream audience, in my head, in a version that does not and may not ever exist".

>>713659016
>game is even more complex than before EVEN in the alpha
>totally going mainstream guise
No.

>>713659124
Yea half the weapons have 1/3rd of the options and I don't have to care about my resources, damn this is SOOO COMPLEX

>>713659209
> I don't have to care about my resources
sounds like nioh

>>713658373
Ninjutsu wasn't dumbed down, it was turned into something that's closer to martial arts and a more active part of your moveset. It's just a different implementation, you regain uses by dealing damage so you're still managing a resource. From the ninjutsu I've used in the alpha, there's more interesting things going on than in previous games. The pinwheel shuriken has a perfect timing gimmick that lets you throw up to two extra times for free if you time the input as soon as it returns. Cicada Shell lets you negate an attack and teleport behind the enemy, even if they're far away. There's one where you go underground and can be used to avoid grabs and burst attack or advance through attacks. The ninja weapons lost stances but ninjutsu itself definitely has more going for from the ones I've seen. And while they did lose stances, the addition of air combat and air martial arts helps lessen that loss for me at least. Somebody also went out of bounds and confirmed a lot more samurai and ninja weapons.

>>713643965
I hope there will be another one. jack is fucking based

Is it still going to have the shitty loot system? Its the one thing I hate the most in the games

>>713658373
Several weapons have been found to be in both Samurai and Ninja already and with all of them added up it would take little effort for them to finish making versions for both.
Ninjutsu still needs management, just of a different sort and has gained several new options and tools in the process. The old item management still exists in Onmyo and other items.
Every mechanic and system that was in Nioh 2 is present in one way or another with more things that have been added. The only concern is a few aspects having a little less available in terms of equip number which is something that is symptomatic of an Alpha and can easily be addressed going forward.

>>713638464
crap, I went to sleep right after
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5J_IAu8lmo
it's some JPfriend talking about how random skills can be found locked on "Hell Weapons"
then getting to 100% Familiarity makes you learn it so it's equipable not just on the Hell weapon
I think

>>713660402
>The ninja weapons lost stances
With how much proof of weapons being in both stances and how different the movesets of the existing ones are, it's not even that Ninja weapons lost stances it's that we just have new Ninja weapons on top of all the Samurai weapons we'll have. It's also very true that Ninja's aerial focus might as well fill in as another stance in a manner of speaking. Regardless weapons can have depth in more ways than stances and while it has been a defining aspect of Nioh it is one of many, Ninja already has shown huge potential in expanding how to approach the game and this is only the Alpha.

>>713665382
Yep, that's how they work, in English they're called Crucible weapons. They're just a modifier on normal weapons that you can find while in Crucible missions. Aside from them having MAs you can learn permanently if you max their Familiarity, while using them they also do more damage but you lose max HP when hit the way you normally do when in the Crucible, where some main missions will be set.

>>713663085
You and the 300 other anons whining about it in every thread. And you already know the answer to your question

>>713628060
Nioh is fun
It doesn't need to be more

This shit flew right under my radar wtf.
Do we still get character customization in this one? Are high/mid/low stance replaced by the samurai shinobi switch?

>>713654475
Yasuda did say he wanted to make a celtic mythology game at some but Koei sent him to the sequel mines probably to make up for WO Long and Ronin underperforming.

>>713669924
Character customization is still in. Stances are all still in, Samurai Style plays like how Nioh always has but with even more new mechanics and options, you just also get Ninja Style you can freely swap to and from with its own set of mechanics.

why did no-one tell me SoP's story was so fucking kino? one of those games that just leaves you sitting there awe struck as the credits roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zv54mPqJw4
>>713648835
link to mod?

>>713671227
what are you talking about, we've been continuously saying jack's game is awesome. The only people who don't think that way are tourists or yahtzee

>>713671227
nevermind found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWUNN46KHDo
>>713671592
I have never once heard anyone praise the games STORY, no. not anything beyond "lol limp bizkit, lol chaos".

>>713624452 (OP)
>Has Body Type A and B instead of Male and Female
Nope they appealed to mainstream audience due to that. They better revert it to male and female for the final release.

>>713624574
Good, get rid of your homosexual autistic MonHun retardation, I want an open world.

>>713672095
>I want shit
We know, gangster. I just wish you didn't have to drag down Nioh just to get it.

I hope they have more ways to fuck up people in co-op. Like a mega burning oil jar.

>>713632860
>Nothing to fix, its perfect

>>713671227
We did. All the people that actually played and paid attention to it know how great it is. It's just unfortunately there are a lot of ignorant people who parrot the memes and some of those also go into it completely ignoring everything.

>>713636793
in nioh 1 you either block or dodge but it depends on your stats

low weight - > dodge
medium weight - > better toughness - > can block some things

don't block if you un around with under 30% equip burder or you'll get flattened and don't listen to trannies that parrot you have to reach 70% weight, it teaches bad habits

>>713635842
>speaks of tantrums
>uhh if you don't reply I will assume yes for you LOL *wiggles arms and shits himself*

what a child you are lmoa

>>713672778
yea dodge like this

>>713630398
Yeah rise of the ronin has fun combat and the bakumatsu setting is really interesting but everything else sucks and it shows that team ninja ddodnt know how to do open world so they just used ubisoft open worlds as a model. Terrible.

>>713651129
>can't believe they got away with telling history as it happened

nigga just because they added demons and shit it doesn't make the events any less historical, william existed and he was the first english samurai, he even shits on yasuke that starts pissing himself and crying how he is not a real samurai, nioh 1 is ultra based

>>713672991
>chunks 30% HP from maria with a hit

lol maybe don't overlevel for an ez boss

>>713673442
I do like that Nioh gives you the option to either outskill or outstat things. I feel like stats barely matter for your success in most Souls games, but in Nioh if you farm enough and are patient enough to build a decent set you can just outstat bosses.

just make a proper open world soulslike in a new setting, like Elden Ring. why insist on this shitty franchise omg nips are retards, just lock your writers in a room until they come out with a proper cool story and theme. Team Ninja could be a direct competitor to From but noooooo.... let's make samurai game #142323

>>713674014
Why do you think samurais and proper cool story and theme are mutually exclusive?

>>713674014
Being able to fight with/against historical figures has its own appeal too

>>713674014
>make a proper open world soulslike in a new setting, like Elden Ring

just because fromsoftware is farming you normies for money doesn't mean what they are doing is good for the game

>(allegedly) playing as Iemitsu
>Fuku was historically our wetnurse
Do you think there will be a scene where they show Fuku breastfeeding our character?

>>713674247
Wrong, From mogs the fuck out of your kusosamuraislop. Theres a reason it sells 1/20th of what From games sells and its not "much mechanics" but instead a development team trying to copy the king but can barely even compare to his might. From is rent free in team ninjas head, From doesn't even think about you lil bro.

>>713674462
TRVTH

>>713628060
>>713648025
You do realize that posts like this just make it obvious that you're a seething soulsbab who couldn't handle a game with more valid inputs than R1+circle, right? I'm just telling you this so you can stop embarrassing yourself.

>>713674318
fuku is too milfy for my tastes, I wanna see okatsu again

I hate Nioh's setting and aesthetics but I fucking love the combat. Probably one of the ugliest games ever made, but the gameplay...

Thank you Team Ninja for letting PlatinumGames ruin Ninja Gaiden with a twink while you copy Dark Souls yet again.

>>713674861
You have 0 taste.

>>713675031
I feel like it was out of their hands, idk. Everything they've said about NG4 feels contradictory to what they've said about NG prior to this and it feels contradictory to their actual new games. Wo Long and SoP feel a lot closer to an actual action game than Nioh, it feels like they definitely wanted to make a new NG themselves but KT was like "no make nioh 3" and then got platinum to work on NG4 instead....idk. I just don't believe team ninja feels like they're not capable of it, platinum certainly aren't the fucking saviors that understand NG.

>>713624452 (OP)
>another fucking nioh game
>no quality improvements yet again
>looks identical to the first
hope this flops team ninja are fucking hacks there's a reason 2 sold half as much as 1 godwilling this will barely break 1 mil so we never see it again

fuck you if you like this kys

>>713676310
BASED BASED BASED

>>713676310
(you)

i'm too mindbroken by fromsoft to enjoy nioh. i've tried like 4 times and every time i just rage at the stupid control layout. they had the perfect 3rd person action controller layout right there and they deliberately did it differently for no good reason

>>713678489
Nioh's control scheme is far better made than fromsoft, who continually fails to bother making it any more convenient or allowing it to have good, intuitive controls. Nightreign has a fucking nutso control scheme especially.

Seriously how the hell can you find Nioh's hard to understand? It's creative and works well. Literally how the fuck else do you think they should've done it?

>>713678570
it's been too long to remember specifics but it was something that couldn't be solved with the default control options. like attacking and rolling and blocking and action button were all retarded or something idk. game's cool i'm just autistic about it cause the look of the game is so dark souls and so my brain automatically starts pressing dark souls buttons. furthest i got was beating the first big boss on the boat

>>713678973
You're mindbroken by fromsoft. Square and Triangle for light/heavy attacks has been a standard for a very long time and the only reason fromsoft changed that is because they wanted to have the left hand/right hand thing and that makes more sense on triggers than face buttons.
Dodging is X, compared to From using O. Big whoop.

Sounds like you're literally just upset that it wasn't exactly dark souls, which is retarded especially when Nioh's controls allow for way way more action especially in Nioh 2 and especially compared to how fromsoft fails to update their controls. There is no reason for magic in souls to have you use one button to flip through your available spells. There is no reason to only be able to have one active ash of war in ER. Triangle+L2/R2 is an INSANE control scheme for character abilities in Nightreign.

>>713679315
haven't played nightreign but triangle plus r1 to switch to dual weilding is weird af also the spell/item scrolling i agree with. i'm just used to it and my brain doesn't like change

>>713633664
>>713634328
>Wanting chinkshit

>>713680226
>It's bad because....BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY!

>>713680226
RoTK is literally the same shit as Sengoku except instead of Sasaki Yoshimune fighting against Nigoro Watanabe it's Dong Bing Lao fighting against Sum Ting Wong

>>713624452 (OP)
>giving them shit for last 4 years for not just fucking making Nioh 3
>not knowing they were WORKING on it the whole time

I'm sorry guys. I kneel. Thank you for making Nioh 3 after all.

>>713680738
>I'm gonna write the Japanese names realistically but for the Chinese names I'm going to be as stereotypically racist as possible
Fucking weeaboo.

>>713680792
They started working on it only in 2023

>>713680861
nta but japan shits on china, literally the difference between first and third world

>>713680861
Did the "Nigoro" fly over your head?

>>713680792
Now buy Wo Long, Ronin and NG4.

>>713680792
I told you guys

>>713680881
Been in development for longer than that

>>713639578
I don't know man I just don't like open worlds that much, way too much running around and it's simply not for me. Not gonna lie I really didn't like that aspect of elden ring either. I don't particularly mind putting up with an open world if a game is good enough but it's certainly never been a reason I've played them, and it usually feels like a chore. I think the only open world game of a series known for its combat I ever really liked was that one mortal kombat game.

>>713681018
In 2021 or so they said they had "no plans for Nioh 3"
And in a recent interview they said that development started in 2023 so I doubt that.

>>713681235
>no plans for Nioh 3
In a more recent interview, they said they lied.

>>713681235
The leak I posted is extremely reliable, the twitter account leaked both wo long and ronin before they were ever announced and was spot on with the details of them. This leak also brings up two ninja gaiden titles which is the reality, as we got NG2 Black and are getting NG4 (which was likely the one in the planning stage at that time). Only thing we dont know about listed here is another Nioh title.

>>713681332
>Only thing we dont know about listed here is another Nioh title.
Probably Nioh 3 season pass

>>713681018
>>713681332
It doesn't entirely add up just yet.
>ウォーロン
long johnson
>山際アクション
Effectively a duplicate.
>山際アクション2
Wolong2? Still nothing on that.
>NINJA GAIDEN
>NINJA GAIDEN(企画)
No number on either, also Ragebound is completely outsourced, so whether it would be under the "NINJA brand" is unclear.

So there may or may not be another Nioh in-dev, but probably not.

>>713681279
>>713681332
I looked around some more and another article claims that development started in late 2021/early 2022 and the original interview says it started in early 2020s so idk where the faggot from Reddit who translated it got 2023 from. Now I don't know who to believe

>>713681740
>>山際アクション
Wo Long wasn't his project. He joined TN after Japan Studio closed down. So those 2 aren't Wo Long related, methinks.

I just want a nioh in europe. They said amrita can be found anywhere and used in europe for wars and shit. Sadly the armor sets would look like shit because it's TN.

You gotta be a real bad player to not being able to deal with burst counters

>>713683719
>Sadly the armor sets would look like shit because it's TN.
what bizzaro world am I in where someone thinks TN's armor sets look bad. Are you some faggot that plays as a girl and complains they don't make them more sexualized?

Tbh I have no idea how they're going implement the end game

>>713684954
They can do it exactly the same way. The only change would be that picking a difficulty will change the enemy layouts on the fields as needed.

>>713684954
they already showed us with ronin.

>>713685192
Midnight mode is unironically kino and I'd love if they actually put random bosses/minibosses instead of enemies in the open areas

>>713658373
Retard play the demo, you can find hidden weapon for both samurai and ninja

Do you guys think there's gonna be any completely new weapons in Nioh 3 or are they just gonna give the old weapons ninja mode moves and call it a day?

>>713685745
Doubtful. I mean really what can they even add? They should be fleshing out old weapons rather than try to make new ones. The ninja weapons are kind of new too, talons are technically brand new with it right now only having one fist skill

>>713686041
>what can they even add?
naginata
nunchucks
hammer/mace separate from axe like in Wo Long
sais
chinese sabers (just port them wholesale from wo long/ronin)

>>713685745
Hard to say, but there's very little room left and giving Ninja weapons would make for a ton of new ones while giving them more ways to expand and introduce weapons that might be otherwise too similar to existing ones.

>>713685745
>>713686041
I hope they add an even bigger sword

super odachi

>>713627323
anon, i have 1800+ hrs in nioh 2. i love the game, but the loot mechanic and the rng suck so much fucking dick. this game would be way better off without them and you're mentally deficient for trying to defend such a dogshit mechanic

>>713686705
How do you even spend so much time in a game that you hate such a big part of? Usually people who love the combat and hate the loot and gearing bounce after 1-2 playthroughs.

>>713651129
2 nukes + Okinawan rape gangs does wonders to the nation. Even cucked them into adding Body Type A/B across all their games.

>>713686705
No one has 1800 hours in Nioh 2 and hates the loot. You're such a fucking liar dude.

>>713686705
I think the loot system in Nioh is decent as is but could be greatly improved by having more impactful mods and actual unique items with unique effects like in Diablo/PoE

>>713686705
I like the loot and I only played it for 90 hours lol

>>713687148
This already exists.

Every piece of equipment in Nioh has a fixed stat attached to it. Most of them aren't crazy tho but then you get to set bonuses which provide more immediate effective bonuses with no RNG as soon as you equip 2 or more pieces. Later NG+ cycles also always add super strong new effects and special set bonuses that can roll on items which further give you unique bonuses. It sucks you have to be in like NG+3 to get them but it exists for people that really enjoy RPG mechanics

If even one weapon is locked to ninja TN are retarded, the new onmyoji system is also retarded and has no benefits. These new changes don't feel very well thought out.

>>713685296
I hope not that shit sucked since the AI could barely handle it, that glasses gangster on the mountain would always teleport back to his spawn if you walked even 5 meters away from it

>>713683719
>I just want a nioh in europe.
just play dark souls, you dumb stupid faggot. i'm glad team ninja isn't a bunch of westaboos like fromslopware

>>713686976
this post reads like it was typed by someone with an andrew tate chin

>>713665972
This probably isn't true for all weapons though, notably in the demo only 1kat, 2kat and fists had the (samurai) and (ninja) in their titles. The kusa is seemingly stuck to ninja and you'd be a fool to think it'll be the only on

>>713683719
>i want ANOTHER euroslop soulslike
just play any of the other 352050230 ones

>>713686976
I don't have 1800, but I feel like I played a lot and I also hate the loot system.

It's just not a good system. It's grindy and tedious, and unnecessary in a game with such good combat.

>>713687827
But I don't like the gameplay of the typical souls like...

>>713687827
Name 3 that have combat even remotely as good as Nioh

>>713687906
Still lying man. Doesn't matter if it's about the hours played or if you hate the loot. You're not investing that much time into Nioh while hating the loot, as the loot becomes very important the more you play.

The only way you could get that many hours and not care about loot and enjoy it is to do constant fresh playthroughs and only a mad man would do that considering how annoying it is to regain all of your skills from the skill tree

>>713688020
I just put up with it because I enjoy the game. I also cheated one of the reforging materials, I don't remember which specifically, it's the one you get a limited amount daily or something like that.

>>713688020
anon, you really lack reasoning skills

>>713687906
>>713686976
The loot wouldn't be half bad to deal with if the menus weren't retarded.

>>713687948
Khazan the first Berserker is the only 1 that comes to mind
because it's basically a full on nioh clone

>>713688118
you're sort of missing the point. it's the rng part that's bad, the gambling, almost gacha aspect. normalfags like yourself struggling with basic inventory management is a different issue

>>713688184
The similarities to literal gacha are uncanny.

>>713683719
make it yourself, westacuck

>>713688184
>>713688269
So use a trainer you fucking retards. You autists really are something else.

>>713688098
A person who would invest 500 hours into a game where he hates a core mechanic would lack reasoning skills. You can get through NG+3 without caring about loot (tho it would be pretty hard towards the end) but that would take you maybe 100 hours at most. After that you're not getting through NG+4 without having a real build with real equipment effects and that does require some grinding and RNG to have something decent and you'd still need to update it as you play through the game.

>>713688095
Well, I forgot cheat engine is a thing but most of my hours were on PS4 and when the PC port came out I did a single playthrough. I guess if you cheated you could have a lot of fun but at the same time if you cheat there's a lot of extremely fun things you can do...which involve the loot systems themselves.

>>713688184
>>713688269
Niohs loot system is based off of diablo you retards. Not saying you have to like it but gacha didn't magically invent RNG loot in video games.

>tutorial popup on first item drop
>"Only noobs need better gear. Game can be beaten without gears"
There the loot problem is solved.

>>713683719
>I just want a nioh in europe
Me too. I want to see what spirits they make from the Germanic/Celtic/Slavic/Romano pantheons.

>>713688382
>Niohs loot system is based off of diablo you retards.
that is not important or useful information in the slightest. it's still a dogshit mechanic and you're a gambling addict

>>713688269
>literally plays gacha himself
>has 0 understanding on games
So this is the Nioh hater that keeps shitposting

>>713687772
Talons did not have the Samurai/Ninja title description yet we know Fists exist. The two possible outliers are Spear and Kusarigama since they also didn't have the title distinction and it would be hard to come up with a different name for those without making a new weapon entirely to adopt or expand the moveset concept (which is still on the table, Ninja could get Naginata and Samurai could get Nunchaku/Flails or something). But all this is also very much subject to change anyway since it's an Alpha. It's not like they wouldn't know how people would feel about the weapons, and if they really didn't then they absolutely do now since everyone would have brought it up.

>>713688460
I would like a completely new game in yurop. At least, something like Wo Long where the game could easily be connected to the other games but isn't outright said. Niohs identity is tied deeply to japanese history, folklore, and warriors.

To have a Nioh game that takes out all of the weapons because they're almost all japanese...wouldn't make sense to me. But I am definitely interested in an ARPG set in yurop, I think it would be incredibly interesting and after playing assassin's creed valhalla i've come to really appreciate that part of time period and area of yurop. That being said I feel like koei-tecmo are too stubborn to do a non-asian setting.

>>713688460
You better pray that Nioh 3 is a huge success so KT will fund Yasuda's dream game

loot sperging is a fake criticism by people looking for an excuse to find fault

if you play Nioh for an hour even if you completely hate loot you'll have found a thirty second solution to it interrupting your rpg action game. I assume some people actively like it but if you don't it's just colors fallout of of mobs when you kill them. Games like gacha or diablos have zero appeal to me and I still liked Nioh

>>713688269
I don't think this pictures truly explains how many levels of rng hsr equipment has.

1. To farm an equipment set, you have to farm it along with a different set (that you don't need), because the places to farm always have 2 sets. Each round you do in the farm cave, you get 2 pieces of equipment, and it's luck if any of the two are gonna be from the set you want.
2. After you get a piece, it also needs to be 1 of the 4 parts that you want (feet, body, head and gloves). It doesn't matter if you get a perfect piece of hands if you're looking for body.
3. Assuming you get the set you want and the piece you want, body and feet parts have a random main stat, which can be ATK, CRIT, SPD, etc. Usually only one is useful for a character, so you also need to luck and get the right main stat.
4. But just getting the 3 above points is not enough. Equipment also can have 3 or 4 substats. You can level any equipment to +15, and each multiple of 3 gives a random boost to a substat, but an equipment only has 3 substats, the first boost instead gives a new substat. That means you also need to get lucky and get 4 substat piece.
5. BUT AGAIN, which substats you get is random. There is a giant pool of substats, the vast majority are completely worthless, and the few good ones are rare, and most characters only benefit from like 2 or 3 substats. So not only an equipment piece needs to meet the above criteria, it also needs to have the right substats. A piece with 2 useful substats is considered decent.
6. BUT IT'S STILL NOT OVER. Like I said before, each multiple of 3 gives a boost to a random substat. So you also need to get the boosts to the substat you want. So there's a chance you level a piece of equipment that has 3 good substats, but all boosts go to the one substat that is useless. This happens very often.

Nioh is nowhere NEAR as bad as a real gacha.

I am so fucking sick of the Sengoku period. How do you make THREE 50+ hour games about the Sengoku period? This is Dynasty Warriors or Medal of Honor levels of milking

>>713688684
That's an old interview. They opted for a 3K game instead. Seeing the demographic of their customers, I doubt they'll ever bother with a yurocuck spin-off. Not even Omega Force dares waste their time with that.

>>713688898
>I am so fucking sick of the Sengoku period
Fuck off then? Sengoku is kino and it warrants even more games about it.

>>713688951
The reason their games are mostly played by chinks/japs is them not using western aesthetic. I think that a game with Team Ninja's gameplay set in a western fantasy or historical fantasy world would explode.

>>713688184
Nioh's gear RNG is extremely lenient and forgiving in almost all aspects except DotN/Depths endgame perfect rolls of star stats that aren't necessary and some instances of skill text farming if you don't make a build for them. Nothing takes long to get, the game is designed around making sure specific gear is never necessary if you fully understand the mechanics and tools on offer and even trying to get gear funnels you directly into just engaging with the game as you would normally want to as an action game. Sorting, filtering and dumping gear also takes little to no time if you actually read the tools provided to do so.

>>713688898
There are lots of stories in the Sengoku period. Not all of them revolve around the three great unifiers.

>>713689007
Is Japanese history so boring that only 30 years of its 2000 year history is worth talking about? Talk about a one-trick pony

>>713688896
Missed 2 things
- The most useful Mainstats on chest and feet are rarer and de-prioritized from the pool.
- The boosts are not only random to which substats they go, the intensity of a boost is also random. You can get all 5 boosts in substats you want and it can still be crap because the value increase was small.

>>713689028
The reason is: westacucks are poor, gay, unprofitable trannies which are impossible to please and can't play hardcore games. When was the last time a westacuck made a high budget, well received and profitable game about celt shit? Why would Japanese devs bother pandering to a market that hates both their culture and can't be fucked to support Japanese games anyway?

Reminds me of desperate animals infesting Elden Ring threads when it was announced. Just fuck off. Make your own slop.

>>713689007
based. wish they'd cover the heian/genpei war period more though

>>713689158
every time something is set in the edo-taisho periods or early feudal japan people just think it's sengoku anyway

>>713689158
>Is Japanese history so boring that only 30 years of its 2000 year history is worth talking about?
Yes, but to be fair, most countries' are.

>go to sleep
>wake up
>thread still here
Ahem, I love nioh and upgraded my pc just for 3

>>713689028
True, I mean this is evidenced by dark souls but in general a lot of the most popular jap developed games worldwide tend to have a lot of western influence. I bet you there are some people who don't even know Capcom is a japanese studio.

I think they could definitely make a hit but they absolutely have to nail the loot balance. TN has a reputation for it's loot, with so many people crying about it. They need to stop the pinata's entirely. I think they would have more success with a mix of "souls" style finding loot in the world but I think a crafting system would suit their style better, it can still have effects but no longer entirely RNG. Maybe some kind of gem system to attach to equipment. I know it sounds simple but I legitimately think the biggest hang up normiegroids have is just being overwhelmed by seeing a bunch of stuff pop out of enemies and then going into their equipment menu and seeing dozens to hundreds of items. Just stop doing that and normies will be fine with anything else regarding equipment and RPG systems.

>>713689391
Is Nioh 3 a timed exlcusive as well? They should really stop with that gay shit.

>>713689158
Nioh 2 had you time travel to multiple periods pre-dating Sengoku and then Ronin was all about the Bakumatsu era (which is an extremely cool period)

>>713689495
if you had at least 70 iq, you could've searched that question in the time it took you to post it

>>713689381
You could make plenty of Nioh-style games using, say, medieval English history for example. King Arthur in the 500s, the Viking invasion in the 800s, William the Conqueror in the 1000s, the Crusades in the 1100s-1200s, the War of the Roses and the Hundred Years' War in the 1400s

>>713689495
Not this time, it's already got a page on Steam.

>>713689567
Most of these are made up or not medieval.

>>713689506
>and then Ronin was all about the Bakumatsu era (which is an extremely cool period)
I agree but I didn't play it because there's no yokai in it, just boring human enemies. It's practically Assassin's Creed Shadows if it was developed by Team Ninja at that point

>>713689590
neat
>>713689565
I couldn't be arsed, here's your (you), faggot.

>>713689458
bot

>>713689629
Retard

>>713689642
Human enemies are not boring in Ronin. The entire game is designed around it

>>713689714
I accept your concession and surrender.

>>713689458
>Just stop doing that and normies will be fine with anything else regarding equipment and RPG systems.
Normies love shit like Diablo or Path of Exile dough

>>713689702
says the jeet

>>713689748
The only mythological one I mentioned was King Arthur. Every other one was real and medieval. And all of them are medieval. What do you think medieval means?

>>713689567
please no more arthurslop or vikingslop

>crusades
That would just get cancelled by those same westacucks/liberals.

>>713689824
>arthurslop
bruh, there's barely any games about king arthur

>>713689810
William the Conqueror is a novel and the real story it's based on is boring and uneventful
The Crusades have almost no record that are untampered at this point.

It's like saying Dracula and vampires are real because Vlad the Impaler existed.

>>713689824
>That would just get cancelled by those same westacucks/liberals
make it about a middle easterner fighting against the crusaders

Nioh2 is probably my favourite game of all time but it has some Dogshit typical japanese ui
They can make cool sengoku period painting inspirated UI

>>713689903
>William the Conqueror and the Crusades weren't real
New schizo /his/ meme just dropped

>>713689686
The other anon was actually right by the way, you're just lucky I felt like sharing the news because I'm looking forward to the game and want to spread the hype.

>>713689862
1:1 ones, maybe
but arthurian and viking shit motifs are borderline raped status when it comes to how many times it's used as a basis/reference, especially for Japanese works

If you want faithful western slop then it should be made by westacucks anyway.

>>713689127
I can tell they're going to have fun with the story over how this guy died or if he died at all. They already did it a bit in Nioh 2 but this time I want to fight his doubles and shit like that.

>>713689961
Not an argument.
Retard.

>>713689915
then it's brown people muzzie wokeslop nonsense and nobody would buy it

>>713690047
"William the Conqueror and the Crusades weren't real" isn't an argument either, I'm not even gonna humor such retardation for even one second. Get fucked.

>>713689629
>Most of these are made up or not medieval.
King Arthur is the only fictional story here. All the others are the medieval period.

>>713690069
If they make the main character cool like in Prince of Persia everybody would buy it except for terminally online /pol/skins (0.001% of the target audience)

>>713689771
Normies #1 or sometimes #2 complaint is the loot in these games. Even in Ronin, where loot is at it's most meaningless.
Souls games have loot systems, equipment, and RPG mechanics and they eat it up because they're not showered with loot every time they kill an enemy.

I'm not saying loot showers are a bad thing, I am just simply pointing out that if they removed it, normies would be perfectly okay with every other RPG mechanic they shove into these games. I think that is genuinely they're only small minded hang up that short circuits their brains.

>>713688460
There really is a ton of potential in the little universe they have made, I love the whole "golden age of discovery but the mythology of all those new countries is real". They portray characters in a way that never really does them disservice and always makes them as cool as possible. They could take it to a hundred different places and explore their history mixed with mythology, with the war between England and Spain/Portugal and the secret societies like the alchemists being the overarching background plot.

I get being annoyed by the loot system, but I don't understand how people act like it's some sort of dealbreaker. It's a minor nuisance at worse. What I do, I just don't check my loot until the very end of the stage before the boss. Are people too stupid to do that or something?

>>713690409
>are people stupid?
Yes, go outside some time.

>>713690331
>and the secret societies like the alchemists being the overarching background plot.
Not again!

>>713690164
>If they make the main character cool like in Prince of Persia
So just white passing? The last time prince was depicted in games, he was a full blown nigger with Killmonger hair. They'd be cancelled for white washing arab muzzie shit by westacuck/liberals and it would STILL sell 10 times less than Nioh or Wo Long.

Just no to all of your investor poison ideas. Please leave KT/TN threads if you don't like what they're already doing and want them to blow their knees off with Inafune-tier directions.

>>713690331
westrannies would just compare them to AssCreeds and they'd all flop

Every "setting" ever has "potential" you idiot. Not every setting has set writers willing to branch them out. It's akin to people demanding GRMM expand ASOIAF to Yi'ti.

>>713690069
Isn't Assassin's Creed 1 technically about a muzzie fighting against crusades? Normies don't give a shit about "wokeslop" like you do

>>713690549
I thought Bayek in AC Origins was a pretty cool protagonist. You don't have to make your non-white protag some sort of stereotypical watermelon-eating, rap-listening, store-looting baboon that complains about white imperialism in every cutscene for the retarded outrage-addicated liberals not to skin you alive. Team Ninja could definitely pull it off, considering how they always treat historical characters with respect while also making them badass (Perry from Ronin comes to mind)

>>713690331
>>713690497
Amrita is literally essence from Ninja Gaiden, which are soul stones. Interesting how alchemy has been established in the games as soul power.

>>713690549
>arab muzzie shit
Persians were white fire worshippers who got BROWNED by said arab muzzies.
At least get your facts straight when you shitpost.

>>713690796
I've never played Prince of Persia and even I know the games are set in the Islamic Golden Age and has nothing to do with ancient Zoroastrians, you fool

>>713690793
I don't remember any lore saying essence can be used as stones. Not that I don't believe there is a connection

>>713690796
>UHHMM ACSHUALLY WE WU-
See? This is exactly why nobody dares pander to cretins. Please just shut the fuck up and go post in a Total War thread or whatever. Nobody cares. Nobody wants your shit. Nobody buys your shit. Not even you.

>>713690891
Who's gonna tell him that "Aryan" literally means "Iranian"?

There is no reality where Koei ever try to do a western setting again, though i desperately want a new bladestorm

>>713689642
Nta but it was pretty cool. Combat system doesn't feel that deep but it is very engaging and gets you pumped up. I'm surprised how crazy they got with human enemies despite not being fantasy

This is now a Fumihiko Yasuda appreciation thread. This guy is pretty much the Miyazaki of Team Ninja. Say something nice about him

>>713690949
>he's still going
Completely off topic and off discourse. But it perfectly proves me right.

>This is exactly why nobody dares pander to cretins. Please just shut the fuck up and go post in a Total War thread or whatever. Nobody cares. Nobody wants your shit.

>>713691069
He looks like someone woke him up in the middle of the night

>>713691069
Made Oatmeal-san his BITCH

>>713691069
He should've fought harder for a fully internally developed NG4. As much as I love Nioh, SoP, Wo Long, and RotR I cannot forgive him for letting platinum rape NG like this.

I'd like a KT/TN Prince of Persia

>>713690409
People are ALWAYS more willingly stupid and ignorant than you expect them to be. 99% of complaints about the loot system come from people hearing the game has one and immediately shutting their brain off in favour of their assumptions regarding what they've heard about those systems. Then they ignore everything in the game while bitching about it any time they can, yet they will never try to learn how to fix their issue.
If you give them hints, if you just tell them it's not like that, if you compare how everything they would want is both present and better realized in the game, if you give them step by step instructions in a detailed guide with video and picture examples for saving them hours of time they're wasting for no reason, they will still just say "no it's bad because of what I think." You'll notice this applies to a lot more than just the loot system of Nioh.

>>713690675
>Every "setting" ever has "potential" you idiot
Some more than others. Like how a setting not made by a western studio automatically has more potential than a western one. And what the fuck are you putting quotes around "setting" for you pedantic retard, are you suggesing that Nioh's setting is not actually a setting at all

>>713691154
>DAE LE SOULS BUT LE [insert flop poison setting here]
>got raped out of FROM threads
>now comes begging in KT threads
Fuck off already

>>713691162
>99% of complaints about the loot system come from people hearing the game has one and immediately shutting their brain off in favour of their assumptions regarding what they've heard about those systems.
This is genuinely so true about so many things. It's terrifying how stupid the average human actually is. Literally just tell someone something and unless they already have preexisting knowledge that contradicts it they WILL believe, and nothing will ever deprogram this initial belief

>>713691069
He doesn't really strike me as a Miyazaki type.
Miyazaki is a visionary who does weird shit that sometimes catches on and takes the industry by storm.
Yasuda is more like a dedicated foreman at a factory that makes sure his factory always delivers consistent output, but is not terribly original or creative.

>>713690331
An idea of mine is that we have a game set in the Arthurian period where Camelot, the golden city, is made out of amrita, to aid in his fight against Mordred, who wants to engulf the world in biblical horrors, like Baphomet. How Arthur got all that Amrita was from the great battle between Boudica's forces and Gaius Suetonius Paulinus forces. Boudica amassed an army that can sack the entire Roman Empire, but Merlin steps in and says you must sacrifice your army on the battlefield as a future war against the forces of the underworld will be lost without it. Reluctantly she does it and results in her being mocked throughout history as an incompetent leader. Merlin then gathers the soul stones from the battlefield and Boudica ascends into the Lady of the Lake to become the guardian spirit of King Arthur.

>>713691153
Could stop be good? I don't expect much from platinum but it does depend on how much of an overseeing role TN plays. Though nioh is my favourite of theirs so I'm happy they have dedicated full dev power to 3

>>713691385
He doesn't seem too eager to pick up that thing, nether does the boomer behind him.

>>713628060
excuse me it's a rengoku like

>>713690878
Essence and soul are pretty much the same thing.

>>713691438
That boomer is Merlin.

>>713690858
>be mudslime
>cruise on Persian and Greek teachings to spark "Golden Age"
>fuck it all in the ass to end up back in the stone age anyway
Why are muslims this retarded?

>>713690878
That lore would be Nioh itself and how it portrays Amrita. All the Amrita you get in the game is identical to essence as yellow orbs, and when you use Spirit Stones the Amrita contained gets released and absorbed in the same way. Also it's not really connected in the same way but it's still fun; Yokai Shift has the same mechanic as absorbing essence for UTs, while in Yokai Shift any Amrita floats in the air and gives you an instant charge attack if you try to do one. It also still gives you the full gauge refill too which is nice, but pressing R1+R2 lets you absorb it passively during animations if you need the gauge.

>>713691069
That nioh 2 dev documentary was pretty interesting. Definitely made me appreciate him and his team more

>>713691385
Also there will be a God of War-style cuckolding minigame where Arthur has to watch Lancelot rail Guinevere

>>713691234
The rest of the planet existing in Nioh is just fluff. It's not meant to be explored because the devs are proficient and interested in the portion they made the game about to begin with.

Like I said, it would be akin to demanding Akavir from Todd, or Yi'Ti from GRMM or Rhûn from Tolkien or London/China/Russia from Fallout. These place are just touched upon and mentioned to make the world feel bigger but that is the extend of the interest (and knowledge) the writers had about them. They are part of the "setting" only in a superficial sense.
Cathay in Warhammer Fantasy only got introduced in video game format, despite existing in lore for decades, because lots of players were willing to buy it and demanded it. The same thing will never happen to Ind or Khuresh or other fluff regions.

tl;dr: Fuck off.

>>713691673
Even better, Arthur being tricked into fucking his half sister who gives birth to Mordred.

Watch this film. It's an amazing story telling the events through the eyes of Merlin.

>>713691330
Pretty much. How about Jack's game eh? Someone said it has memes and he says Chaos a lot so obviously it's a parody story and no one should take it seriously or pay any attention to it. What do you mean everything about the story is expertly foreshadowed and characterized, someone not paying attention said the game should show not tell so obviously it never once did that, it's a joke game and why would I play it.

>>713691894
This mini series was peak. 90s were full of bizarre straight to vhs adaptations that I loved as a kid. Alice in wonderland also comes to mind

>>713691951
When the devs found out nobody took jack seriously they cried. After finishing sop I finally understand why.

>>713691613
..no shit Sherlock

>>713691801
I feel like China and Korea at least definitely exist even within the confines of Nioh (since those are the only countries that existed to Japan). I wonder if there's any chance Wo Long and Nioh are canon towards each other? Or Ronin for that matter. I mean if Nioh is in the same universe as Ninja Gaiden then that opens up a whole can of worms (up to Halo being canon through Dead or Alive)

>>713624452 (OP)
>mainstream audience
That's who the jumping and open world is for.

>>713691951
>Dunkey singlehandedly ruined the reputation of a good game with one video

>>713692079
Jumping has been in their games for 2 previous entries.
>open world
Hopefully they keep up enemy density and don't compromise difficulty

>>713692076
There's a Hayabusa style in Ronin and a Hayabusa-like secret boss
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fHfCDJj7RVM

>>713692076
Pretty sure it's confirmed that at least ninja gaiden and nioh are in the same universe. Ng mentions how the dragon clan were used by oda to kill demons and in nioh you fight ryu's ancestor

>>713692015
Don't ever forget Jack. I won't.
>>713692076
Even putting aside the Mezuki crossover, Wo Long's Elixir is very directly analogous to Amrita/Essence and one of the cutscenes talks about a dragon bloodline. Ronin also has plenty of references to both Ninja Gaiden and Nioh in styles and characters and the stated primary goal of Ieyasu Tokugawa after he establishes his shogunate is to send Amrita back to the shadows, explaining the almost complete lack of supernatural elements in Ronin. It's all connected and all we need now is Gilgamesh paying a visit to Ohashi Bridge in Nioh 3.

>>713692076
Ninja Gaiden and Nioh are the same universe, but it's still up in the air if Wo Long is or not. I hope it is, because it would kino to fight Wo Long bosses in the abyss as a bonus.

>>713692375
I didn't like how wirriamu was just some bum in a cave in rise of the ronin that you unceremoniously kill and get the nioh style.

>>713691801
Tha's cool that every creator and writer on earth work in the exact same way and create their stories with the exact same approach of "Fill the background with a bunch of stuff we don't actually care about but it sounds cool". Yep, no chance at all that a setting (or is it "setting"?) would ever try to set itself up for expansion and future potential (or is it "potential"?) when they are literally made to make money and sequels.

>>713624574
Good. I'm tired of small, railroaded maps.

>>713692541
This but for open world

>>713692164
Unfortunately there were many more than him saying bullshit about the game from day 1. But I'll always remember his Nioh 2 video where he zooms in on his bars asking "when do I get to play?" and his Ki is empty but his Anima is maxed out. Bonus points for spoiling the final boss too, and others that would be a big deal if you happened to see the names flying by.

>>713692537
Oh my god you're so dense and illiterate it's insane actually. Just dilate back to FROM threads with your celtcuck shit already.

>LE MONI LE EXPAND WIDER AUDIENCE SAAR
Kys

>>713692692
I really enjoyed his nioh 2 vid. It's exactly how I expected him to play. I have no idea how he made it to the end after getting so utterly filtered by an enki in mission 1

>>713692327
>>713692508
>>713692375
When you think about it, it's kind of weird how Ninja Gaiden and Nioh are in the same universe. Ninja Gaiden has its own mythology, with the fiends and whatnot. Like, Zedonius is the one who taught humanity fire. How does that fit into Shinto, or Chinese mythology? Is Christ real in the Ninja Gaiden-Nioh verse?

>>713692808
No idea but TN doesn't really pay too much attention to their own established lore. Everything is canon and simultaneously nothing is. Ctrl+f this thread for discussions about benkei, as an example.

>>713692808
It fits in the sense that the gods have realms of influence depending how much humans believe in them. It is explained by Nekomata in Nioh 1 at the start of the game.

>>713692808
Now that I think about it, Ishtaros is specifically supposed to be Ishtar from Mesopotamian myth. So I guess it's a "all myths come from the same place" sort of situation

>>713693036
>So I guess it's a "all myths come from the same place" sort of situation
Yes, hence the crucible, the melting pot of souls.

>>713692715
Stay mad. And stop applying your narrow minded approach to creation to every creator universally. Don't you fucking think for one second that you can speak for them. Dilate back into your own weak mind and stay there forever so we don't have to suffer your incessant whining.

>>713654312
If you think most of Nioh's design is copied from Souls you are either 25 years old max, or a retard

>>713654312
Crazy how nioh took souls features and made a good game out of them. Thank you team ninja

>>713692761
Yeah to be honest the Nioh 2 video is overall pretty great. When he's not trying too hard to be funny (only coming off as cringe) and instead just showcasing silly situations he got into and riffing off them it's good and the video is almost entirely that. Most of it is at least somewhat obvious or can be pieced together from the video itself that he's just skill issuing and panicking rather than being glaringly wrong about the game hence why that Anima part sticks out so much. He didn't seem to make it to the end of the game, but he did get much farther than he lets on since there's Magara footage.

>>713693786
I find it bizzare that Nioh has this reputation of being "harder than dark souls" or that it takes the souls-like approach to difficulty to some absurd extreme (le every enemy is a miniboss that 1shots you) while in reality it's one of the easier and more forgiving games of this kind as long as you actually do the bare minimum and understand and utilize the basic combat mechanics.

>>713693786
To be fair to him, nioh can take some time to click. Maybe more so if you're used to souls and approach it with the same mentality (kinda how souls players got filtered when sekiro dropped). The game never really forces you to use all its tools since you can just go around with one stance but then you just kind of end up having a miserable boring time which is what I think happened to him so he ended up concentrating on the more absurd moments and not the gameplay.
I'm just disappointed his stranger of paradise video had barely any gameplay and even less attention to the job system or fun combos. He could have made a decent advertisement for sop.

>>713694015
Nioh is objectively harder than Dark Souls. Miyazaki specifically said he DOESN'T design his games to difficult, while Yasuda says that he specifically intended for Nioh to be difficult. The devs themselves are both telling you that you're wrong

>>713694015
The approach from devs is "heres a bunch of cool shit to do, go nuts" but too many players never go nuts

>>713694132
It's not harder, it just has a higher skill floor. In Nioh you have a lot more tools to deal with any given situation that are available to you at all times, almost like in an actual action game and your character is faster and less janky to control. It's also very transparent with its mechanics (see this purple bar? if you deplete it you get to stunlock the boss for a few seconds, etc.)

>>713683719
the western sets in ronin were cool

>>713686705
>>713686976
I don't dislike the loot system as much I as dislike certain elements of it like the sheer quantity of loot, all the useless effects and the effects with extremely confusing names

>>713694279
What are some of the hardest bosses in Dark Souls? Ornstein & Smough, Sir Alonne, Sister Friede, etc. Those are the difficulty of the AVERAGE Nioh boss. The difficulties aren't even comparable. What Fromsoft boss could you have possibly struggled on as much as, say, Otakemaru?

>>713694471
Well it's not really fair to compare it to the oldest Dark Souls game, which was made before Fromsoft entered this weird difficulty arms race with itself. Nioh 1 came out after Dark Souls 3 and the bosses in that game were already a lot more ridiculous than in 1. Pretty sure Midir and Fride are harder than anything in the Nioh games and don't get me started on bullshit like Malenia and Consort Radahn from ER.

>>713624452 (OP)
>thank you Team Ninja for not trying to appeal to a mainstream audience
lol

>>713694471
>>713694613
I didn't see you already include Fride in your list, sorry.
Then I simply don't understand how you can consider her to be on the difficulty of an average Nioh boss. No boss in Nioh has 3 phases (1 of which is a gank fight) and as I said, your character is much faster, more responsive and has more tools available at any time. For example, you can block any physical attack in Nioh and take no HP damage, while in dark souls or ER you can only do that with certain shields.

>>713694613
Nta but ds1 bosses feel incredibly tame by elden ring standards. Simultaneously though you have so many tools in elden ring that it never feels unfair imo. Most elden ring bosses bar several standouts that you've already mentioned can be cleared with just jump attacks. Monster hunter has a similar progression across the series, monsters get buffed up and ultra aggressive to keep up with how the player gets more and more mobility and action tools with every iteration

>>713694613
>Midir and Fride, Consort Radahn
This is a weird rule but I honestly think that DLC bosses should be considered in a separate category. DLC bosses are naturally gonna be the hardest since the devs adjust their stats for post-game players. If we're including DLC for DS3 and ER, then it's only fair we include DLC for Nioh 2, which blows the difficulty of any Soulslike out of the way by multiple degrees. So let's not even open that can of worms. Base DS3 is bizarrely easy. I first tried Pontiff and Soul of Cinder and I suck ass. Meanwhile it must've taken me 4 hours to beat Yatsu-no-Kami. Malenia is an isolated case of a superboss designed to be as hard as possible. Otherwise base ER hardly compares to Nioh 2

how do i even get gud with heavy armor on? i keep exhausting my ki even with perfect fluxes and all

>>713624452 (OP)
>open world
lol

>>713694763
>your character is much faster, more responsive and has more tools available at any time
Nioh is just so frighteningly fast and unforgiving. I've beaten it and I still will never get used to how quickly enemies can kill you. You blink and you're dead in one shot. It's a game that demands hyper-focus at all time. Fromsoft games aren't even comparable. I can't think of a single Fromsoft boss that can kill you in 1 attack with a 0.3 second telegraph

>>713694803
Yatsu-no-Kami was the boss I died the most to in Nioh 2 and afterwards no boss took me more than a handful of tries. It really is a filter boss, you either drop the game at that point or you learn the mechanics and start utilizing them. The only DLC boss I struggled with was Lightning Gods and even that didn't take me more than an hour.

>>713694864
Keep encumberance under 70%, ensure toughness is at 200. Learn to dodge through attacks with low stance dash instead of mid or high stance rolls. So much of it becomes muscle memory as you keep playing.

>>713694976
>I can't think of a single Fromsoft boss that can kill you in 1 attack with a 0.3 second telegraph
>Charges at (You) from point blank range

>>713695174
Gaius's charge attack is probably the most bullshit attack in Soulslike history, yes, but it shouldn't one-shot you. The only reason it would one-shot you is if your armor/health/Scadutree is underleveled and you mistime your dodge (which makes you take extra damage). Honestly it's smarter to just facetank it so you don't take the extra damage

>>713694613
>Pretty sure Midir and Fride are harder than anything in the Nioh games
Fride is only tough because it's three health bars in a row, while Midir chimps all the time, meaning it's better to stand still and let him come to you so you can hit his head for bigger damage compared to the rest of his body, which is why the fight is a boring slog.

>>713695174
>>713695279
https://youtu.be/qDmjKDaZxjo?t=48236
What an epic attack

>>713695279
>Honestly it's smarter to just facetank it so you don't take the extra damage
That's what I started doing at some point. 1 tick of damage from his charge did a bit over 50% of my hp and sometimes by rolling I'd take 2 ticks of damage

>>713695612
Is that a giant Gaki? Interesting idea, but is the Ninja/Samurai styles 2 separate modes you can swap to at will?

>>713690024
>If you want faithful western slop then it should be made by westacucks anyway.

Modern westacucks are incapable of being faithful. It would just be niggers and stronk womynz everywhere.

>>713640213
>>713635098
No, it was a port.
The joke is that modern day Tokyo is fucking large it started absorbing nearby counties/wards as it grew.

>>713695612
Toukiden 3 when?

>>713635098
>No point in an open world if everything is just ruined with corpses strewn about
Fromsoft's "muh post-apocalypse" approach is such a fucking lazy copout. They just don't want to make villages with NPCs, that's all it is. Imagine a bunch of little Majulas between each dungeon

>>713696024
>Imagine a bunch of little Majulas between each dungeon
Sounds like shit honestly

>>713694132
>Miyazaki specifically said he DOESN'T design his games to difficult

When did he say that? 15 years ago? Because he's gone full retard since.

>>713689090
If it matters so little what is the benefit of keeping it?
>Sorting, filtering and dumping gear also takes little to no time if you actually read the tools provided to do so.
Yet it still takes time. And you do it over and over.
The game's combat is fantastic, and having variable numbers due to RPG mechanics takes away from that. Basic reliability things like "Can I finish off this enemy in one combo" have now to interface with a myriad different mechanics. Skills might vary from useless to broken depending on your gear.

What is enabling 'build variety' are the different weapon categories, unique moves unlocked from skills, spells and ninjutsu. If that was the extent of the RPG progression mechanics (Unlocking new shit), or maybe have a ceiling like simple numbered upgrades for weapons instead of layered RNG variables, I would be fine with it.

Imagine if Ninja Gaiden let you farm enemies for 500 hours until you get the exact % bonuses that let you shuriken-spam everything to death instantly, or whatever singular spam move you'd like that you built around. I certainly wouldn't think it made the game better. Maybe my example is too contrived, can you think of what gameplay is enabled by this system that wouldn't be if everything had fixed numbers?

>>713696113
Why?

>>713696293
Cheapens the feel of each hub aesthetically mostly. The best thing souls does is atmosphere and a part of that is a limited cast of npcs. If it was just another medieval fantasy with hordes of nameless forgettable npcs throughout the world it would kill the atmosphere and in general just be a dull addition

>>713694461
That's a fair criticism. I remember when the first Nioh DLC came out they immediately dumped the game with a TON of useless shit like "deal +5% more damage to revenants with the katana's second low stance heavy attack on a tuesday at 3 am" just complete bloat that helps no one

>>713697427
While some effects are relatively specific I don't think anything is entirely useless. There's clear winners but shit like extra kunai damage can lead to some pretty hilarious builds

https://youtu.be/QHl6eu3zPj4?si=BRX1FQ6bxAcwQLEu

>>713697427
tuesdays at 3am was actually the only time I could play Nioh, so those effects worked great for my build

>>713697812
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