Sega has strong enough IPs right now that if they made another console and made Sonic, Yakuza, and Persona exclusive to it, I think it would be a success.

>>713629801 (OP)
WHY IS NOBODY PAYING ATTENTION TO ME?

>>713629801 (OP)
Designing a console is beyond the technical capacity of modern sega, they probably have less than a 10th of the engineers they need on staff

>>713629801 (OP)
The winning move is suck up to Nintendo and Steam

>>713631014
nothing those segabucks can't fix

>>713631014
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>>713631201
Haha! You reacted to my thread! :)

>>713629801 (OP)
They have IP but lack hard and software engineers on team. It'd be to big of an investment to jump into a market during a global recession while in the middle of a "generation". They're better off just playing kiss ass to Nintendy and optimizing PC well enough.

>>713629801 (OP)
Sonic is Sega's Pokemon, it's being carried by multimedia more than the games themselves. It's also going to be in a real pickle once the nostalgia well dries up. Right now, they're pandering to 2000s era nostalgia, but once that dries up, what next? Pander to 2010s era nostalgia?

>>713629801 (OP)
SEGA is only alive today BECAUSE their software is not landlocked to a single console. This would essentially kill them off.

Secondly, what exactly would a new Sega console bring to the market that would be unique? Just being powerful isn't gonna mean much.

>>713631708
I wasn't thinking about that. I was just thinking that Persona 6 would probably be a system seller on its own.

>>713629801 (OP)
I wouldn't buy a console just to play fucking Sonic

>>713629801 (OP)
Getting into the console market now would be retarded. So actually a sega thing to do I guess.

But otherwise Sony and MS are barely holding in with how much rates have jumped and Nintendo has just gone fuck it with their produce last gen tech systems.

>>713629801 (OP)
It wouldn't be.
>The vast majority of their original IPs are either dead in the water, currently being milked, or so old that they'd need to be entirely reimagined for the modern age.
>The vast majority of their original IPs are also based around old gaming design philosophies like lives systems or feeling like arcade games leading to them feeling like what is ostensibly a minigame in modern games like the Crazy Taxi patch DLC minigame in Days Gone for example meaning many people would view these games as $10 affairs and not $60-80 priced games at all.
Imagine if tomorrow they released a brand new Golden Axe that played exactly like the old ones but for $70 and it was two hours long. No one but absolutely mental nostalgiafags would buy that.
>Sega itself isn't big on spending money.
Outside of their major gamble in spending AAA money on bringing a bunch of old IPs like Crazy Taxi to the modern age they don't spend much on even their "big" IPs with Yakuza only just recently gaining slightly larger budget from what feels like A to an interim between A and AA and Atlus primarily making games around that level of budget as well.

Sonic is like the only one you can point to getting maybe an AA in between AAA budget and only on random games like Frontier at that.
>In general they do not have the in-house studios necessary to work on all of the first-party games they'd have to push out.
>They have no real gimmick to pull people in outside of "We're Sega!" and would have to really pump out brand new first-party games in addition to nostalgia bating games AND having their entire back catalogue available day one to maybe claw people to their platform.

Sure, they now have Atlus basically being their personal in-house Squeenix, Yakuza is bigger than it ever has been, and Sonic is still around, but Sega itself is only really alive because they make games on low budgets or scales and are multiplat. I guarantee you that system would be dead faster than the Vita.

Did you just wake up from a 20 year coma? Consoles and exclusives are on the way out, it's a dying business model. Even Nintendo releases shit on smartphones now

>>713632224
The main reason sony and MS are struggling is the lack of IPs, though. They make these overpowered expensive consoles that aren't even cheaper than an equivelent PC anymore, then desperately (and mostly futility) bribe 3rd parties to delay the PC release by a month so they can claim "exclusivity" instead of making actual games.

>>713632675
>Consoles and exclusives are on the way out, it's a dying business model.
I don't think this is true at all. I think Xbox is basically done, but there's plenty of room for Sony and Nintendo consoles.

>>713629801 (OP)
Shoulda bought out Tango Gameworks
>Sonic
>SMT/Persona
>Yakuza
>Evil Within
>Hifi Rush
Great ass lineup

>>713632675
>Even Nintendo releases shit on smartphones now
Nintendo does not release their home console games on smartphones, they use specific brands like Mario or Pokemon on smartphones to make phone-specific games using those brands that are so barebones and toned down they're only meant to be played for like 2 minutes at a time. They are absolutely not ditching exclusives which is why their system appeal is so high since you can't get Nintendo anywhere else.

Sony going multiplat is by far their stupidest and dumbest play yet for short-term gains. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot and making it so the games on their own system have less appeal because they can be found elsewhere killing the allure and mystique they had. It's like if Android had the blue bubbles when talking to Apple phones on Apple phones. It's idiotic.

Microsoft had to ditch their exclusives to survive at all so I don't blame them, but that's out of necessity to exist as the Xbox brand at all via Game Pass. They're functionally the new Sega and their entire future is now going to essentially be a multiplat publisher trying to get Game Pass onto everything.

>>713633039
>Sony going multiplat is by far their stupidest and dumbest play yet for short-term gains. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot and making it so the games on their own system have less appeal because they can be found elsewhere killing the allure and mystique they had.
I kind of understand this, but not everyone has a high end gaming PC, and I just like plugging it into the living room TV and playing games on the couch, rather than playing games sitting in a chair at a desk. I would always rather play a game on a console.

>>713632832
>I don't think this is true at all. I think Xbox is basically done, but there's plenty of room for Sony and Nintendo consoles.

Sony has started porting almost all their games to PC now as well, they basically only do timed exclusives now. Steam Deck also opened the floodgates for handheld PC's which the Switch is directly competing with now. Nintendo will be the last to fall, but they'll budge eventually as well.. The idea of games that only exist on a single platform and devices that only play video games is antiquated. People use PC's and smartphones to do everything else, why should video games be any different?

>>713629801 (OP)
>Sega has strong enough IPs

>>713633639
>Sony has started porting almost all their games to PC now as well, they basically only do timed exclusives now.
I don't think that's hurting their sales on consoles. That's just a way to make extra money from the people who like to play on PC.

Exclusives are on their way out, I think a Japan-oriented Steam competitor would do better than a new console.

>>713633039
>Sony going multiplat is by far their stupidest and dumbest play yet for short-term gains

It's literally the opposite, both Sony and Microsoft see which way the wind is blowing. Consoles aren't even true consoles anymore, they're "multimedia devices". Nintendo is stuck in the past when everyone else is embracing multiplatform

>>713632010
Perhaps in another era, when SEGA still had an engineering team.

The question to ask is could SEGA realistically make something today that was a valid competitor to Sony/M$/Nintendo? What could they do different? What could they do better? How would they afford it?

>>713633359
>but not everyone has a high end gaming PC
That's not really the point. Sony locking a game specifically to their system with no hope of it being ported out forces people to convert to their platform or not play it at all. By having it on PC you lose the mystique, allure, and fanboy hype all at once regardless if they won't buy it on PC simply because it's not just on Playstation anymore. Very basic comparison is LittleBigPlanet's PC release vs. the Playstation releases. It completely bombed on PC whereas it got triple the sales on PS4 and PS5 if I remember the Insomniac leaks correctly, and that's despite it being the first LBP game to come out on a non-Playstation system.

Bloodborne is the most blatant example of people begging for it for literally a decade until emulators could finally run it and it being an exclusive that people on PS4 talked highly about constantly. This would lead to people who otherwise wouldn't be interested in a PS4 actually consider buying it.

The blue bubbles are the perfect comparison here. People literally buy iPhones because they can lord the blue bubbles over their friends. If Android had blue bubbles even when talking to iPhones then Apple would lose a good amount of their fanatics and people who want to be part of an in-group that has those bubbles.

>>713633879
>both Sony and Microsoft see which way the wind is blowing
No they don't, because if they did they'd see the example of Nintendo staring them directly in their face only doing exclusives and refusing to port their games. The only time they ever did it was to try to break into China with the Nvidia Shield and only very specific GC and Wii games when the Wii U was already out if I remember right.
Sony is simply shooting themselves in the foot for short-term profits at the cost of long-term brand damage.
Microsoft is doing it out of survival.

>>713629801 (OP)
too bad they found out hardware was a losing business like 30 years ago

The only way I can see it happening is if they collaborate with Apple to produce a Sega-branded product on Apple designed hardware.

>>713635097
>No they don't, because if they did they'd see the example of Nintendo staring them directly in their face only doing exclusives and refusing to port their games

Instead hobbyists port the game to PC for them instead, so Nintendo has to play legal whack-a-mole with emulators and fan mods because their whole business model is built on creating a flimsy illusion that you can only play Nintendo games on Nintendo platforms

>>713635864
You're forgetting the part where the majority of people consider emulation either illegal or immoral, and then pirating games outright immoral. The amount of people who would choose to opt for emulators and pirating games, especially for modern games, is minuscule at best. Meanwhile the guy who is left out of playing Mario Kart 8 Deluxe/World in his friend group is going to very likely cave to play it. Pokemon is another great example.

Why do you think Sony was so hellbent on the timed exclusivity for GTA 6? People right now view it as the only way to play the hottest commodity for the year it's going to be exclusive to the platform. I watch a guy who repairs stuff and even he just repaired a PS5 to give to his buddy whose sole purpose for wanting it is to play GTA 6 and nothing else.

>>713636882
Legit the only way I could see a high-powered Sega box doing well would be if they somehow got GTA exclusivity/launch parity. The question then becomes if the huge investment in hard and software engineering, location, manufacturing, and exclusivity rights with R* could even be recooped on hardware and MtX cuts. I think, without any of the needed infastructure in place, that the answer is a huge no.
The only way I can see a new group throwing a hat into the console race is if they already make hardware; EG Apple, Samsung, etc.

>>713636882
>You're forgetting the part where the majority of people consider emulation either illegal or immoral, and then pirating games outright immoral.
Anyone who holds this opinion isn't worth taking seriously, you shouldn't respect corporations because they don't respect you.

Maybe but that wouldn’t be good for the market or gamers.

>>713637827
It doesn't matter what your opinion is on them, they are the main consumer of basically everything and determine the success of things. That is how they operate. That is the mindset that is going to be at the forefront when it comes to a system being a success or not and why exclusivity is so important.