Thread 713634562

Did Square Enix literally admit to having failed with FFXVI and FFVII Remakes?

Turn based sucks compared to rebirth

If Square Enix developed and released E33 all things the same it would have been shit on by everyone
That game got graded on a curve because it's indy shit, no one actually reviewed it properly

FFXVI and FFVII Remakes flopped because they were PS5 timed exclusives.

>>713634562 (OP)
Does anyone honestly play action slop anymore? Feels like the balloon deflated after Elden Ring

>>713634562 (OP)
Does it matter if Square suddenly thinks that turn-based will be profitable?
It's still modern final fantasy and modern square enix.
Even if they put out a new turn based mainline title, it'll be written like, play like and feel like slop

>>713634946
nah let unc cook

>>713634562 (OP)
>value turn based RPG
>Their current contribution to that is a cheaply remastered and ported cashgrab on Switch2 + key card.

>>713634792
>hit #1 on steam but still only peaked at 28k CCU
>only hit #11 on xbox, an even smaller storefront
Clearly XVI going multiplat didn't turn its fortunes around.

ok 13 was shit but 14 will be good you'll see
ok 14 was shit but 15 will be good you'll see
ok 15 was shit but 7r will be good you'll see
ok 7r was shit but 16 will be good you'll see
>you are now here
ok 16 was shit but 17 will be good you'll see

>>713634778
I half agree. E33 is getting praised like it's the second coming of Christ because of the small dev team and how useful it is in the narrative against large gaming corporations ruining games. At the same time though, it's a solid 9/10 game and half the praise is because most AAA games in the last 10 years have been around the 4-6 mark with few being better and some being worse. It's fair to say people are bias to indies and against corpos but it's retarded to deny that they don't kind of have a point

>>713635571
I'm not a big FF head but I played 16 for like 10 hours and gave up. The story didn't seem like it was going anywhere and after getting the wind powers it was clear the combat wasn't going to get much better either, if the game is good then it takes far too long ti get there. E33 by comparison by this point had the gommage, the beach, introduced the gestrals and the curator and I'd be fighting the boss with the rad electric theme with all of the party members unique mechanics. The comparison is very unfavourable.

>>713636186
I wish I had given up on XVI as early as you did. I chugged on through to the end and felt like it was all just a massive waste of time.

>>713634641
But Rebirth combat system is nothing remotely remarkable.

>>713634562 (OP)
It means absolutely nothing.

Also, since when does Square Enix not make turn-based games anymore? They make more turn-based games than any other publisher on the planet.

>>713636484
Which games would you say did that style of combat better?

>>713635876
I never expected anything good from FF after 13. I cannot believe a company who wastes 10 years on FF13 is able to ever produce a good game. And i'm still right.

>>713636531
The main issue is SEs budgeting problem. it's very unbalanced where 1 or 2 titles get an shamefully large budget while 20 other games bets pennies. Which kind of budget do you think the turn base SE games gets nowadays?

>>713636630
I can't tell, the closet thing to it I played was Sudeki and it was trash. Don't get me wrong, I don't think using a turn-based system is what FF needs. Square's golden era was pushed by experimental systems, not by repeating the same shit again and again. What FF needs is an engaging and interesting system: That's what Expedition did. Not because it was turn-based, it worked because its system had a solid foundation and knew how to expand on it.
>>713636713
I liked XIII, except for the MMO segments.

>>713637505
>I liked XIII, except for the MMO segments.
This guy gets it. Gran Pulse killed the flow of the game.

>>713637505
>>713637975
XIII's biggest sin is that it doesn't even let you build your characters until the game is over. You aren't given the materials for weapon or accessory customization which is fucking weird when they unlock the shop for it in the first few hours. And the pseudo sphere grid is entirely on rails with no choices to make and even it puts level caps on you for each chapter. If they unlocked all that stuff much earlier then it would be a much better game.

>>713634641
Rebirth sucks cause of stagger bar mechanics. Stagger bar mechanics makes 90% of the fight boring and redundant

>>713638363
Yeah I didn't like the sphere grid at all. Whatever they wanted to do, they couldn't achieve it.

>>713634562 (OP)
Sandfall should buy Square Enix

>>713634562 (OP)
Fake News

https://x.com/aitaikimochi/status/1937902055454380068

>>713635353
SE has put out like 4x as many turn based games in compared to action RPGs since 2023

>>713635876
you forgot 7r2 and 3 in there also sucking shit through a straw

>>713640262
got lazy but yeah.

>>713638363
FFXIII is all flair and not much substance the battle system is basically let's make it flashy and cool looking. The battle system only works as intended when you have a full party, so of course Square-Enix decided to create what is basically the longest tutorial section in gaming 10-15 hours. Throw that in and you have a very dangerous combo of people either dropping the game or not bothering to even learn the battle system once you get a full party.

>>713640598
>FFXIII is all flair and not much substance the battle system is basically let's make it flashy and cool looking.
This is a recurring problem SE seems to have with the Final Fantasy series.

>>713634562 (OP)
>Square says they're aware of Expedition 33
>one shareholder said they want a FF game to be turn-based
>this means Square literally admitted they failed with FFXVI FF7 remakes
So your last thread gets autosaged so you spam another afterwards? Get help schizo.

>>713640792
SE needs to constantly be in the narrative and constantly shilled and constantly failing so whenever the fuck they make something good it will be another miracle. I wouldn't be surprised if the thread spam isn't even schizos or paid pajeets but bots that specifically just circulate whatever is trending about ff every other hour here so some sad nip can pretend he is doing brand engagement

>>713640774
Square-Enix needs to get it through their thick skulls that they can't let the higher production values ie gwafix do the heavy lifting as a crutch anymore, as we are in a era of diminishing gains on that front.

Ye no turn based combat is precisely the reason nu final fantasies are underwhelming

>>713640138
>They should focus on quality over quantity and release at least one Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest title each year
Is that a typo or...?

we all knew the waves of copyslop would come after this game, and they will suck.

It's funny how Square-Enix doesn't get that Final Fantasy has not had the premium badge since FFXIII shattered it.
First game that felt like it didn't live up to the brand name was FFX-2, seriously the game series has not been consistently good for about 22 years now.
It's insane we even care about it and they should be glad with what they have.

>>713634562 (OP)
The combat is fun, aside from health gate enemies... Square fucked up because they broke up a game in to 3 separate games. If anything they should have done something similar to Baldurs gate, you buy the game now, you can play Midgar section and maybe a little after and they can take 5 years to finish the rest of the game while taking advice/critism from the community to make it better.

>>713642968
>Sakaguchi gets booted
>We instantly see this tonal shift in the games
>All of a sudden we get jumping the shark shit such as Advent Children, Crisis Core and X-2
Some people still like to downplay his influence as a tard wrangler.

>>713642968
12 was worse received than 13 by everyone but game critics
If you want to talk about FF ditching turn based that was patient zero

>>713642968
>Final Fantasy has not had the premium badge since FFXIII shattered it.

You are out of your mind if you think FFXVII will be turn based.

>>713634562 (OP)
Imagine being square and being reduced to chasing trends.
lol
lmao even

>>713634562 (OP)
Said "investor" is just a journalist, see >>713642121

>>713644234
>The game that was riding on a 10 year hype train
>Released half baked as fuck running like complete utter dog shit on base PS4
>Bunch of gameplay and story missing that had to be added in Royal Edition
Some premium experience that was bro.

They just had to improve the graphics and sound for the FF7 remake but they went full retard with it and the full thing isn't even out yet. If they release a "director's cut" with the original battle system and extra fan fic shit edited out I think it would sell a few million or so with proper advertising.

>>713643307
Thats the episodic shit you retards where angry about

>>713644557
https://www.consolecreatures.com/xenogears-remaster-square-enix/
Not like actual shareholders saying things or asking for things necessarily results in them being made anyway.

>>713645229
It was always so bullshit that SE didn't just give Xenogears to Monolith Soft since the devs that made the IP are there now. SE has zero intention of doing anything with the game, yet they still want to own it.

>>713644842
Saddest part of FF7 remake project is that outside of certain pussified aspects such as jenova black good blood etc in general the parts from the OG are really fucking good.
It's just that everything from the FF7 expanded universe sticks out like a sore thumb not only tonally but even the design aesthetics.

>>713644842
When will you old retarded boomers get that most people don't give a fuck about the original battle system and like the new one much better?

>>713645635
>that derpy ass helicopter
HOLY SOVL

I liked Octopath 2 a lot.

>>713635571
Because everyone knows it sucks.

>>713635571
To truly cash in on multiplats it needs to be multiplat day one.

>>713637505
Maelle and I should be making babies.

>>713634641
No.

>>713645229
True, but with context it has even less weight. These kind of suggestions also can take forever to come to fruition.
It's clear the next 3 year period they keep talking about has a lineup already set in stone.

>>713634792
Just like Stellar blade flopped on PC, right?

>>713636713
>I cannot believe a company who wastes 10 years on FF13
Taking a decade to release one game should be grounds for executing the people in charge.

>>713646476
FFXVI and Rebirth didn't flop on PC.

Square-Enix has been lucky because they have not really experienced stiff competition when it comes to their turf of high production value J-RPGs.
CAPCOM and KONAMI stopped making J-RPGs.
KONAMI has returned to video games who knows maybe we will see something from them but, nowadays the Koreans and Chinese are interested in high production single player games too.

>>713646476
Stellar Blade's earth shattering success on PC really did kill the whole narrative that FF games being ported to PC later killed their momentum.

>>713640161
Yeah, with the absolute minimum amount of press and budget
They've tried to make action combat work, and I'd argue KH2 is the only real success story on that front
Everything else is gimmicky and over flashy garbage, but hooks simpletons because of the spectacle

>>713646762
im pretty sure they did not meet the expectations

>>713646789
Sega has been stepping up lately though

It's silly to say that SE failed because the games weren't turned based. You people put FAR more importance on the battle system than is warranted. The first FF7 Remake sold more than Clair Obscur (so far), and it wasn't turned based. Rebirth selling worse isn't due to it being turned based. That's purist projection.

Have you said "Merci" to them today?

>>713647719
Said it previously everything from the OG except the pussified aspects is really good, it's the expanded universe shit that sticks out like a sore thumb design and tonally.

>>713647719
People only bought the first 7Remake because they thought it would be an actual remake

>>713647719
>The first FF7 Remake sold more than Clair Obscur (so far), and it wasn't turned based
Sold exclusively on brand loyalty.
RPG players buy RPGs. The battle system is paramount to a proper FF.

>>713648309
I love almost everything about the remakes, and Rebirth was my GOTY for 2024. The only thing I don't like is the time jannie shit, which is especially egregious because Square wants to change things but keep them the exact same.
>Biggs, Wedge, and maybe Jessie survived
>Nevermind, Wedge was actually thrown out of a skyscraper and died (that shit is not immediately obvious in Remake), Biggs was sent to alternate timeline and still died, and Jessie was alway dead.
To be clear, I want them to stay dead, along with Aerith and Zack. SE is just cheating narratively by following the story beat for beat--despite the changing fate nonsense--while keeping dead characters around.

>>713634562 (OP)
Finally a real FF will be made

>>713649052
Only took them 20+ years

>>713649121
SE is super retarded is what I learned

>>713648813
There's not a 10 million player discrepancy on sales solely due to the battle system not being turn based. That's pure projection. The purists knew the first time around that Remake wasn't turned based, and it's not like the game was poorly received. The primary complaint before wasn't the battle system, and it still isn't.

It blows my mind that people think that their preferences are everybody else's. They're not.

>>713634778
If SE had made EX33 people would have expected a higher production value. That’s pretty much where it ends. EX33 is just as fun if not more fun than Rebirth and I was a huge Rebirth shill. This idea that this game is graded on a curve because of muh narrative is peak Shartnix cope.

>>713647719
I don't consider myself a turn based purist but the fact of the matter is Final Fantasy has never had good action combat despite MANY attempts, with the sole exception of Stranger of Paradise, which by pure coincidence was not made by SE

Believe it or not but you can like both turn based and action.
Wouldn't be surprised if they refuse to make turn based FF anymore due to developer ignorance.
I read some interview with Mikami where he couldn't grasp how some wanted a new RE game in the classic style.
That's when I realised a lot of these guys are stuck up their own asses.

>>713635876
I loved 7r and 16 is still shit and Rebirth is the best thing they’ve released since 10.

>>713635095
>release new game
>goes down
>whore out your ip to hasbro
>shit goes up
Maybe they should just stop making videogames...

>>713649747
>Believe it or not but you can like both turn based and action.
You can, but I'm not going to the FINAL FANTASY franchise for action games, just as I don't go to McDonalds to eat sushi.

>>713635571
I am huge ff fanboy and I not interested in xvi because it has action combat.

>>713634641
well it seems people don't agree with that

>Remake flopped
>XVI flopped
>SE sees this and...
>forces XIV to flop

>>713636186
it was painfully obvious it was another “it gets good 40 hours in” meme like 13 but the game actually never opened up. you got hunts but the game was so fucking easy it was hard to consider it content. and the drops just went to making a weapon or two which isn’t even really impressive because you basically get a free weapon after every eikon fight. the unlock side quests just go to equipment or things that make the game easier like more potions. there is literally zero reason to do anything that isn’t the story in 16. this is such a poorly designed game on so many levels. I just know that if they try another turn based ff they will drop the ball on everything else like they did with 13, 15, and 16 and blame it on turn based again

>>713650173
FFXVI lack of RPG elements was a detriment to the game itself.
Even the most basic bitch rpg elements would have improved the game.
Whoah having elemental damage and status effects makes picking what weapon and accessory you use meaningful.

>>713650356
What is their master plan

>>713650173
I was okay with it being action combat because Final Fantasy or JRPGs arent the only things I play. I hated the game regardless because its action combat was just not good. All they did was rip off Nero from DMC5 but make it all worse, while simultaneously giving the game terrible enemy design and terrible level design to accompany its mediocre combat.

>>713650360
Damn, they fucked up 16 like they did 15? I haven't played 16, but 15 was completely broken. The player can easily get to max level by abusing the half-baked cooking and magic system.

>Yeah so we are going to make this really mature FF game, world building, political intrigue etc will be at the forefront
>First cutscene in the game seems to imply this then Benedikta dies and its back to standard fare JRPG plot
What happened? Did they start with the intention of the above mentioned and then just give up or something?

>>713650734
there’s no power leveling system per se but some moves are way more broken than others and you can’t even play hard mode until you beat the game once but who is going to replay the story?

>>713650360
This is why people say the demo is the best part of the game. You presume it only gets better from there, but it really doesn't. You get more available feats and abilities to use in combat, and thats really it. For better or worse the demo is a perfect encapsulation of what to expect from the rest of the game.

>>713651123
they kept following GoT but instead of the game ending at season 8 they stopped at season 5. they kept all the cutscenes with naked men though

>>713651337
The game turned out to be so unsatisfying I felt like I was reliving GoT season 8 all over again.

>>713650397
The lack of elemental powers is my only real gripe with the game. I felt it was sublime otherwise, but it’s odd to have a game give you so many abilities from Eikons where their elements are a prominent component of their design, only for those elements to mean nothing in the gameplay.
Still a 9.5/10 game.

>>713651123
A little more time should have been spent as young Clive, there should have been one battle against a Sanbreque incursion which they repel to truly make Annabelles betrayal sting and make Clive seething.
Clives time as a slave soldier for Sanbreque should not have been speed runned, this is a good time to also do a lot of world building because Clive is just for the most part insignificant in the big picture during this period. Did they not have the balls to do this because they would have been forced to develop Clives relationship with Tiamat which he then betrays to save Jill?

>>713635571
>Clearly XVI going multiplat didn't turn its fortunes around.
Not only it was like over a year too late to the party it also was tied to Sony which means over 100 countries literally could not purchase it on Steam and other stores.
In the end you have
>outdated game
>DRM
>60+$ price
>Sony restrictions
I just watched cutscenes on Youtube and never considered purchasing XVI. Timed exclusives are shit and region restrictions is even more shit. Squeex gonna gas themselves as long as they keep pandering to Sony deals.

>>713634562 (OP)
>Literally who tweet
>THEY ADMITTED IT
Grasping on straws. Watch how their next turn based game flops even harder.

>>713651809
I played it because I had nothing else to do and I really do love final fantasy as a series. I’ve literally played them all even the spinoffs but it’s literally just a movie game like nu god of war. what a waste of $50. for all of 15s flaws the fishing is really fun

>>713651123
>>713651747
FFXVI is packed with these bizarre choices.
>You spend hours fucking around with L'ubor sidequests
>You get one quest at the end of the game with your main crew
lmfao

>>713634641
>need to hit a fucking rat with a giant ass greatsword 50 times to break it's arbitrary stagger bar, and only THEN can you do damage to it

Great combat!

>Could have been a cool conqueror type of character like Napoleon or Genghis Khan that doesn't give a fuck about Ultima
>Instead he was just some puppet with a mommy fetish
What a waste...

>>713650360
At least it's better then stellar flop, that shit is trash. No wonder it flopped. 16 flopping is a nothing burger it'll recover by 17. Stellar Blade was not a success precisely because it's a shit game with a shit combat system.

>>713653942
Uh why did you bring up stellar blade out of nowhere? I haven't played it but I heard it was a success. I'm confused what does that have to do with anything?

>>713640138
>shitposters are so desperate for validation they'll just invent fanfiction whole cloth now
Jesus christ....

>>713653494
lol did they really need to include the cutscene of him fucking ultima as his mom
>>713653942
take your meds

>>713640138
>However, the biggest takeaway is they said they have very interesting line-ups for the next 3 years.
do they plan to ever show them off or?

>>713653942
It’s funny that Stellar Blade is still being praised for its combat a year later by the likes of Shuhei Yoshida, while XVI’s combat immediately stopped being praised the moment the game came out.

>>713653494
warrior of darkness nigga

>>713654814
Please look forward to it

take rebirths combat system and insert it into an NEW setting and get a young writer, someone not stuck in cliches and nostalgiawankery

boom, ff17 is saved

FFXVI loves to undermine some of its key moments
>I'm all alone separated from my family
>Time skip, oh look I reunited with Jill and Torgal
>Noooooooo it was I who killed my brother
>Nah there was this secret cult society who saved him which is revealed the next 5 minutes

>>713654871
Because Stellar Blade doesnt make a pretense that it's an ARPG. It doesnt even have levels.

>>713634562 (OP)
>Dragon Quest 11 outsells Final Fantasy 7 remake and 16
>shareholders: *crickets*
>a game from another company outsells FF7 and 16
>shareholders: "OMG copy that game!"

I agree with whoever that investor wants. Turn-based RPGs are just more fun.

>>713654814
I wonder if they want to avoid revealing something and then having to find a way to hype it up for years.
Nintendo sits on completed projects and paces their releases and announces it less than half a year before release.
Fucking Xenoblade 3 did a ridiculous move and actually bumped up it's release date by 2 months.

>>713634778
It would've still held up. The story is the driving factor for the high reviews. I think it is the best game story to date

Good. Someone finally told SE to stop being retarded.

>>713657321
that investor doesn't exist

>>713657351
SE does have a tendency to showcase their games far too early so may be an attempt to move away from that.

>>713657967
Maybe DQ12 is taking forever to show cause they got cold feet about mixing it up?
Honestly though, the whole crybabies about "muh turnbased" really only talking about Final Fantasy. If it doesn't have the name, they ignore it, like what happened with Bravely and DQ. And even then I doubt they actually play any FF, it's probably just a hivemind seething about it.

>>713634562 (OP)
Yoshi-P shouldnt had talked trash about turn-based

>>713657967
>That investor doesn't exist
>It was an investment media reporter
Ok, and? The question was still asked and he got an answer.

What people really ask for every mainline FF is a great story. Gameplay is just the cherry on top and irrelevant. As to when will we ever get a great one for FF from SE seems near impossible

>>713634562 (OP)
Someone had to tell them sooner or later.

I'm simply not even -considering- buying a FF game before it's turn based. Remake, XVI, Rebirth, all these game do literally not exist to me.

>>713661063
They can't even do that nowadays

>>713634778
This, E33 is overrated mediocre dogshit

>>713651809
Don't forget the game looks like a 2016 game at best but requires around 12-14gigs of vram on 1080p for whatever fucked reason while games like expedition 33 or stellar blade on pc require around 6-7gigs
Ff16 was literally unplayable for a lot of people

What SE fail to understand is that there are better ARPGs out there. I don't want to play an ARPG when I boot up Final Fantasy. I won't touch their products until this lesson is learned.

>>713634778
>Admits that Square Enix is incapable of making a good game
We know.

>>713661270
like the fanbase for the last 2-3 decades

>>713661270
It's more like people, even the shareholders, were telling them for years. They just plugged their ears and wouldn't hear it. Until their stock price started dropping and the DEI money started drying up. Which happened last year (meaning it became noticeable this year).

E33 was made with passion and soul.
SE's trash is made by greedy old has-beens.
The fact that their games aren't turn-based, which is still a huge downgrade, is the LEAST of their problems.

>>713634562 (OP)
kek must suck to see FF7 flop around 2m sales while literally who frenchies with a new ip sell 3m+

>>713634562 (OP)
Previously they sorta did, but that's not what's happening here. The investor effectively asked for a return to turn-based combat for mainline FF, and the SE rep basically just brushed it off saying "haha yes so true we make many turn-based games like Octopath :^)))"

>>713634562 (OP)
they're just going to completely overlook what made E33 good and make XIII again

>>713662660
>E33 was made with passion and soul.
And unreal engine asset flipping

>>713662912
I hope the new CEO has more of a brain than the last one.

>>713634562 (OP)
I know this thread is just samefags but the entire thing was mistranslated. The guy isn't even an investor.

>>713663165
Don't expect something as pesky and leftranny as facts to get in the way of a good shitpost narrative.

>>713634562 (OP)
Sakaguchi could've spared Square of this fate had he just not made Spirits Within.

>713634641
Imagine being THIS wrong.
Oh and no (You) for fags.

>>713646003
>still no good ochette lewds
life is cruel

>>713663165
It wasn't even a mistranslation (outside of maybe the "investor" part), it was just people having shit reading comprehension.
>plan to continue delivering such games
in other words pr speak for nothing will change. they will continue shitting out low budget turn-based rpgs like boring default, squidpath, HD-2D demake slop etc while the big budget FFs remain ARPGs.

>>713650540
the eggman

>>713634778
Nah I would've laid into e33 if it was bad.
All se has to do to win me over, Turn based, no gays, no interracial relationships, i would prefer a nonsensical story. Something like ff8 without the high school j drama.

>>713661941
You're are 100% correct, I don't primarily play FF games for the amazing gameplay, I play for the stories, the characters, the world and music.
If anything the more the combat is action the more it puts me off the series, I could tolerate FF15's combat even though I didn't like it, because the game still retained FF fundamentals like elemental weaknesses, a party system, different weapons and gear, builds but the story itself of FF15 was dogshit, the world itself was dogshit, the characters were dogshit so it ruined that game for me.
They had this all worked out with ff4-ff10 and then had to change the formula and the series has never been the same since.

>>713663356
The second Spirits Within was greenlit was the second this company was cursed. Guch was the perfect tard-wrangler, able to keep all the "creatives" in check. Without him it's all a shitshow.

>>713634562 (OP)
FFXVI's combat was pretty clearly a failure. FF7R is more mixed. Generally the combat system isn't the primary complaint with Rebirth.

>>713664269
Agreed. Rebirth's combat is pretty low-mid to me, but the combat is far from Rebirth's biggest issue.

>>713657508
You mean like of all time?

>>713634778
Yeah, the 33 devs and a dog lie is pretty clear evidence for this.

>>713634562 (OP)
imagine sitting in a board meeting for a 4000-employee company and someone brings up that your flagship titles is being outsold by a game made by 30 frenchies

>>713637505
I honestly don't think the Rebirth combat is even near to its final form. It has so much potential with the real time vs paused, magic, ATB commands that change attack patterns, and now the synergy attacks. I want it to stay and I want SE to continue to work on it because I see massive amounts of potential. E33 is cool because of QTE and being able to use each characters strengths to buff each other for more powerful attacks, I can see something like that being worked into the synergy system. I know it's not perfect right now, in between ATB charges it feels stiff just running around smacking enemies, but I think once innovated and experimented with it could blend perfectly what is great about E33, turn based, and real time combat into one. They just need to cook a bit more

When was DQ not turn based?

>>713649052
We can only hope.

>>713656451
They already own DQ11. Why would they want to copy a game they have?

>>713644234
so successful they cancelled the planned dlcs keke

>>713634825
this
even monster hunter is in freefall now

No turn based = no buy.
It really is just that simple.

>>713634641
>Turn based sucks compared to rebirth
Truth.

>>713634562 (OP)
>And Dragon Quest.
When has mainline Dragon Quest not been turn based?
Unless Square was unironically working on a action combat Dragon Quest main line behind the scenes and that's why there hasn't been a single update since.

>>713666264
Didn't they say 12 was going to be action combat years ago?

>>713666291
If that's the case, then jew enix proves time and time again to be more stupid than one can believe

>>713663356
Squaresoft was burning money before Spirits Within. In large part because of their investment into CGI tech. Spirits Within was made because Square management felt like they weren't making enough money for their investment. But also, management under Wada was so bad, he was losing money. Despite having some of the highest selling games of all time.

Square management killed Squaresoft. Not the merger or Spirits Within. What's sad is, after the merger was greenlit by Enix, the very next year Kingdom Hearts and FFX came out. And made them more money than ever. They didn't need the merger. And they put the same stupid people who ran Squaresoft into the ground in charge of the now combined SquareEnix, while Enix was the one who ate their debt. It was a golden parachute for Square and Enix just died.

>>713634562 (OP)
Go woke go broke

>>713665523
The hipocracy is they already had multiple examples of turn based games not only selling well, but selling better than action FF games. But they ignored those. Then the minute some other company is successful with it, they wake up to turn based actually being good.

>>713634641
Turn based is fine, just not FFs dogshit version of it.

What Square Enix desperately needs is a purge of the old guard who believe Final Fantasy is the end all, be all for their company.
Final Fantasy at this point has done more damage to their brand than good, purely held up by the nostalgia of millennials who were unfortunate enough not to have loving parents growing up

>>713634562 (OP)
The real issue isn't whether it's turn based or not, it's whether it's fun or not. And the last few FF just haven't been fun to play.

>>713664095
Wasn't he the tard making the movie that killed them

To me Final Fantasy is always going to be turn based. My first FF was 3, and I played them all after that, including the latest offerings (XVI and Rebirth). And after 10 they were all shit.
I am at the point where I won't buy the last part of the Remake trilogy simply because the combat isn't fun.

I replayed 6 last month. The combat is genuinely better than anything SE has in multiple decades.

>>713666597
Despite liking their other IPs more, I think Final Fantasy can still be saved. But the old guard and the people in charge of the series will not do what needs to be done. So they should still be purged.

>>713666926
A bunch of earlier FF games weren't fun either, but were more popular and sold more.

>>713667004
He was. No one had him wrangled.

>>713634641
>have to constantly stare at three HP bars rather than the cool action since party members can't heal themselves
No

>>713634946
Turn based would make developing easier since they don't have to design the worlds to be action combat zones.

>Take FFXVI
>Make it classic turn based but with more mechanics on top of it
>This way you can save up some costs by not making it a fucking action game
>Keep boss battles traditional, sprinkle in a few secret superbosses
>The setting and characters would have already worked for a FF game albeit gayer and darker, gayer literally because of the fag characters
There, I salvaged the XVI project. Fire all the oldfags in square enix, they're not worth keeping around. Lock Nomura in a basement and don't let him touch anything other than his kingdom hearts autism, just force him to draw like before and to shut the fuck up. Bring new blood in and give them AA-tier projects for more new RPG games. Make turn based FF spinoffs, use that "modern retro" pixel style like with octopath traveler to save on costs and increase amount of content. This shit isn't hard, they're just retarded Japanese people following their retarded corporate culture AKA only listening to what old faggots say even if they're wrong and retarded but you can't call them wrong and retarded even when their choices lose the company even more money. Bunch of fucking idiots. They can easily go back to making good RPGs, they just choose not to on purpose and then cry about it. Dumbfuck japs.

>>713636713
>I cannot believe a company who wastes 10 years on FF13
wrong game but i still agree

>>713634562 (OP)
Total turn-based victory.

>>713635876
16 has already released, and it was shit.

>>713634562 (OP)
the ultra shilled game methaphor refantazio sold only 2 million after a year, less than ffxvi. Why do people constantly pretend that e33 sold well becasue of the turn based system when it's absolutey not the case

>>713668062
Read his post again

>>713668140
ok. Nope, he's still under the impression we live in a pre-16 release world.

I don't give a shit if it's turn-based or realtime, just give me full party control. If I only get to play as one nigga and everyone else is AI then your game is G A R B A G E

>>713634778
Square Enix released three games with gameplay similar to E33 (Final Fantasy XIII trilogy) and they were relentlessly shit on. So hard in fact, that SE decided to abandon turn-based combat for their flagship series after Lightning Returns fucking flopped.

Fast forward 15 years and now E33 is being praised to heaven (despite being a 7/10 game) and SE is being shit on by a handful of retards for abandoning turn-based combat. Fucking unbelievable. lmao

TLDR: The turn-based fanbase is the most pretentious, self-entitled and ignorant fanbase in gaming.

>>713668517
XIII trilogy was absolutely not turn-based at all. It was real time but with ATB, to the point where hitting Auto was your best option during 90% of turns unless there was something very specific you wanted to do.

>>713663016
I'd happily take XIII again over whatever the fuck they tried to do with XVI.

>>713668773
>ATB isn't turn-based
Yes it is.

>>713668297
>clinical retardation
you should see a doctor

>>713668517
>Square Enix released three games with gameplay similar to E33 (Final Fantasy XIII trilogy)
You fucking what? XIII and XIII-2 are both ATB games but you only get to control one party member at once. XIII has no RPG mechanics until you finish the game. Lightning Returns is a weird mix between ATB and action game. E33 on the other hand is FFX's turn system with Mario RPG mechanics. They're not similar at all.

>>713668297
>Nope, he's still under the impression we live in a pre-16 release world.
He said 16 was shit. Are you illiterate?

>>713667702
This. I spent so much time as the heal-slut in that game solely because the AI is retarded.

>>713668118
>methaphor refantazio sold only 2 million
And they didn't even have to add demo players to reach it.
Astounding!

>>713649694
Really? I would've expected worse graphics from Square Enix given their recent games.

>>713635876
FFXVII will save the franchise, just wait and see. I know I said it for the last 5 games, but this time I'm right.

>>713670169
Who is directing it?

>>713668517
And people like (You) is why Final Faggotflop will continue to bomb until it's killed all together, while Dragon Quest continues to print cash.

>>713668517
i want them to make new turnslop just so it bombs

why would i ever buy a ff that isn't turn based?

>>713670504
>Dragon Quest continues to print cash.
True.

>>713670283
Todd Howard

>>713670987
>mistranslation from 2021
Seething!

Turn-based doesn't automatically solve the issues Square Enix currently has.
That's the terrible story/world writers, way too much filler in their games and general sloppy MMO quest design or trend chasing designs forced in by an ageing old guard who should've retired years ago.

>>713670987
>it's not turn based
Like a week after this, Horii confirmed it is turn based. He just said he was looking into doing something unique within the usual system. And of course the excellent western "journalists" turned that into "OMG Dragon Quest is going SOULSLIKE!" Because idiots like you will take the bait.

>>713634641
faggot

>>713671016
Shiiiiet!

>>713671089
Correct. Though going turn based will fix some of the issues. It won't fix the biggest issue which is cutscene/dialogue filler. Something plaguing most AAA games. Even Dragon Quest XI has this problem.

But they're never going to go to the opposite extreme and make a game like Final Fantasy III or V again.

Nu FF flops because IT SUCKS PENIS
ANYTHING ELSE IS DELUSION

>>713634641
Well, we don't want turn-based FF in the first place. We want ATB, that was its defining feature next to the various iterations of a job system.

>>713642121
It better be fucking Dragon Quest related.
Imagine the shitstorm if they actually turn DQ12 into action slop.

>>713671257
Don't speak for everyone. I'd rather it go back to straight turn based. And jobs. Like FFIII, X and Bravely Default.

>>713670987
Hopefully true. Dragon Quest XI was my first DQ game, but I couldn't finish it because the combat is garbage. It is a (mostly) charming game, just with terrible gameplay.

I couldn't finish Persona 5 either for that matter. It is just the same shit over and over and over and over again.

>>713634792
Yeah. It's funny cause they are being fooled into not following their vision, which is what makes their games great. No lgbt pandering, no westie pandering.
They should make the games they want to make.
If they make a Turn Based title, people will cry "*groan*... another turn based? really?" and just won't buy it, leaving Square scratching their heads.
E33 was successful, not because it was a legit good game, but because people were told "you don't like turn based" and they took it as a challenge.

>>713634641
You are a fag.
Play a good action game instead of that shitty hurt box air masher with semi pause
If these fuckers had designed the actual interactions better it could have been good.
But all you do is mash on these gigantic hit boxes in empty arenas and a soulless open world with very lacking technical presentation

>>713634641
Nope.

>>713634641
I feel like you're false flagging. Rebirth's combat system is really fun and robust. And comparing it to this nebulous "turn based" system doesn't make any sense.

>>713634825
Trvke

>>713634641
FPBP

>>713671257
>We want ATB
So turn-based.

>>713668118
I love how conveniently you forget that Flopbirth had THE biggest shill campaign ever seen on this board. Fuck the Switch 2 wasn't shilled as badly as that shit.

>>713671841
BASED AND ORANGEPILLED

>>713634562 (OP)
SE is so retarded I think the next game(released in 2034) will be the most barebones turn based game ever because "they want turn based right?"

>>713673293

Yeah probably. They'll make something out of spite, because their "original vision" is trash, and when it flops because it's clearly underdeveloped they'll conclude it's time to go back to what no one liked in the first place.
The fact that this entire company somehow manages to make it from quarter to quarter when the fundamentals are this fucked is bizarre.

>>713635571
I still like Jill a lot.

>>713673405
They're Japanese. Even their investment culture isn't very "dynamic". A lot of old rich farts will keep the company afloat because that's what they've always done.

>>713645635
The new battle system is even worse bullshit for ADHD monkeys

>>713650540
selling out to chinks, same as every other brand failure in the last few decades

>>713653494
>could have been a worse version of van baelsar
>made him a crazy monster fucking zombie instead
Probably the only great thing about the dominants tbqh

>>713646476
Stellar post.

>>713674658
is that pussy a mod?

>>713634562 (OP)
I wouldn't mind seeing a Final Fantasy game trying a timeline-based battle system, there's certainly good material to work with.

>>713661896
also forced RTX

>>713650734
15 was shit. FU ending. stupid story. end game content after the story ends. on rails open world until way way towards the end where it didnt fuckng matter much.

>>713674054
>Even their investment culture isn't very "dynamic"
at least it's better than america's lawyers scamming valve for "investment"

>>713649747
Mikami is just sick of the formula cuz he's an artist and wants to try making new stuff. Customers just want the same comfort food games if we're being honest.

>>713675007
if they're going to test the waters: rip of old Grandia, that's a dangerously underused formula that's still ripe for exploitation

>>713634641
TRUKE

>>713674721
Nope, that's all home-grown out of the box.

>>713670504
>Dragon Quest continues to print cash.
Literally every game since 2017 flopped, and it does so poorly outside Japan that it skipped the entire 3DS generation despite releasing a dozen games for the console.

>>713676028
Damn. I knew the game was explicit, but not to that extent. Nice.

>>713634562 (OP)
funny how metaflop doesn't even get talked about these days. E33 will be the same in a year.

>>713676087
>i-it's not Final Fantasy, i-it's e-everything!
15m. Thriving.

>>713676368
Oh are you one of those "all publicity is good publicity" sub-90 IQ NPCs?
Really worked out for Rebirth, huh?

I honestly don’t get the sentiment of these threads.
Final Fantasy hasn’t been good in 25 years (disregarding FFX nostalgialards and that one guy who likes XV). Why are so many people insistent on the idea that the combat system was the reason why and not just literally everything about the games?
Would XV and XVI suddenly be palatable if they just played like Dragon Quest? It all reads like people who say Suicide Squad’s issue was the character designs, like you’d swallow down rancid shit if it had cool foil around it.

>>713634778
I loved e33 but this is true. I think the price factor played into it as well. The game feels very unfinished and unpolished after you defeat the paintress.

>>713634792
I think the biggest issue of remake was that midgar was the slogfest tutorial section of the original. Rebirth fixed every issue of the first one.

Contrarians biggest gripe of rebirth is essentially there's too much side content. Which is autistic cope.

If you don't like rebirth you're not even an actual fan of the franchise. If you say you only like games from 3 decades ago or more and haven't even played any past 10 you shouldn't even be talking about the series.

>>713676392
Yeah that’s not Dragon Quest, and the point was about Dragon Quest.
Dragon Quest is a shitty series that only decaying boomers in Nipland care about, and it’s fast becoming an extinct series considering it’s gone from 2 million sales in 2 days, to 2 million sales in 2 months for numbered entries (even ignoring that all the people who made the games are dead/dying).

>>713676087
>Literally every game since 2017 flopped
DQ spin offs always sell 1-2 million. And these ones did as well.
>and it does so poorly outside Japan that it skipped the entire 3DS generation despite releasing a dozen games for the console.
Who skipped what? Dragon Quest VII and VIII on 3DS released in the west. It's stupid they didn't bring over the others. But it's not because of a lack of sales. Whenever the games do release in the west is sells out and then sell on ebay for $100+. Since they only print like 250-400k copies for the games.

The issue is not a lack of sales. It's a lack of support from SE.

>>713676462
>Would XV and XVI suddenly be palatable if they just played like Dragon Quest?
No but it would show that someone at SE at least acknowledges that there is a problem, and that they've identified one of the very legitimate issues with modern Final Fantasy and are aiming to repair it.

Modern FF has a ton of problem but the combat being bad is a large, glaring, burning hot issue and trying to fix that would at least prove that yes, someone is actually listening. Up until now SE have been shoving their heads in the sand and blaming the players as their sales dwindle ever-lower.

>>713676542
>Dragon Quest is a shitty series that only decaying boomers in Nipland care about
>sales keep rising in the west
>Dragon Quest XI confirmed to sell more than FF7 and 16 thanks to western sales

>and it’s fast becoming an extinct series considering it’s gone from 2 million sales in 2 days, to 2 million sales in 2 months for numbered entries
>Dragon Quest VII was the highest selling title in the series, until Dragon Quest IX supplanted it. Then XI supplanted IX.
In before he ignores all of this and deflects to some other incorrect cherry-picked "fact."

>>713677043
>DQ spin-offs always sell 1-2 million
Which is why SE never publicized numbers on the spinoffs. Unless you’re trying to call DQ3, the game with a four year long dev cycle by one of SE’s larger studios, a “spin-off”.
>Who skipped what?
Dragon Quest Monsters 1, 2, DQXI, Theatarhythm, the 3DS releases of 1-3, Rocket Slime 3, DQMJ3, among other titles.
7 and 8 only got to sneak by due to existing translations, several years after their Japanese releases, and they did so poorly that SE didn’t even bother putting 7’s phone port out in English.
Also, they print a low run because nobody buys the games. Before Covid, those games were going for $40 at most, typically closer to $20. They only spiked because everything spiked.

>>713676471
>If you don't like rebirth you're not even an actual fan of the franchise.
That must explain why it sold so poorly? No one wants to be fans of shit games.

>>713677248
>thanks to western sales
The only number ever given for western sales was “one million”. After 5 years.
>Then XI supplanted IX.
And then the remake of the most popular DQ game face planted on launch and was universally hated by everyone here in modern times.

to me jrpgs don't make sense unless they're turn based
when they make them actionslop they just feel weird and under developed

>>713673585
no one cares

>>713677334
>Unless you’re trying to call DQ3, the game with a four year long dev cycle by one of SE’s larger studios, a “spin-off”.
It's a remaster and not a brand new game.
>7 and 8 only got to sneak by due to existing translations
Dragon Quest VII got a completely new translation from the ground up. Dragon Quest VIII on 3DS got translation changes as well as some new voice work.
>and they did so poorly that SE didn’t even bother putting 7’s phone port out in English.
And your source? In before vgchartz.

Like I said before, most DQ games get underprinted in the west. This is why they end up selling online for higher than their original cost. You can't say a game that only got 400k copies printed, then went on to sell 400lk copies, was a failure. Well, of course you will because you're a proven liar and outright admitted to just hating DQ. But because you keep posting things that can be proven to be wrong, it's not working.

>>713677672
True.

>>713646476
B A S E D
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>>713638412
And that's still not the worst part. Both games have forced cutscene segments where bosses do not lose HP and you waste both the stagger gauge and your ATB.

>>713663675
There’s a few in rule34 xxx. In general there’s not a lot of OT2 material.

Even if SE said the next mainline FF was turn based I have no faith in them at this point, they'll have to prove me wrong by releasing a good game first.

If you want an old FF experience in a new game I recommend trying out the Crescent Tower demo on steam. This shit is basically FF1 with the job system. You have to unlock creating your own characters in the demo, but it's great. The guy making it clearly understands old FF games. I recommend playing on retro difficulty if you are into the nes FF games.

>>713677359
It has a high audience score. The issue was marketing and exclusivity and remake not being received well.

It sold 3 million just on ps5 which is 70% or so of the overall sales of remake. No one should of expected it to sell like God of war.

>>713676471
>If you don't like rebirth you're not even an actual fan of the franchise. If you say you only like games from 3 decades ago or more and haven't even played any past 10 you shouldn't even be talking about the series.
Do you have any idea how unhinged you sound right now? You literally worship merchants and actors.

>>713672945
ATB is not turn based.

>>713634562 (OP)
they admit ff14 is dying too

>>713635876
xv sold better than all of those and is higher rated than XVI and xiv on psn and steam

The fact the most common "critique" of Rebirth is there's too much game in the game really shows what kind of ADHD faggots don't like it.

>>713679594
Many of the issues in the last two expansions were present in all the previous expansions. The fans just kept denying it. What changed this time is all those issues were given an avatar through one character. And shoved down their throat so much they couldn't ignore it. Though I already noticed it with Hildibrand and the entire ARR filler events. But the fans overlooked it because he was "funny."

>>713679759
>there's too much game
No, too much filler/cutscenes. Also, half the people who played Remake didn't even try Rebirth. Because they hated the change in story and designs. This is the big thing you people ignore. Rebirth was already doomed to sell half as much or even less than Remake, because people didn't like Remake.

>>713634792
I love how every fucking retard likes ignoring this one fact lol

>>713679886
>Also, half the people who played Remake didn't even try Rebirth. Because they hated the change in story and designs.

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sony-confirms-ps5-has-more-monthly-players-than-ps4-for-the-first-time/

Why are you like this?

>>713679759
>too much game in the game
That criticism among some others made it clear that discussion about 7 Rebirth on /v/ wouldn't really be worth participating in.

>>713679515
redundant distinction.

>>713679886
>too much filler/cutscenes.
If you want the original experience, play it. I enjoy all the new content because I like the FF7 universe and just diving in it and spending more time with the characters/in the world is fun.

>>713640262
>you forgot 7r2 and 3 in there also sucking shit through a straw
>there are actually people who are disliking 7R
it's suprising yeah, because Rebirth does so much things very well on what should be a final fantasy. It mixes turnbased with action perfectly. I do agree with the pacing of the story, but only because we already know what will happen if it would be completely new no one would bait an eye. READY FOR PART 3

>>713668517
I don't remember FFXIII being any similar to E33.

>>713644716
xv ran better than 7r or 16 on ps5 or 13 on ps3 or 10 on ps2 or 7/8/9 on ps1
has more content at launch than any of them had too
only took 3.5 years to actually make unlike ff7r which had 15 years of hype and 7 yeats actually to make and ff16 took 9 years to actually make and tanked at launch
xv kept on selling long after launch
xvi died immediately

>>713665541
xv was so successful its dlc all released in 2017 and it did so well it got a bonus 2nd round of unplanned dlc 2 years after release being made entirely due to fan demand, and then only from that bonus round of dlc does the non canon alternate timeline dlc get cancelled because tabata left SE in September 2018 and no work had even started on the bonus non canon dlc yet so only ep ardyn got made which was the only bonus dlc they were going to make due to fan demand from the player survey to begin with in 2018

ff7 has multiple cancelled spinoffs and shit
ff tactics 2 was cancelled
ff12 2 was cancelled
ff13 dlc was cancelled
ff7r ps4 dlc was cancelled
multiple kh games were cancelled

gta5 has 8 cancelled story dlc, guess that game flopped

>>713679985
...what does this article have to do with Rebirth? Which Square themselves admit underperformed. And won't release the actual numbers for.

>>713634562 (OP)
No because that’s not what they said and it wasn’t even an investor that asked but a reporter

>>713680398
You're a fucking retard, we knew this, but thanks for providing more proof.

REMAKE = PS4 GAME
REBIRTH = PS5 GAME
UNTIL LITERALLY THIS MONTH PS4 HAD MORE MONTHLY USERS THAN PS5 THEREFORE CLAIMING PEOPLE NOT LIKING REMAKE IS WHY REBIRTH SOLD LESS IS FUCKING STUPID

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT NEED EXPLAINING, THAT LITERAL 6-YEAR-OLDS WOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND?

Don't forget to say I'm mad and ignore the point.

>>713676462
>>713677125
Leading up to XVs release SE higher ups told tabata they forcast XV would have low lifetime sales of 5m total by the end of its life and said they didn't think it will sell because it's not command based

xv then had the biggest launch in the entire franchise doing 5m day 1 and 6m in 1 month, and has sold better since launch to this day than any other game in the franchise time aligned
it sold 10m 2x faster than it took ff7 and 3x faster than ff10 took
it is still the fastest selling FF and is currently the 3rd highest selling FF total and has sold the most at the highest price point out of any ff
xv is also currently the highest selling FF on steam too

SE higher ups had XV sales forecast as 5m lifetime because it wasn't command based (which is what turn based is called in japan), it shattered SEs expectations by selling over its lifetime forecast in its first month, and then some, and its now over 10m which it hit over 3 years ago and would be nearly 12m by now based on its sales trajectory and sales pace.

>>713679515
true atb isn't turn based
atb is command based
and turn based are also command based
thats why japan calls turn based games and atb based games command based

>>713680609
nta, but you are very clearly mad. you however are also very clearly correct.

>>713636531
>stonk go up
>therefore company is doing well
very smooth-brained.

>>713680609
I still don't get your point. You're trying to say PS5 having less players means Rebirth had a handicap? But you're also saying PS5 has finally surpassed PS4 numbers. So then...what's your point? That Rebirth should be doing better than Remake now? Or it needs to catch up.

In either case, it hasn't sold as well. By Square's own statements. Also, cruise control for cool.

>>713636531
>They make more turn-based games than any other publisher on the planet.
Not when companies like Atlus, NI and Falcom exist. Not to mention some porn publishers who shit out like 20 a month.
>obviously I'm only counting AAA games
Most of SquareEnix's turn based games are medium or low budget ones. That's kind of the problem.

>>713634562 (OP)
If they’re going to do ATB they may as well do a system like FF12

>several turn-based RPGs release in the past few years that sell and excel expectations, both of old IPs as well as new ones altogether, and everyone starts turning their heads
>the action RPGs are marketed horribly, limited in audience exposure, and are held questionably by fans of on-going series that are mixed about growing action in franchise that didn't used to be about it
>the "RPGs" that are actually selling really well besides the turn-based titles are all clones of other games entirely such as Soulslikes
There's an audience for turn-based gameplay, I'm not gonna say action RPGs are on their way out but companies got too complacent with churning them out and it turns out years of action push make people want something different again.

>>713680985
Other than BG3 and E33 (which I personally argue is more of a showcase of the price not being greedy as fuck) which turn-based rpgs have exceeded expectations?

>>713681118
Bravely Default 2 and Octopath 2 both sold far more than expected

>>713636531
SE stock recovered from dq3 hd2d profits and a Singapore investment firm investing in SE and buying 10% of its shares in the last few months which increased its valuation and signalled to shareholders theres value to be had

>>713681189
I thought BD2 sold like shit. I boughted it and I've never seen anyone talk about it since it came out.

>>713681189
Both are on Switch. Not trying to dismiss the sales of either game but being on the Switch is essential for the Japanese to buy shit, I could be completely wrong, but that's my initial assumption at least.

>>713681189
Octopath 2 sold worst than the original. It took it 6 months to sell what the original did in 3 weeks. It probably sold a little over a million copies.

>>713634562 (OP)
>We want the new Dragon Quest to be turn based
Wait, ARE THEY REALLY MAKING THE NEW DQ FUCKING REAL-TIME?

The entire fucking point of that series in Japan is that it is the same unchanged formula, it's supposed to be a familiar comfort.
What the FUCK are they thinking?
That's a great way to get KyoAni'd.

>>713680871
110 million PS4s sold by the time Remake came out, PS5 is at 78 million now. I don't see why you're struggling with this.

>>713681335
no

>>713680795
pls be nice to aerith anon

>>713681335
DQ12 literally advertised itself from the start as a big shake up for the series and was supposedly going to be trying something "new" with the combat system. But judging by how we've had extreme radio silence on that game while they push out the DQ remakes, my guess is mismanagement and development hell ensued; the idea that they're so ready to liberally wind things back to turn-based in their phrasing inclines they lost confidence in the ambition.

>>713681334
SE said octopath 2 sold 1m back in feb 2023

btw in NPD ranking forspoken was above octopath 2 indicating forspoken sold more than octopath 2 and also sold 1m

>>713673585
I would have liked her more if she didn't turn out to be almost as useless as Lunafreya.

>>713681335
See >>713671131
It was confirmed that the interviewer made the shit up to get clicks. Horii just said he wanted to try new things within the already established combat engine. But never elaborated. So the crack "journalists" came up with their own elaborations.

>>713681428
>I don't see why you're struggling with this.
Because your points have nothing to do with FF Rebirth sales. And it doesn't even make sense, unless you're saying we need to give Rebirth a handicap because it's on a system that sold less units. But that still means Rebirth sold less...

>>713681559
lunafreya pushes xv story along from afar
jill does literally nothing

>>713681440
them fucking up DQ would be worse than any FF7R, 16 or Dawntrail could ever hope to be

>>713681654
>Also, half the people who played Remake didn't even try Rebirth. Because they hated the change in story and designs. This is the big thing you people ignore.

So, why are you like this? You never answered.

>>713676471
>The game feels very unfinished and unpolished after you defeat the paintress.
this only applies to the story. exploration & gameplay wise it's like the keys to the world unlock. act 3 is the most bonkers entertaining section of the game where you can experiment with a multitude of builds to smash through the equally broken bosses. many secrets & areas to discover in the sky as well.

>>713681495
https://x.com/OCTOPATH_PR/status/1666370725199118339

That was on June. About 6 months ago Square said the series sold 5 million copies so it we know the original sold over 3 million copies and the sequel one million copies 5 months after release. So it probably sold under 2 million copies.

>>713676471
>The game feels very unfinished and unpolished after you defeat the paintress.
What? How? There's a shitload of side content that becomes available at that point. Beating the Paintress is the equivalent of disc 3 of FF7.

>>713634641
Why did it fail so much then?

You know, people would have liked if Dissidia Opera Omnia was an actual console and pc game and not a fucking gacha game. Would have satisfied the turn base fans.

>>713682039
Rebirth didn't fail because of gameplay, it failed because millions of people are asshurt about cutscenes in Remake.

>>713681118
i dunno about exceeded expectations, but
>SMTV and Nocturne did decently well rather than merely niche; Persona 3 Reload sold well as could be expected
>the Yakuza shift to turn-based JRPGs are going surprisingly well for a series so known for being beat-em-ups
>stuff like Sea of Stars didn't do amazing but had a lot of mainstream attention
>Dragon Quest 11, especially with the Switch release, is the best-selling game in the west of the series as of 4 years ago, and that number probably has only gone up
people really shouldn't want turn-based to die like it's some outdated thing. in extreme cases you could get some shit like what happened to survival horror as everyone abandoned it for action horror for a while, until it blew its load too hard and everyone yearned for survival again.

>>713681771
>So, why are you like this?
Why are you like this? Who are you? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? What is love? BABY DON'T HURT ME!

Not buying anothet FF until it's turnbased. Cope actiontroons.

>>713682084
they're not getting a dollar till i get an actual remaster of ff7

Ever since sakaguchi left, FF has gone down in quality

>>713681118
Dragon Quest 11 sold 8 million copies, selling more than FF7 Remake and FF16. No matter how people want to spin it, SquareEnix was not expecting that.

>>713682189
Just play the original, it's still great. A remaster can only ruin it.

>>713682223
i agree. so i'm gonna be holding onto my dollars for awhile

>>713681863
>First game sells about 6m copies
>Makes a game where is considered superior to the first in almost everything
>Sequel sells under 2m copies.

How?

>>713634641
Fpbp Rebirth's combat absolutely mogs e33 and ff16

Lmfao stellar blade living rent free in that male feminist head a year later

It's funny how they want to keep making their FF games more actiony when no action game other than DMC back in 2019 even sells anymore. Action games require the player to actually get good on hard difficulties (see Ninja Gaiden) and that filters people.

>>713682104
>people really shouldn't want turn-based to die like it's some outdated thing.
I see the opposite more than anything, turn-based fags seem to hate action gameplay, they actively want action games to fail.

>>713682215
Quick look has 5m of those sales in Japan on the 3ds, Switch and PS4, so again, I think it's Tendie boost. Not a bad thing, just being on Switch in particular is the best way for JRPGS of any kind to sell.

>>713682189
Honestly you're better off just modding the PC version. And even that has caveats between weird random issues, and too many "HD upscale" mods. I won't throw the remake trilogy totally under the bus, people are hyperbolic about too much stuff, but I can fully get why many people just are not on-board with the writers trying to take over everything.

>>713682039
Most good games fail. People are retards.

>>713634641
>>713634778
Damn 2 based and truthpilled comments to start the thread

>>713682395
>turn-based fags seem to hate action gameplay, they actively want action games to fail.
because every other day there's yet another "WHO ACTUALLY /LIKES/ TURN-BASED GAMES" shitposting to drown out the well with people trying to bait, so posters around here push back and the whole thing looks shitty.

>>713682395
get your staggerslop out of my four dudes in a row

>>713682369
E33 won

>>713634562 (OP)
Anybody who thinks E33 has better combat than Rebirth is an actual fucking retard

>>713682460
>because every other day there's yet another "WHO ACTUALLY /LIKES/ TURN-BASED GAMES"
TBF as anons have posted, there are plenty of great new turn-based games, it's just they aren't Final Fantasy, which means they don't count for some reason. So it's retards baiting retards.

>>713682515
See this shit annoys me, if they called it poise and hid it, or stamina and hid it, you cocksuckers wouldn't bat an eyelid.

>>713682395
It probably sold even more on Steam/PC. But SquareEnix never reveals those numbers or adds them to their total. So if Dragon Quest 11 sold 8 million on just consoles and they're not even counting PC sales, it could be much higher. Same with FF7 Remake/Rebirth. But statements from SE execs say the PC sales weren't up to their expectations either. Likely because they fucked themselves with the exclusivity deal.

>>713682754
i don't want rollslop either.

this is all i need

>>713682183
there's only 4 turn based ff

>>713634562 (OP)
>Did Square Enix literally admit to having failed with FFXVI and FFVII Remakes?
No

>>713682531
Nobody actually likes e33

>>713682215
dq11 is on like 6 platforms and had a rerelease on switch that added in voice acting and orchestral music and am entire new chunk of the game

also they count the 3ds version into its sales despite dq11 on ps4/pc and the switch revised version being entirely different

it would be like counting pocket edition xv as xv sales which SE doesn't do

>>713682958
Contrarian take

>>713682992
And FF7 remake got the same treatment. Being ported to multiple consoles and PC. They just won't release any new sales data for it after it hit 6 million units sold. It's possible it sold more than DQ11. But they won't release an official number like they recently did with DQ11.

>>713682791
dq11 is 8.5m currently

it sold 1.8m on 3ds in japan and 1.4m on ps4 in japan in its launch year
when it came to the west it did only 400k across steam and ps4 combined in its launch year and its sales were 3.5m before the switch version got announced
then years later the switch version happened and that sold over 2m in japan and a few hundred thou in the west and it hit around 6m
and with any updated ps4, 3ds and switch sales from then to now it added another 2m combined

>>713683173
ff7r is 7m

SE just put out a press release 2 weeks ago that updated ff7 sales as 15.1m worldwide now, it was 14.4m in November 2023
and in the same press release they say ff7r is at "over 7 million" and it hit 7m in September 2023, so that means 7r is at a number over 7m but not a high enough new milestone to say what, and would ne below 8m currently

>>713683362
Well there we go. 7 vs 8, so far.

>>713683925
dq11 has also been out 3 years longer

>>713684053
On the flipside, 7Remake came out in a perfect time for a COVID boost, which Rebirth didn't benefit from.

>>713634641
Fuck you ADHD zoomnigger.

>>713634641
Its Staggerslop, 16 had the better real time combat but the problem is that shit being divorced from what FF combat is supposed to be

>>713684125
Not on pc though

Exp33 is the best thing that happened to SE though, now they know they can get away with minimaps and making a shorter game
It's like when people shat on re6 and praised PT only for Capcom to copy PT and release re7

>>713635571
>source: CBR
holy shit kys fag

>>713680225
>ff12 2 was cancelled
You mean Fortress? I'm convinced FF16 is them using the FF12 Fortress spin off remains, they worked in this basch spin off for years and he also had the aging thing

>>713682385
phonefaggots like you are as gay as "male feminists"

>>713684125
>7Remake came out in a perfect time for a COVID boost
Square actually used covid as an excuse for why it didn't sell as well as they expected in the first month. Despite Doom and Animal Crossing breaking records in the same month.

It was the exclusivity deal that caused it. As well as some people not liking the changes in story and character designs. The most talked about topic with the remake right before it came out was Tifa and Aeris gettin "nerfed" in their designs (tits and ass respectively). And as silly as it sounds, a lot of Japanese people skipped the game just because of that.

>Want to enjoy games
>They're not made for players today
>They're made for shareholders. Stock. Political agendas.
>Somehow, we have reached the gayest time to play games in just a few decades.

>>713684478
Looks like I stuck a nerve

>>713684316
Re7 sucks

>>713684505
Aerith also had a huge head, they fixed that on Rebirth
That said it should have been ONE game and multiplatform, you can tell normies can't deal with multiple long games, it's why Xenoblade 3 and last yakuzas made less money (even Sega begged people to start with Yakuza 6 is totally newfags welcome)
What FF did good is to make each ff about different worlds, they only shared a few things like Cid, moguria, chocobos and that's it, you don't need to play ff3 and 4 to enjoy 5 for example
>FF16
Ps5 shit and no party. Could have got away by just being a trip of fellow eons interacting and fighting together

That said I think rebirth combat is good but it should be used for star ocean at least.
But again 7r is in a weird situation, when part 3 is announced people will have to force themselves to play previous 2 games, or some of them will just straight jump to part 3.
Maybe they should have pulled a x-2 and make 7R just part 2

>>713684505
I mean when you do advertising in Japan specifically asking people on the street "Hey have you played Final Fantasy VII before? No? Are you interested in finally getting into it with the Remake?" and then the game goes at length to give new players the middle finger in favor of bizarre plot additions/changes and a ton of references to the Compilation stuff or the original game, yeah the JP word of mouth is gonna be a bit sour at launch. They got hoodwinked with somewhat false advertising.

>>713684125
dq11 got switch covid sales boost since that version released 6 months before ff7r did, and dq11s came to ps4 xb1 and pc in late 2020 too

>>713684435
fortress was by a western studio not made by SE internally

>>713684505
Maybe. I still see anti-woke accounts on X sporadically shitting on FF7R because of it.

>>713684714
They wanted oldfags to find something new but it backfired. Just like Somnium 2 ruined certain character for those who played the new game because they wanted it to be welcome to new fans.

In this situation you either just stay classic or go full schizo. Right now it's obvious 7r is following the same plot and Aerith won't survive , the whole time jannies was to bait Aerithfags too

>>713684762
And? FF7R was also made by a different company till SE brought it back inside

>S-E
Nah just some shareholder who thinks E33 sold exclusively because it had a turn based system. FF and DQ are doomed to be stuck with their tropes and 30 year old franchise identity issues.

>>713684923
E33 sold mostly because of the aesthetic, turn based weeb games don't fly that much these days

I know luminous is a fucking pain in the ass but damn it looked beautiful. If only it wasn't so fucking complicated

>>713684574
This is why you play medium and low budget games. The lower the budget, the less shareholders/hedge funds/exectives are attached. And many "medium" budget games these days are at or beyond the budget that SNES-PS2 games got back in the day. There's a reason some medium budget games are surpassing AAA games.

>>713684156
Have you even played these games?
>FF7R's combat
>tactical
>strategic
>options
>builds
>party composition
>FF16's combat
>mash buttons
>spam
>win
>completely and absolutely 100% brainless

>>713685283
The problem is once your game becomes popular the sequel is pozzed
Remember Kingdom Come? Sequel made the protagonists gay

>>713684984
The aesthetic is the worst part of the game.

>>713684810
>They wanted oldfags to find something new but it backfired.
I think Nomura, Nojima and Kitase literally just can't help themselves and have to "change for the sake of change" on every project they work on. The reason is, they've said this very thing in interviews. Both for 7 Remake and other games. They feel like they have to change stuff and not just do the same story/characters with enhanced graphics.

The irony is that the lower budget FF remakes have the opposite problem. They didn't change the things that should have been changed and just changed the graphics/music in places.

>>713685283
They also have more freedom with aesthetics. Just look at that leyley incest game, both characters look cute, if it was incest between two nogs nobody would give a shit.
Capcom sadly listens to (((consulting))) companies which is why every woman wears exactly the same clothes and have no boobs (not even medium or small ones, just straight no boobs)

>>713685339
I hear ya. But it's still better to get one good new medium budget game every once in a while. Rather than just keep supporting the AAA machine churning out the same crap.

>>713685461
Pretty much. Though I can see them struggling with the remake because they also wanted to make the map bigger. My guess is part 3 will be way easier to make since they already made the map.

>>713685579
13 sentinels is so cucked thanks to retarded boomers ignoring pc

>>713634562 (OP)
>single-handedly save vidya and anime

>>713634562 (OP)
>still no actual source of them saying anything

>>713684984
Yeah, people want kino graphics and more human characters, it's why people still remember and talk about FF while the rest of jrpgs are mostly forgotten

>>713635876
14 got good, but is shit again because of Squeernix's classic mismanagement, putting the MMO team on other games for whatever reason.

>>713668517
FFXIII combat was (ATB btw) the least of it's problems. I think it was excellent in XIII-1. It's everything else besides the graphics and music that sucked. No overworld, no npcs, no towns, no cities, no sidequests besides that one area(which is empty anyway), there aren't even any shops or shopkeepers. Turns out people don't play RPGs to walk forward and do battles for 40 hours.
Then they fixed everything in XIII-2 except that they made the combat completely shit. It was just too easy.
By that point people were pissed enough to ignore Lighting Returns which is a good game, but at that point the combat doesn't even resemble the older games and there were no party members anymore.

>>713634562 (OP)
I wonder how SaGa producers feel when people pretend their turn based games don't exist kek
Even DQ2HD is adding a new member and SaGa producers added content in saga Frontier 2 and are working in like 3 more turn based games, not to mention SE porting Fantasian and Sakaguchi working in the sequel (also turn based)

I want Rebirth defenders to defend THIS.

>>713685865
According to the Persona leaker SE is working on
>9R
>FFXR
>FFX-3
>FF17
Also tactics and ff7r part 3

>>713685329
Both have dodge and parry that reduces damage taken by 100%. If you can survive anything boss throws at you then your strategy doesn't matter so long as you reduce their HP.

>>713676462
>Final Fantasy hasn’t been good in 25 years
10-2, 12 (both OG and IZJS), Lighting Returns, 14 before the last expansion prove you wrong.

>>713685974
It does a great job at what it's intended to do, confuse and create questions.

I'm still trying to process the time jannies. I mean, what the he'll were they thinking?
And that guy who just shows up on a bike then fucking leaves. WTF?

>>713685975
>FFX-3

ffs

>>713686093
13-2 and LR are good

>>713686159
>Time jannies
New ending bait
>Motorbike guy
I don't think he is bad, they obviously wanted to test motorbike fight levels, probably because they also intended to make AC game version like they said they wanted to do ages ago

>>713685974
This is not a FF problem only, new gen of nips are too sensitive and can't have a female character brutally killed or evil

>>713686142
>It does a great job at what it's intended to do, confuse and create questions.
Why did it need to do this? What was wrong with the original scene, which did none of these things?

>>713634562 (OP)
The main guy behing Expedition 33 says that FF8 is his favorite game.

Now, when SquareEnix sees what E33 did, in terms of sales and overall reception, do you think they are proud because their FF8 was an inspiration, or do you think they're furious?
The similar question would apply to Ubisoft as well, since those are their former employees.

Also...
>>713634641
Best to worst ranking from dat one thread.

>>713685918
Turnbasedfags are posers

>>713686315
>Why did it need to do this?
So people who played the OG have new stuff to look forward to? So there's new stuff to speculate about? So Cloud is even more fucked up in the head, making the build up to crater and the following Lifestream event even better?

>What was wrong with the original scene, which did none of these things?
Nothing, it's still there?

>>713686440
I think they are relieved because mapamundi and way shorter games are cheaper to make
They can make another re7/pt situation

Remember that FF started to fail when they remove furry characters from your parties

>>713686502
>So people who played the OG have new stuff to look forward to? So there's new stuff to speculate about? So Cloud is even more fucked up in the head, making the build up to crater and the following Lifestream event even better?
Why is any of this necessary when the OG fans just wanted to the same story and characters in better graphics and presentation?

>Muh speculation
You mean the retarded "BRO MULTIVERSES N SHIT" garbage theorycrafting that's consumed narrative discussion of the remakes after Rebirth? Who the fuck asked for this?

In reality they should just reboot the whole franchise. Otherwise they won't bring any new players to franchise.

>>713687486
Watch them call the games
>Final Fantasy The First
>Final Fantasy The Second

>>713687003
>Bro why did they do new shit instead of just regurgitating the same stuff but sparkly?
What a model consoomer you are.

>>713645635
Shame the fucking sales numbers don't agree with you. go back to fortnite and stay there retard.

>>713687673
Go play cod and Fortnite then

>>713686502
>So people who played the OG have new stuff to look forward to? So there's new stuff to speculate about? So Cloud is even more fucked up in the head, making the build up to crater and the following Lifestream event even better?
None of this actually makes it "better". Rebirth spells out the truth of Cloud's fuckery so completely and utterly blatantly and out in the open that the entire surprise factor of how deep the rabbit hole goes is out the window. Crisis Core existing, and being remade to hype up Rebirth, doesn't help, but shit is so fucked for no particularly good reason. You got Meteor being shown well ahead of time because Sephiroth wants to fuck with Cloud, you got the Arbiters who have the subtlety of a sledgehammer, you got Tifa being dipped into the Lifestream super early which partially undermines the Mideel fall and sets up the plot elements of what that all works towards in the first place, and the list goes on. And don't even get me started on how much is derived from an old PS2 game no one can play without emulation, or random Japan-only novellas.

There's decent new stuff, like expanding the lore around Junon and Kalm for the old republic war, cool, and the various groups holding out in resisting Shinra while others are just accepting their lot in life. I think most of the non-plot interactions between the main party are great most of the time, too. But no fan was actually asking for Kitase and Nojima to drop their autistic spaghetti all over the script and randomly fuck with everything just to fuck with it. You don't need to make things retarded just to make them interesting.

>>713634562 (OP)
Now imagine they actually took FFXVI combat and remade Dirge of Cerberus.

>>713634562 (OP)
>plot that goes nowhere
>buried in ridiculous shitty mini tasks no one gives a shit about
I'm not even gonna address the big elephant here, fucking square enix thinks average kid has the attention span long enough to sit through this shit. out of touch cocksuckers deserved it, fucking retard devs

>>713634562 (OP)
>investor said

>>713634562 (OP)
I actually read the article and no they didn't say that.


Have you ever considered that moreso than the Jews it's your own inability to read that has lead to the current sad state of your life?

>>713687486
Every ff game features a new story. They just need to stop making remakes and weird experiments and give us 17 and 18 with new stories
But reality is jrpgs are too expensive and hard to make. Just look at atlus struggling with Persona 4 Remake and Persona 6 being so late. And these are visual novels mostly, not to mention Yakuza recycling the same world and models most of the time.
While I think Persona resonates better than FF with zoomers, you also need to consider the timing. 16-20 years old zoomers will enjoy Persona, but would 38 yo zoomers enjoy Persona 7 where they call characters over 25 old? Zoomers are too fragile about age.
>But metaphor
7 years development and didn't sell as much, already forgotten
>But the budget of other turn based games
Exactly. So you are saying FF should be pixelated or cheap looking. But by doing so you kill the discussion around those games like all the other jrpgs.
>Expedition 33
Also hired tons of Koreans and had the help of a millionaire dad

Mind you I'm not shitting on these games, I'm just warning you that jrpgs are a risky genre, and are being eaten alive by gachas now.
FF is too easy to fix without Squarenix retardation though (no ps5 only and ignoring the party system, no multiple games)

>>713687830
>Rebirth spells out the truth of Cloud's fuckery so completely and utterly blatantly and out in the open that the entire surprise factor of how deep the rabbit hole goes is out the window.
I disagree, I think most people who haven't played the OG would assume Cloud is in fact a Soldier First Class and the fact he hasn't gone black robe like Roche would make them assume that he is, in fact, just better, as opposed to the real reason why he's not gone black robe. Meteor I get, but that's more so to try and bait the party to fight the Arbiters, I think. Tifa taking her dip undermining Mideel a bit I kinda get, but I'd argue Sephiroth actively trying to kill her is better for the story and especially for the payoffs in part 3.

I don't agree with Cid not smoking, I'm hoping he starts in part 3 due to Aerith dying, I'm worried the Wutai war will amount to nothing, that's easily the biggest change they've made. Like everything else, off the top of my head, is just expansion of events/stuff, Wutai war is completely different.

Well, Wutai, Zack and Cloud being a river in Africa over Aerith.

>>713685974
They did it shittily but it's supposed to show Cloud having a schizo moment and thinking he saved her

>>713688387
My assumption is that the Wutai War is probably going to replace the stupid Huge Materia filler. You'll still probably revisit some old areas, get a submarine and shit (if it isn't cutscene/minigame-only) to hit up the Gelnika, but in general that entire arc's purpose was pretty much to get Cid his space moment and redemption towards Shera, and the rest of it may as well have been worthless.
If we legitimately just have some excess filler arc of the Wutai War messing with the plot and then still get the Huge Materia, that's when you know the third game is just absolutely buying as much time as humanly possible to stretch the game out so it's a fuller length.

>>713688168
>But reality is jrpgs are too expensive and hard to make
They are nothing compared to character action games. You just dump resources into the art crew (music, graphics, story) and I guess gameplay (which is the hardest thing to do) is an afterthought in both western and eastern RPGs that are not dungeon crawlers.

>>713634562 (OP)
They shat on turn based for the past 10 years, every game they made was action. These people are retarded. They even remade ff7 with action combat.

>>713688168
I'd say the number is the bigger problem. It needs a complete reboot because it fails to bring new people to franchise. Old fags can't keep this franchise relevant forever.

>>713634562 (OP)
If you want to know how retarded sQuare Enix are, they are still using the pride shit when every other company dropped it.

>>713688876
Fuck numbers entirely. Make the formal announcement that Final Fantasy is abandoning the numbered scheme because of false expectations, and give games proper full titles. It may be easy to say, "Final Fantasy Seven" or "Final Fantasy Thirteen", but we've reached the point where we REALLY shouldn't need a goddamn FF17 or beyond.

>>713634562 (OP)
As expected, prepare for the next 4 FF games to have parry slop gameplay.

>>713688929
How come they're always late to the party?

>>713688996
>he doesn't know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUOOtG25OM

>>713686142
It's funny that this sounds like a falseflag intended to make 7R fans look like retards, but it's your honest opinion, because 7R fans really are this retarded.

>>713689082
JESUS

>>713688759
Action games are like 15 hours long and linear mostly.

>>713689065
>Nips entering the pozzed game just when people are fatigued
>Koreans and chinks meanwhile embrace weeb

>>713689082
I unironically forgot how fun this fucking game is

>>713651809
It wasn't tied to Sony liar.

>>713690626
Most people have already forgotten about it entirely, so don't feel bad

>>713682914
That sounds like a ripe oppurtunity then.

Rebirth has better combat than Expedition.
>b-but e33 has parrying
so does Rebirth.

>>713691225
I only played through it twice. I think it's time for a third

>>713691495
You played through it twice but forgot it's fun?

>>713651809
It's a Physical game though

>>713679985
>>713681771
Is that a hecking Digital Circus reference?

>>713634778
>If Square Enix developed and released E33 all things the same it would have been shit on by everyone
Yep, because people would have expected more polishing

>>713688992
FF is like anthology horror stories only with fantasy.
Though should they do it like pokemon then?
>Pokemon red/green
>Pokemon a/z
>Pokemon penis/vagina

>>713635571
>One year later after being Sony exclusive
>Lets ignore is a story intensive story and after one year everyone saw that the story was uttershit
>And lets ignore that the hype die after a week of the initial release
Gezz Batman I wonder

>>713635571
>1 year later
>No party
The game could have been a 6/10 that people would have enjoyed it as long as you control a party (turn based, action or in karts) and could join the discussion day one with multiplatform

>>713691345
No it does not. Rebirth combat is inferior to E33 because past a certain point the only way to progress towards 100% the game is through playing it like an action game.

>>713692472
Nta but the opposite, in hard mode you really need to think about your materials

>>713692525
Materias*

Fantasian would have been more popular by having a better mc design instead of copying Nier as well as designs imitating PS1 charms

>>713692525
No. Your best defensive option is learn dodge/parry timing. Your best offensive option is using -aga spell the enemy is weak against. Everything else is a waste of time.

>>713651123
Would’ve made more sense to focus on travelling and doing missions as slave Clive. Doesn’t make sense to have a politics oriented storyline in an ARPG.

>>713634641
based af

>>713692701
>Fantasian would have been more popular
lolno

>>713692807
You didn't play it

>>713693298
No I co teraz wieśniaku? Głupio ci sie zrobiło co?

>>713634641
piss off forever.

>>713634641
/thread

>>713671178
/thread

>>713691252
True

>>713634641
>The cope.
>The samefaggism.
>The tears.
I live for this, dudes.Thank you very much for the laughs, SEbros.

>>713635095
Great, now show us the stocks before the Magic collab.

>>713668517
>The turn-based fanbase is the most pretentious, self-entitled and ignorant fanbase in gaming.
Now write that again without crying. You can do it!

>>713668517
Dont you think that 15 years is a pretty huge detail that changes everything in the equation?

>>713686315
>What was wrong with the original scene
cloud standing there and watching as sephiroth cucks him.

>>713668517
This
Turn based fags spend more time talking about the mmo tranny than about all those jrpgs

>>713670504
Nobody cares about DQ
If I make a dq thread no one of you will participate
DQ is like bread, everyone likes it so it's why people just say it's good and move on

>>713685381
>>713684984
Yeah the UE5 store shit gets old pretty quickly. The only visually unique stuff is all the enemies and the overworld.

>>713657967
having jackshit but remasters and mobileslop coming out the next 3 years is indeed very "interesting"

>>713658457
>If it doesn't have the name, they ignore it, like what happened with Bravely and DQ.
Yes.
>I doubt they actually play any FF
Played every mainline, XIII-2 and Tactics.

>>713667692
Ironic. He could wrangle others... but not himself.

>>713634641
No, action slop is outdated and needs to go, turn based is the future grandpa.

>>713692472
not really. it only plays like an action game during the beginning.