These shit are way simpler than chess. Will they ever evolve beyond mindlessly spamming Fire attacks on Grass monsters? Tactical turn-based games like X-COM and Jagged Alliance already demonstrated that turn based games can have gameplay depth, but I guess the average japs will get filtered hard by anything beyond selecting attack from the menu.

>>713658348 (OP)
There is a middle ground between mindless FF button mashing and Wiz8's 30 minute trash encounters encounters but the majority JRPG fans don't want that. Normal people hate having to think when they play video games

They like consistency retard. It works and keeps the series identity intact.

>>713658348 (OP)
Lmao seething westoid. This is literally the best combat system in the world. No one cares about xcom

>>713658348 (OP)
press x to awesome over and over will never get old to japs

>>713658348 (OP)
>Tactical turn-based games like X-COM and Jagged Alliance
there's a reason they are dead and no, nu x-com doesnt count because its fucking baby mode

KINO

>>713659413
>nu x-com
Nu XCOM fucking rocks and it's proven by all the successful clones.

>>713659567
it doesn't have any more depth than average turn-based slop

>>713658348 (OP)
you didnt beat the game

>>713658348 (OP)
>Will they ever evolve beyond mindlessly spamming Fire attacks on Grass monsters?
pic not related
in fact people having this view is the single biggest reason why they get filtered by SMT Nocturne

is it just me or are there way more ESLs on this board then there used to be?

>>713659805

>>713659805
indians got access to the internet

>>713658348 (OP)
reminder

>>713659763
>exploit weaknesses
>get free turns
>delay enemy turns
Not even Pokemon is this braindead.

>>713659805
The downtime leaks pointed out 90% of the posts of any given board are jeets and bots, that number likely increased even further by now.

>>713658348 (OP)
>>713659763
https://youtu.be/OIK1lWPpnjA?si=yarMgddnb1v6YZlb

>>713660035
so you are only at the beginning of the game then?

>>713659805
look at your calendar anon

>>713660035
isnt that exactly what you do in pokemon

>>713660079
>challenge Magikarp LV50 with a Pikachu LV3
>Pikachu got Tackle'd and instantly fainted
>OMG this game is so challenging and hardcore, sis! :o

>>713660441
That's just what the game is like when you're not playing on the game journo difficulty and overgrinding.
If the slightest hint in lethality in your games makes you think it's some CBT challenge run, then you're probably best off sticking to your pokemons.

>>713660035
nigger , 60 % of enemies can wipe your party out just if they get to play first

>>713661260
Sounds riveting. I love being forced to mindlessly grind for hours on end in the same copy paste dungeons with layouts that make no sense. And it comes with a free, gay ass anime art style and and an insipid FAGGOT protagonist as well? Sign me up, king!

>>713658348 (OP)
Still irrefutable. Japanese developers are incapable of making good strategy/tactical turn-based games.

>>713658348 (OP)
which bad news dropped again or are about to drop for kikes/negrophiles in 6-12 hours that there's another wave of antijapan propaganda spam?

>>713661591
>I love being forced to mindlessly grind for hours
Or you can learn to play the fucking game

>>713660441
Nipnogs are literally shitting and pissing in their pants from getting raped by gobbos because they can't grind in BG3.

>>713658348 (OP)
https://youtu.be/k3eD4yxwRL4?t=290

>posts disingenuous webm
every time

>>713658348 (OP)
>xcom
Fire Emblem is way better at that

>>713661774
Did you forget what genre this thread was about?

FE3H is like a babby's first strategy game compared to XCOM2 on Legend Iron Man. Berserker Queen is a nightmare.

>>713662225
>B-BUT POKEMONS
>B-BUT FINAL FANTASY
not my problem faggot

>>713662225
You can play through Nocturne without having to grind dimwit. Go be a cheeky fucker and say to just avoid encounters because that's all you got.

I like board/card games but I don't care for JRPGs
I wonder whats going on with my brain where I can enjoy a systemic turn based game outside of videogames but not in videogames

>>713662567
>I wonder whats going on with my brain where I can enjoy a systemic turn based game outside of videogames but not in videogames
maybe the fact that you actually move shit and its 3d instead of just staring at ur monitor

>>713662662
Maybe.
I do play with the fake digital card games online when the situation asks for it.
I think I value how a board game just goes "here's the game, there's no bullshit plot just a vague sense of a setting at beast or just cubes as people, roll dice for 1 hour, two if it's your first time"

>>713658348 (OP)
You just need to play better games anon.

Could be worse.
Imagine the retards that go the legitimate route to play competitive pokemon, hundreds of hours wasted breeding and grinding only for the team to be used on a vanilla excel spreadsheeet battle.

>>713662562
>You can play through Nocturne without having to grind dimwit
I mean I guess. I could also play it with my cock as well if I wanted to make it harder on myself but that works too.

>>713663667

>>713663667
grinding actively makes the game less fun though. your choice is either to waste time grinding and make the game less fun or not do that and have more fun

>>713662225
JRPGs tend to be the least grindy RPGs out there.

>>713658348 (OP)
Turnbased has already been solved both in Japan by SRPGs or DRPGs and in the west by CRPGs and Tactics games. JRPGs are just dogshit and continue to use the same dogshit turn based system pioneered by DQ and FF. It's fine for DQ and RPGM games that are supposed to be generic, but inexcusable for modern JRPGs. Which is why every modern JRPG has become action garbage.

>>713658348 (OP)
>level up to 99
>one shot the level 50 boss
>”why is this so easy”

>>713663902
To be fair, there's not much you can do to advance strategy in turn based games because majority of people who play it are retards. You used to balance resources, heals, buffs, etc to fight bosses and now games got easier. Devs can make fights harder by making enemies fight smarter or have unique mechanics to be more engaging, but most "gamers" won't be able to manage that or even formulate their own strategy to win fights and just resort to looking at guides.
It'd be like if they made enemies in FPS games more intelligent and use tactics. You see that shit too even in soulsslop, people bitch about delayed attacks or feints because apparently you can't have enemies in those games try to fight you smarter.

>>713664387
JRPGs just need devs who aren't afraid to have the bosses break away hard from the standard power curve of the party and making level/stats less of a factor than things like party comp, gear, skill loadout, strategy, and so forth.
I'd rather see games with low PC level caps where you simply can't out-grind the fights and have to leverage the rest of your kit to have a chance at winning, but this is simply too much for normie jarpiggie slop slurpers to handle in the modern age. Yet they wonder why JRPGs are so fucking boring these days when they select dogshit games that don't even try to challenge them.
There are still plenty of legitimately challenging JRPGs coming out though. You just don't see them reviewed favorably or discussed because they tend to lack in presentation or other things that normalgroids need in order for their choice of game to be valid in the eyes of others.

>>713663902
>use the same dogshit turn based system pioneered by DQ and FF.
not only ff hasnt been turn based in entire console generations, basically nothing has used the DQ system since grandia on the ps1, and even RPGM itself has built in multiple systems to the point nobody uses dq's stb
are you a bot?

>>713666635
>select Slash from the menu
>character uses Slash on three bats in a row
>repeat until the battle is over
>this applies to SMT, Persona, Etrian Odyssey, Pokemon, dungslop crawlers like Gaylleria and Dungslop Trannyveler, and hundreds of other TB JRPGs
You're not fooling anyone. And I'm aware that DQ copied the combat system from Wizardy and streamlined it so that it won't
filter Japniggers.

>>713658348 (OP)
JRPGs are more about the preplanning and executing the planning than the midfight bullshittery and improv.
There's a consistency and flow to things and much like a test, it's about if you managed to study for the essay question

>>713658348 (OP)
Cool.
Now do the same with Matador.

>>713661591
>admitting to grinding in SMT
grim

>>713660035
what do you do when the enemy has no weakness?

>>713658348 (OP)
Did you try Valkyria Chronicles ? Your point is moot

>>713668578
spam high crit moves

>>713660378
Not him, but no not exactly. Pokemon's battle system is more complex but the games rarely make use of this. SMT has less going on but the bosses are all assholes and will fuck you over in a turn if you play badly.

>>713660047
That's why there's so many cuck porn spam and forums are garbage huh

>>713667536
Are you just going to ignore the differences in all those games combat systems? Or are you pretending selecting skills in the menu means that every element of them is the same

>>713668665
such as?

>There are two threads now about a schizo seething over a game genre he doesn't like
why are action sloppers like this?

>>713660047
This. I thought it would have gotten better. It only got SO much worse. This site is definitive proof of “dead internet”. It’s not that there aren’t that many actual anons here,it’s just that there is SO many bots and paid faggot shills. The numbers keep increasing

>>713658348 (OP)
too simple turn-based rpg is a genre that should be called the dopamine button, not as bad as gachashit, but the same kind of shit.

Just got done with sm rpg remake. Needless to say its way too easy. Any game with the same kino ost and soul but more challenging?

>>713661609
So what's Icy up to? Is he evading the law?

>>713658348 (OP)
>these shit are

Grinding has always been an admission of lack of skill/understanding.

>>713663902
>muh srpgs/tactics
>when most of them involve farting around the map as you slowly inch your characters across and let the OP juggernaut solo everything

>>713670532
Grinding is a good thing and almost all RPGs should let you freely grind to become stronger and overcome the problem that way.
But if you think a game is "too grindy" then in 99% of cases you're just shit and refusing to learn the game properly. Games that let you grind are only as grindy as you want them to be. If it's too grindy, stop fucking grinding and actually progress through the game. If you're still struggling, that's a skill issue.
But if you have fun grinding your way through games? That's cool, and it's good that you can find a way that you can enjoy the game just like people who play the game normally can.
Basically, it's just a problem of retards bitching and moaning.

>>713658771
the most popular final fantasy game has a slew of pretty hard superbosses culminating in penance, just because nowadays their cheese is well known doesn't make them any less hard

>>713658348 (OP)
KAGATSUCHI MENTIONED

>posting the easiest fight in the whole game
huh
>>713659413
Maybe if you play it on very-easy like a little bitch

For what purpose.

>>713659805
I really wish they would just make their esl version of 4chan and fuck off already.

>>713673523
Anon, you're already on the ESL version of 4chan right now.

>>713658348 (OP)
>Will they ever evolve beyond mindlessly spamming Fire attacks on Grass monsters?
You can at least TRY to make better bait

>Play Nocturne for the first time
>Get Demi-fiend to level 99+, 40 in every stat, beat everything else (this was the vanilla Steam version)
>Go to Kagutsuchi
>Use my demons to max out Demi-fiend's buffs, I think I fully debuffed Kagutsuchi too
>Return demons, proceed to standard punch final boss to death

>>713659805
Not really, we just used to have grammar nazis shaming people into learning the language. Also, we used to write like retards on purpose for the lols, so you couldn't spot ESLs as easily.
t. ESL

>>713658348 (OP)
Turn-Based GAMES need depth, decisions that matter - tactical games. strategies
TB JRPGs that only have few moves with no strategy are boring waste of time

>>713673228
FF was always about the story and chars adventure, not gameplay and all the common battles are just padding, bosses are only 1% of the game

>>713668128
In X-COM, you need to juggle resource management, base building and management, research, troop management, equipment manufacturing, etc., way more than "put 1 point into Magic for mage and equip the best sword for warrior" tier planning and preparation in the average JRPG, yet the combat still isn't press a button to spam the weakness exploiting moves on the static jpeg of boss. Planning isn't exclusive to JRPG. Other genres have too and they sure don't reduce the execution phase into mindless 1-button affair that might as well be automated.

>>713670532
even in older games it always felt not running away from any random encounters and exploring everything led me to being grossly overleveled
it never takes much to build a team to 2-3 turn random encounters, and with the usual "hold button to skip animations" feature the victory tune and drops window usually is longer than the fight

>>713658348 (OP)
>XCOM
>Baldur's Gate 3
>Slay the Spire
These are the games that made me realize that NO, turn based combat ISN'T shit, it's just JRPGs.

People go on and on about the webm game specifically being "super tough" and the only reason it's that way is because the game expects you to, beforehand, know enemies weaknesses and know which demons to make to give you the best chances of exploiting enemy weaknesses and having protection/heals...that's it. If you know that stuff (which is very easy in modern day thanks to the internet) then there is no challenge. You know how to beat it very easily. There is no depth. Bashing your head against the wall figuring out stuff on your own serves no purpose but to waste time...which might've been okay back then but does not hold up now.

>>713673383
2thread LMAO

>>713673383
Famitsu thread in like 10 hours.
Gonna guess it's the usual preemptive anti-japan spergout, as the panic snoy sale ended and the PS5 may actually get splitroasted by both switches this time, it was 1k sales away from happening last week.

>>713661591
>admits his only solution is grinding until number is too high
Yeah stick with Pokemon dude.