Thread 713662289

People who want it back have brain damage
>entire boss fights where you do literally nothing but hit the same confirm button

there are rare cases where mechanics made it kinda fun, like positioning, cards, parrying, but even the latter is more than overdone at this point, yeah.

>>713662289 (OP)
Then just dont play them, nigga
Are you autistic?

>>713662364
>but even the latter is more than overdone at this point
Everything is overdone. I don't even know why people believe we could make games for all eternity like bread or cars. At one point everything was done. Right now we are in the nostalgiafag era

>>713662289 (OP)
FF16 and 7R sucked and got mogged by turn-based combat. Kill yourself.

>>713662405
>can't criticie things anymore
Please don't make 90 IQ posts in my threads
>>713662468
FF being a trash series doesn't make turn-based combat good lol

>>713662289 (OP)
It was already outdated back then desu. Everyone made fun of 3 niggas in a row.

>>713662289 (OP)
>Turn-based combat is horrible

Its not, Japs are just doing it wrong.

>>713662289 (OP)
>>entire boss fights where you do literally nothing but hit the same confirm button
This exact same argument can be used about bad action combat, it's completely meaningless.

>>713662289 (OP)
There are thousands of games that don't have it and thousands more will come. Why complain about something that doesn't appeal to you and won't end anytime soon? I think rouge likes are a shit genre and are a plauge making games worse. But you don't see me making threads seething about them.

>>713662289 (OP)
Wrong

Just don't play them then.

>>713662289 (OP)
I don't mind it in games like Dragon Quest where it's more of a means to an end and a bit like a survival game. It's less about the combat itself and more about how well you prepared and how many consecutive fights you can survive.

But yes it's usually still too slow and outright sucks in most games.

>>713662518
You're not "criticie" anything ya pinhead ESL
You're saying "i don't like thing" and people are giving you a solution to that problem
You sound like a tranny with all this whining. Go get your dick split.

People who want it back have brain damage
>entire battles where you do literally nothing but press the same "shoot" button

Why do you guys reply to obvious troll threads?
Are you really that bored?

>>713662625
>Miss a 98%
>All your soldiers die and you have to restart the entire game
Cool game.

>>713662289 (OP)
Why make a game and switch who the main character is for most of it? Were they trying to recapture the Crono dying thing? He dies and can basically be immediately revived. I don't want to be Lynx.

>>713662289 (OP)
Play games with good turn based combat then i.e. not anything made by Square

>>713662289 (OP)
That entire "boss fight" is a tutorial on the magic system.

>>713662868
Better than most threads.

>>713662917
not true, it's a normal boss and later bosses aren't much different

>>713662289 (OP)
Filtered lmao

>>713662289 (OP)
Agree. Leave it to Square Enix to ruin this genre another time, though.
>>713662627
>why complain
Personally I'd hate to see bad combat ruin a hypothetical future game I could love.

>>713662896
you mean this shitty new parry simulator game made by ubisoft rejects? fights get boring 1 hour in

Yeah, jarpig combat is horrible.

>>713662364
FPBP

>>713662786
>You're not "criticie" anything ya pinhead ESL
I'm clearly criticizing JRPG combat and pointing out it's too repetitive and shallow
>You're saying "i don't like thing"
No. Learn to read. Until then stop making 90 IQ posts in my thread

>>713662770
>t's less about the combat itself and more about how well you prepared and how many consecutive fights you can survive.
there is a reason many games have auto battle or allow you to skip battles entirely

>>713662289 (OP)
Look, if its that much of a problem, just go play fifa or call of duty. Or better yet, get a job with Healthcare so you can get your undiagnosed ADHD checked out.

>>713662625
That's a strategy game desu

>>713663101
And I hate that every other cool indie game I see is too lazy to make real levels. It won't bomb because it's the thing I don't like, since there are people who will play it and say it's good.

>>713662289 (OP)
Here's another trope that drives me nuts:
>95% of the spells/abilities in the game are useless and you just spam aoe spells
There's so many JRPGs where there was a missed opportunity to have at least a LITTLE bit of strategy or variety in the combat--but they're designed in a way where it's always optimal to just spam your strongest aoe spell.

>>713662289 (OP)
Turn based with melee attacks or ranged weapons is boring. Turn based with spells, elemental match-ups, special effects, all of that is cool.
Thats why pokemon works.

>>713663565
>pokemon
>anything but shit combat
wat

>>713662289 (OP)
Is this a baulder's gate fan afraid of Expedition 33?

zoom zoom thread

>>713663634
>muh unfinished looking Unreal Engine tech demo parry sim
That people got brainwashed into thinking this is a great game single handedly proves games are dead.

>I... IT'S SOMEONE CRITICIZING MY THREAD!?!?!?!?! AAAAAAAHHHHHH SAVE ME NIGGERMAN!!!!!!!!!
Gomi thread. Eat shit and die.

>>713663448
Half the catalog is threads complaining about something and I doubt you enter every single one and tell OP to do something else. Stfu with that childish non argument.

>>713662289 (OP)
play something good then
picked this up the other day and it mogs every other turn based game I've ever played despite looking like some d tier chink dev shat it out for mobile
class synergies out the ass and you're using skills and buffs every turn instead of just mashing attack

I blame Persona and Atlus weebs for turn based to never fully go away.

>>713663004
You need to manage the elements on the field or you'll have characters sustain a lot of damage from the field becoming a mono-element.

>>713663979
>looking like some d tier chink dev
because it is. korea slop is not different than china slop. almost worse i'd say

>>713664092
which is still easy, boring and repeats itself. but true most jarpigs have even worse combat than cc

Turn based is based.

>>713662289 (OP)
>Picked one of the worst turn based games possible.
>One of the worst boss fights in that game as well.

>>713664354
>auto
turn based combat is so shit half the games let you do this

>>713662289 (OP)
I like turn based games

>>713662289 (OP)
so you'd be fine with it if that wasn't the case and spamming attack got you killed

>mad that he didn’t lose

Typical illiterate negro

>>713662289 (OP)
okay adhdfag

>>713664037
I want an Anime Pro t-shirt.

>>713664432
>erm, this isn't fair
>in my final fantasy 10 you sometimes have to select 'defend' and sometimes there is a casino minigames to shake things up because square enix knows the combat is shit

>>713664685
Literally me

>>713664653
It's not ADHD to want a game to be fun.

Enough turn BASED games time to post turn CRINGE games instead

>>713664685
don't forget 2 min long summon animations

>>713662626
But it can be used about "good" JRPGs too except you sometimes have to heal or something I guess.

>>713662468
>thinks Square Enix is a good reference for how to do or not do gameplay
Might as well make all exploration menu based because Square sucks at level design

>>713665412
>Even with a fucking minimap you need yellow paint to guide players
The absolute STATE

>>713662673
but you can't explain why

>>713662289 (OP)
>"Turnbase games are ba.....ACK!!"

>4 niggas in a row turn based
Not a fan
>Tactical turn based (xcom, Divinity 2, BG3)
Big fan

I can't get into the chibi shit of FFTA so it's sadly not for me.

>>713665681
Damn he didn't have to do her like that

>>713663717
I'm gen X and don't enjoy watching a copy paste attack cutscene 1000 times per playthrough. We evolved a lot since picrel, dunno why some folks want to take things backward now.

>>713665760
This.

>solt and peppor
Did the writers think they were being subtle?

>>713663979
>playing this

>>713665929
can hardly call jrpg writers writers

>>713663619
If you honestly think that the combat in pokemon is bad then you need to play more games than pokemon.

>>713666043
how is it good?

>>713665681
2 had a good combat system
1 and 3 are pretty generic

>>713662427
>Right now we are in the nostalgiafag era
Could say the same about the movie and music industry.

>>713666128
It's a 1v1 game and being able to manipulate which of your party members gets targeted by the enemy adds so many layers of strategy to the game that they've built entire competitive scenes around it.

>>713662289 (OP)
>People who want it back have brain damage
I have played so many turn-based games and have to the conclusion that is just garbage for bad gamers. This trash literally shouldn't exist anymore.

>>713662289 (OP)
Turn based is pure $$$ for companies because it's easy af to make, story and graphics can be done via AI.

Parryslop 33 will win GotY and companies like Square will astroturf additional demand. Time is a flat circle.

>>713662289 (OP)
Turn-based combat is mad gay. End of story. Anyone who comments below this line is a gay.
____________

>>713665808
She was talking reckless about turn-based mechanics like it was 2009 and Mass Effect 2 just dropped. Sometimes you gotta remind people why the classics became classics.

OP deserves to die

>>713667018
First select it from the option menu, then hope it doesn't miss and that he doesn't have death resist (he will).

>>713667087
kek

>>713663335
>>713662518
this nigga havin' low test, many such cases

Even the most basic combat is more fun than turn based combat but imo therein lies a big problem with gaming today: developers are too scared to do basic combat and everything has to be flashy today.

>>713667334
If anyone else has any """good""" JRPG gameplay they want to sacrifice, post it now.

Never understood people who get visibly angry and confused that other people like stuff that they do not enjoy themself. Then again, I'm not a shut-in autist

>>713667294
they are all copypasting dmc or souls now with iframe faggotry

>>713667398
I wish it actually were this fast at least

4 niggas in a row can get tedious, but turn based like Divinity can be pretty fun.(but also annoying when the leftover D&D mechanics shit on your time)

>>713667398
Problem with FF games until 12 is that not only do they have turn-based combat but random encounters on top of it and the story doesn't make up for it. I never got the appeal.

>>713662625
the pod system makes nu xcom a miserable experience. imagine making a tactics game where you're not allowed to ambush enemies and flanking attempts are outright punished.

>>713663491
You're right; but the game does have rpg elements, so I kind of get why he posted.
Incidentally, turn based strategy games with rpg elements are my absolute favorite genre; battle brothers, mordheim city of the damned, shining force 1 and 2, front mission 3, etc.
These are turn based games that are done very well and deserve to exist; but they're not pure rpgs, so I don't know if they really fit what OP is talking about.

>>713662289 (OP)
Play a good game like Hat World

>>713663979
>>713665947
looks like AI

>>713668301
crono cross shits all over your rpg maker gooner trash, even the ost alone

>>713667262
>Posts a game where the turn based gameplay actually is fire
wew

>>713668301
>telling normalgroids about the best kino furige
show some restraint, anon.

>deepest and most strategic games (vidya and non) are turn based
>/v/ still losing their shit over this
but why man?

>>713662289 (OP)
You don't sound white.

>>713668630
Looks like shit

>>713668638
why is she so RUDE?

>>713668669
op is talking about jarpigs

>>713668696
zoom zoom

>>713668763
uh oh the shmup autists have arrived

>>713668778
Zoomers love turn based shit

>>713668717
Were you the bitch responsible for locking up the innumerable secrets of an entire universe and the bitches contained therein, I assure you that you'd have the very same keyrod up your ass as she.

>>713668884
ah fortnite and minecraft, the zoomer's favorite turn based games

>>713668638
keyed...

Yakuza going turn-based is the most retarded thing I've ever seen.
>already have a fun combat system you fleshed out over years
>replace it with crutch combat for lazy anime story games

>>713669008
That is why it isn't turn-based anymore.

>>713668763
jrpg isn't a genre. fucking pokemon has more strategic depth than your favorite game, monkey

>>713663335
Livestream your suicide. ESL nigger tranny

>>713662289 (OP)
good thread
turn based JRPG combat is literally the most inane form of gameplay possible
less engaging than action games and requires less thought and planning than in actual strategy games
people who love chrono trigger, final fantasy, secret of mana or dragon quest slop should be excluded from any vidya discussion
Imagine thinking that shooting someone in the head in fallout not resulting in death is good design. Or that the combat in morrowind is high IQ or that anyone could be filtered by it. RPG troons, western or Japanese, are subhumans

You should go back to /tv/ immediately if you enjoy these moviegames

>>713669008
you had 15 action games, isn't that enough ?

>anime all about over-the-top fighting with insane abilities
>finally gets a big game
>has Ultima combat
And now all the voice actors are slowly dying so we will never get a good OP game

>>713662289 (OP)
I fucking hated turn based games
The trailers showed you those epic action scenes only to play spreadsheet simulators
Dissidia was such an amazing game for allowing people to play ff characters proactively

>>713663240
yep, rare good turn based combat in an rpg, the card combos are satisfying and you have to block attacks. still gets a bit tiring towards the end and you want to fast forward animations

>>713662289 (OP)
just think you normally get to listen to this clown music the whole time too
https://youtu.be/8FxUzE_Bizw?si=sEX0eu8jaY1swqv1

>>713669338
Ganbarion could easily make one with proper funding. Oda cares more about getting his baby raped by Netflix, though

>>713662518
>UHHH I WAS JUST LE CRITICIZING
and I'm telling you to shut the fuck up and don't play the games if you don't like them
niggerfaggot

>>713670379
you already replied to him schizo bro >>713669108

>>713662289 (OP)
BG3 and games like it made it good because terrain and positioning is so important.
Games where its all about facetanking or making a glass cannon build that one shots everything because there's no dynamism or positioning, can definitely be a slog.

>>713669803
>Arenafags getting uppity thinking their genre is good
Play a real fighting game, loser.

>>713669338
>shit studio that never made a good game before
Almost like there's a pattern or something.

>>713662364
Picrel had a nice positioning gimmick.

>>713670915
Also this + crazy difficulty. But you definitely want an undub.

>>713669008
it was insanely ballsy for RGG to switch to turn-based and i love them for it. it was really lackluster in 7 since it was their first shot at it, but IW combat was really well done. also the mod that adds IW features to 7 fixes it
you're still getting action Gaiden games and spinoffs, too. now if they could make a good story again that would be great

>>713670690
still more gameplay than your movie games tranny
1v1 me faggot. I play more figthans than you decrepit boomer casual
why don't you watch a movie instead? TROON
name a game and I'll humiliate you 100%

>>713662770
>how many consecutive fights you can survive
That is the worst. It sucks because everything else about Dragon Quest is kino.

>>713671247
lmao that anon struck a nerve, huh zoomie?

If turn based becomes standard again you can blame Souls shit for this, everyone has action game faituge because they're pumping out iframe spam games

>>713669108
>still using livestream in current 2025
picarto is more relevant you UOL autist granny

>>713671247
Holy cringe

>>713671324
name a game and system pussy

>>713669338
turn based sonic game when?

>>713662603

look at this idiot trying to rewrite history

>>713672031
Anon...

>>713672031
We already got one, it was made by Bioware it fucking sucked.

>>713672031
?

>>713672031
sex with gremlin speed rat movie sonic

>>713662289 (OP)
I say this from the heart: Fuck you, shit taste

>>713672491
it's objectively shit combat to select 'attack' over and over, nothing to do with taste

The problem with turn-based is that the moment you try to add any sort of complexity, it makes normal encounters a slog. Turn-based isn't inherently bad. There are a bunch of excellent turn-based games. I mean for fuck's sake, chess exists. But you can't turn every encounter into chess because that would get old incredibly quickly.

>>713662289 (OP)
when was that shit made 1997?

best one ive played was gears tactics and it got old after a while.

>>713665603
The entire Nibelheim segment of Rebirth is one of the worst things I've ever played through. The rest of the game is kino though.

turn based games never get old for me

>>713662289 (OP)
Have you tried playing a good turn base game like Dragon Quest 4 DS?

>>713665681
God this game was absolute AIDs, especially coming straight from Xenogears. I quit at the part you get swallowed by the ghost ship. Fucking terrible game

>>713673762
They failed at every single Sephiroth scene in the remakes. It's impressive how much they failed to understand what made him so impactful in the original

>>713673674
That game was decent but it had the pacing of a retirement home fire drill. Cool ideas with the overwatch mechanics and unit customization, but holy hell they stretched that campaign longer than it had any right to be. Every mission started feeling like a recycled office job by Act 3.

>>713662289 (OP)
>yo turn based games fucking suck dude
>YOOOOOOOOOO THIS GAMEPLAY FIREEEEE FRFR

>>713674868
souls-like shit is the opposite extreme and the other side of the shit combat coin. everything is better than basic turn based though. at least do mmorpg-light combat like ff12 and xenoblade

>>713668778
Zoomers have better taste confirmed.

>>713675717
>Xenoblade
Legitimately some of the worst JRPG combat whether it's turn-based or realtime.

>>713672916
You're describing encounter-based, not turn-based. Games like Fire Emblem and Shiren (traditional roguelikes, I'm using Shiren as an example because it's my favorite) figured this out ages ago. Encounter-based design fucking sucks. Make the gameplay ABOUT taking turns intelligently navigating a grid full of obstacles and enemies, and make the combat itself resolve quickly and painlessly, rather than being the huge interrupting borefest it is in most RPGs.
Do this and most of the issues people think they have with turn-based gameplay evaporate instantly.

>>713676509
The thing is, the logic sort of applies to standard turn-based as well. Turn-based does allow for things like mind games and trying to predict the opponent's moves, but this kind of thing is hard to balance. And it can still be pretty obnoxious if you have to do it for every encounter.

For instance, take trading card games. Those can be fun, but fuck if I wanna do that for every single encounter in a JRPG.

>>713674868
Wow they really did just make everything easy after Radhan broke everybody. Grim.

>>713663240
Based

kuso thread

>>713664803
Fun is subjective.

>>713676680
I mean, games like Slay the Spire take a different approach: encounter-based gameplay...and that's it. Just a series of tactically demanding encounters. That is the gameplay.
I think that's valid too. What kills me about the traditional (J)RPG is that it tries to do both overworld gameplay AND encounter-based gameplay, and fails at both. No tactics or positioning in the overworld, no strategy or intelligence in the encounters.
Pokefags like to point out that Pokemon is deep despite being a JRPG, but: competitive Pokemon is an unbreaking chain of battles in which you outwit and outplay the opponent, like Slay the Spire. The campaign gameplay kinda sucks cocks and everyone knows it.

I think what people actually hate is shallow JRPG gameplay that fails in both spheres (overworld & encounter), AND wastes an inordinate amount of time on top of it. They suppose this type of design is synonymous with turn-based because it's by far the most common, when it's really just one (bad) way to do it.

>>713677336
Well, that's because when you play an RPG, you want a big world to traverse. That's one of the draws of JRPGs, the feeling of a journey.

>>713677668
Maybe in some ways they're a victim of their aspirations. They're so big. I mean, they can be pretty fun adventure games, whole-package kind of deals. I enjoyed Suikoden I and Pokemon and Earthbound. Mario & Luigi series too. Etrian Odyssey. But I can't say I particularly enjoy fighting Noob CannonFodder McFaggot with my basic Fire spell that I'm casting to conserve energy points after the 100th time.
If someone could capture the adventure and scale of these games and innovate on the combat while keeping it turn-based, they'd really have something special.

>>713678185
Like I said, the natural of standard encounters makes that practically impossible. The longer the journey goes on, the less you want to spend ten minutes on a single standard encounter. This is why in Pokemon, most standard trainers rarely have more than three Pokemon. If every single trainer had a full team of six, it would take too long, even if they're just fodder.

>>713662289 (OP)
Yes, turn based sucks, but most people are too casual to enjoy harder game mechanics like real time strategy or fighting.

Engagement thread

>>713678780
Well yeah, I'd still prefer random encounters be all but done away with. I'm not asking for more, I'm almost asking for less. Substitute it with a more tactically rich, intentional system but still turn-based. I don't have an idea for what that would look like yet.
I just don't care for how pointless the average JRPG encounter feels. Even if you make the gameplay interesting, it still feels like it's wasting your time, because in theory you didn't need to fight that encounter in order to progress and it obviously isn't fun, either.

>>713662364
Action combat of most JRPGs has patents, prevents other devs of make a system outside of the turn-based combat of the NES era

>>713663979
North Korea game, horrible UI and bad color design

Do you hate turn-based because you think it's just not very interesting for combat, or do you hate it because you think it contributes nothing to the games themselves?

>>713668638
This is the game with the english text above of the other english text?

>>713662289 (OP)
this game filtered the hell out of me when i was 9

>>713662289 (OP)
i'm beginning to learn that there is a sizeable section of gamers who care about the art and the story of their games much more than the active mechanical gameplay
turn-based games, and additionally, casual games, exist to satisfy this group of people
you're allowed to speak out against a genre because you think the gameplay is excessively simple and repetitive, but the simple truth is enough people enjoy them for them to continue being made
if the existence of turn-based games upsets, you, i apologize, and i wish you well
if you don't enjoy playing them, you're in luck, as there are countless games that provide highly active mechanical gameplay
you might like hero shooters, fighting games, FPS games, shmups, platformers, or arcade games instead

>>713662289 (OP)
Turn based gameplay has been solved in chess, mahjong, Uno, or any card/board game. The problem is that jarpiggers don't want to play games. They're losers in real life seeking escapism, not fun through playing a game

>>713681056
Nah sorry pal, I can't just let people enjoy different things about games, if you prefer games to be an interactive movie then I'm gonna call you a jarpigger like this guy >>713681175 bet you feel stupid now huh! That will teach you to like something different from me, the person with the most superior taste in the world.

>>713669183
beyond based post

>>713662289 (OP)
Good turn based games exist. Just don't play JRPGs

>>713681480
can't tell if that's advance wars fanart or another derivative zoomer clone game

>>713662289 (OP)
Turn based games are for people who want to chill while playing a game with the exception of a few turn based games

>>713662289 (OP)
Golden Sun was where combat animations hit their oeak

>>713681659
it's fanart

The only good turn based JRPG is unironically competitive Pokemon

>>713664523
this is dq2 right

>>713681379
kek, OP btfo
am autistic teenager having a melty because other people enjoy something he doesn't
pathetic

>>713671324
>>713671993
>ran away
as expected
when you can put your money where your mouth is, you can call others losers
fucking shitter lmao. bone creaking blud troon thought he could diss arena fighters but will refuse to fight 1v1 on any fighter of his choice
I would've even accepted the party game with slippi but alas
SHITTER
you are a poser and a fraud. stay silent forever. enjoy your interactive movies and never criticize gameplay of games that make your fingers and feelings hurt again TROON

>>713675717
>souls-like shit is the opposite extreme and the other side of the shit combat coin
Oh wait so you're telling me theres action games where the ai won't fall for you dodging and blocking their attacks over and over again? Please do tell of me of such games that exist.

How do you make good turn based combat then huh?

>>713662289 (OP)
Always hated those shit games. Playstation 1 was unironically anti gameplay with its missing control stick on launch and the cutscene focus

>>713679205
You can't expect every encounter to be meaningful. Plus, exploring a large world without battles in-between would have its own issues. Would you want to explore caves and dungeons without a single fight prior to the boss?

>>713672916
>The problem with turn-based is that the moment you try to add any sort of complexity, it makes normal encounters a slog.
its always fun to quickly rape a mob with a crazy card combo in baten kaitos. they should just stop doing turn based unless its with cards

>>713665412
>>713662518
>OP cherrypicks a level 1 fight
>"haha that'll show em"
>someone else cherrypicks dogshit series
>"NOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT"

>>713672916
The solution is really simple, you need to keep the right ratio of battle to everything else.
If you want your battles to be complex and require thinking, you can't throw random encounters at the player every 5 steps. If you want players to rack their brains against a pack of goblins, you should make them fight that pack 1-2 times at most during the playthrough.

>>713662364
Still my favorite JRPG combat of all time, but goddamn the game itself is too easy for it to shine to its full potential.

>>713684814
I got kinda sick of the protagonist though.

>>713662289 (OP)
Nigger turn based is barely all that popular and not even top 20 in the biggest cancer in gaming

>>713662875
Yes

>>713662289 (OP)
>horrible and a cancer of this medium
Nah, it's just a way to make inferior people feel superior. By making them think they're "strategizing", they can think they're smart while lacking the skill for games that actually need it.
Oh wowie, little billy, you figured out that the plant can be beaten with fire! Good job!
It's the redditor's genre

there is nothing wrong with turn based combat, the problem is with JRPGs using it as time wasting filler, modern jrpgs even acknowledge this and have an auto-battle feature

>>713662289 (OP)
I love it bring it back

>>713662364
But adding too many mechanics just prolongs the battle and make them become a slog.

>>713667662
This won't work in a game with exploration, battles will take too long and players will get tired of it.

>>713680378
huh?

>>713662289 (OP)
eat shit, OP