Thread 713662523

Why is this game so good? Even to this day without nostalgia, there is something magical about the experience .

must not be that good if you can't articulate why it's good.

OP I think you clicked the wrong file to upload.

It's a video game fairy tale that is captured perfectly. Can't think of anything else that actually feels like a successful fairy tale in video game form, including most of its sequels.

Never really understood the appeal.

>>713662523 (OP)
It's the level/world design. Most 3D Action-Adventure have bad linear and boring level design. It was unmatched until Dark Souls 1 took the crown.

>>713662523 (OP)
I’m not nostalgic for it and don’t like it therefore I assume it’s either nostalgia or lack of taste.

>>713662523 (OP)
yeah how did they do it

>>713664050
The hate for navi is overblown

>>713662523 (OP)
Honestly a large part of the appeal of Zelda starting with OoT is that it's a fantasy world that's actually original and not a Tolkien rip-off.

>>713662523 (OP)
I doubt Zoomers or Gen A see anything magical about this game. The NES is all but forgotten... the SNES/N64 are next.

>>713662523 (OP)

Limitations in hardware, passion, companies actually experimenting with new ideas instead of rehashing or remaking because investor interests.

>>713664728
27 year old zoomber here I played it last year with 0 nostalgia as a jaded chud (although I like Nintendo shit) and I thought it was kino.

It's definitely not THE GREATEST game of all time, because that's fucking retarded when there's so much competition, but it's definitely a must play.

It's at the perfect transition period of "old games" where shits crazy hard and unapologetic about confusing you and the 2000s fun gameplay era which blends to give a very fun and satisfying adventure experience. It's also the good kind of open world where you can go where you want in a curated on rails story instead of a empty content desert, which is insane for the time.

>>713664150
the original Fi

>>713662523 (OP)
The sword is cool.

>>713662523 (OP)
It’s the product of pure innocent nerdy passion, before the games industry was mainstream. There will never be another like it.

>>713662523 (OP)
It delivers on what it promises. Meaning that in the first half as a kid you get a small introductory dose of the land, the different races, the evil in the three child dungeons, and learn about Ganandorf through Zelda. It's all this diverse stimuli that gives you the perception that the adventure is only beginning, and that it's going to get crazy later. And then once you get the master sword, the world really opens up. Suddenly the stakes are much higher, the dungeons are bigger, the monsters are stronger (but so are you), the music gets better, and you are free to explore everything. Then once the final showdown happens, everything builds up into catharsis once you defeat Ganon, the evil from childhood, and Zelda sends you back, with music and memories from when you first started the game. The epic adventure that was promised was provided. Sorry if all this seems a little sappy and cheesy but damn do I love this game so much

>>713665958
This makes me want to replay it again. It’s been about 5 years so I probably should.

You arent really playing OOT until you can beat it sub 3 hours

>>713666239
Fuck that, you need to savor the story beats, that’s an insult to the game if you’re just speed running it with glitches

>>713662523 (OP)
it isn't a goofy kid's game.
It's serious, sad and realistic. it has a great story, great non cartoony graphics, epic music, great world discovery and adventure, realistic animations, movements, sword handling, effects, etc. it's the first open world with day-night cycle and weather simulation. all that translates to great immersion. they forgot how to make games like this.

>>713665531
I freeze time and fuck you every couple of days.

>>713665958
it's truly amazing.

>>713666239
Depends on how you play it.

>>713662523 (OP)
I'm glad I got to experience this game relatively blind a couple years ago.

>>713662523 (OP)
The worldbuilding is nuts. Sometimes you can just forget about Gannondorf and go fishing or visit the ranch.

With the amount of original characters I'm surprised Nintendo didn't whore them out more. There could have been an OOT cartoon, movie, merch etc.

>>713662523 (OP)
movie game
movie game

>>713671349
Oh yeah and I forgot. Tons of waifus, lolis and fresh twink bussy.

Literally something for everyone.

>>713671561
Go to bed, ACfag

>713671561
Bot post

>>713671659
the pinnacle of storytelling

>>713662523 (OP)
Nintendo tried to recreate the magic in a sequel and they could never quite get there so they gave up and started making open world slop

Sad!

>>713662523 (OP)
Its not. Mega Man Legends surpassed it

now lets see paul allen's ocarina of time secret grotto

>>713662523 (OP)
>I played Ocarina of Time before I could form coherent sentences why am I so nostalgic for this game other than the nostalgia I have

>>713670745
>great non cartoony graphics,
The graphics are still cartoony but it's done in a way where it's not cringe to stare at.
You'll never see a kid on the left with a big jaw and tiny cranium in real life. But it's so cool it gets a pass anyway.

>>713662523 (OP)
its just a well made game.

>>713672645
but the graphics aren't as dogshit as Wind Waker

>>713662730
This. They just got the narrative and archetypes right.

this combat is fire yo

>>713672705
Wind Waker is fine. Nintendo wanted a Saturday morning cartoon look and played with it.
Meanwhile, I think bringing OOT to the next gen would have been a bad move. Go look the first Gamecube tech demo and the realistic shaders aged badly. They looked more like plastic dolls than a painting like the N64 achieved.

>>713672990
>posts something that looks better than Wind Waker
nice

>>713672990
They couldve done it, Melee's Link and Soul Calibur 2's models still hold up and those were based off the OoT art.

>>713671980
majora's mask?

>>713671980
Considering MM has its own cult I dont think they did too bad

>>713672971
this combat is fire yo

>>713673374
>>713673536
Yeah MM is probably slightly better than Oot in most ways but after that things went downhill

>>713673536
MM has turned away from realism and the medieval fantasy that defined OOT. you fight not a power hungry man who wants to take over a kingom, a relatable theme throughout history, you fight a crashing moon instead with a jap-face, you transform into animals and goofy giants catch the moon. Most assets are reused from OOT. Ludicrous, unappealing low effort slop.

>>713672971
I love this dumb meme fight everybody uses as a negative for OoT. There are so many ways to cheese it and yet every shitposters opts out for mindlessly mashing on their shields instead.

>>713662523 (OP)
>without nostalgia, there is something magical about the experience
there really isnt. ootzealots huffing what should be illegal amounts of copium.

>>713674913
and then the framerate drops into single digits when you kill one

>>713677053
Yeah, it's great. You can watch the bones burn away in green flames.

>>713677256
weeee

>>713675831
must suck having to live with the taste of literal shit stuck in your mouth.

>>713664050
midna is far more annoying than navi or fi

>>713662523 (OP)
LttP mogs it

>>713678092
Actual legit take but these kids ain't ready for that conversation because they've never played TP, they just fap to Midna like every other "TP fan".

>>713662523 (OP)
miyamoto was very hands on
aonuma + koizumi co directed, everyone was at their A game
it had a long development time and it has the best lore in the series
wonder how much they invested to make it

>>713663408
there's more than that
the adult world gives the entire world another dimension, making the experience much richer than other 3d zeldas
also being the first 3d zelda, they could cram all the best ideas into it without being worried of retreading old territory
and you can tell they did a lot of experimenting with 3d environments and how far they can push illusions, especially in the forest temple

>>713664728
thats why nintendo is remaking it right now

>>713678092
>>713678153
personality wise I don't like Midna, but in gameplay mechanics she is so out of the way it's refreshing.

>>713678092
Navi just up and abandoned you. Midna had character growth and at least gave link closure at the end (literally). TP link actually loved Midna while Zelda was a fucking footnote, I actually felt bad Midna left. Fucking Tatl was better than Navi

>>713662523 (OP)
it's unironically cliche and generic but in the best way possible
it does an excellent job of framing the story and motivating the player to progress through it
the graphics and mechanical gameplay are simple, but that doesn't matter when you really want to defeat ganondorf
the music, sound effects, and atmosphere also enhance the experience
it was also one of the first good 3D story games
as some would say, it was lightning in a bottle

>>713662523 (OP)
It's a classic coming-of-age hero's journey done right with very little padding and bullshit busywork involved in its mainline quest. Also had amazing atmosphere, music and sound design which really heightened the tone of the temples, important locations and key events.

>>713671980
i think twilight princess was still widely appreciated
the series seems to have lost favor with its original fanbase when they started making the games more childish in design

As the other anon said, the game design works with the plot as a thematic metaphor for growing up and losing innocence while trying to recapture it, only for the game to conclude at the end that you can't.
Gameplay-wise, it is similar to other Zelda titles but with even more lore and backstory. But it's the theme of growing up woven through that makes it so moving during play and nostalgic in hindsight.

>>713672990
Wind waker's artstyle is indeed fine and holds up visually more than most games of that era, but I find the aged models and shader in that clip charming. I think its okay for visuals to be "aged" too. There's a little bit of magic to it that's hard to explain.

>>713663408
Dark Souls is awful

>>713674913
>just get ISG, bro
Threads like this convince me more and more that the only thing to like about OoT is weird glitch tech, and not the game's actual merits (most of which are exceeded by an asset flip)
Which is also probably why I like watching ZFG's rando runs

Koizumi was the reason LTTP and the N64 games were good and it's sad that we'll never get another good Zelda because the real mastermind of the series is locked behind Mario due to jealousy of his peers.

>>713685812
Didn't Koizumi admit that he didn't want to work on future Zelda games because they were too stressful to make? Or maybe I'm misremembering.

>>713685812
He would be better appreciated behind a Zelda game, honestly.
He's pretty good either way

>>713679960
Yeah and that atmosphere isn't just aesthetic fluff either-it actively drives the pacing. The way the music shifts in the Forest Temple or how the silence in the Shadow Temple makes you feel genuinely uneasy? That's masterclass environmental storytelling. It doesn’t waste your time, it respects your attention span, and actually trusts you to get immersed without shoving exposition at you every five minutes.

>>713662523 (OP)
I like ALttP better

>>713685536
>Threads like this convince me more and more that the only thing to like about OoT is weird glitch tech, and not the game's actual merits (most of which are exceeded by an asset flip)
Nah. Get your reading comprehension checked bud. Also OoT > MM mechanic wise.

>>713665439
Also played it recently for the first time the 3ds remake
Its worth all the praise it gets, but it wont be everyones favourite

>>713685812
I honestly think if we got a new one from him modern Zelda fans would hate it and think it's too gimmicky. I'd fucking love it though because we'd likely see a weirder story/setting like Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask had.

>>713662523 (OP)
I believe wholeheartedly that Goemon 64 is a better game, just that Zelda is more popular.
No malice, just genuine feelings.

>>713690564
Those 2 and LA are the best Zelda games. MM is a very close second to those, just wish it had more dungeons.

>>713695001
I genuinely believe that wholeheartedly you're an idiot. No malice, just a genuine assumption based on your post.

>>713665439
im a 27 yr old zoomer who played it as a kid. it has always been my favorite zelda game, i need to give it another playthrough. its been too long

>>713695192
-1

Game is great for a variety of reasons but the most important one is how open and mysterious the world feels. Prior to the switch games, OoT was the only 3D zelda where you were actually not railroaded into everything and could actually explore and do a ton of shit "out of order".

>>713662523 (OP)
It's just a basic, well executed, totally inoffensive adventure. A shame Nintendo/Aonuma never really seemed to understand that after MM.

>>713662523 (OP)
because no one has surpassed it gameplay wise. better games in other genres happen. for example donkey kong country 2 and tropical freeze. OOT though? nothing plays like it. nothing has the dungeon design it has.

>>713671561
unless gihbli or another studio like ponoc does it I dont want it

>>713672262
legends dungeons don't have the equivelant atmosphere nor are they interesting as puzzles, but I loved legends just as much as oot. it too has never really been done again either. >>713685536
there are no asset flips anything like this game. theres romhacks and thats about it.

>>713679657
navi went to go die from being affected by ganons evil energy

The fact that autistic OP is compelled to make these pointless threads regularly is proof that he is insecure about the lack of recognition and attention that OOT has been receiving outside of his NintendoGAF safe space.

OOT is the vidya equivalent of the emperors new clothes. It just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. It doesn't reach the top spot in any of the all time game lists that are made these days and quite rightly.

>>713662569
>eat something that tastes wonderful
>can't really work out why, must be a combination of things
>but since I can't figure out why, it wasn't so great
>give the restaurant a bad rating for the great experience I had
You are a moron.
>Food analogy
Yes.

Will we ever see another sidescrolling Zelda title like Zelda II?

>>713662569
There isn't a single zelda fag who can't explain why they like the games without going full on abstract bullshit

>>713687286
nope

he asked if he could do the next zelda in one of the nintendo asks interviews, and aonuma laughs and says no
wonder what happened during majora

koizumi is the right man for zelda
without him, zelda has become quite vanilla

>>713662523 (OP)
>Why is this game so good?
It simply should not have existed in 1998. On the heels of Mario 64 existing in 1996 (same year as Tomb Raider) in total spite of there being literally no precedent for analog stick controlled 3D games, let alone one that controls as smooth as butter. Nintendo just decided "3D can not only be done well on consoles, we're going to make games that feel natural even though you've never controlled one before" and they did it.

That's why it tops so many lists from that era. It was so far ahead of its own time it blew people away. On top of the technological aspects, it was also a very fun, very well-made Zelda game. Tons of shit in it they didn't even need to include. Horseback riding, fishing, mini games, secrets, and a huge (for the time) overworld.

No, I won't say it still beats every single game in the 27 years since it came out but you can see the influence it had on so many of them. Hell, if it uses lock-on focus controls those originated in OOT. 3D puzzles. Maps that rotate in three dimensions. Underwater dungeons. The OOT boss fights set the standard for 3D bosses. It defined a genre before that genre really existed. That's how important OOT is.

>>713697485
Probably not. The closest we’ve got lately are underground sections in Link’s Awakening and Echoes of Wisdom.

>>713698496
The CDi games too lmao,

>>713662523 (OP)
it’s a good lttp clone

the muted colours do a lot for the atmosphere of the game

>>713685536
Just use deku nuts, Arin, it's a very easy game.

>>713699723
The 3DS remake kinda fucked up the palette but that's probably because it needed saturated colors for the 3D to work and dark fantasy went out of style at that time.

>>713699865
>kinda
you're being very polite

>>713683936
If you're brown yeah.

>>713699942
i am brown and I like it

>>713662523 (OP)
It masterfully executes the hero journey, and does it in a really naive way. Basically one of the Disney classics but in video game form.

The anti OoT brigade the past year or two has been even more forced and manufactured than when the hipsters tried to force MM down our throats in the early 2010s

Games made with heart and soul and effort by a team of talented people who have a united vision are always great, and they used to be standard instead once in a generation...

>>713679657
Why would Navi stay with you? She accomplished her mission. Link had to live his own life from now on, so had her.

>>713700169
It's like people trying to hate the original Resident Evil remake on Gamecube or saying that Super Mario World or Link to the Past is actually shit and boring.

>>713700284
great thing bad

>>713700169
MM is great tho, it's just a different experience like LA. But the whole OoT (and classic Zelda is general) hate is clearly coming from zoomers who grew up on BotW and refuse to acknowledge the franchise was something different before these games.

>>713679657
Link was never meant to have a fairy like the Kokiri, Navi was only his fairy because the Deku Tree gave that command as its dying wish. When Link returned to Hyrule as a kid, he was given a chance to actually live his life and so Navi left to do the same.

It's just too good. It was fucking 1996 when they were making it.

I still haven't even see other games today able to do some of the stuff it does.

It's not even the prototype-Dark Souls, it's the actual inspiration for it and the entire adventure genre.

Ocarina and Mario 64 are technological and gameplay landmarks into the transition to 3D. I don't know if either of those two will be topped in that respect.

>>713700359
>s clearly coming from zoomers
it's been a thing since the mid 10s to hate on the game, which was only magnified when that one video got released
hell i've had complete normalfag friends that haven't even played a zelda game before in their lives complain about OOT, parotting the exact same points in the video

I wonder if that wind waker looking OoT remake is done yet

Egoraptor trying desperately to justify his own terrible opinions about OoT by playing the game as poorly as possible and refusing to use any of the Z-targeting camera control will never not be funny and pathetic.

It basically killed his reputation as a game critic and killed his Sequelitis show.

>>713662523 (OP)
It was the Elden Ring of its time

>>713700786
arin and dsp died the exact same amount of times in twilight princess (12 or so iirc)

>>713700359
MM was fine, but it isn't the best Zelda game ever made.
now imagine how annoying it'd be if it was being forced by a fan base like undertale or final fantasy vii in the 00s was.

Replayed it recently on original hardware, still a 10/10.

>>713700928
In MM's defense, it was unfairly hated on release and for many years afterwards simply because it was different from OoT in design. WW got the same treatment but imo WW is a worse game than MM.

It wasn't until TP and the 8.8 debacle that Zelda fans finally realized they didn't actually want OoT 2.

>>713700928
>final fantasy vii
Worst fanbase in gaming.

>>713699723
its the opposite. the colors in oot are vibrant, and majoras mask even more so. things only get muted to worse after WW

>its the opposite
no, the colour in the 3ds remake is vibrant

>>713700832
Except that Elden Ring isn't as good as Ocarina.

The spectacle and feel of exploration is as good, better even (respectively for each time period), but the core gameplay and puzzle solving is not as good as Ocarina.

>>713701357
plus elden ring doesn't have Bongo Bongo

>>713701054
I wanted OoT 2
TP is just as good as OoT
The dungeons (the most important part of the are the best in the series

>>713700786
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>>713701686
so do I and I beat it without dying once

>>713701620
>TP is just as good as OoT

It's more that, what did Twilight have to one-up Ocarina? It really came down to graphics and story. Maybe horse combat too.

In a 3D environment, we've pushed the blocks before, done the Stalfos Z-targeting fights, done the torch lighting puzzles. That's why Majora and Wind Waker stood out more. They were mechanically the same, but their themes/artstyle made them distinct and separated them out from ocarina.

>>713700786
>This game fucking sucks
>Here's an animation why while making fun of the naysayers I know I'll get
>Also here's me playing it years later and sucking absolute cock at it but blaming the game itself thus invalidating everything about that video
Kinda amazing honestly

>>713662523 (OP)
Well the 3DS game prove it's still good for newer audiences too. I was actually a bit shocked that so many kids picked it up from the 3DS.
It just mixed things right.

MM did slightly better though. The plots and themes are just so fucking good.
Pity MM3DS doesn't exist.

>>713678092
She is, but she's also hot so you kinda get attached to it... strangely.

>they tried this with Zelda in Spirit Tracks and it did not work nearly as well

>>713699865
>dark fantasy went out of style at that time
What on earth are you crapping on about?
Dark Souls literally exploded around then because Nintendo just gave up on making grim dark fantasy games and the other competitors sorta made garbage too.
Had Witcher 3 come out in 2010, it would have blown Zelda to smithereens.

>>713700953
N64 is so blurry dude. I played it on a large plasma like 2014ish with friends and ... it was so bad. My eyes hurt from it.
How did we tolerate this?

>>713700786
It amazes me that there are people out there who still defend the Sequelitis OoT video. Literally none of his points actually stand up under scrutiny, especially with the revelation that he just has ADHD and sucks at video games in general.

>>713702379
>tfw used to play on a 9 inch CRT from 4 meters away

>>713662523 (OP)
I didn’t play Zelda as a kid and in fact I didn’t beat OoT until just a few years ago so there’s no nostalgia for me at all. That said it’s a really fun game except it’s full of “how the fuck was I supposed to know this” moments.

Everything about OoT is great except the dungeons, which is true for all Zelda games.
The "puzzles" are just incredibly boring and half the time just involve walking around an area until you find the right thing to interact with, they don't really require any thought.
Dark Souls perfected the OoT formula because it cut out the shitty puzzles.

>>713702557
I always had big CRTs, in fact I had a widescreen 1080p one at some point. Then LCDs very early in the 00s before most people even knew about them because my uncle was pretty on the ball with that sort of tech and mom got recommended things. We got Plasma ridiculously early in retrospect for the size of that tv (which is still big to this day and STILL fucking works). I played nintendo 64 and wii on that thing a lot. In 2014 we still had it and I used it then too and it just was so bad that I couldn't figure out why we tolerated it. I think it's because games had become 1080p by then and 1080p TV was far more regular (we got our equivalent of cable by then... for a few years).

We weren't particularly wealthy either because the house was falling apart, the cars weren't working, my clothes weren't in good nick - but at least we had a good TV!

>>713702970
0/10
The puzzles are why Souls games kinda fail still. The platforming especially. It wasn't great in OoT in retrospect, but it's still far better than DS.
Sekiro is a lot better for that shit. That's the best part of Sekiro for me.
Assassins Creed used to do it ok, but not perfect.

>>713662523 (OP)
It's not. It never was. It's nostalgia.

>>713703502
Nope.

>>713662523 (OP)
It's just a great, well designed game, made by passionate people with a vision and desire to push the tech and gameplay to a next level.

It's a true, chill adventure game, with tons of variety and that legendary S O U L people talk about. A work of art.

>>713662523 (OP)
>without nostalgia
lol
lmao faggot

>>713702379
It's blurry but that's just how it is.
S-video cables are the way to go, no mods needed and about as sharp as it can look without becoming blurry AND pixelated at the same time

>>713662523 (OP)
well made 3rd person action adventure at the peak of gaming with few flaws

>>713663408
dark souls 1 isnt as good at oot
i thought nier automata was close to oot desu besides the 9s parts

>>713705307
It's superior in all ways except story.

>>713685812
It's insane how much he contributed to Zelda just with LttP alone.
>the iconic three-triangle design of the Triforce
>the three Goddesses
>the Imprisoning War
>Sages
>Ganon originally being a human thief from the desert named Ganondorf

>>713662523 (OP)
OOT does an amazing job at making you feel like you are really saving the world. It has a weirdly accurate portrayal of the real world and how evil really works. Like the kokiri who are living in lockdown to save themselves from the monsters. the kokiri villagers living in fear and fighting amongst themselves. but they don't like talking about the real threat, ganondorf who corrupted things and destroyed castle town. You have to revisit the places you visted as a child and they have all been changed and corrupted like goron and zora villages. A foreign tribe the gerudo have weird powers you have to face. I could go on but OOT is a master class at portraying a corrupted world and giving the feeling that you are really saving it. That's why it's still the goat.

>>713703502
>old games were bad its just nostalgia!!!! please enjoy minecraft and black boss lady simulator 4 powered by ue5!!!!!!!!!