Thread 713668146

Stop acting like you hate Brawl

I don't hate my time with it, but it is objectively the worst entry in the franchise.

There is no point in playing Brawl since Project M exists. There is no point defending Brawl either.

>>713668146 (OP)
Zoomers hate Brawl because they were too young to have played it and e-celebs tell them Melee is better

>>713668224
But enough about Smash for Wii U.

Only the first smash bros is good, melee is buggy trash, brawl is floating garbage and everything after that is just a clusterfuck shitshow.
That being said brawl still has the best single player.

>>713668146 (OP)
I wasn't a sweatlord beating my analog stick to death so i never hated it.

somehow Brawl did everything right except for the actual fighting others part
if it switched just that part with any other Smash game (even 4 or Ultimate) it'd be the best by a large margin especially for casuals

>>713668146 (OP)
But I like Brawl. I just like Melee more

>>713668396
Am curious, how is melee buggy exactly?

>>713668979
More like
>Shit game is great because it's nintendo!
Think about it all the ninteno fans from the nes, snes and n64 generation are old and in prison serving life by now. Most of the nintendofans on /v/ were 3 when the wii came out and it raised them so they think wii games are good.

>>713669047
The entire competitive scene is literally based on a bug that was removed in brawl, that sakurai admits they didn't have time to fix in time for launch.

>>713668146 (OP)
It is objectively not a good game. It's just zoomer babbies first smash so they have nostalgia.

1:it is FACTUALLY the most buggy smash game, yes even more than melee despite your butt-tears for the game. A game that took a fraction of the time to make.
2: they stripped mechanics from not only the 2nd game but also even carryover mechanics from 64 in order to make the wiimote waggler fags happy. The removal of hitstun so you dont get your fee fees hurt from combos, the removal of ledge options, snapping to ledge for handholding. It's just a clusterfuck of poor design.
3: its content is meaningless, and literally i mean that. Stickers, all the unlockable shit, even subspace sucks except for the movies.
4: the advanced tech in this game are mostly useless or hurt it both competitively or casually (Momentum cancel is a huge one), the infinites are cancerous and genuinely make most of the cast useless whereas in all other games you don't really have this problem. stuff like grab release has no depth to it either.

Brawl is genuinely not only the most INTENTIONALLY stripped down game, but physically, it is the most shallow compared to its predecessor. The only ups it has over later games is metaknight feels like a real character and The mods it has available. even the chars it introduced were mostly cancer or later became cancer. (Sonic, Olimar, ROB)

Brawl is 100% without a shadow of doubt the worst thing that happened to smash outside of it being outsourced to other companies.

>>713669047
It's not. He's a legacy brawlfag from the old days of arguing because he doesnt wanna do wavedashing and lag cancelling so in his mind he holds onto the grasped straws of them being bugs.

You DID get this trophy legit. Right, /v/?

>>713668224
...But enough about 64.

>>713669167
Which bug?

>>713669278
Wavedashing...

Brawl is legitimately my favorite entry in the series. I just hate random tripping, but aside from that I loved pretty much everything about it and put the most time in it out of any Smash Bros game.

>>713668146 (OP)
I love making my sister seethe when I play as Meta Knight.

>>713669328
Not a bug thoughbeit.

>>713669385
>It's not a bug because I said so!
I bet your room is filled with wavedashing, huh
?

>>713669689
Explain how it's a bug.

>>713669746
Did the devs intend for it to fuck up?

>>713669193
I did, DK's ground pound is OP on some bosses

>>713668146 (OP)
I hate that you went from the fastest smash to the slowest
I hate uncontrollable slipping
I hate big maps with uncontrollable shenanigans that made the slower pace feel even more grueling (that later got addressed in ultimate bu turning stage effects off)
That said, SSE was really fun, and so was unlocking all the stickers and CDs
So to sum up, it was a jarring disconnect from melee, but it had good points as well

>>713669920
So if something is not explicitly intended by a dev as a mechanic, it's a bug according to you?

>>713669920
Not that anon, but it was a unintended exploit (NOT BUG, not a mutually exclusive term do NOT STOP READING HERE FAG) of both the:

1:Intended grounded sliding mechanics, that have a name in the code
2:the intented airdodge mechanic
3:the intended ground sliding momentum mechanic

Sakurai has already touched on the subject and said they found out they could do it during playtesting, and left it in. It has its own codename in the code of the game called "landfall_special"

It is most certainly not a bug, it is a exploit. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. I'm never explaining this again because I'm tired of people reading the first sentence, realize they're being disagreed with on the internet then stop reading so they can remain in the cocoon of their own ignorance unhindered.

>>713669167
This "bug" was so good they brought it back in Ultimate. And it's included in every smash clone because of how good it is as a mechanic. And it cucked three Smash games because of how unfun they felt without it which led to the community souring on the games and migrating to Melee.

>>713668146 (OP)
Brawl unironically hate the most SOUL

>>713668307
>He thinks Brawl fags aren't Zoomers.

>>713670157
>So if something is not explicitly intended by a dev as a mechanic
That is literally what a bug is you retard

>>713669216
smash 64 is the "worst" of any Nintendo series on the 64, but that's only because it was the first, and limited by the tech of the time, neither of which being the game itself's fault. It was still amazing for the time, for what it was. It deserves enough respect to be immune from excessive praise or ridicule. It should just be.

>>713670356
>rocket jumping is a bug

I actually do hate brawl tho

>>713670494
Nta but yes

>>713670571
Which part exactly?

If they got rid of tripping I would completely destroy anyone at Brawl. The problem is that for light characters like ZS Samus or sluggish ones like Link tripping is a death sentence.

>>713670356
stop cherrypicking your replies and read >>713670161

>>713670161
Exploits are just bug abuse. There's no difference, quit being pedantic.

>>713668224
it’s the last good entry

>Sakurai blogging about the game on the Dojo
>Snake and Sonic, 3rd party characters for the first time
>Final Smashes
>Stage Builder
>Adventure Mode had a proper storyline with characters crossing over
Brawl was incredible. I can't remember anyone who seriously hated it except the competitive Melee purists.

>>713670742
Which part is a bug exactly?

>>713669193
I got it with Luigi.

>>713670834
Notice how none of what you talk about was the actual gameplay?

>>713670834
It was a shit game in every conceivable way and a massive letdown. But it had a fun online mode and more reliable than future Smash Bros. games.

>>713668396
>still chimping out over wavedashing
Brawl is even buggier trash. MK can stay invisible forever by using Dimensional Cape and mashing up on the c-stick.

>>713670834
I'm not a Melee purist and I disliked Brawl. Try not to forget me again.

>>713670834
Now talk about the actual gameplay and how it was a step down from Melee hell even 64 despite being released two generations before it.

>>713670834
It was the last SSB to have any soul, but the gameplay is so bad that it doesn’t matter. No, your boogyman is not the reason the gameplay is bad.

>>713670742
>ignoring stated facts from the developers themselves so you can remain in your cocoon of ignorance

You're just a shallow manchild who never gave up a near 20 year old argument. Genuinely from one oldfuck to another, grow up at some point. Please.

>>713668146 (OP)
>Played Brawl with mods for like a Decade
>Decide to play vanilla last month for old time's sake
It's like I walked into a different realm.

>>713670742
a bug is something that is inherently broken and in no way intended, for example if the developer set the stats wrong on an item or ability making it either really shit or super overpowered. An exploit is a result of two or more intended game mechanics interacting in a way the developer did not anticipate, say an item that knocks enemies back when you hit them, and a spell that pulls enemies towards you, and you combine them to stunlock an enemy until they die. In the first example, the item/ability is not performing as intended by the developers, while in the second example they are performing as intended, just being combined in an unanticipated way.

>>713668307
It has become the ultimate poser game for gaymer cred because of them, it also gets associated with le Y2K aesthetics yet it looks ugly compared to many games from that era

>>713671461
nta still a bug

>>713668146 (OP)
but I don't hate, in fact it still is my favorite smash game

Brawl was a good smash game but a terrible fighting game, outside of Subspace, you'll never go back to brawl and more likely to go back to melee for a typical smash experience, even if you're not competitive and play with items

>>713669216
Only Meleesois dismissi Smash64 like this

>>713668146 (OP)
I don't hate it but Sakurai overcorrected to spite tourneyfags and he ended up making the game worse for everyone instead of the vocal minority.
The SSE was cool, the dojo was cool (though admittedly it was not part of the game), and the third party additions were cool.
But the game just felt bad to play. It was especially noticeable on Captain Falcon, where all forward running momentum would be instantly and inexplicably halted the moment you took to the air, which made him feel "wrong" in a way I can't even describe. Combine that with the feeling of random tripping for absolutely no reason because you wanted to dash instead of walk across the level, and you've got a game where the moment-to-moment gameplay sucks balls even if it seems fun on paper.

>>713668146 (OP)
Subspace Emissary was good
Tripping was bad

>>713670742
You are a retard

>>713673106
Yeah it was fun to experience the dojo and waiting in line with a friend for midnight release and playing subspace together. But eventually the game turned out to be the most sluggish smash ever. And the art style aged terribly. I still had a blast playing it and put maybe a 100 hours into it, but collectively it is the worst in the series and I'll never play it again. EVER. It was fun simply because it was new.

Also first smash game with online. And if you think current smash online sucks, BOY did this shit always lag. Basically unplayable.

Brawl is the last time Smash Bros. was good.

>>713668224
Ultimate is worse

>>713668307
Brawl is the first zoomer smash

>>713668146 (OP)
>removed mewtwo
No, fuck you.

>>713669689
Not even sakurai thinks wavedashing is a bug. To him it was a mechanic intended to be in the game. Also fun fact wavedashing is in ultimate

>>713669689
Wasn't a bug and he even discussed it in an interview as well as recommending you do it on Mewtwo and Luigi as a "backdash" on his website QA.

>>713668146 (OP)
I like project m quite a bit. best platform fighter for modding

i love it nigger

>>713669097
>4chan isn't filled with people from those eras
newfag begone.