>quest "Kid in a Fridge" in fallout 4 has the player open a fridge standing out in the rubble of a town, revealing a ghoul child
>learn the child has been trapped in the fridge since the bombs dropped (over 200 years)
>no food or water
>child is not only alive, but not blind or suffering from any ailments
>no scavengers or raiders passing through heard him or opened the fridge
>didn't get cooked to death or frozen inside the fridge as the seasons passed
>proceed to walk with the kid down the street to his old house
>his ghoul parents are standing right there waiting for him
>to this day bethesdrones defend it as lore-respecting with insane justifications and unsubstantiated assumptions
>Then Bethesda bigwig Pete Hines was asked how a ghoul child survived over 200 years in a fridge with no food or water
>picrel was his response

Bethesda's dev team did not possess the required intelligence to understand the Fallout universe and lore set by the first two games. In a nutshell they are philosophical experiments by asking how humanity would cope with and rebuild after a nuclear apocalypse scenario. Bethesda did not comprehend these basic facts and instead focused on the aesthetic of FO1's intro with the 50s music and made FO3, dumbing down or retconning virtually every pre-existing faction and major lore points. For example, in FO3 its 200 years after the bombs dropped but the world is crafted to look like it's only been 20 years. No one's rebuilt anything, and there's human skeletons just laying around.

>>713678980 (OP)
>ifunny

>>713678995
woulda used 9gag, but it was closed

>>713678980 (OP)
What a hack.

>>713678980 (OP)
Why wouldnt the kid become feral from brain rot? Most feral ghouls are feral from radiation brain rot, but being cramped in a fridge for 200 years would surely also rot the brain

>>713678980 (OP)
>Nick’s companion quest is about him hunting down the original Nick Valentine’s nemesis that lived 200 years ago
>The game makes it clear Synth Nick is a different person from the real Nick
>No option to convince Nick to move on from a 200 year old grudge against a man that is likely long dead
>Instead it turns out he’s still alive as a ghoul that stayed in a bomb shelter for 200 years
>You shoot him and leave
>That’s the entire quest

>>713679212
This was retconned as "his parents having good genetics."

>>713678980 (OP)
>ifunny
Go back to plebbit or kys

>>713679787
That's not the entire quest
You forgot to mention that the ghoul stayed in that locked one room bunker for 200 years but was planning any day now to leave and restart his mafia to terrorize the commonwealth

>>713678980 (OP)
fallout 2 ruined fallout

>>713678980 (OP)
The "logic doesn't apply because there is a thing that doesn't exist in real life" cope is way too common for how stupid it is.

>>713678995
ifunny is the stamp of quality

>>713678995
Most 4chan memes came from there newfriend

Or the fact he was locked in a small, dark box for 200 years and hasn't gone stark raving mad, ghoul physiology or not.
Solitary confinement in prison is bad, I could not imagine what 200 years could do to a person, let alone a child.

>>713678980 (OP)
People who want to take over someone else's creation are generally just not very intelligent. When you feel entitled to do that you already by definition have no respect for the source material and think you know better than the original creator. It's why spergs and tards gravitate towards fan fiction and are only capable of writing Mary Sue/self insert characters in those universes.

>>713678980 (OP)
the only working fanfic is that the ghoul kid is lying/is a retard. He hasn't been in the fridge for 200 years, only a few days at best.
>I still sold him for 250 caps didn't even bargain kek

>>713680642
>I still sold him for 250 caps didn't even bargain kek
Maybe it's mods but there was a patrol of named Gunners nearby, 2 in power armor and they got too close and agrod. One of the best vidya fights I've ever been in.

>>713678980 (OP)
Several things to understand with this situation.
>A. Lead writer had become disillusioned with writing after his previous writing as lead writer was mocked, making him believe gamers don't care about writing quality
>So he had the entire dev team make their own quests to add in the game, cause fuck it. This led to more traditional rpg styled quests like the robot shit quest with attribute checks, and retarded quests like the ghoul kid quest
>B. Pete hines job was to be the marketing guy, and defend the development team, which is what he was doing.
That being said, he was retarded for defending that stupidity, and being so flippant and curt to his customerbase, dude was a dumbass in that, and he got mocked non-stop for it. Also, their lead dev is often a retard, as evidenced by this event and his keep it simple stupid writing style, as talked about in his own dev talk.

>>713678980 (OP)
>how a ghoul child survived over 200 years in a fridge with no food or water
Ghouls don't need food or water.

Honestly, it's fine. Picking apart the writing from dumb people is more entertaining than trying to help them improve or give constructive criticism. He's delivering the most entertainment he possibly could.

>>713680903
>Ghouls don't need food or water.
Even if this were lore accurate, he was alone, locked in a box for 200 years. that kid would not be sane. Even normal grown adults locked in solitary confinement for a month go crazy. A tight space, with no human contact or ability to leave? He'd be feral even if he wasn't *feral*.

>>713680445
>progress? in my post-apocalypse?
>AHHHHHHHHHHHH HELP ME BEAR AND BULL MAN

>>713680761
I had this fight too without mods

>>713680893
Nice to see a balanced take on /v/ for once.

>>713678980 (OP)
>fallout 2
>has the whale from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
wow so lore breaking

>>713678980 (OP)
Honestly, Fallout is a franchise that's not built to withstand the passage of time in-universe.

80 years after the bombs fall, things are still a mess, but there are small settlements where people are starting to clean up and get the economy going again? Okay, I can buy that. 200 years later, what appears to be a decently high IQ population with some portion of it being Christian is still living in shanty towns with piles of rubble in the corners of their living spaces? Keep in mind that's the same amount of time that passed from the founding of the United States to the 1970s.

>>713681023
Evidently not.

>>713681530
I find it perfectly believable.

>>713681057
I wouldn't say it was a balanced take, I was pretty critical of pagliarulo and hines, but if I were to give a more nuanced perspective to it, i'd probably point out I don't think pagliarulo wrote the ghoul kid quest, it was probably an intern or some art dev or something, and while emil can be formulaic with his stories, they can be entertaining, like the dark brotherhood quest or far harbor, when he tries. Pete hines was obviously just doing his job, the issue is he approached it very poorly in the medium he was in.

at least pete had the decency to fuck off and retire unlike emil and todd

>>713681660
The Fallout universe doesn't have millions of people running around who's brains would be broken by the question-
>How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast?
>But I did have breakfast.
>Okay, but how would you feel if you hadn't?
>Why are you saying I didn't have breakfast?

>>713678980 (OP)

>>713681530
I thought fnv did it well, just more debris in places than necessary that should be more settled. I could see why ncr occupying the rail station might be a bit fucked up, lack of resources and the rail station being fucked before hand would make sense, but some random bumfuck town in vegas should look a bit cleaner, which iirc places like goodsprings do look cleaner, other than abandoned areas. The real issue is fallout 3 treats the apocalypse like it was last year rather than 200 years ago, but that's beating a dead horse.

>>713681703
pete isnt as important is probably why. hes just a marketing lead, todd is lead dev, and the main bethesda hypeman, they probably got their claws buried deep in todd for a couple more games. Don't know about pete, maybe hes staying out of loyalty to todd, iirc they're friends.

>>713681674
I was just about to agree with you and say "Kirkbride was the mad, drugged out prophet and Pagliauro is the safe by-the-numbers man" but then AI went and said this

The "Kid in a Fridge" questline and character, Billy Peabody, in Fallout 4, were primarily written and developed by Emil Pagliarulo. He also mentioned that his son provided the voice acting for the character of Billy

>>713681797
isn't the guy on the bottom the ghoul from the t.v series?

>>713681953
>The "Kid in a Fridge" questline and character, Billy Peabody, in Fallout 4, were primarily written and developed by Emil Pagliarulo. He also mentioned that his son provided the voice acting for the character of Billy
Oh. I stand corrected then, kek. If that's true what a fucking hack, such a shit quest.

>>713680636
bingo
and there's also the shady angle of thinking you've got guaranteed income, which goes along with these same types of people

if beth wanted to do fallout 3/4 properly, they would have done what they did with nv and got older guys to work on them.

>>713680445
I love Fallout lore, but meme vaults are truly fucking retarded.

>>713681023
the show has a ghoul locked in a fucking coffin for years at a time
dumbass
ghouls dont need food or water,

>>713678980 (OP)
How is there so much shit still laying around after 200 years in the fallout universe realistically it would be all picked dry not even the fucking paper would be laying around someone would have used it as kindle for fire and packs of cigs still laying around yeah right mfs would smoke those in the first decade

>>713678980 (OP)

>2020+5
>still confusing "realism" with "verisimilitude" and just being consistent with your worldbuilding rules
How did we come to this?

>>713678980 (OP)
Bethesda Fallout is what happens when a fan takes over an IP without understanding the creator’s vision. Todd loved the retrofuturistic 50s aesthetic in a post apocalypse setting and the rest kinda flew over his head. He put all the factions and monster of the first games in his game because «that’s what Fallout is about»
Really Fallout 3 feels like a bad fan fiction of Fallout

>saw a youtube comment where 3 and NV were referred to as "classic" Fallout
there's millions of Fallout fans whose only frame of reference for the series is 4 and the show. Moving forward things aren't gonna get any better. Microsoft and Amazon are just gonna continue shitting on Fallout along with Bethesda now.

>>713681075
"fun" encounters are explicitly non canon and separate from normal ones

>>713681530
Fallout 2 and New Vegas handle it well. You have the main area of the NCR that is fully developed and mostly civilized outside of issues with highwaymen, but both games take place on the NCR's northern and eastern frontiers. It's why they were always thinking about ways to keep the NCR from getting too powerful, but Bethesda just completely ignores society making any sort of advancement in their games.

>>713678980 (OP)
Imagine the smell when you open the fridge

>>713684729
Feminists wanted to chase hot, feminine girls out of action stories.
In order to appear high-minded instead of petty, self-centered, and hypocritical, one of the lines of attack that these dishonest snakes tried to latch on to is that it's "unrealistic".

That's 90% of the cases where retards complain about muh realism, and they conspicuously have nothing to say about things that are significantly less realistic and even setting-breaking than attractive women in bikinis who move and act like women. Armor that's literally dangerous to wear around the house, plot inconsistencies, unwieldy weapons, etc.? Silence.

>>713685228
I thought I was in a different thread. Point still stands.

As for OP's example, it's not realism, it's just that it's stupid and lazy. Like almost all of Fallout 4's writing.

>>713684361
>the show
>dumbass
why do you people always project.

It’s crazy that some random autistic siberian has a better grasp of what Fallout is about than Bethesda who’s been doing official Fallout games for more than 15 years

>>713681075
Nice easter egg, retard.
Bethesda literally drops epic chungus references in your path. Aliens were a easter egg in older fallout, meanwhile look at Fallout 4 where a spaceship will crash before your very eyes and companions will go "WHOA DID YOU SEE THAT EPIC CHUNGUS ALIEN SPACESHIP?!"
Fuck off pajeet.

>>713681785
mate the majority of NPC's in fallout 3 were actually African, this accurately reflects real life Washington demographics.

>>713684361
>the show
Fucking lmao

>>713685228
>Feminists-
stopped reading there tbqhdesu

>>713678980 (OP)
The only reason anyone knows about Fallout is Bethesda.

>>713685840
Yes, I know that normalfags like you never knew about Fallout until Bethesda told you that it's like Oblivion but with guns.

>>713679787
Nick's quest pisses me off to this day, because the direction I thought it was going was obvious and way better:
> Go on the journey to find the mob boss.
> Unlock the bunker.
> He's dead. There's a skeleton and an audio log.
> He died alone and miserable, pining for the old days.
> Nick realizes this whole quest was pointless, chasing ghosts.
> He grows and develops as a person.
So many stories have done that exact twist that playing it completely straight was, in its own way, a subversion of expectations, like a song that ends with a wet fart.
Fallout 4 is a game that punishes the player for caring about what's happening.

>>713685436
>better grasp of what Fallout is about
This always seemed like a gay argument desu. The idea that fallout is some high art concept.
It's just wasteland, you just shoot mutants and robots bro. You want to make high art post apoc? Why does it have to be in Bethesdas wacky fun haha series?

Emil won

>>713678995

>>713680903
They need water according to FO 1

>>713678980 (OP)

>>713678980 (OP)
I am NOT playing FO4 again, last time it took literally a thousand hours and I there were still more quests to do ... but the mods are awesome, except that Silent Hill bullshit

>>713678980 (OP)
What kind of smile is that?

>>713682023
>Oh. I stand corrected then, kek. If that's true what a fucking hack, such a shit quest.
>>713680893
>>A. Lead writer had become disillusioned with writing after his previous writing as lead writer was mocked, making him believe gamers don't care about writing quality
and this is why you should never defend bethesda on anything writing wise. The man is an utter disgrace to the profession as evidenced by his work on Starfield.
If he died tomorrow and was replaced by an intern I wouldn't say the writing would improve but at the least there would be a chance.

Bethesda Fallout games never made sense to me, the setting is supposed to take place centuries after the apocalypse but it feels like the bombs dropped like 10 years prior. It’s so fucking retarded how nobody cleaned up the skeletons and the rubble.

>>713681797
This is the most depressing image I've seen in a while

>>713678980 (OP)
>talking ghouls
does he not know that ghouls were human previously? was it really necessary to shit on the game in his tweet?

>>713680635
>locked in a small, dark box
like half of /v/ right now?

>>713681797
Black dudes aren't much of a problem, but having anyone looking chinky in a vault is near impossible considering their absolute hatred towards chinese

>>713680903
>he doesn't know about Necropolis
Embarassing.

>>713687236
An intern would want to prove itself. So there would be motivation. Ofc modern vydia writer interns are generally danger hairs. so you might end up with something bombing as hard as concord or homeworld 3

Emil is just consistently non offensively shit and shallow. Spiciest shit he ever came up with was nate the rake and that was also complete accident as the tard had not payed close attention to f1 intro and he was immediately bullied by xitter bots into submission lmao

>>713678980 (OP)
It's funny, all the author should've said
>I found it funny so I allowed it
But instead he became the laughing stock

>>713678980 (OP)

>>713687314
It is just so stupid they could alleviate half the retardation by removing one zero from their stated timelines and renaming some factions while leaving everything else the same

Like absolutely no sense of time and space. 200 years is the difference between modern day and the napoleonic wars ffs

>>713685931
What happens in f:sonora

>>713681023
Pretty much. He might not be acting like a monkey, but he'd be on a hair trigger for sure.
Reminds me of Corwin of Amber's blinding and imprisonment. After he got out, he was clear that if he even thought he was gonna wind up in the same situation a second time, he was just gonna go berserk and kill every fucker he could first while setting fire to the kingdom.
Have to imagine that would be true the instant fridge boy thought he might end up confined again too. Kid would absolutely frenzy.

>>713678980 (OP)
Bathesda Fallout games are only fan games, an not the real thing. Period.

>>713690023
u can play it online here even its sick https://fallout-nevada.ru/#/Fallout_Sonora_1_14_dlc_eng

>>713678980 (OP)
I have always hated bethesda fallout but I always thought the ghoul kid meme was a fake problem. It's just a stupid random one minute sidequest that was fully intended to be absurd; it's a failure and not funny at all but it's a pretty minor sin compared to shit like the Institute being a complete narrative jam

>>713690535
I always wondered what was the institute's motivation behind the synths. Why did they create synths? And why did they want to replace everyone in Boston with them? If they did succeed, what then? If synths are so hard to control then why not just make regular robots?

>>713689906
>Any unrealistic element is license to include any other unrealistic elements regardless of degree

>>713690985
it's just a big metal wedge driven into the gears of any kind of storytelling Fallout 4 was trying to do. You can't really even headcanon around it. The writing people must have seen their story didn't function but still shipped the product because it wasn't that important.

>>713690985
>>713691174
Mad scientists need no justification.

>>713688027
>a-are those people with a darker complexion? AAAAHH SAVE ME ORANGE FOOL
your life really must suck

>>713691519
It's cynically racist.
The vault family are supposed to be representative of the general American population.
So they really ought to be Latino.

>>713691519

>>713691285
>Mad scientists need no justification.
They did that better with new vegas - Old World Blues.

>>713687314
Bethesda's art and writing team seem to think that if you don't include giant piles of trash bones and rubble everywhere then players won't know they're in the post apocalypse, and they might be right considering who plays modern Bethesda games.

>>713685931
Yes pieces of media of their own identity, there’s nothing high art concept about it
>Why does it have to be in Bethesdas wacky fun haha series?
Why Bethesda needs to make it’s wacky run haha series in Fallout ?

>>713681797

>>713678980 (OP)
In Fallout 2 you can encounter a location, where there are characters from Fallout 1, even though it takes place 100 years later.

You're a dumb nigger.

Maybe the child was lying about the length of time he was in the fridge

>>713690985
The entire institute is retarded and the person responsible for it should be pelted with rotten vegetables
>why are you being retards
>You wouldn't get it
>We need space
>We can't use the abandoned super mutant lab
>We will use the infinite energy superbeings to dig with pickaxes
>But we need rusted crap from the surface to continue functioning
>Also the teleporter is costing us too much energy, but we can't stop teleporting supermutants and defectors out
>also the teleporter can be made from junk and powered by a couple of diesel generators

>>713680893
Agree.

>>713681023
>Don't need water
>Explicit plot point in the first game is ghouls needing water.

>>713687314
Literally the only reason Fallout 3 took place 200 years in the future is so they could include the Brotherhood of Steel and one minor character from Fallout 1-2.

>>713692496
Anon, it's literally a magical dream land and/or the afterlife. Dogmeat is there even though he's 100 confirmed dead.

based
he was right about everything
nv troons seethe

>>713693006
I like the edit where he's made to look like Harry.

>>713693006
It's funny because Baldur Gate 3 and Disco Elysium largely discredited the notion that people are like that.

>>713678995

>>713685840
That's why Bethesda spent $5 million dollars to buy the IP.

>>713689321
>but having anyone looking chinky in a vault is near impossible considering their absolute hatred towards chinese
>in the same show that claimed China was innocent of all crimes
They don't want to hurt their metrics with nerd shit like lore consistency. Same reason why you can buy a pattern of Chinese prototype of power armor in Fallout 76 with Atoms™ in the Atomic Shop.

new vegas was a fluke, a good fucking fluke, but a fluke nonetheless

>>713685840
Like Baldur's Gate, it was famous with hardcore gamers in the early 00s and would have had time to build up a mythos that people would be curious to check out if it got a graphics update and looked good. I actually think that there are a lot of untapped franchises that fit this bill. They just need to be handled by people who have faith in the franchise and actually know what they're doing. A tall order for the entire mainstream entertainment industry in 2025.

Fallout 3 was still a dream game when it was released, though. Elder Scrolls with guns?! And you get to explore a modern environment?! Holy shit! People who weren't around at the time don't realize how novel that was.

>>713678980 (OP)
lorefags are too autistic lol

I've never understood this low IQ take on fantasy elements in fiction. Do brainlets genuinely not understand how suspension of disbelief works?
I can believe a man can fly, if you sell it correctly. I can't, for instance, believe a man can fly by just flapping his arms up and down really fast.

>>713685436
I think the whole tone and aesthetic of Fallout has been lost for a while now. Fallout 4 just feels like a apocalyptic looter shooter only in name. It just doesn't feel like a post apocalyptic world.

>>713685931
get the fuck out of here pete

>>713694602
>Fallout 3 was still a dream game when it was released, though. Elder Scrolls with guns?!
Fuck you, normalfag.

>>713692975
You really think Bethesda troons even played Fallout? Just look at things they angrily post that are meant to just be secrets and easter eggs.

>>713684361
>show

>>713694847
you can bend it but a nigga locked up for 200 years and his mommy living down the road is breaking it

>>713695030
Contrarians who hate everything that's popular are more vapid than 90 IQ Cowadoodie addicts and do infinitely more damage to the cause of an industry that understands what a great videogame is and is primarily geared towards making them.

You lack reading comprehension if you're completely self-assured that my jumping on point was Fallout 3, BTW.

>>713678980 (OP)
Pete Hines and Emil Pagliarulo are fucking awful. It is my genuinely belief that, were they both fired, game quality would drastically improve even as soon as the next game release.

>>713678980 (OP)
Ah yes old fallouts like
>Fallout 2 wacky meme adventure
>Fallout BOS
>Fallout Tactics
>failed Fallout Online game
I can't believe bethesda ruined such a popular and groundbreaking franchise with millions even BILLIONS of fans

>>713680903
Yes they do. Necropolis has a water purifier

>>713678980 (OP)
pete hines is a retarded cocksucking faggot
news at 11

>Oh my gosh guise a ghoul surviving in a fridge is so unrealistic and lore breaking I don't care if its a reference to Indiana Jones
...
>Oh my gosh! Is that a classic fallout pop culture reference? :O
>You get to travel through time and kick off the events of the first game??
>So epic!

>>713694294
New Vegas was basically what fallout 1 and 2 would have been like if the developers had more time to cook.

>>713696464
1: Referencing a old Star Trek episode is honestly more dignified than referencing the fourth Indiana jones movie. 2: It's a minor easter egg you are VERY unlikely to see.

>>713696630
Nice mental gymnastics cuck

>>713696736
No? It takes itself fairly seriously and is seemingly playing the quest straight.

Besides, New Vegas already did a Indiana Jones reference and it did it way better.

>>713696797
Time travel is fine to you? Lol

>>713690289
DAMN I wish i knew about this when I had my office job

>>713696836
I'm saying the Fallout 4 quest takes itself fairly serious. The easter egg in 2 is a joke, and it's even contradicted by Fallout 1 to some extent.

>>713687137

>>713682625
But your government literally experiments on you with your jabs and other shit like this. It IS realistic.
Hell the US often spreads disease and causes medical harm for experiments on the public. Things like the Tuskegee Study or Operation Sea-Spray.
Apparently China and Russia do similar but worse shit. I wouldn't be surprised if covid is that sort of thing.

Anyway, if the vaults could be used as an experiment, they would be used as an experiment. Your government's literal actions proves that they would do this. Corporations would also want this.

>>713686340
Go shill your fucking site somewhere else, faggot.
Reminder to report this shit for advertisement.
Fucking die.

>>713696464
>>Oh my gosh guise a ghoul surviving in a fridge is so unrealistic and lore breaking I don't care if its a reference to Indiana Jones
so it was a retarded and gay version of the Indian Jones joke they already put in New Vegas?