Thread 713679223

Just dominated a pair of ironhead pipeworkers, bre.

>>713679223 (OP)
>sequel has a chronological number aswell as an subtitle for its name
Why??

>>713680039
All good things come in two's

>>713679223 (OP)
10+ years and they still can't create a decent logo

>>713680039
>>713680415
If the developer was smart he wouldn't call it UnderRail2. A sequel will almost always sell less than the game before it. He can make the same game, but just don't label it as a sequel. Make people think it's a new exciting cRPG to play instead.

>>713680828
If he called it just infusion people might confuse it as just more dlc and itd sell even less.

>>713680828
I liked the previous logo better honestly.

>>713679223 (OP)
>>713680995
So it changed from UnderRail Infusion to Underrail2 Infusion?

Am I the only one who prefers the look of the old game compared to the new one?

Roland: Current Session
Level 15

General:
-soak xp
-Craft firearm pistols (skills still too low for this)
-craft electronics at some point
-Crafting focus stim is now a go- go back and round up all those organs at some point (weight limited, consider more inventory management)
-get Temporal Manipulation up to 70 for Stasis, eat psi pill and get Stasis(reaching stasis is impossible, needs 3 more levels for 70 TM)
-craft a ton of JHP and w2 (weight restricted, chemistry not high enough unless I bump my INT earlier)
-buy .44 ammo and 7.62 ammo
-big stash piles in Junkyard, Core City
-heavy quest items in front of train in SGS
-buy extra jon's special
Core City XP run:
-Do as much of the Arena as possible
-kill sewer muties in trapdoor section (revisit, was too hard)
-Mechanics repair the tunneller (need more skill points)
-Hercules drug setup (done)
-Join Coretech and do as much of Coretech as you can (hack not high enough yet, spiders too bs, can't do it)
-stealth thru protectorate or get 10 shield emitters (stealth too ass, need 3 more shield emitters)

current feelings on build, 3/10, shoulda been an SMG guy

>>713679223 (OP)
I dont even care about the faggy new font. that is the pitfall of everyone who make a perfect font the first time and have to ruin it the second time to fake progress
what really grinds my gears is that R in Rail is no longer capitilized
WTF

>>713681472
He changed it to underrail 2 because of how much enginework has been done.
It was previously just going to be the equivalent of a giant expansion until that

>>713681730
3/10? damn, and you feel its worth continuing?

>>713680828
If he was smart he'd call it undertale2

>>713681997
Shame. I kinda wanted to continue my character.

>>713682341
Well, I've been stuck on worst builds.

I was told by /v/ that Pistol Firearms made the best build. Just the process of getting there has been a slog.

>>713682740
Have you killed Wyatt Pear? His pistol is like the best in the game

>>713680995
i see you you little bastard

>>713682740
been a while since i last played underrail and even longer since i did a pistol run
i remember my last run i had a suppressed luger or something kitted out to hell and back, it was capable of silently killing a lot of things with a sneak attack
i recall going through the grey army base with it and i felt like sam fisher just picking them off one by one with it
they've updated the game since i last played and you can retrofit unique weapons at the black dude in rail crossing or whatever that small town with the faceless problem is called
get that .44 from the junkyard guy and retrofit it and it'll be your best friend for the rest of the game

>>713682895
Yesh. took like 25 frag mines. the dude was a GOD
imo his pistol is mega overrated. only 6 shots. it's nice that it gets one shot for zero AP once per combat session but high AP costs + unreliable + low range is hard to work with. the ZC 99 has performed better overall

how do I get into this game?

>>713683491
grow a desire to succeed over its challenges

>>713683491
Don't play dominating so you aren't hardlocked into infinite rng resetfests or unsolvable situations because your build is shit.
Go enjoy the game world for a while and make a new dominating run for build autism if thats what you enjoy in games.

>>713683491
Start with either Normal or Hard, realize that the first build or so might fail, soak in the atmosphere, look up a build if you want, etc.

>>713683491
this game is all about build autism so you should just play on Normal the first time, Hard is actually hard and Dominating is a knowledge check

>>713683193
I'm pretty sure when I get Roland to the point he can craft something decent, he'll be good. Bullet Time + Stasis and such should be amazing. But right now it's shooting the .44 magnum at 83% hit chance twice and just dropping the ball

>>713680039
To prevent it being confused for an expansion or remake.

>>713682740
Firearms pistol is strong, but I usually make it a versatility build that scales off melee with 3 per. Your gun skill scale with dex while also reducing AP cost. Paired with crits you will be 1 shotting most things.

>>713685680
Are people really that stupid?

>>713685938
Of course they are, what kind of question is that?

>>713686009
Would think the Underrail market wasn't filled with blithering retards.

>>713679223 (OP)
new logo is too high tech

>>713685736
So far, playing several builds, firearm pistols feels pretty mid. Better than Shotguns, feels like it has a lot of potential, but a lot of the early game resorts to trap spamming and stealth, and it feels like it has a pretty stiff reliance on crafting (and anything that gets deep into crafting is amazing).
All the Psi builds and knife or fist I've done so far were better, and SMG was obviously way better.

>>713688212
never done an SMG build but thinking of doing that next run. Then again, I also want to do a heavy weapons build too....

>>713688401
smg is pretty similar to shotguns with more consistency and less damage
and the unique smg you get early is pretty good

>>713688212
It's just that your build sucks, by level 15 you should be able to wipe the floor with most enemies. Knife and fist are just simpler to build for and have the best unique wespons that can even shit on crafted ones.

>>713688523
Sounds like something I should pursue. I tried a shotgun build once but dropped it after a 100+ hours.

>>713680828
That's that bullshit publishers do with fantasy books nowadays and it's a fucking awful practice. I fucking read what I thought was the exposition for the setting of a book and thought to myself "damn this would make a good ass story in and of itself... hold on". Googled it and found out I just spoiled book 1. Nowhere was it fucking labeled that I was on book 2. Thank god it was in Barnes and Noble so I just read a bit and didn't check out but the author and publisher ensured I won't be reading their shit again.

>>713688695
Read Gene Wolf

>>713688613
you can also get this thing by wiping out the protectorate past the elevator in junkyard if you don't mind the absurd cost of crafting electric bullets

>>713688827
Nice, great to know. Shame it's Protectorate though, considering they sell gun oil which is fantastic for gun builds, hmm...

>>713683491
the game is hard on normal if you go in blind. But you SHOULD go in blind and don't be a minmax fag looking up builds and shit. It's possible to get through the game even if you're a complete retard with how you allocate your stats and abilities. People will recommend starting over after a certain point if you feel you fucked up your build, but the beginning of the game is the most boring part and you can course correct meaning it's pretty easy to figure out where you fucked up based on what the game is demanding from you wherever you are in it and fix it on level ups. There is a soft unmarked point of no return. Don't read if you truly want to go in blind when the earthquakes start happening, don't investigate them, instead wrap up everything you want to do. The questline locks you into a massive hub until you beat the last boss and underleveled or undergeared it is a nightmare.

>>713688801
I tried. This, Tigana, and Darkness that Comes Before were too much for my midwitedness

>>713688931
gun lube isn't as good with smgs because you will fire 60-100 bullets per turn

>>713689093
He can be pretty difficult to get into, but once it clicks it really clicks.

What's the difference between Phreak and Oligarchs questline? I just met him, but I kinda wonder why Phreak exists at all.

>>713689229
it's just an easter egg to allow you to skip the oligarchs and arena if you want
you also get a 20% detection bonus feat for doing his ridiculous puzzle

>>713689229
So that you're not forced to join an oligarch

>>713689229
>>713689360
You can do both if you do phreak first.

>>713688546
>It's just that your build sucks
no
with wyatt's .44 magnum it takes a 10 turn cooldown to deal with a single burrower warrior. Bullet Time + Adrenaline -> Quick Draw, and all the shots later WITH no 1/20 misses and getting mostly crits with w2 rounds, the Warrior is dead. now the pistol needs a reload we're out of cooldowns, so it's resorting to nade/trap manipulation to deal with the waves of burrowers and spawn before the shield emitter runs out and hoping the pistol shots aren't whiffs.
again, not the worst build but it's landing pretty mid. Like swords

>>713688801
ahhh a fellow Gene Wolfe enjoyer, also in an underrail thread. unsurprised

>>713689864
I saw a pistol build dominate the abomination (that has something like 18k hp) easily.

>>713690037
like I said if I can actually get to level 26ish state I'm sure firearm pistol is going to be just fine. just getting there has been a chore. lots of backtracking 6 screens to buy another couple dozen traps, gear swapping, and reloading the game after bumpy RNG more than other builds

>>713689864
>wyatt's .44 magnum
You should have crafted a .44 hammerer with rapid reloader already. His pistiol is an early game crutch for the free shot in your offhand slot. If you want a real mid to endgame unique use the upgraded deagle since it can stun in point blank range. But you need to clear the lunatic mall for that.

>>713689647
Oh nice, so it’s beneficial to fuck Phreak over
>>713689360
But why wouldn’t you?

>>713689864
What is your crit damage bonus at this point

is expedition the only real expansion?

>>713690542
Yeah. Heavy Duty was just an experiment

>>713690542
Yeah, heavy duty is just launcher+mg+lmg (which are fun builds) and an ungodly minor side dungeon

>>713688827
I was using that as side weapon on the SMG run. refurbished NFR90 with electric rounds was a great weapon for putting virtually guaranteed damage on something. it's very good for its reliability

>>713690542
yes

>>713690363
yes and that's one extra shot. that's why I said wyatt's .44 magnum is overrated. it's good but it's not that good. but the whole weapon type has consistency issues, and the feat sink and crafting reliance of pistol firearms is part of the whole pie of why it gets a lower rating
>>713690526
like 155% or w/e

>>713690881
Is the dungeon that bad?

>>713691297
Its just tedious like DC (final game area), not the most fun to go through

>>713687829
Its meant to be in the higher tech part of the north Underrail past the dead zone from the heavy duty expansion

>>713681730

If you're level 15 and can't stealth through the Protectorate, can't deal with muties in the sewers and are still using 7.62 instead of two .44 hammerers, your build has gone massively wrong somewhere.
Pistol builds definitely suck dick for the early levels, to the point where it's worth just using an AR until you get a couple of levels. However, they are without a doubt the most powerful firearm build once you get bullet time and psycho-temporal contraction, both things you should already have access to.
You only get stronger when you hit Stasis due to the double bullet time/adrenaline/contraction turns, but the fact that you're level 15, don't have the stats to craft anything useful and still struggle to kill things makes me wonder where the fuck you put your points. You didn't fall for the versatility/gun-fu meme did you?

>>713692123
yet we are still not going to Hexagon

Shark best jetski

>>713693042
Why? I was just looking to buy a jetski actually.

>>713693090
Looks cool, extremely good defensive coverage, shoots rockets, decently fast.

>>713693090
>>713693265
Also forgot large engine slot. Fastest jetski that can use a large engins (means more storage / hauling weight limit)

>>713692526
7.62 is for shooting rats. go start a new build and level up to 15. I've been doing chunks of the game simultaneously with other builds and firearm pistols has been the runt of the batch. and yes that's real stealth at 3 agi with stealth equip. It's just underwhelming.
it's not the regular sewer muties, that group practically killed themselves. it's one of the random bonus levels. things like that and things like joe de pacino and hathor mine that suck ass. level 10 and you can invest 60 base skill points into a crafting skill and you can pass weapon off but it doesn't change the build. the whole gunslinger stuff is just not been on the same level of robustness as these other builds.

3/10 build, easy. not very reliable, not very flexible, lots of inventory management

>>713693265
>>713693347
Nice, I might pick up that then. I was eyeing the biocorp one but that is obscenely expensive.

>>713693495
>3 agility
Nigger why?

Your dump stats should be Will (because TM doesn't give a shit about Will), Strength and Con. With the 70 guns and throwing you should have at level 12, you can easily handle most encounters with molotovs/flashbangs/shooting them in the face with a guaranteed crit Aimed Shot.

My most recent playthrough was pistols with some throwing knives to capitalise on Fatal Throw, I vehemently reject the idea that a build that can easily one turn kill an entire room is not "robust".

>>713693781
The devastator is better in all combat stats than the shark but the shark is almost twice as fast. Any jetski faster than the shark has way worse combat stats, especially durability, so the shark is the fastest combat jetski which is why it's my favorite, I like going fast but I still want a jetski with combat stats not pure speed. The glow is actually very similar the shark in that it's fast, has awesome combat stats, and has an offensive weapon (shoots lasers instead of rockets) but the glow only gets a medium engine instead of a large so it can't haul as much. I use the jetski as loot storage so the large engine is the main reason I choose shark over the glow but glow would be my second choice.

>>713694129
>reject the idea that a build that can easily one turn kill an entire room is not "robust".

at level 25+
that's not robust

I use the Aegis jet because you get one for free (maybe you have to kill someone and take his, but killing is free) and it has good round stats and is nice and fast if you put two engines in it.
I think the game would probably be better if the Aegis/Protectorate jets were a little worse so there'd be more incentive to buy one of the unique ones.

>>713694129
>Nigger why?
agility is the most dump stat of the game bro
getting movement points is easy
only one real skill is influenced by agility, and that skill is easy to supplement
and if you ever wear anything with armor penalty then everything invested into agility goes to waste

>>713694304
You can do it sooner, it becomes braindead once you get Stasis but it's not necessary. Bullet Time, Adrenaline and Contraction are more than enough for most encounters outside of Expedition.

Hell, Rapid Fire alone can kill at Burrower at level 12. But if you're the sort of person to take 3 agility on a non-tin-can firearms build I can only assume what an unholy mess your build is.

>>713679223 (OP)
Playing indie slop when you could be playing neverwinter nights. What a retard.

>>713694490
You need 7 agility for Hit and Run, which is an incredible skill for pistol builds as it allows you to get into the evasion cut range for every enemy you fight. You also don't wear anything with armour penalty as your core armour is an imbued rathound overcoat.

>>713694470
If you find the reef glider during the DLC you can sell it to ray for 20 000 which is more than enough to buy the devastator or even 2 non devastator jetskis, so I think of it like getting 1 or 2 jetskis for free as a quest reward for the quest that has the reef glider.

>>713694492
stasis is behind 8 deathstalkers
and no rapid fire alone doesn't kill a burrower at level 12 without a good amount of luck. they have 420 effective hp vs. w2c rounds on dominating. best crafted hammer you can make combined with max effective gun skill at that level comes up 50 some damage short, on average, and ignoring the 1/20 entirely.

don't need hit and run. there's tons of movement between base movement points, footwear, jumping bean, and contraction. 25 movement points AFTER you kill and enemy for a feat and 4 stat points is just stupid

>>713694492
Pistols shine if you treat them like melee weapons that use ammo. I think this is level 20. Per is not even needed, special shots can be replaced with passive crit from 9 con SI

>>713694778
by the time you get the reef glider I dont' think you need a jetski upgrade for virtual in-universe bragging rights. you're like the underrail equivalent of bezos buying his third superyacht

tbqh I don't bother with jetski upgrades anymore. the one I get from aegis is good enough. just needs to get me around and not implode when looked at

>>713695494
wow

>>713695507
There's tons of stuff to do with jetskis after you get the reef glider, including over 50% of the DLC let alone all the optional water areas in the non DLC part of the game. Yes you can live without a cool jetski but that can be said of any cool item in the game

>>713695253
Hit and run procs multiple times a turn, in a build where you're aiming to end the fight in one/two turns. Neglecting the ability to move after every kill is retarded when you're killing 5+ enemies a turn and they're not all going to run at you.

>>713695770
you're overestimating hit and run movement and underestimating all the movement from other sources. 30+25+30+10 is already more than enough movement points.
most dominating combat is finishing in 2 turns, I've done a dozen builds. I've dumped agility on almost all of them. Agility is the most dumpable attribute in the game.

>>713696115
have you ever done a build which doesn't need temporal though

Styg is removing crit builds for Underrail 2. How are we feeling?

>>713696248
yes. In reflection they all probably could have been improved by TM tho.

>>713696363
I have no idea. Styg made the shield bash feat. Who knows?

>>713696363
That would suck, but the shown combat already ruled out glass cannon builds since the enemy can attack you in your turn so melee builds will also suck. I guess I'll have to settle for tincan AR build for once.

>>713696363
Isn't he just removing crit chance stacking? Because if that's the case ambush will still work at least. Assuming ambush still exists.

tin canning is overrated by the guys who never tincan let me tell you

>>713696579
yeah that was it.

>>713696610
Mobile tin can is the way to go.

>>713696610
>>713696821
Isn't tincan what most noobs start with?

>>713696821
Yeah, I either always go for mobile tincan or additive stack DR's with morphine to 95%, depending if I have strength to utilize or not

Have you heard about CHEM PISTOLS?
CHEM PISTOLS are the best weapon in the game
CHEM PISTOLS are great main weapon or sidearm
CHEM PISTOLS have an answer for every encounter
CHEM PISTOLS are DOMINATING approved
CHEM PISTOLS are FUN

>>713697991
Chem pistols are basically unusable until after Depot A

>>713698075
why do you say that?

>>713698075
Only if you signed the Geneva convention

I'm doing Phreaks phone quest and it's so tiresome...

>>713698454
I enjoy doing it. it's not that hard

>>713698489
nooo.....

>>713698454
>>713698489
I used to cheat by recording it but I've gotten good enough at it over time that I can do it unaided now. Feels weird.

>>713698784
I just use a notepad and type the numbers corresponding to the notes in the dialogue options as I hear them. I'd say I get it right about 80% of the time at the start and by the end of the quest I'm doing it 100% right all the way through. There's a certain set of background noises that always throw me off at first.

Tin Can builds are for real chads
just go clanking down the map
clank clank clank
stealth? fuck you pussy i'm gonna clank
stealth: 0 points invested
clank clank clank
come at me, i'm basically invulnerable, i'm wearing super steel tin can made from 3000 melted stygians

>>713697991
I've always wanted to try that. Acid pistols, incendiary pistols, yeah. Sounds great

>>713679223 (OP)
what weapon should a beginner start with?

>>713699450
Not melee and not crossbows.
You can do either of them if you really want though.

>>713699450
SMGs
unironically OP and easy to use

>>713699430
UnderRail: enjoy WARCRIMES

>>713698771
someone had the audacity of saying that Styg is a bad person and UnderRail is a bad game because Phreak's phone quest is impossible for the hearing impaired

>>713699203
>enters a lunatic camp
>dies instantly

>>713700031
pffft, must have been resetera or reddit. Reminds me of a "Underrail is a nazi dog whistle" thread a friend showed me once.

>>713699852
Do they beat psi monk?

energy or chemical pistols?

>>713700802
in ease of use SMGs are much better than psi-monk.
in actual total power and optimized, they're fighting for first place

>>713680504
To be fair, I think it's all one dude
Graphics clearly ain't his forte

>>713687829
If my lore is right, north underrail is more cyberpunk than south which is basically cave Australia

>>713701702
warcrimes are more fun but energy weapons are probably easier to optimize

>>713699450
Tin can assault riffle build with temporal manipulation is the most reliable
Just be aware it's boring to just burst fire anything and everything

i keep starting this game every couple of years, getting to core city, then stopping for years

>>713702343
Shame. I greatly prefer cave Australia. The last thing I want in Underrail is more high tech shit.

>>713702601
Seems extra dimensional fuckery is more prevalent up north tho
Guess south had a lot of shit keeping it in check like the monoliths

>>713702559
Alternatively, Thought Control + Assault Rifle.
Steamrolls through the game while giving you access to lore tidbits.

I just swapped to my level 12 psi-monk to clear the same sections of core city that my levels 13-14 gunslinger just did
he has literally a fraction of the item preparation the gunslinger had.
and he just deleted two of the gang groups with no prep or even effort and zero savescumming

gunslinger firearms poopy

>>713701702
They're both fun.
I'm partial to chem pistols because it's amusing to run around in CAU gear and melt people after gassing them while they burn covered in napalm, but energy pistols are very nice to use.
The best energy weapon isn't a pistol, however.

>>713702751
Yeah, fists are broken, we know.

>>713702751
Gunslinger needs a lot to pull off, but has a higher ceiling
I doubt your psi monk will survive the black sea as easy as a properly decked out gunslinger with all ammo types and the proper feats

>>713702751
Nah your build is poopy, gunslinger strong. Only the very beginning is hard from core city on it's smooth sailing.

What should I play next between:
SMGs
Firearm Pistols
Shotguns
Heavy Guns

>>713703067
Tin can, no psi, swordsman

>>713703110
anon that wasnt one of the options...

>>713703173
I'm a giver

>>713703067
heavy guns with the heavy duty dlc weapons

>>713702751
You either have a shit build or a shit gun. Firearm pistols are one of the strongest builds in the game, psi-monk is average at best.

>>713698334
Because it's basically impossible to get one before depot A.

>>713703067
I literally can't recommend Shotguns ever.
It's just the shittiest version of using a Gun possible.
Do SMGs then Firearm Pistols on two different saves at the same time!

>>713703249
>psi monk is average at best
It's the strongest build in the game for sure.

>>713703282
Objectively wrong.
You can get good quality (up to 100q) Incendiary Collector at Blaine's.
It's easier to get Acid Collectors, since Fixer will sell you good stuff right away, but those are obviously useless if you plan to clear Depot A with one such pistol.

>>713703249
no dude. there's no way
>>713703041 might be right in the end- we'll see when I get there- but for the first 75% of the game gunslinger doesn't click

there's a reason why Carnifex doesn't use a dumb handgun

>>713688827
arent uniques sorta shit compared to crafted weapons? are there some that avoid that trend?

>>713703556
Pistols start growing exponentially around level 15

>>713703627
They got massively buffed a few updates ago. They all got buffed, and you can get them upgraded in Rail Crossing to buff them again.

>>713703556
>no dude. there's no way
I'm telling you, you're not supposed to struggle that much with a gunslinger. Admittedly the mid levels (12 to 16) are a bit weak on the versatility variants depending how you do it.
Post your build.
>there's a reason why Carnifex doesn't use a dumb handgun
Yeah, because when you have cheated stats you don't need a weapon. He doesn't have psi either, doesn't mean that psi is weak.

>all the cool plotlines that don't get resolved like the ezra-wyatt-abram shit
Hope styg continues it in infusion

>>713703536
With an incredibly small chance to spawn. If you aren't using the cheat engine to refresh merchant inventories then the vast majority of the time you will never see one before depot a.

>>713703627
nta but as former user of NF R90 it's in a sort of unique position to buck that trend. it shoots 4 extra rounds in a burst which is more than any other weapon AND it has an expanded mag built in.
5mm shock rounds deal 8-15 electric damage per round, so even on a bad day it can be gnarly

>>713703627
They're kinda shit if you spending hundreds of points in multiple crafting skills.
They're fantastic if you're not bothering with crafting. Just the fact that you're saving a boatload of skill points can make a huge difference in character building.

>>713703761
nice. thats worth doing a new non-crafting run for. i should probably look into mods too if there are any good ones.

>>713704024
Get the one that enables all random content
I can't describe to you how it feels to find out you got coral instead of booth 5 hours in

>>713703952
nta but pretty sure mercantile skill influences the odds you get good items on a merchant and you can get find quite a few things quite reliably anymore. I think styg stealth buffed getting a lot of items before finishing depot A.

>>713703965
>>713704000
ive always liked the uniques then get really sad they each one i test is just not worth the effort so its good to know they are usable now

>>713703952
You can use an acid gun to clear non-mutants, your high chemistry makes depot A a joke regardless (doubly so if you have tailoring as well).
Even assuming that you get two unlucky merchant resets in a row at Blaine's, building toward chem pistols makes it easier to clear Depot A, not harder.

>>713704076
thanks, ill check it out. already brainstorming what to build for.

>>713703067
shotgun is boring imo
only one of them is worth investing and you get the unique ones very late into the game

>>713704480
Yea i think im gonna do full tin can heavy guns

>want to play more Underrail
>also about to pass out from lack of sleep
Fuuuuck

Would you guys want to live in Underrail? I would.

>>713704560
Post your spread

>>713704942
no. I mean the setting literally seems inspired by humanity having to survive in an underground hell

>>713704942
No way.
Unless I could be an SGS citizen, then it would be okay.

>>713705113
More like underground paradise!
>>713705195
They have it pretty comfy

>>713705054
Dumping initiative stats and int might be a terrible idea but i've never played full tincan and I don't really feel like crafting so idk if there's a better point allocation. Also not sure what feats to take first, thinking conditioning for the extra defense since i'll be getting hit alot and paranioa to help make up for my shitty initiative

>>713705404
>full tincan
>I don't really feel like crafting
Those two things are not compatible.

>>713705404
Wouldnt crafting be pretty important for heavy guns considering the ammo costs?
I’m just guessing.

>>713699852
is this another tin can build? what armors are good for it?

>>713683491
You download an older version of the game before psi was gutted

>>713705509
well can i just craft with low int or are the feats kinda mandatory? idk what i would drop for more int

>>713705559
Ammo isn't that bad. But >>713705509 is right since you need to make your own armor. It's not optional, crafted is way fucking better than bought/found.

>>713705838
Eat your mushrooms like a good little zoner

>>713705404
less CON more INT

>>713694490
>agility is the most dump stat of the game bro
Agility has some of the best feats in the game, bro. Sprint alone is an S+ tier feat. Automatic movement points, regardless of armor penalty, is great. Agility is also mandatory on melee builds, unless you're running a meme refrigerator hammer build or something. I don't think there is a true "dump" stat in Underrail, it's all build dependent. The closest thing I could say is constitution, and I don't personally like running 3 con glass cannons.

>>713703067
Heavy guns take a while to get rolling, mainly due to ammo. You will cry having to waste a full burst on some pipeworker that survived with 1HP. You can always carry a pistol to one-tap in those scenarios. I like blitz pump shotguns. Combat shoguns are not very good, unfortunately. I'm not a fan of SMGs.

>>713705564
SMGs so good you can basically design it to wear whatever you want, which is stupid because it's an all-out offense > defense kind of style anyway so the fact it's pretty easy to be kitted out to tank a round is unfair.
anyway, most SMG builds I see just go for the very practical tactical vest

>>713685938
You are stupid for not understanding what an effective title is. Not others, you specifically.

>>713705998
>You will cry having to waste a full burst on some pipeworker that survived with 1HP.
One silly thing you can do if you have spare AP is unload your gun, drop all of your ammo except one or two bullets, then reload and shoot.
It's annoying to do so I only bother really early on, but it does work. As long as you have the AP to unload/reload at least.

>>713706215
aight. that works out for me. ive gone light armor and heavy armor but never the middle ground.

>>713705915
>well can i just craft with low int
Yes, but with low INT it takes a while (read: get a house and brainpills) before you can make good armor.
Due to how crafting metal armor works, you'll have to invest a lot into mechanics if you want to make good quality stuff with multiple plates.
>are the feats kinda mandatory
Only for nimble cans.
>idk what i would drop for more int
CON isn't really that relevant on a ranged tin can. But 3 INT is doable if you really want to.

>>713679223 (OP)
do i need autism to enjoy this?

>>713705915
Will is the obvious one. Bullet trance isn't really important.

>>713706925
Have you enjoyed other CRPGs in the past?

>>713707148
no

>>713706925
No, but you seem autistic.

>>713706925
I think the game gives people autism
I couldn't get past like, the third quest for a couple years.
Then I did and now I have autism

>>713707174
What attracts you to Underrail?

>>713707264
sseth made a video about it.

>>713707301
Surely something more caught your eye than that. The world, the mechanics?

>>713707465
no i just do whatever youtubers tell me.

>>713689093
wolfe and bakker I can understand, but how the fuck do you get filtered by tigana

I love not finding out that your build is fucked until you hit the junkyard area, about 15 fucking hours in

>>713707746
>junkyard is 15 hours in
gotta be a troll

>>713707746
Even a fucked up build can clear the game on Normal.

>>713707817
For first timers it is.

>>713708107
>pretending to be retarded

>>713708210
NO, IT IS TRUE!

it's never taken me this long to find a medicine pouch belt before wtf

For me, it's the psi monk.

No weapons or tools, just the body and the mind overcoming all obstacles.

So chief of SGS security leaves to investigate stuff and starts a gang in the meantime. Is anyone going to stop him. Why is SGS such a freak magnet.

>>713680039
because it was initially an expansion but Styg is a fucking autistic retard that doesn't know when to stop and not fix what isn't broken so its devolved into an entirely different game

>>713708665
Can you book a brother up with a build for Dominating?

>>713708725
me, when he willingly steps on my acid puddle and his entire gang becomes hostile

>>713708725
He always was a gangster. He's the reason why the Omega got into a war with SGS, he's too hotheaded for peace.

>>713679223 (OP)
why the red circles

I know sledge hits harder but spear's versatility and a ranged attack that is effectively a one-hit sniper shot is too good

>>713709046
Where can I read about the initial expansion plans? The codex?

>>713680039
Not just that but the graphic for the title looks like it was made in some shitty programs 10 years before the first game's graphic

>>713709046
>Styg is a fucking autistic retard that doesn't know when to stop and not fix what isn't broken so its devolved into an entirely different game
Based.

>>713708725
because that's what works. Tanner's system works.
Everyone in SGS is brilliant in some way. Abram's file SGS says a lot about how well positioned they are. Chief of SGS security's little gang actually opens up a ton of potential for SGS expansion into the most important city in the region.

>>713709104
and omega being cleared was a pure boon for SGS

>>713709083
chill with the warcrimes bro and he'd probably let you be, ok

>>713709181
Underrail 2 looks graphically better, but i prefer the style of the first game, dig?

>>713708665
your fists are disappointed in you
>>713709189
Except Gorsky effectively uses SGS resources for his own ends.

>>713702564
I can see how it can be overwhelming, but that's when the game jumped from passable to great. I probably spent 2 hours my first visit to core city methodically lockpicking and pickpocketing everything that wasn't nailed down, getting intel from NPCs, shopping, accepting and doing quests, and doing the first few rounds in the arena. Maybe more than that, I remember being there for a while before I left.
>>713707174
definitely not for you
>>713707254
I can agree with this.
>>713707626
Might have just been bored instead of filtered. I can't remember.

>>713709184
it's not based.
this shit with 1-4 person team indie dev shit where they work on their own engine for 1000 years to possibly never actually release a sequel is so stupid.
when your first game makes real money what you do is stop being a retarded, hire some talent, remake your game in Unity or someshit with improvements in 11 months and sell it for another huge sum, etc. etc.

>>713709273
I'm talking about the graphic of the title you illiterate nigger, not the graphics of the game.

>>713709189
Tanner, Gorsky is posting on the net again!

>>713709472
‘s cool, we’re cool.

Talk to the oligarchy? Alright, Tannner. I'll become a crime boss again and take over the slums so I can drive the protectorate out of the South.

>>713709461
>remake your game in Unity
Fuck off retard.

>>713709159
going through old devlogs on the stygian site is probably the only coherent source

>>713709189
t. (((Yevgeni Zolnerowich)))

>>713709184
I do not think its based because Underrail was one of my favourite crpgs and Underrail 2 looks so drastically different that my interest in the sequel at all is MASSIVELY diminished
the new "roguelike" time system is asinine and so are the excessive amounts of animations you now have to sit through

>>713709628
>so I can drive the protectorate out of the South.
unironically a good move

>>713709748
I personally like the ideas behind the changes.
Working toward a better combat system is a good thing in my book.

>>713709638
Found it.
https://www.stygiansoftware.com/underrail/devlogs/64-version-1110-is-out.html
This was the first ever mention of Infusion and it was always meant to be standalone with a new character.

>>713709628
A weakened Core due to weaker Oligarchs will be more easily subdued by the Protectorate, that's a fact.

>>713709048
It's not very complicated, friend. Everything that makes you hit harder, take it. And also take a variety of psy powers so you can control the battlefield, putting people into places where you can hit them easier. Psy wall is particularly powerful to split enemy forces, or just isolate one or two of them so you can beat the fuck out of them without a crowd.

>>713709813
Not really? Like, a big point of the entire game is how little anyone matters and is different from each other. They're all acting in their own self-interest at the end of the day. Only Camp Hathor, Foundry, and Rail Crossing are decent factions.

>>713709748
>roguelike" time system
What, first time I’m hearing of this. What’s up?

Mods to unfuck psi when?

>>713710015
god you must worship so much authoritarian cock irl to think that was a big point of the game

>>713710069
Action-by-action system with concurrent resolution.
Go watch the video, it's pretty self-explanatory.

>>713710123
psi is fine

>>713710008
I will dominate

>>713709461
what are you a failed exec?
Let the big boys make products for consoom and let the indies live out their autistic dreams

>>713710290
hardcore

>>713710217
Oh no. I see what you mean. Nooooo!!!
Dont change what works!

>>713710303
make more money to make more good games
its' that simple
autistically coding for 1000 years in your dank commie block because you wanna believe it fulfills some autistic dream that sticks it to the man is stupid

>>713690494
If you work for CoreTech he's fine. I did that my last run since I want the damn house too.
His sound puzzle was an interesting idea, but I won't ever do it again.

>>713710649
He's fine with CoreTech but not the two others?

>>713710467
>"turn" based combat where you win round 1 before enemies get to act
>works
Anon, please.

>>713690494
>But why wouldn’t you?
Because you need to fight to progress with the oligarchs.
If you go for the Phreak route you only need to fight bit T, theoretically.

I have literally never joined Praetorian Security in any of my playthroughs. no benefits with them. I just can't understand

>>713710752
Phreak has a different fate based on which Oligarch you work for. Coretech still fucks him over (from Phreak's point of view) but he's still healthy and working like he likes to, unlike his other fates.

he usually dies so I can have his glove in my universe, so

>>713710917
Nice, good to know
>>713710894
Seems kinda redundant considering Underrail is based around fighting.

>>713682507
If my memory serves (I don't want to look through Styg's blogs correct me if I'm wrong) Infusion was designed as a stand alone campaign that would have used the improved engine he was developing for Underrail 2, meant to secure money for 2's development. Infusion would have had a separate main character than who you played in Underrail 1, and I took that as to mean in Underrail 2 you'd be playing as the SGS savior from 1. So now that Infusion is Underrail 2 I don't know what that means for the progression of the plot, whether it's still a new character handling something else and Underrail 2 has now been pushed back into being Underrail 3, or if he's scrapped the new character/campaign idea and he's just using the Infusion branding to continue on with whatever his original plans for Underrail 2 were.

>>713711046
The first part is correct at least.

>>713710917
>he usually dies so I can have his glove in my universe, so
a bit psychopathic

>>713711046
Underrail 2 will be the Metro 2034 of the Underrail universe.

>>713709595
NO WE'RE NOT
I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS... THIS DRAWING
IT'S BAD AND DATED AND GGHHHHHHRRRRHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>713711532
I don't like it either, much too sleek, and the gold looks like shit.

>>713711196
That's how south underrail is

I wish your psi had more options in dialogue options
Kinda weird the mind controller doesn't do any actual mind controll

>>713688695
I had a similar thing happen, but it was the first book of a second trilogy. I started reading it and thought "wow, the author really put some detail into these characters all having history" and I didn't realise until half way through that it wasn't just character backstory fluff, it was literally the events of the first trilogy.

>>713711876
styg doesn't understand how navigating dialogue trees based upon your character sheet can be a fulfilling cRPG experience.

>>713710917
I've joined all three. JKK is arguably my least favorite, but I don't have strong feelings about the three; usually go Coretech just for the Tactical Respirator helm.

>>713711952
Using psychokinesis to bypass strength checks and TM to bypass agility checks should also be a thing

>>713711295
I liked 2034 but there's a reason they haven't adapted it, the plot would need even more reworking to fit enough action into it than 2033's did. Otherwise it would just be listening to Homer wax poetic and then get blueballed out of committing a massacre at the end.

>>713711992
JKK wins for having an interesting quest chain. Some good writing and dialogue happens there and that's uncommon.

>>713711014
>Seems kinda redundant considering Underrail is based around fighting.
Considering the Arena was the only mandatory combat in the game before that addition, I think it makes sense.

>>713712128
Oh, I didn't realize Phreak was added post launch.

>>713712252
there was a whole item type added in the last year lol

Any release date for infusion?

>>713712393
Nope, not yet

>>713711046
I once knew a dude who went by the name of Styx. He was always walking around the small town of Buffalo, Wyoming, always wearing a black hoodie no matter how fucking hot or cold it got, his attire never changed.


I think this Styx is his spiritual brother.

>>713680504
SMARR INDIE COMPANYU PREASE UNDERSTANDU.

Now if you'll excuse them, they'll nerf Psionics instead of buffing other shit to match it in brokeness.

>>713712640
>traps still untouched

>>713712252
>Oh, I didn't realize Phreak was added post launch.
A shitload of stuff was added post-launch, like unique uniforms for the Core City factions.
The biggest addition is probably the map.

>>713712640
>nerf Psionics instead of buffing other shit to match it in brokeness
Good. Broken rocket tag is dumb.
>>713712751
>>traps still untouched
>he didn't play the game when quick tinkering was broken

>>713712114
I'll have to give it another go if I ever hate myself enough to do a crossbow build.

No build is as done dirty as crossbow builds
Enjoy being the inferior sniper with access to gimmicks and support utilities in a solo game
If they added a pet, it would unironically become the best weapon, alone it's absolutely ass
Just a robotics or taming next game so you can have a meat shield without sacrificing the "one man vs the world" part of underrail identity

>>713712892
crossbows are genuinely awful
the only thing they have going for them is they are quiet

>>713707508
Then no.

Also kill yourself, Zoomer.

>>713713035
you have a variety of bolts to use though

>>713713220
Gimmicks

>>713713076
>the only thing they have going for them is they are quiet
this is one of the things that seems so absurd with psychokinesis. you can proxy telekinetic punch one-turn tap just about anything and it's completely and utterly silent.

>>713713273
use em better

they're like grenades. don't worry about em being expendable or limited, just use em whenever they work

it will be OK

>>713713035
You want to be M'lan Ratula?

>>713713541
Who doesn't

>>713713635
>feat lets you actually become the heir of the rathound king

I don't want to do DC again. Those cyborg sextupletniggers can't make me.

>>713714119
you'll do it and you'll smile

i didnt even know there was another dlc after expedition. are the new weapons fun?

>>713714421
Yeah but you have to build for them for some time in waht is essentially end game dlc

>>713710529
you've lost your soul at some point brother and forgot that SOVL is the only thing that matters

oh my god this psi-monk is so easy to play

>>713714958
post build?

Underrail, just like Sunless Sea, lets me live out my subterranean fantasies.

I like crossbows with versatility and acid gun for free crits

>>713697991
nuh uh

>playing dominating for the first time
>did a shit build so my character is starting to struggle in the late game
>grab the chem pistol from the acid gang
>melt everything in my path
>???
>profit

>>713715136
https://underrail.info/build/?DQgIBwMDCAYAAABLHgAPNC0yAAVLEAAAAEsAIx4ANytpGTkUIE4SKsOM374

it's a thoughtless disaster and all I have as a weapon is The Claw from the sewers and I'm making nonstop dumb mistakes yet everything is ez

>>713715845
you would be better off dropping the crossbow for a fire pistol

>>713716038
>hit and run on melee

>>713716184
some anon here suggested it

>>713716184
Yes? It fucking dominates.

>>713716345
I'll get that.. like, sometime

>>713716184
Stronger than you might think when you 1-2 tap & explode things with fists.

>>713715980
mean to reply
>>713698075

>>713716061
But you can't pretend to be a crossbow build if you do that

>make a build
>get 8 hours into the game
>realize I'll be stuck with this build for 100+ hours of doing the exact same thing every encounter
>make a new build
>repeat until I don't feel like playing anymore

>>713717093
you need to commit to the autism

>>713717093
this post is all sorts of wrong
builds rarely come together in just 8 hours.
not everything gets killed the same at all. underrail makes you adapt, alot
frankly, I just don't believe you

>>713716184
I just killed a fellow challenger in the arena for the movement points kek

for me its chemical pistols

>>713710917
Tear gas is okay. Probably more useful overall than AI scrambler. It's also funny in that it doesn't count as an attack, so you can drop it on people who need to die but who don't start off hostile and then let it hit max stacks before starting fights.

>>713718378
absolute kino

Boxing Gloves in your offhand in a melee build are worth like, 2 crappy blocking feats put together. what's the deal with that?

Hi.
Is this game worth 4 quid?

>>713720768
dog wit tha buddah

>>713720768
worth a tenner honestly

So Gorsky is Western Underraili?

>>713720768
yeah.

>>713679223 (OP)
0 interest in the sequel from me.

>>713720768
Definitely

>>713716345
this feat is also fantastic

>>713717381
nta, but you can believe me
i have like 400h+ and i havent finished it yet
it just gets boring
i reached deep caverns few times though

>>713723026
Same, I keep restarting for new builds. Happens in Owlcat games too.

Damn, I just learned that flashbangs daze you if you have night vision on after 350 hours.

>>713724393
is it supposed to

best use case for this meme?
I'm thinking flurry sword

>>713724779
Where did you get this!

>>713724779
>gives increased mobility
>requires high AGI wich already unlocks all the mobility options
Literally pointless, spring boots make more sense and if you are a 7 AGI ninja tabis are much better.

>>713726508
Some traders have a small chance of seelling it like the oculus for example.

>>713726950
Awesome, need to check it.

>>713717093
That's every single CRPG.

You just need to commit to being fucked up and imperfect, because no matter how many times you retry, it will always be fucked up and imperfect. Accept the ups and downs

>>713724747
Of course it is. Nightvision makes dim light into bright light. a flastbang would hit you harder than anyone who didn't have nightvision

>>713724779
>persuasion decreased by 30
Yeah dude I thought you were cool, but those shoes are retarded and I think you are too. Never talk to me again.

>>713688801
that was a fun series to read as a kid

>>713714421
They gobble ammo but clear crowds
Big Guns are for Big Hordes

>>713720871
he walks gently... but carries a fat blunt and a suppressed 9mm. wise, silent, and spiritually enlightened. you are not worthy of the 4 quid.