Is Cleric the most Based class in a fantasy?

You'd have to be blind to come to that conclusion.

>>713683560

>>713683347 (OP)
>Religion.
>Based.
retard

>>713683347 (OP)
>Has the most busted shit ever
>"""""Support""""" class
Sword barrier rapes.
Why aren't they defacto tanks?
Pally does more support stuff while being brain dead.

Cleric can give himself roids.

>>713683704
Can we have Israel ind India IPs banned in here?

>>713683750
Muslims and Chinese as well.

>>713683741
>Support
>Can Cst level 4 spell to literally hase same BAB as a Fighter Class
>Full Castel level class
>levle 9 Spellbook
>Weal Full Plate Armor + Shield
>Domain which give ANY spell from ANY arcane or druid spell list

>>713683347 (OP)
The problem with Clerics is that most games basically make them Warriors but with healing magic so they end up as simply being better Warriors

>>713683606
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>in a fantasy
>most games
use actual video games as examples otherwise this'll just be hypothetical "my idea of a cleric" vs other "my idea of other classes" speculation like every other thread like this which is exactly why you posted it so vaguely

>>713683975
Just like paladins.

>>713683704
Religious mythology is a pretty underrated and cool theme for vidya, especially abrahamic mythology.

>>713684186
The problem with paladins is that they're always just as good at healing themselves as they are other players, while also usually being a tank like a warrior. The extra DPS warriors have usually doesn't make up for the extra utility Paladins have because actual DPS classes exist. They should only be able to use the good heals on other people but have to channel to heal themselves, and work more in conjunction alongside a warrior than be a warrior with heals, while the actual healer babies the rest of the party. Clerics should always be dedicated mage healers.

Cleric should be a character theme, not a class. There should be cleric healers, cleric supports, cleric warriors, cleric skill experts, and cleric mages.
Unfortunately what we usually end up with is Cleric(mishmash of a little bit of warrior, healer, support, and mage) and Paladin(actual cleric warrior with some support thrown in).

>>713684634
I can't think of any games where clerics aren't some branch of a mage archetype. Like you said, cleric warriors are paladins. Cleric mage sounds like those off-support utility classes with a lot of status effects or ccs and some minor heals. Cleric healer sounds redundant because being a cleric is usually associated with being a healer anyway.

>>713683704
>>713684407
R*dditors were a mistake.

>>713684898
You seem to know a lot about that place

>>713683704
*tips*

>>713684857
I recently finished Neverwinter Nights 1 (with both expansions), where I made a Cleric of Mask (dual dagger wield, wearing a leather armor).
It was one of the most fun experiences I had.
Also had feels after I finished it...

>>713683347 (OP)
Ranger but without the magic. Just a man with tools and instinct braving the wilderness

>>713684857
>Cleric healer sounds redundant because being a cleric is usually associated with being a healer anyway.
That's the problem, healing consumes the cleric identity instead of being able to divorce the concepts. What if the deity the cleric follows doesn't have healing under its domains? What if the deity wants to imbue a champion primarily to smite their foes? To seek information?
Being a blessed champion of a deity could cover just about anything, but it's become reduced to the defensive, restorative, support role. It's a waste.

Any good games where you can pick different classes and it actually matters? Dark souls is the only i can think of

>>713685182
I suppose I do not understand the true meaning of what a cleric is in a fantasy setting then. I've personally never seen a separation of the two and I'm not sure why they would necessarily need to be separated when there are in fact other roles that pair some kind of tank or dps archetype with healing capabilities, usually inferior to that of a cleric.

>>713685108
so a rogue or a fighter

>>713686202
>Dark souls
>classes actually matter
this is bait right

>>713683975
not only that they re another flavor of spellblade nor faith or religion limitations like moral code or you loose your powers

>>713683347 (OP)
No. Single-class Thief is.
t. Halfling level 3 Thief

My favorite archetype tends to be Fighter with some kind of mental protection (i.e. High Willpower, great force of will). Because of this I tend to play Paladin or Cleric in DnD, though I generally don't care for their rules, gods or even magic. But since a lot of mental based saving throws tend to be Charisma or Wisdom based, I generally gravitate towards them.
Ideally, I'd just be a simply Fighter who can take a hell of a beating and just get back up.

>>713683347 (OP)
>support cuck AND big chungus class
I couldn't imagine anything worse

>>713685108
>Ranger but without the magic. Just a man with tools and instinct braving the wilderness
so a ranger?

>>713683347 (OP)
This nigga can’t act

>>713688042
I hate troons so much...

>>713684634
The only game I've seen do this is a TTRPG called Anima: Beyond Fantasy. There were a bunch of other casting traditions in the normal class selection kind of setup, but divine powers/intervention was a completely different system that you progressed or regressed in based on how much favor you'd curried with this or that god by your specific behaviors and how they did or didn't please them. Any sufficiently devout character could be a 'cleric' type archetype, but the more extremely you advanced into a god's favor the harder it was to keep it. Deviating from their will would stall or revert your progress.

>>713684634
>>713688205
D&D 4e sort of did this by splitting classes into role and power source. Clerics were the divine healers, Paladins were the divine defenders, you had Avengers (light-armoured holy spellswords, basically the smiting part of paladin split off into its own thing) as divine attackers, and Invokers as divine spellcasters.
It also had similar spreads for Martial, Arcane, Primal, and Psionic characters (with the obvious exception of a martial mage)

>>713688453
>4e
heh
I unironically like what Pathfinder have:
Paladins (Frontline of the Church)
Inquisitors (Shadow of the Church aka Rogues)
Clerics (Giga Chads who can do anything)

>>713688580
You forgot
>Oracles (so the Paladins have something to tardwrangle)

>>713688675
>Oracles
Have nothing to do with Church.

>>713689138
Not in an authoritative sense, but their mere existence and general unpredictability combined with completely obvious and legitimate contact with the divine makes them a cultural and potentially political problem. They're wildcards even if they don't mean to be.

>>713683347 (OP)
That movie fucking sucked.

>>713683347 (OP)
I had a book of Eli phase and the only way to express it was through Fallout 3 and it felt like the coolest thing at the time
>>713688048
True but this is one his best acting gigs because he barely said anything throughout the movie

>>713686202
In terms of gameplay? Ironically, the only game where I felt like classes made a huge difference in gameplay is Dragon Age Veilguard.

>>713683347 (OP)
He's not a cleric. He's a fallout character with 10 in everything except for perception which sits at 0

>>713691337
I think it's more like:
>Strength
6
>Perception
3, he can still hear and smell which is enough for scavenging and hunting
>Endurance
10
>Charisma
2, autist tier
>Intelligence
6
>Agility
5
>Luck
9999999999

>>713691337
>with 10 in everything
Why is he black than?

>>713683347 (OP)
>The book that he almost got killed for was the Bible
>the single most common book worldwide

ok

>>713691629
God wanted a brotha to carry his message

>>713683347 (OP)
no because half their shit only works on undead and demons.

>>713683347 (OP)
It's actually paladin.

>>713691690
You should go back and play dragon age troonguard

>>713684634
Because cleric is just another word for priest but made more generic since it also includes Islam rather than just the Christian clergy

>>713684598
The problem with paladins is that they have smite. That is also one of the best things for a paladin. So if you want to hit things with a fuckhueg weapon and be holy, the paladin is the best bet.

Bump

>>713683347 (OP)
It's Bard.
Not only do they best get what adventuring is about, they also bring in the best part of watching an adventure, the soundtrack.
(And the sex scenes)

>My god gives me immense divine powers to smite and heal!
>I have studied the weave of the arcane, the ravel of reality, and how to command cosmic powers!
>My connection and communion to the natural world empowers me with forms and spells!
>I was born with magic blood, I am the ultimate nepobaby!
>(I ain't messing with the Bard, he's based)

Okay, guys? Pauseth? Pauseth for a moment?
So I haveth a Sworde.

>>713683347 (OP)
I like Rogues because ultimately trying to solve encounters creatively is more fun than just running around swordbanging everything to 0 HP

In this, full spellcasters are a close second due to their flexibility

>>713694650
>thief: I have that guys sword

>>713694925
AHHHHH GIVE IT BACK

>>713688042
dumbass

>>713694650
yes fighters are lame
everyone knows

>>713692347
Clerics gets free Smites that don't cost spell slots or a Bonus Action to use. Paladins are for chump Redditors.

>>713695191
Fighters have become unstoppable animals. People sleeping on the new rules because WotC fucked up the "lore" in a game about making up your own shit are severely missing out.

>>713695403
Don't call my favourite class for chump Redditors again you fucking fag.

>>713695191
Fighters are the perfect class to start a campaign on because they get the most absurd subclassing that brings the campaign into a powergaming session. People see them as lame because they are technically the baseline martial fighter to which all martial classes derive from.

>>713693827
Bards have been completely ruined by nu-DnD.

>>713693827
Ah yes, the "Tiefling" class of D&D. Let me guess, you want to roll to have sex with the dragon?

>>713698041
What the DM thinks I want when I roll to seduce the dragon:
>Ugh, this fucking wierdo creep wants to erp with me at the table! Fucking hell, I can't believe he's actually hot for my irresistible 120kg round body and unshaved neckbeard! And he's such a degenerate as to want to get it on in view of the rest of the party!

What I want when I say I roll to seduce the dragon:
>Ha ha ok, well... that's a success lol. Ok bard after a long night, you emerge from the cave with half your hit points, a broken pelvis and third degree burns on your chest. BUT, she also gave you a giant diamond.
>(Btw three sessions from now I'm introducing your new half-dragon offspring, that will be a funny subplot.)

>>713683704
But they usually have direct evidence the God they worship exists and also gives them the power to revive dead people and defeat undead with ease