Thread 713687308

STOP BLAMING UNREAL ENGINE 5.

>>713687308 (OP)
What is causing performance issues in Unreal Engine?

If your game runs on UE5 my alarms will always be ringing.

>boot up UE5 game
>SHADER COMPILATION PLEASE WAIT
>STILL stutter during gameplay
>crash
>go through the same thing

>boot up DOOM Eternal
>no shader compilation screen
>no stutter during gameplay
>instant gameplay

sorry but not sorry and i shall

>>713687308 (OP)
>kick all the devs for good in house engines
>news devs are dumb and dont understand the in house engine
>give new devs the unreal engine
>certificated blue print jeets are cheaper
>kick new devs and import jeets

>>713687308 (OP)
And yet not one complaint about Unreal Engine 5 is even refuted.

>>713687619
Also lumen is absolute dogshit compared to id tech implementation if RT. Smeary shit that lags behind several seconds even on a 5090 and has artifacts out the ass.

>>713687386
I really don't understand this "devs are angels who can do absolutely no wrong and it's management who're the root of all evil in the world" stance.

>>713687308 (OP)
Fix your shit before someone optimizes a new windpipe for you to breathe out of.
Captcha : 2+ASS++4+<<

>>713687308 (OP)
UE is a good tool that harbors lazy development, it's really convenient and fast to slap shit together in which results in many people just keeping on every default checkbox which ends up in a slow, blurry, unperformant mess. It's unforgivable for a mutlitrillion-dollar studios to release unperformant, ugly games, indie developers also fail at that because they don't know any better than to just check everything that makes their game look pretty.

Nanite and Lumen aren't performant in the slightest, I would love for them to be the best they can be but until then we'll keep making Lod's and baking lighting.

>>713687840
it's the commie stance. workers good management evil

>>713687308 (OP)
gay OP

>>713687308 (OP)
DLSS and its consequences have been a disaster for the video game industry.

>>713687794
To this day, the best RT (and PT) implementations can be found in:
>Minecraft RT
>Metro Exodus EE
>Cyberpunk with PT
>Quake 2 RT
>Control

>>713687308 (OP)
no

>>713687794
Lumen smear is only a problem for PC because console players sit far away from the screen and don't notice it (not that they would care if they could because console player standards are nonexistent)

>steam deck can play fast paced action games at 60fps no problem on medium to high settings (Playing lies of P and last of us 2 currently)
>shitty UE5 horror game by small studio craps the bed at lower settings in a small space where literally nothing is happening
Yeah no,fuck UE5

>>713688101
it's multiple things
UE5 for enabling lazy practices
studios for outsourcing to incompetent Indians
Nvidia for using drivers/fancy graphics gimmicks designed to only work properly on their latest greatest hardware and shit on anything lesser

>>713688101
And what should they put the blame on? Unity and Unreal are constantly shitting out ugly, unperformant video games that look exactly the same. RT isn't any better either, as it's been co-opted (in the eyes of many) by Nvidia to push their RTX (Ray-trace accelerated cards) which sadly need frame generation to actually run, we just don't have that technology to run it yet, and I don't see why people hate on baked lighting either.

>>713688315
>"Erm your eyes ackshually can't see more than 30 FPS, goy"

>>713687308 (OP)
Last unreal engine game I played was Bioshock Infinite. Stop playing slop.
Also fuck TAA.

>>713687308 (OP)
I’m a simple man
I see game uses ue5 I click ignore on steam and call it slop every time the subject comes up

Unreal Engine is shit. This is literally built for Fortnite and if your game isn't literally Fortnite you have to either do massive changes to the engine or you have to suffer the downsides of trying to make not-fortnite-at-all run in fortnite engine which assumes you have 100% dynamic lighting and destructive environments.

>>713688315
what game

>>713688831
>stop playing slop
>bioshock infinite
anon i...

What happens if you just turn off nanite and lumen in ue5, does it effectively become ue4 at least in terms of visuals/speed? or are there other big changes you can't undo

>>713687840
Because it is stupid to blame the lowest link, programmers do what they are asked to do, if they were asked to make the game work well, they would have to make the game work well or they would have to hire experienced people who know how to do it.
But a lot of managers and executives don't care and just want to get something to market, no matter what it is practically, that's the fault of bad management.
In the end it's everyone's fault but I prefer to blame the people whose job it was to prevent disasters.

>>713689026
post trauma

>>713687840
Most people just are more likely to relate to common workers than to managers.

>>713687702
Corporations really love standards, and especially in current year corporations also hate training their own workforce.
Devs learn Unity and Unreal in colleges, so those are what corporations want to use, the fantasy of endless interchangeable workforce that can easily just jump in and out of projects is just too alluring even if it creates it's own set of problems.

>>713689667
incompetent workers don't get a free pass just because their superior is also incompetent.

>>713689667
You've never worked a managerial position in your life but yes. technically shit flows upward so the team lead gets the shit end of the stick on this because they didn't micromanage their subordinates hard enough.

>>713690760
I mean, those superiors could resume actual merit based hiring and practices to retain that actual talent anytime they want. They just don't want to, keep hiring retards and then scratch their heads when diversity hires and fresh graduates with intern level experience are not capable of Rockstar levels of technical polish.

>>713687840
It's a really tired trope that was only ever true in places where skilled labor is a thing where managerial workers don't get down and break their backs under the sun, not in the fucking tech sector where they literally work in the same office.

>>713690975
What. All hirees in this industry are screened by an HR department or any equivalent THEN the department manager gets to see the viable choices HR or whatever picked in a pool. And we all know HR is literally mandated to diversify the workplace.

>get excited for The Blood of Dawnwalker
>it's ue5
>get excited for VTM:B 2
>it's shit and ue5
I think it's too late for a good first-person vampire RPG to come out

>>713687308 (OP)
Either we blame UE5 or the Indians and diversity hires unqualified to code.

>>713687308 (OP)
I have never seen a good lucking UE5 game. There is always some fuckery going on.

>>713689667
It is the dev's job to write good maintainable code, actually.
We can blame manager for telling them to cut corners and work faster, but we can blame the tech lead for not stepping in and saying they need more time.

>>713688101
Nvidia actually made UE5 RTX Branch that is more optimized than default UE5.

>>713687840
Just remove the devs and let the managers make the games, problem solved! Right anon?

>>713687840
>I have 1k shekels
>I can hire quality labor for 500 and pocket 500 for myself
>or I can hire group of pajeets for 50 and pocket 950 for myself
>anon: IT'S DA PAJEET FAULT!1!1!!!
You are a fucking retard, I mean it, blackest gorilla nigger is smarter than you are.
Worst of all, you are fucking commie, you expect 500 level of labor by paying 50, that's not how things work in real world.

>hated UE long before it was a trend
You're finally awake

>>713692243
>Hey can we get extra day to make the game perform better?
>will this have an impact on trailer or promo material?
>No
>Exactly

I can't believe that devs did this...

>>713688315
>>steam deck can play fast paced action games at 60fps no problem on medium to high settings (Playing lies of P and last of us 2 currently)
i heard the yooka replaylee demo has severe performance issues on steam deck and im absolutely baffled how thats even possible if tlou2 runs fine on the thing

Not all bad performing and shit looking games run unreal engine 5.
But all unreal engine 5 games have bad performance and look shit.

>>713687737
its a redditor. thats what they do.
And here we are wasting our time looking at them wasting their time.

Devs should just go back to UE3.

>>713690543
I hate corpos like you wouldnt believe

>Unity hate
>devs jumped to Unreal
>Unreal Hate
>Devs starting to jump to godot
I'm just waiting for you fags to start hating games made on godot.

i am so sick of this modern idea that consumers with standards are 'entitled' in some fashion.
for centuries people with money choosing when and when not to spend it were simply engaging in business. now if you say 'no thank you, for these reasons', you're an incel economic terrorist

>>713692473
it literally is the pajeets fault in your dumbass example, lol

>>713687308 (OP)
imagine being an underage fanboy for a game engine and posting on a subreddit for it when you clearly aren't even a programmer

>>713687308 (OP)
>new literally who game announced
>the first thing they do is boast they use Unreal

And then they cry about the opposite reactions.
If they felt like the fact they're using Unreal wasn't worth mentioning, they wouldn't.

>>713687308 (OP)
Yes it's an amazing engine used by amazing people, surely the games that come out of it must be amazing?
Right?

Personally I never had an issue with the way lighting looked in games going back almost two decades. Epic are literally paid by GPU companies to make games run worse in order to push hardware sales. Just stop consooming the latest games like a retard.

>>713695412
I can't believe they thought such a shitty attempt at emotional manipulation would work on anyone. We're not friends, you make product, I buy product if I like it, that's it, that's the extent of our relationship.

>>713695867
UE5 was literally funded by Sony

>>713692504
This holy shit, UE1 and 2 were good but 3 and onward are absolute dumpster fire.
The good looking UE3 games were all using a highly modified version of UE3 to work around how god awful it was.

>>713695907
There's subsidies flying all over the place through all sorts of channels. Ask yourself who benefits from games that run poorly.

>>713696186
Nvidia's branch of UE5 performs better than default UE5

>>713695742
I hate modern graphical pipelines like you wouldn't believe.

Didn’t read but Fortnite looks and runs amazing.
Blame bad and lazy devs

something has to give when the games that give me the most issues are on ue5

i dont know anything about engines so i aint gonna claim it's the devs fault, the engine fault whatever but i feel that the truth is in the middle

>>713688015
>Cyberpunk
>it looks greasy, so it's beautiful
You're poor.

>>713687308 (OP)
how did they manage to trash gaming so hard in a decade
2015 games might have sucked ass but holy crap this new era of 240p 24 fps is just
i cant even believe normies are people anymore lol
just human revenue streams

The thing I never understood about the standard UE5 defense talking points is that they always say the engine is just a tool and it's up to the devs to make it performant, but does UE5 not have its own devs? Why is every developer in the world fallible humans EXCEPT for the ones who work on this engine? Why can't the engine have inherent issues due to the human mistakes made by the human devs working on the tool?
It's really weird how this possibility is entirely dismissed. No, the engine can't have problems, it's everyone else who suck. Look at these 3 or 4 games without issues, it can't be that they went above and beyond in fixing shit that shouldn't be broken, it's the rest of the world who can't make a game without issues that devs using other engines don't face.

I just fkn hate the blue hue that almost all lighting in UE apparently has now

>>713695871
exactly
>oh, fund our game before we make it but get no stake in it's success beyond "i hope it actually DOES get made"
>if enough of you preorder we'll release a week early
>wow, you're lucky we even release updates at all. worse people would launch a broken game and leave it that way so pay us for launching a broken game and trying unsuccessfully to fix it
>our new game in the franchise you've liked isn't FOR you / wtf you not buying our new game means this franchise is dead due to disinterest
it's like bargaining with a child

>>713687308 (OP)
The good thing about UE5 games is that 99% of them are absolute slop and not even worth playing. Clair Obscure is probably the only out there actually worth a shit and it's not that bad since it does the only thing the engine doesn't shit itself with, hallways.

>be Nintendo
>Known for 60 fps games on low end hardware
>Use Unreal Engine for the first time on 3 games for Switch
>None of them can hit 60fps and even go sub 30

Remind me again how Unreal Engine isn't the problem?

>>713687840
As the name implies they manage the devs and deadlines. If the game is not optimized is their responsibility to demand the devs fix it, the reality is something like:
> The game must be done ASAP
> We could make an MVP with rtx/nanite/lumen and then optimize it
> The MVP works, don't waste more time
> But it was just a proof of concept
> Ship it

>>713687840
It's a redditor thing to blame the baddy bad big guys, the little guy is never wrong, even though he's an worthless cog that could be replaced tomorrow, since UE devs are essentially retards who go through these generic "game design" courses and learn some tricks through tutorials, not real developers.

>>713698741
every AAA game from the last half decade that i end up getting for $5 on sale defaults SOMETHING to the strangest settings and then i find out it's a huge fucking bandaid for awful performance despite the game looking not much better than an indie with a good artstyle
>50% resolution scale
>targeted 30FPS
>something dropped real low and a sister setting that AI generates higher grafix / something cranked real high and a sister setting that AI generates more frames
always one of these

>>713688315
>Playing lies of P
UE game btw

>>713687386
Engine itself / jeets, diversity hires, trannies instead of Devs / enshittification of technology.
I'd say it's a 30/40/30 split between these.

>>713687840
It's really just nvidia pushing tech that sells gpus on upper management. RT is not mandatary and is unnecessary in most cases, yet Cyberpunk devs had to work overtime to implement it, while the game was still a buggy mess.

>>713687840
Everyone is allowed to blame the evil greedy suits, but it's seen as mean to blame the "little man". The problem is that while suits are also too blame, the average AAA dev is either some faggot diversity hire or an outsourced third worlder, neither of which are capable of making good games.

>>713691057
oh please, it's not the 90s anymore. Management isn't on the floor coding.

>>713688101
I wish it was Nvidia this time. Lumen is a bigger cancer than RTX, and so is their Nanite bullshit worse than any bullshit Nvidia ever tried to force on the industry. And all these problems are present on AMD hardware with 2x more VRAM as well.

>>713699472

>jeets, diversity hires, trannies instead of Devs

you are so corny

>>713699448
>>Playing lies of P
>UE game btw
It's Unreal Engine 4.
Everything truly went to shit with UE5.

>>713698828
the local school system just had a bunch of teachers vs. provincial conservative government strikes trying to force certain benefits/raises/limits into law.
nobody spoke about the school board that sets class sizes and wages and how much money is wasted on saying "we are on tribal land" every morning. nobody. i felt like i was insane for thinking a school board existed because no human being around me seemed aware of that fact.

>>713699583
people were howling about UE4 just as much. Lies of P was notable for not being a performance disaster like other UE4 games

>>713689667
So Dave gets fired
Now...... Who has to do the job? Notice how the Interla supervisor has tools, which means he has to do the next shift.

I've worked office jobs where real productivity would be at 1-2 hours a day, the rest would just be coffee, mingling, and waiting for crunch time of the season to arrive to even justify working.
I've also done the blue collar version, which means you are not there to work off season, you are there to train 10-20 temp hires for 1-2 months, and then wait 5-6 months for it to happen again. And occasionally work a little, as work drizzles in off season.

But it makes me wonder what it looks like in a large corporate structure.

>>713699646
>people were howling about UE4 just as much.
Not even close.

>>713699607
>vs. provincial conservative government
>nobody spoke about the school board
anon what do you think the school board is

>>713699165
>Nintendo
>60 fps
>Me when I lie

>>713699483
i feel like we're seeing the last few competent people exit the industry, tired of supporting the salaries of 50 other people

>>713699694
newfag

>>713699731
"class sizes should be under 40 kids" never had to be a law before

>>713687840
Because it's common knowledge that management these days does is not concerned with keeping and enabling actual talent. This isn't a conspiracy theory or anything, this isn't any form of speculation, it's outright been stated that the reason everything has been moving to Unreal and Unity in the past decade is to be able to develop with high-turnover practices, entirely favoring the ability to add and subtract people to churn out product for a deadline, rather than actually letting talented devs do their work.

The minute you say "hey this is gonna take another couple weeks," boom, you're moved onto something else or just straight kicked to the curb, and management is gonna bring in 50 indians to finish "your" work. Then the audience will just blame your name in the credits and not the 12 different poojet and gook support studios that management brought in.

>>713699731
so why has every strike (many successful) until a few years ago been teachers vs. the school board? why did they have no problem going to their bosses directly until recently when they had to go over their bosses heads and speak to politicians?
what changed?

>>713699976
maybe they realized going to the school board wasn't actually doing anything

>>713699901
look how successful disney is. they had a rock solid rule that no disney show could surpass 100 episodes as that would legally require disney to pay lifetime residuals.
being stingy and jewish and not caring about improving the world is the 21st century recipe for mucho success

>>713699674
>Now...... Who has to do the job?
What for? Ubisoft is sponsored by both French and Canadian government, they don't even need to release games to earn their salaries.
That's the catch of AAA development, you don't need final product to make money.

>>713700046
>(many successful)
just because i put it in parentheses doesn't mean it was optional reading.
their strikes never lasted more than a month when they spoke to their direct bosses about the decisions made by their direct bosses

>>713699694
lil bro...

>Unreal Engine 5
>looks great, has completely next-gen destruction + physics system
>has absolutely no sutter issues
>system requirements lists hardware from 7-10 years ago
Actual talent shows that UE5 isn't the issue
(Although /v/ will never give it credit because anons have a hateboner for multiplayer)

>>713699646
UE3 was way worse
It was known as "console curse" because it made everything look like shit smeared AAA fad shovelware.
But consolefags liked it for buttery smooth 30FPS.

>>713687308 (OP)
>Game is made in UE5
>Runs like shit
>Looks like shit
>Is shit
I'm just noticing patterns is all.

>>713700114
>reaching the point where class sizes are exceeding 40
clearly not that successful

>>713700292
>a great mechanic can turn a total shitbox into a decent sports vehicle
>this means it was never a shitbox to begin with

>>713700465
the last time they went on strike over class sizes was in 2003 and that contract expired in 2018. why not do the EXACT SAME THING as 2003 and get another decade and a half of contracted class sizes?
have anything of substance to say or are you just fishing for the last word?

>>713689667
Dumb workers just do what they are asked to do in hopes of their subserviance being seen as a marker for promotion (see indians, women, ect)
Smart workers innovate, ask questions, make suggestions (see white/asian men) and from that get promoted to manager

>>713700613
I have no idea about the particulars of your school district, I'm just speculating based on the very limited information you deign to trickle out. If the school board goes right back to massive class sizes and other undesirable changes the minute a contract expires, then maybe the right move IS going over their heads and getting some things set in laws.

Playing Expedition 33 (UE5) and Stellar Blade (UE4) back to back made it really sink in just how shit UE5 really is. Stellar Blade runs, and looks, ten times better. Sure, maybe that's a difference in developer ability, but it isn't exactly setting a good example.

>>713700828
i asked questions and made suggestions and it got me promises of a promotion to a new position opening up, followed by "do this management work for no extra pay for a little bit to prove you want that promotion", followed by 6 months of dodging my questions about the promotion, followed by "we gave the position to someone outside the company", and finally my firing when i refused to continue to act as a manager without being paid as one.

>>713700828
Dumb boomer

>>713687702
the ubisoft method

>>713700498
Yes.

>>713687840
The Devs have to do what management tells them to do. If Epic demands that they have to ship a game with Lumen and RT, it means they can't use their own lighting engine developed inhouse or a more performance friendly lighting code. UE5 Lumen is a massive drag on performance and it gets baked in with the post-processing affects within the game. It's extremely noticeable in Stalker 2.

>>713689667
>>713690543
>>713695103
Not really related but recently I talked with my wife's friend who works some bullshit corpo job.
I alaways wondered what all these people do there so I asked her what is her job. Her response was some string of very vague words like: competency assurance manager for development or something.
So I asked her what she actually does, what does she spend her time on when she's working. And after some time and more word salad I understood that she organizes meetings. That's it. She organizes internal company meeting twice a week or so.
What the fuck? How can corporations be so damn ineffective?

>>713700850
funny how your 'speculation' takes the form of confidently telling me i'm wrong. Must be my insanity again though, couldn't be a fault of yours, right?

and you're doing it again. the span between 2018 and what i called 'a few years ago' in your mind is a 'minute'? this country has seen unprecedented immigration this last decade, the contract for class sizes should have been solidified again the isntant it expired but teachers are all do-nothing-until-neccessary women

>>713687308 (OP)
>UE5
Just means I need to lower my expectations for said game. It means the game is probably not going to be that good. If developers don't want the stigma attached then they should do better. Not my problem.

>>713687840
it's a smoke screen because retards don't understand that upper management ARE devs
they hear management and think fags in suits

>>713701149
a coworker of mine has a wife that works for some government health agency and she has repeatedly told him they have a whole office of women who have movie days and 3hr field trips to walk and get starbucks 6 blocks away

it's baffling how life can be so different for people who live 3 blocks apart. i have toiled for every dollar i've earned and it's never felt like enough to keep what i have maintained let alone take on some big monthly payments to have a third vehicle

>>713699582
But is he wrong?

>>713687308 (OP)
> make a most accessible game engine that have low entry bar for shitters and lowering paycheck for skilled developers due to high surplus
> hurr how can you blame engine it's the developers who make shitty unoptimized games
What a retard

>>713701296
Obsidian is owned by Microsoft now, management IS fags in suits

>>713701149
The purpose of modern corporations is to demoralize white people. Literally.

>>713701438
Obsidian's management was trash since Black Isle, there's a reason they were hemorrhaging devs and always on the verge of bankruptcy.

>>713701458
>to demoralize white people
>by hiring as many white people as possible and giving them decent salaries
wut

>>713701530
But when management is part of production, you at least get good products.

>>713699674
>pic
makes perfect sense to me. a lot of artists like to explore ideas that they don't necessarily get to in their day-to-day life. a miserable sadsack MIGHT want to produce miserable sad media, but they also might want to envision a version of the world where they wouldn't be so miserable.

>>713701438
there are tiers to management
MS suits only care about Xbox making money
Xbox suits only care about making popular games
Studios are managed by devs

>>713701530
bingo

>>713701794
>Studios are managed by devs
And are overseen by their Publishers

>>713701597
>by hiring as many white people as possible
Did you mean put out as many job offers that state they explicitly hire non-whites and women?
And then give them fastracks to promotions?

They always infantilize their workers, calling their corpo a "family" or with providing playgrounds.
And if you are an programmer/IT/engineer with actual skill, you can guarantee your workplace will be somewhere underground the nice office monolith.

>>713695417
pajeets are low skill and low education and 3rd worlders outsourced and that's why they are so expensive in the first place, game companies are paying for the shitty low price labour of hundreds and hundreds of pajeets to the point that they become half of the end credits on a game that's optimized like complete ass and whose mechanics make no sense and are half assed because no one knew what the fuck they were doing or why, it only had to look pretty for the trailers.

>>713701958
>Did you mean put out as many job offers that state they explicitly hire non-whites and women?
lmao post the source for this

>>713695317
There wouldn't be godot hate because Godot barely works and would require devs to have skills and aptitude to make something that works (cruelty squad).

>boot up unreal engine
>click the button to disable the blur
>my project looks and runs fine
I blame the devs, not the tools

>>713699483
Tbh, if game development is as fucked up as it's usually proven to be, it does make sense for competent smart people to leave their posts and go do something else, and the only people left in game development will be cheap labor from desperate people who need whatever job, instead of valuable people who can actually do something good, if you're someone with skill and options, chances are you'll choose to work somewhere that's not complete ass, pajeets however, live onthe shit, it's their home.

>>713687308 (OP)
all the claims are true though

>>713701939
>overseen
i dont care who's overseeing, they're being managed by devs, devs are the ones that pick everything

>>713692473
i'm not reserving my contempt for orcs just because they work for sauron. i have plenty enough hate in my heart for both. you feel exactly the same way about groups you don't like and the people that lead them, too, but in other contexts that you're unconsciously compartmentalizing away from this topic.

>>713702003
Are you for real?
After Trump's election they are less brazen about it, but I didn't save those job offers because I didn't expect people living in bubbles here.

>>713702041
You can't turn off post-processing affects in Unreal, you can only lower them.

>>713701652
all I know is that most porn artists are probably not getting mad pussy on their day to day life.

>>713687308 (OP)
unstable shitgine 5 is the problem, in all situations and scenarios

>>713702195
>i dont care who's overseeing
Electronic Arts and Ubisoft are the biggest offenders of Publishers meddling with Devs work.

>>713702253
>trying to find dirty comics that make my dick happy
>stumble across one that has lots of good looking, consistent visuals without slipping into being cartoonish
i always assume that's an artist that has some personal female references to use and i think "good on ya, lad"

>>713699845
What's your point here, that 40 kid classes are fine or that the fact that we need to make it a law is a testament to lunacy because it's obviously a retarded idea?

>>713688963
what pisses me off is that steam doesn't list a game's engine on its store page, that shit should be listed as the first item when you even hover over the game in the search list, the engine is the most important information to convey to the consumer, the fact that i have to go and search out what a game's engine is when steam should already have that info is nigger retarded, i should also be able to filter by engine, so that i can exclude unstraoght faggone niggerengine shit, fuck timmy tencent, fuck epig megagays

>>713702310
yea im sure Troonguard is the complete fault of EA and not the studio that has made 4 consecutive flops in a row

>>713702676
kek beat me to it. do these people think the suits thought up, outlined, and demanded the taash dinner scene? that has annoying faggy """creative""" written all over it.

>>713692187
>or the Indians and diversity hires unqualified to code.
who the hell do you think shits out unstraight troongine in the first place?

>>713698623
Cyberpunk with *path tracing* you illiterate tranny.

>>713695412
>i am so sick of this (((modern idea))) that consumers with standards are 'entitled' in some fashion.
every ((("modern idea"))) is just retarded jewish pilpul and by definition a non-argument

>>713702253
Lost Life's artist has a wife and two kids.

>>713687840
Because management calls the shots, sets the timelines, and hires the talent.
Even dev incompetence is kinda their fault because they chose the workers.

>>713702647

Was engine-fagging always this prevalent? It's true game engines are relevant but up until recently I had never seen views opinions like these thrown around, I'm guessing this is radicalization caused by the enshitifcation of the widespread usage of game engines like UE5, that are advertised as doing everything automatically using AI tools and shit even though in reality doing this doesn't work and ruins the optimization and look of the game.
I'm confident that you probably can make a good and optimized game using E5 or RE engine but developers have just lost the knowledge on how to do it.

Devs now always want an open world with 300 different AI NPCs running around and day and night cycle with lighting that's automatically calculated by the engine so they don't have to do any adjustments or baked in techniques, as well not even bothering to properly implement culling, the list goes on.

>>713695103
chill it with the antisemitism

>>713702230
huh? are you just making stuff up

>>713695742
anyone wanna tell me again how jeets aren't the ones shitting out the actual chickenscratch "code" for unstraight slopgine itself

>>713703225
Open up a UE4 or UE5 game Anon, you can't turn off post-processing, you can only lower them.

>>713695907
and epig megagays is owned by tencent
so it makes sense why ue5 os such shit, it's the marriage of the two biggest evils in videogaming, snoy and chinkcent

>>713698530
the fault lies in the devs of the engine itself, and in timmy tencent and his retarded nigger lies

>>713703174
>Was engine-fagging always this prevalent?
No, but it was mostly caused by Epic shilling the ever living fuck out of UE5. Pretending that it's some apex technology capable of doing everything. From making movies to games and everything in between. But devs like Josh Sawyer noted that it still isn't capable of breaking the world space into smaller cells without huge performance hits. Something Bethesda mastered 20 years previously.

>>713703327
>Open up a UE4 or UE5 game Anon, you can't turn off post-processing, you can only lower them.
you can turn off the post-processing entirely in unreal engine the """""game engine""""", it's literally a dev problem if you can't turn those shit off in someone else game

>>713701104
>If Epic demands
the fuck can epic demand out of me as a dev, what the fuck
>"hey can you"
no, fuck off

>>713703642
>he fuck can epic demand
It's written into the licensing agreement and contract when they use the engine to make a product

>>713703491
wait one of selling points of ue5 was chunking? fucking lmao there's fucking tutorials how to program this shit yourself on youtube

>>713703714
seriously? show me anon, i want to believe

>>713699582
HAHAHAHAHAHA
HOW FUCKING IRONIC
CHECK OUT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK OVER HERE
PFFFFFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NIGGER

>>713687840
Most people who've had a job have at least dome experience with an absolutely retarded manager who doesn't understand how the job works and makes impossible demands, gets the good workers to quit and overall degrades the workplace. It's easy for people to extrapolate from their own experiences.

>>713687840
lots of amateur gamedevs on reddit who will light the torched and break out the pitchforks if you imply anything negative about people in their "profession". there are zero (0) high level studio executives browsing reddit so you can shit on them all you want.

>anon notices every new game is the exact fucking same
>turns out it’s all just Unreal Game 5
>tells people
>niggers assblasted their scam is uncovered
>”armchair schizo”

>>713699845
kids were white before, now they're niggers, you can have a class of over 40 white kids and it'll still be a functioning learning environment. now, with niggers, as soon as the class size goes over 10 it becomes a completely un,anageable zoo and no only does no learning get done, but many rapes and murders occur in the classroom during the course of the school day, nonwhites need to be exterminated

>>713700105
I know that is how its usually done at government level
The job itself gets outsourced, but you get a mid level position whose only job it is to micromanage that kind of work in that region. Which is to say..... spend days at the Governors office drinking coffee and talking to the people at Land Management who actually work.

But still
There is always the pretense of work. So you work maybe 5%, so you can say you worked, and maintain that skill.

>>713700292
>a bunch of unsubstantiated bullshit that no one will falsify because no one cares enough to
>retard considers this an argument
it's called an anecdote, nigger

>>713703491
>>713703174

IMO this all boils down to not knowing the limitations, the paradoxical fact about having a great visions for something, is that you have to know your own limitations and the limitations of your tools so that you can even be effective, because deluding yourself into thinking that you can dowhatever shit you want will only hold you back more.

Vidya companies have this delusional idea nowadays that if they all use a video game engine that gets shilled and they outsource support for game development to 500 jeets they can do anything, and then they start to develop games with the promise of having all this never before seen shit like they're going to revolutionize the medium.


They need to fucking know what the tools they are working with are capable of and they need to know their strenthts and weaknesses, they need to know the limitations and vulnerabilities that their developers and directors have as workers making the game, of course a video game becomes a clusterfcuk that looks like shit if you try to make it this huge thing even though you are doing something new and you are using a new engine and you don't even know what the fuck you are doing so let's just hope the nanite will do everything for you, oh damn, look at this realistic fur I just rendered using the UE engine 5 auto mapping! Let's just put it in the game like this! Surely it's already optimized, because computers have such efficient tools! I don't have to get in there and do any work at all! Thank god! After all, I have to do the fur of 500 more animals in the game!

>>713701597
lol, get a load of this retarded nigger

>>713704278
>Vidya companies have this delusional idea nowadays that if they all use a video game engine that gets shilled and they outsourc
Nah, they like that Unreal gives them such a good percentage cut for using the engine

>>713701597
>as many as possible
within a ruleset that arbitrarily excludes them after a certain percentage in direct contravention of discrimination laws, you surely meant?

>>713704434

There have been phenomena before of other companies shilling other engines though, usually one of their in house engines that they want to use for everything, like how EA made every developer use frostbite or Capcom is making everyone use RE engine, now if they were able to modify those engines to be more versatile and capable of a wider variety of games that'd be fine, but usually it causes issues because this doesn't come to be, at least not fully.

I recently played Dead Island 2 which used UE4. They preload shaders when you launch the game and it ran fantastically on my 1060.

>>713704371
>>713704534
A lot of feelings going on with no facts

Reminder that Unreal Engine 5 was released three years ago and it's still in its early stages. Don’t expect high-quality games to quickly come out during these time span.

>>713703174
engines were mostly never this bad, aside from cryengine, and yes even back then cryengine was shit on for being a ridiculously unoptimized bloated retarded muh grafix nigger tier mess
the bigger issue is epig meganiggers, and timmynigger tencentnigger and his retarded takes, if he had just kept his retarded nigger autistic mouth shut then there wouldn't be nearly as much rightful hate for the engine made by the fly by night third rate 'developer' owned by the faggot whp claimed pc gaming was dead in 2003, fuck timmy nigcent and fuck nigger engine, and fuck epig niggergames the most, fucking chino owned nigger shit

>>713687619
Vulkan doesnt have this problem lmao

>>713704626
you're the one that opened with an absolute statement like
>as many as possible
and cited zero (0) sources. do you have any evidence that it's literally impossible to hire more white people than they are?

>>713687619
DirectX/RTX gamers were a mistake...

>>713704827
>as many as possible
>see most big corporations
>majority of the employees are white

>>713704626
your hooknose and yarmulke are showing, hymie

>>713704747
unstraight troongine, no boy, simple as

>>713704893
ah i see the issue, you're ESL so you don't know what words mean. allow me to help:

John is carrying a water bottle. He can carry more but he's choosing not to. He is not carrying as many water bottles as possible. Jane is carrying ten water bottles. She had eleven but dropped one because it didn't fit in her arms. She is carrying as many as possible.

>>713687308 (OP)
Unreal 4 games work fine and look better at max
Unreal 5 games my pc becames a heater

>>713687308 (OP)
>Gamers notice a pattern
>Shills come out of the woodwork and scream that not only is the pattern heckin wrong and invalid but noticing the pattern at all is counterproductive to a solution so please just trust the experts and continue buying slop
every fucking time

>>713700292
>The finals
Lmao ywnbaw tranny

>>713704618
Most games in UE4 run decently. It's UE5 that runs like shit unless you're willing to put years of dev work into optimizing it for your game.

>>713687308 (OP)
name 5 good games in UE5

>>713688315
It's not ue5 you retard, it's because ue5 is so accessible anyone with half a brain can make a video game with it. So dimwits who don't know how to program optimize just publish shovelware prototypes.

>>713687308 (OP)
>STOP BLAMING UNREAL ENGINE 5.
Ok I'll blame the retarded developers then
>NO NOT LIKE THAT

>>713703174
Yes. It's been a thing since quake.

>>713704747
ue5 was just an update to ue4, it's the same engine and it's fine, the problems literally always come from the devs

>>713687308 (OP)
>UE is known to be bad since UE3
>NOOO UE5 GOOD
What went wrong with this dude's life? What leads someone to defend a product with such fervor? Why did he make a reddit account?

I don't care what people say, since UE3 the Unreal Engine has had a bad vibe to it, something has always been off and with age a bunch of technical issues have become a problem ontop of that.

>>713687308 (OP)
>all UE5 games run like shit
>non-UE5 games generally tend to run better
It's basic pattern recognition.
There is a very simple counterargument to this: an UE5 game that runs well. Tell all these incompetent faggot devs to get around to making a few of these and then we'll consider not blaming the shitty engine.

>>713687308 (OP)
>lists several good arguments against UE5
>doesn't refute any of them or even try
>just goes "why don't you just shut up and consume like me??"

Why are people like that allowed to live, I don't get it.

>>713708459
The engine was always dogshit. Rocksteady had to fork UE3 to make Arkham Knight look good and almost every UE4 game that runs well is a fork. The only UE5 version that had a semblance of working well is the nvRTX brabch.
Nowadays you have the problem of not only UE5 being a dogshit engine but also incompetent devs using dynamic lighting with unnecessarily many light sources in linear sections where the light sourced are fixed in position and angle. It's so fucking bad that on current UE5 build rasterized shadows are SLOWER than path traced shadows on the nvRTX branch if you're using a 4080 or faster.

>>713709041
even the Arkham games have that unreal vibe to them that detracts a bit, not where it ruins the experience but where you can tell it'd be better if it was another engine.

>>713687308 (OP)
This, I would argue UE5 is actually doing something with developing new technologies to push fidelity forward, making impossible scenes possible.

>in DX11 games shader compilation is handled by nvidia/amd driver aka software written by competent people
>works perfectly
>in DX12 it's handled by game devs themselves aka the most incompetent """ people""" on the planet
>stutter galore
Unreal Engine 5 and modern developers are basically the perfect storm. Awful software used by awful people.
Anyway, that'll be $80 + MTX. No refunds.

>>713687308 (OP)
>This isn't the problem!
>Never says what the real problem is
Interesting.

>>713687840
Because incompetent devs are the fault of incompetent leadership
Plus there are retards who wrongly believe that the people at the bottom of the pyramid can do not wrong, when incompetent, talentless devs are far more common by sheer numbers. Bethesda, for example, has absolute zero talent in their ranks across the entire company.

>>713709254
I agree but I think the 'UE feel' is very low on the priority of the engine's faults at this point in time.

>>713709331
Partially agree. At least what you wrote is true, but that does not translate into games.
Sure you can make beautiful scenes in UE. But try to run it as a game, and it just starts grinding, and more and more issues start popping up.

>>713709346
Sorry but you are incorrect.
DX11 games also have PSO stutters.

>>713709403
The real problem is tools that enable people to do things that they really shouldn't be doing, but that's an entirely different discussion that goes well beyond the scope of UE5.

>>713687840
The devs are bad, but the industry is full of bad devs because the way it's managed means they can't retain talent, and since they can't retain talent because of their shitty business practices they have to rely on a stream of constant new devs, they don't want to train these new devs because training costs money so they push deskilling standards like using UE, blueprints or every game having PBR so that the new devs come prepackaged with just-good-enough skills that allow them to shit out a decent semifunctional product that they wouldn't have been able to make hadn't they used these streamlined and easy to use tools.

tldr: devs are shit because that's what the industry wants to attract

>>713687840
Had you ever worked a day in your life you'd understand

>>713709448
"UE feel" is just devs using the default settings and not changing them in any way.

>>713687308 (OP)
>when reddit is the source of common sense
we just got owned guys

>>713704825
The most hilarious part is that DirectX11 and down do compile shaders quickly because they use a bytecode for storing shaders instead of raw HLSL like DX12, while vulkan use the LLVM bytecode to quickly translate.
It's like if microsoft went "You're not using the horrible mistake of OpenGL? okay, i'm using it"

>>713687308 (OP)
MAAAYBE
In fact MAAAAAAAYBE
Not making a fucking engine with a SHIT ASS CONSOLE IN MIND TO FUCK OTHER PLATFORMS AKA PLAYSTATION 5
was a bad idea, but Epiccucks will never admit it

>>713688015
Quake 2 lives to humiliate and dab everyone who shits on it hard

>>713710159
Decima Engine was built around PlayStation and it works good

>>713709331
shame the current gen consoles. even pro version are too weak for UE5 feature set. maybe with ps6 and fsr5+frame gen we'll get there.

>>713709676
Yeah the problem is incompetence from devs, more news at 11.

>>713710310
Death Stranding Engine is one thing anon, and it wasnt made for playstation in mind, it was made with all engines in mind just as idtech and cryengine

>>713687386
Ah yes cause MH Wilds runs great with its shader precompiling

>>713687308 (OP)
>the only people that can even be found saying anything positive are reddit shills directly from the unreal engine reddit
grim

>>713712460
Stop noticing the patterns bro

>>713687386
>it's not the engine or the devs it's the management
Then how come these performance problems didn't exist years ago when the same management was running things?

>>713687840
nobody said that

>>713687840
if you've got good managers and bad employees, you've still got bad managers, since their job is to manage, and that includes training and hiring/firing employees

>>713713038
>didn't exist years ago
because years ago gamers were a bit more ahead of the performance curve of the engines being used at the time. Due to lower gpu costs and running lower screen resolutions
Now a lot of gamers are priced out of getting to an upper midrange build to game. Either holding off upgrades too long or buy too low on the product stack as GPUs cross into $500-$700+ for even midrange.
Run over kill hardware for 1080p and one is pretty much fine for frame rate on anything but gamers want 4k right now and mock 1080p as worthless. Then wonder why their 3 gen back system can't play new shit at 2k 144+ fps with no dips.
Yes UR5 is a resource pig but you can't expect 2018 gear to play every 2025 game maxed out like it's still 2018.

>>713714967
I'm fine with 1080 and UE5 games have crap performance despite not looking particularly better than last gen games.

>>713687308 (OP)
Okay and does he have any counterarguments to offer or is he just whining like a bitch?

>>713703491
>that pic
Is that why STALKER2 doesn't have A-life? Because UE5 can't simulate npcs and the world outside of the little space around the player?

>>713718560
A-life offline simulation was patched in yesterday.

>>713719448
in s2 the world literally doesnt exist outside of player circle, let alone NPCs, they don't spawn otuside of it

>>713687308 (OP)
I wish developing a custom 3D game engine was viable for small teams, but the ship sailed a while ago at this point

>>713718971
Fuck off, grifter