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Anonymous No.713694287 [Report] >>713694457 >>713694726 >>713695213 >>713695524 >>713696236 >>713696278 >>713696336 >>713696607 >>713697008 >>713697195 >>713697293 >>713697350 >>713698112 >>713698265 >>713699315 >>713700135 >>713700673 >>713702092 >>713702223 >>713702279 >>713702857 >>713703425 >>713706794 >>713706947 >>713708864 >>713709168 >>713709987 >>713710376 >>713713043 >>713714175 >>713715145 >>713718959
Are there any techies out there that can actually confirm that this guy knows what he's talking about? I mean it feels like he's just flooding the information space with technical jargon to prevent people from fact checking him.
Anonymous No.713694450 [Report] >>713694598 >>713694645 >>713696384 >>713702106 >>713702452 >>713703376 >>713706947 >>713718662 >>713718893
he copyright claimed most of the videos that went over his stuff
seems like most got restored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ggOOFRAy9Q
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzz8_O3PIUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nznW1Vms4oU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGiEIKqn0CM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCKDr8ADd_w
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2f9fTwWtKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGID7LXgjJU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUmIfC8S3Z4
Anonymous No.713694457 [Report] >>713694645 >>713694876
>>713694287 (OP)
There are several videos out there by actual industry vets disproving his nonsense. Good luck finding them though because he erroneously flags them with false DMCA claims.
Anonymous No.713694598 [Report]
>>713694450
Don't forget that misinformation is a real thing and people do get paid by big corporations to hush any potential criticism that could cause bigger backlashes, such as bringing video game development industry problems to a bigger light and wider audience. This clearly is his way of fighting back but it also does make him look bad at first glance as general population doesn't even know what is happening behind the scenes.
Anonymous No.713694645 [Report] >>713694794 >>713694834 >>713694884 >>713695028 >>713695117 >>713698270 >>713708505 >>713712750
>>713694450
>>713694457
I'm not doubting it but I'd sooner die than willingly click on videos by people like these
Anonymous No.713694715 [Report]
i don't trust women that use that many cosmetic face filters
Anonymous No.713694726 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
This little faggot has such a punchable face. It makes me not even care whether he's right or wrong.
Anonymous No.713694794 [Report]
>>713694645
dapper looking individuals
Anonymous No.713694834 [Report] >>713697167
>>713694645
Holy soicuck, what the fuck is wrong with these faggots
Anonymous No.713694876 [Report]
>>713694457
double negative esl-kun
Anonymous No.713694884 [Report] >>713696332 >>713696567 >>713697272 >>713710125
>>713694645
He has the same energy as Alexander Fagaliga from Digital Faggotry.
Anonymous No.713695028 [Report] >>713695181
>>713694645
Doesn't really matter, the moment he copyright claimed people for criticizing him he exposed himself as a low T pussy
Anonymous No.713695117 [Report]
>>713694645
Sorry anon, not all gamedevs can be Thad Moldenhauer.
Anonymous No.713695181 [Report]
>>713695028
This.
Might as well transition at that point.
Anonymous No.713695213 [Report] >>713695256
>>713694287 (OP)
Temu Jerma?
Anonymous No.713695256 [Report]
>>713695213
Jerma if he was a spic and obsessed more with game settings than playing said games itself
Anonymous No.713695524 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
He doesn't need to prove shit when you can look at something like Sony's 1st-party efforts on a PS4 blowing the fuck out of anything made in UE5, while on vastly weaker hardware.
Anonymous No.713696236 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
He gives examples in his videos. Seems legit enough.
Anonymous No.713696278 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
I don't care if he's wrong, I support anyone attacking big corporations because it benefits me.
Anonymous No.713696332 [Report]
>>713694884
Honestly all 3 of those Digital Foundry guys give off those vibes. I wouldn't be surprised.
Anonymous No.713696336 [Report] >>713696461
>>713694287 (OP)
>Play any Unreal game
>It runs like shit
>It stutters like shit
>It smears like shit
That's enough proof for me.
Anonymous No.713696384 [Report] >>713696639 >>713696660 >>713696837 >>713706264 >>713714002
>>713694450
>Unreal Engine Sucks? You're doing it wrong
I've yet to see someone doing it right.
Anonymous No.713696461 [Report] >>713696562 >>713696704 >>713696750
>>713696336
LoP is great doe
Anonymous No.713696562 [Report]
>>713696461
that's not how hair works
Anonymous No.713696567 [Report] >>713701925
>>713694884
I looked this up and it's a different Alexander Battaglia unfortunately
Anonymous No.713696607 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
I work on game renderers / engines at work
The stuff he says is basically correct, like he doesn't make any big factual errors in his presentations, but when it comes to conclusions and opinions he doesn't say anything substantial or insightful
Anonymous No.713696639 [Report]
>>713696384
because it's not possible, UE has always been unusable dogshit from the very beginning
see: Hawken running like shit on UE3 and the chat box is a literal console window going "say"
Anonymous No.713696660 [Report] >>713697020
>>713696384
the guy asking for $900k certainly won't make it happen
fagPR is working with Epic now to make witcher 4 happen. maybe ti'll come out in a good state but they will rape the lore from here to sunday
Hitman and Red Dead are not on Unreal and both suffer smearmania. so clearly not isolated to Unreal except for the constant shader caching issues on PC with almost every release
Anonymous No.713696704 [Report]
>>713696461
Unreal Engine 4 masterrace
Anonymous No.713696750 [Report]
>>713696461
LoP uses UE4. My only real complaint with UE4 is severe filesize bloat and large updates of small fixes due to how UE4 bakes its files.
Anonymous No.713696801 [Report] >>713696895 >>713696958 >>713699672 >>713701320 >>713702226 >>713712543
This fucking retard... If you want games to look like this you have to break some eggs.
Anonymous No.713696837 [Report] >>713697095 >>713716481
>>713696384
I was going to try and retort, but I've looked and all UE titles that ran well used UE4 instead of 5.

Apparently UE5 Fortnite runs fine though, so there's that I guess.
Anonymous No.713696895 [Report] >>713696957
>>713696801
No, I want games to have soul again.
Anonymous No.713696957 [Report] >>713697057
>>713696895
But they can have soul and look good at the same time.
Anonymous No.713696958 [Report] >>713697003
>>713696801
>Matrix demo
>1440p on PS5
>Barely holds 30fps
>It's a small slice of what could have been an actual game, meaning they optimized the fuck out of it presumably
Spider-Man 2 looks as good without the pitfalls of UE5.
Anonymous No.713697003 [Report] >>713697023 >>713706136
>>713696958
Not even close. This demo is the biggest leap since Crysis.
Anonymous No.713697008 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
Stop making threads about yourself and get some cosmetic surgery for those DSLs, faggot.
Anonymous No.713697020 [Report]
>>713696660
>itman and Red Dead are not on Unreal and both suffer smearmania
but both of those run great on older hardware.
Sure their visuals are a bit dimminished from TAA but they look great besides that.
Anonymous No.713697023 [Report] >>713697274
>>713697003
It looked fucking blurry on my console, as do most UE5 games.
Anonymous No.713697057 [Report] >>713697370
>>713696957
With UE5 I can barely tell the games apart.
Anonymous No.713697095 [Report]
>>713696837
>Apparently UE5 Fortnite runs fine though, so there's that I guess.
It actually runs worse then UE4 even after you turn off the UE5 shit in the game. Just the game already had headroom above 60fps on most setups, so most didn't notice.
Anonymous No.713697167 [Report]
>>713694834
its always validation
Anonymous No.713697195 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
I have nothing against this dude because everything he complains about UE are valid, but everything he does seems like pointing out the problems (which is easy), offering solutions (which is easy), but not actually performing or acting on the solutions (which is hard).
The fact that nobody is going to do anything is tragic.
Anonymous No.713697225 [Report] >>713706595
saw in a thread last month this guy can't even code?
Anonymous No.713697272 [Report] >>713697334
>>713694884
Hopefully the feds get on your case for promoting libel.
Anonymous No.713697274 [Report]
>>713697023
Well, you have to sacrifice something somewhere, when you want to render whole fuckhuge city without any loadings, popups, with dynamic physics and time of day, there is always a tradeoff in some form, and this is that this griefter from OP post dont want to say. When crysis came out the hardware to run it perfectly did not exist, now on modern hardware Crysis will run perfectly but the fidelity is nowhere close despite diminishing returns. But sure let him create anti aliasing to end all anti aliasing...
Anonymous No.713697293 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
No one has actually disproven anything he's said.
Anonymous No.713697334 [Report]
>>713697272
>@NVIDIA @NINTENDO @BIDEN DO SOMETHING!!!!
Anonymous No.713697350 [Report] >>713699253
>>713694287 (OP)
>presents himself like a schizophrenic autistic truther grifter
And just like that he lost all credibility. If he'd presented himself like a sane, rational human being then he could have made a dent in public discourse, but no, instead he's just another "political channel" in the eyes of the world. Fucking bizarre but that's what autism does, I guess, allows you to figure this shit out, disallows you from presenting it to the world like a sane person.
For clarity's sake: he's right about the tech shit. He's completely wrong in how he goes about presenting it.
Anonymous No.713697370 [Report] >>713699596 >>713702073
>>713697057
Thats not the engine problem.
Anonymous No.713698112 [Report] >>713699335 >>713699390 >>713706468
>>713694287 (OP)
>can't code
>can't into avanced maths
>didn't go to university
>have 0 knowledge in any scientific field whatsoever
>can't into logical thinking
>only spams generic computer graphics lingo at high speed

please gib money, i will make my own graphic engine better than professionally trained engineers LMAO
Anonymous No.713698265 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
>Says what everyone already has observed (UE5 games all look and run like shit)
>People who look like they're gay "Errrrrrm that's not correct THOUGH"
I believe him
Anonymous No.713698270 [Report]
>>713694645
Jesas, looks like the embodiment of I read it on reddit.
Anonymous No.713699253 [Report]
>>713697350
what do you expect? you need to be on the spectrum to to be both knowledgeable and passionate enough to bring awareness on a technical subject
Anonymous No.713699315 [Report] >>713699398
>>713694287 (OP)
He doesn't

t. Engine/Graphics programmer
Anonymous No.713699335 [Report]
>>713698112
>than professionally trained engineers LMAO
doesn't seem like the bar is quite high nowdays when you can just offload all the performances on the users.
Anonymous No.713699390 [Report]
>>713698112
Nice! What's the donation link?
Anonymous No.713699398 [Report] >>713699563
>>713699315
He does
t. Engine/Graphics programmer
Anonymous No.713699563 [Report] >>713699779 >>713699847
>>713699398
Show me your Vulkan renderer.

Here's mine.
Anonymous No.713699596 [Report]
>>713697370
Not even 5 games are similar in that image you fucking retard. Get better material. It's not that hard.
Anonymous No.713699672 [Report] >>713706497
>>713696801
looks worse than GTA 4
Anonymous No.713699779 [Report] >>713699828
>>713699563
And then what? that's going to be your word against mine, i wasted my time humoring 4channers requests just to see the goalpost shifting over and over.
Anonymous No.713699828 [Report] >>713699924
>>713699779
Sure buddy.
Anonymous No.713699847 [Report] >>713701864
>>713699563
>ps2 graphics
>frametime 6.8ms
bro what are you doing
Anonymous No.713699924 [Report]
>>713699828
yep, I clearly dodged a bullet. It's not about facts with you but about being right. Take your internet win, buddy.
Anonymous No.713700002 [Report] >>713707951 >>713711082
Bootlickers generally can't fight him for one simple reason:
>Guy A says, "Unreal Engine games run like crap and look like shit."
>Guy B says, "He's a grifter, Unreal Engine is good."
>Guy C, the consumer, plays the game made with Unreal Engine, and it runs like crap and looks like shit.

Obviously, people are going to side with the guy whose speech aligns with what they're seeing. It's like the phenomenon in politics, where a leftist talks about how diversity is good, but people go out on the street and see a lot of diversity destroying their community. It's impossible to win someone's sympathy without first adjusting your discourse to at least align with what people's senses are detecting.
In other words, the guys opposed to that fag from Thread Interactive should first admit that Unreal Engine games run like crap and look like shit, and only after this basic acknowledgment of reality, should they point out what's wrong with his speech. But look how the guys who oppose him are literally stereotypes of liberals, and liberals are incapable of making this kind of concession because their morality is tied to socio-political opinions that cannot be confronted, otherwise they become "Nazis". So to maintain consistency, they prefer to ignore reality, even when it comes to rendering fucking video games.
Anonymous No.713700135 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
who's this cute twink
Anonymous No.713700673 [Report] >>713700884
>>713694287 (OP)
he says a lot of stuff without really fully understanding what he was saying.
from memory one was he loaded up a scene to prove Nanite has a performance overhead, but everyone knows it does, even unreal says it does.
to him and his uneducated audience it was some "gotcha", to anyone technical it was clear hes not an expert in this field.
Anonymous No.713700884 [Report]
>>713700673
>he says a lot of stuff without really fully understanding what he was saying.
>So here is example of him being right but giving a commonly known information
Ammm, what?
Anonymous No.713701320 [Report]
>>713696801
That's not a game lol. It's a corridor shooter designed to show off graphics which nothing could run in an actual game.
Anonymous No.713701372 [Report]
Unreal Engine is objectively dogshit, idk how anyone can defend and not be a corporate shill.
Anonymous No.713701861 [Report] >>713701924 >>713701968 >>713702079 >>713702156 >>713702164 >>713704890
STOP. BEING. POOR
Anonymous No.713701864 [Report]
>>713699847
Vsync is on, framerate is capped.

The scene doesn't show it off but the lighting is on the level of Crysis 1.
Anonymous No.713701924 [Report]
>>713701861
MORE BROWN
MORE BLOOM
MORE POST PROCESSING
MORE ANTI-SOUL GAS
HNNNNNNNGH
Anonymous No.713701925 [Report]
>>713696567
Proofs?
Anonymous No.713701968 [Report]
>>713701861
I hate how smeared that game is.
Anonymous No.713702073 [Report]
>>713697370
blame customizationfags and controllers for those inventories you fucking retard
UE5 is garbage, end of story
Anonymous No.713702079 [Report]
>>713701861
>tfw UE5 hair
Anonymous No.713702092 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
I'm a techie, can confirm. UE is slop that ruins the industry.
Anonymous No.713702106 [Report]
>>713694450
That little faggot's fanbase flooded the first video with
>BUT ACTUALLY!
I genuinely hope this kid and his third-world followers die.
Anonymous No.713702156 [Report]
>>713701861
I LOVE VASELINE ON MY SCREEN
Anonymous No.713702164 [Report] >>713707067
>>713701861
there is actual soul in that image, but imagine if it had been done in a different engine
fucking smeary shit
Anonymous No.713702223 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
He shits on TAA and AIgen slop so that's enough for me
Anonymous No.713702226 [Report]
>>713696801
>If you want games to look like this
Like shit?
Anonymous No.713702234 [Report] >>713704180 >>713704309 >>713704890 >>713711005
stop being poor. that's all you have to do nothing else. it's just one single step. stop being poor.
Anonymous No.713702279 [Report] >>713702621 >>713703061 >>713705112
>>713694287 (OP)
Kevin is a literal bitch who copyright strikes any videos criticizing him AND also constantly manually removes comments on his videos that do the same. He's thin-skinned as fuck which is ironic.
Some of the stuff he says in videos is good but that's the baseline "Games run bad now. Fix it" message, everything after that is retarded shit and generally wrong 90% of the time.

The best thing he has are his thumbnails though, they are legitimately hilarious and show he doesn't take himself too seriously. The fucking super-villain pose in the KCD2 one has me cheesin' every fucking time
Anonymous No.713702320 [Report] >>713702598 >>713703305
I genuinely believe the theory about the smog being put there by pajeets that think it's normal.
Anonymous No.713702452 [Report] >>713702568 >>713709297
>>713694450
I started from the fourth video and went up, here are my findings:
Didn't click first video.
Refuse to watch second video because the guy looks like a faggot
Third video they don't know anything about game development (their own words), but they think he's a le bad person.
Fourth video the guy says threat interactive is right and he agrees with him with certain things, but... Hes debunked? Stopped watching half way and no debunking yet.

These debunkers were worse than I expected, and my expectations were very low.
Anonymous No.713702568 [Report] >>713702959 >>713703142
>>713702452
Zoomie, The faggot kid is literally copystriking multiple people. Just a couple years ago that was the kiss of death for online creators. Seems he has actual cultists like you sweep it up for him. Pathetic.
Anonymous No.713702598 [Report]
>>713702320
lol
Anonymous No.713702621 [Report] >>713708371 >>713708534
>>713702279
So why does UE5 run like shit? Lumen and Nanite?
Anonymous No.713702857 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
he is the tech equivalent of that gay furry who ruined the repositry of scottish language with false information
Anonymous No.713702959 [Report]
>>713702568
What I see is:
- a lot of modern games look mediocre or bad in many areas
- a lot of modern games perform UNBELIEVABLY poorly
You literally get comparable games that look worse than releases from 10 years ago in many areas, while running 10x slower.
TI is criticizing the programmers. Whether he's technically right or wrong, I have no idea, it's way over my head.
The programmers are 'debunking' his claims, which is all well and good. They can have all the explanations in the world. I want my games to look nice and crisp and perform well. You may be the new Einstein and be the world champion in algebra, if the game you worked on performs poorly - you're wrong.
At this point, I really don't care who's technically right. TI is right in spirit: there's a huge issue with modern game optimization, especially UE5. Even if his diagnosis is wrong, the problem he's tackling is very much real.
Until this improves, I will support anyone challenging the status quo.
Anonymous No.713703061 [Report] >>713708534
>>713702279
>redditspacing
>90% of
opinion discarded.
Anonymous No.713703142 [Report]
>>713702568
>The faggot kid is literally copystriking multiple people
so that means unreal engine 5 is actually good and it's all in our head?
Anonymous No.713703305 [Report]
>>713702320
heh, you'll know for sure if GTA6 npc's start shitting on the street
Anonymous No.713703376 [Report]
>>713694450
it's a good thing what he does, fuck them, mentally ill ue users
Anonymous No.713703425 [Report] >>713703938
>>713694287 (OP)
just as a noob getting into it i can see what hes complaining about, its nothing that most dont already know, you open any popular engine, you throw in some default assets you write a tiny bit of code, you enable default lighting and boom a giant oversized game with too much unnecessary garbage slowing down your game. i can see how some people in this process will easily skip over and be unaware of bloat
Anonymous No.713703938 [Report]
>>713703425
>i can see how some people in this process will easily skip over and be unaware of bloat
You're making two errors.
One, it's not "some" people. It's pretty much the entire industry.
Two, AAA studios are fully aware of what they're doing. It's just cheaper to produce garbage and that's all what large companies care about.
Anonymous No.713704180 [Report]
>>713702234
yeah ok ue dev
sauce
Anonymous No.713704309 [Report]
>>713702234
not buy jewvidai, not buying ue slop, you are getting laid off
Anonymous No.713704890 [Report]
>>713701861
>>713702234
>stop kvetching
shalom Rabbi
Anonymous No.713705112 [Report] >>713708534
>>713702279
>d show he doesn't take himself too seriously
Considering his behaviour, I wouldn't be surprised if he genuinly feels like some genius badass like on his thumbnails
Anonymous No.713706136 [Report]
>>713697003
Lmao
Anonymous No.713706264 [Report] >>713706897
>>713696384
Wasn't Expedition 33 an UE5 game? It ran significantly better than any other UE5 game I've played with minimal tweaking of settings.
Anonymous No.713706468 [Report] >>713708205
>>713698112
>Implements better AA methods than multitrillion-dollar corporations
>Debunks Nanite and Lumen
>Shows optimized and pretty graphics done right with tips and tradeoffs

I would never give him a penny but I think you need to shut the fuck up, faggot.

>REDEEM THE NVIDIA 9090 SAAAR!!
Anonymous No.713706497 [Report]
>>713699672
You don't know what GTV4 looks like.
Anonymous No.713706595 [Report] >>713708591 >>713709130
>>713697225
he got filtered
Anonymous No.713706794 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
Modern day John Carmack, he saved gaming
Anonymous No.713706897 [Report]
>>713706264
it's certainly better than anything else i've seen on ue5 but it still has significant issues. also it crashes a lot, though that's now mitigated by nvidia's latest drivers.
as always it's faggot lazy devs causing problems, unreal is partly to blame for letting them be so fucking lazy though. nobody will ever convince me that threat interactive isn't a low iq moron
Anonymous No.713706947 [Report]
>>713694450 >>713694287 (OP)
>4 minutes apart
be less obvious next time fucking falseflagging retard
Anonymous No.713707067 [Report]
>>713702164
>soul
-1 fog layer every game 200 units closer to u?
lmfasdopfapijousdf

kys really if u think like this
Anonymous No.713707818 [Report]
its fucking insane how subhuman retards are defending ue5 when all they do is show 5 niggers in their 5.6 showcase to win them over
Anonymous No.713707951 [Report]
>>713700002
Underrated post
Anonymous No.713708205 [Report] >>713708514
>>713706468
>Implements better AA methods than multitrillion-dollar corporations
Ok when did he do this? This should be good.
Anonymous No.713708371 [Report] >>713708708
>>713702621
Both to an extent, but nanite is worse as it encourages using unoptimised assets and expecting nanite to fix it in realtime which obviously has performance costs. Normal LOD's might lead to bigger file sizes, but is way easier for the engine to handle.
Anonymous No.713708505 [Report]
>>713694645
If you listen to anybody that even remotely resembles this idiot, you should probably just end it now for the good of the human race.
Anonymous No.713708514 [Report]
>>713708205
Might be the DF video, some older one I think
Anonymous No.713708534 [Report] >>713708727 >>713710130
>>713702621
Generally both of them and most dev teams don't have a fucking clue on how to use them properly and just enable them and leave it without actually working on it.

>>713703061
Spacing paragraphs isn't what reddit spacing is you tourist, reddit spacing is something else

>>713705112
He probably does because he seems pretty autistic but the KCD2 one is too perfect to not be done ironically
Anonymous No.713708591 [Report]
>>713706595
what the fuck is this grifter doing lmao
Anonymous No.713708708 [Report] >>713708919
>>713708371
>Normal LOD's might lead to bigger file sizes, but is way easier for the engine to handle.
Why does every game abruptly replace models with different levels of detail? Or at best, they create a ridiculous dithering effect.
Has no one ever invented a way to interpolate models? Something where the simplest model slowly morphs into a more complex one?
Anonymous No.713708727 [Report] >>713709473
>>713708534
>Spacing paragraphs isn't what reddit spacing is you tourist, reddit spacing is something else
paragraph isn't spacing every single sentence.
Anonymous No.713708864 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
needs dick correction
Anonymous No.713708919 [Report]
>>713708708
That's essentially what nanite does lol, it just calcuates the changes in real time rather than going between preset models
Anonymous No.713709130 [Report]
>>713706595
This has never been proven to be him by the way. But they'll swear up and down its him.
Anonymous No.713709168 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
Outrage grifter. I've noticed that casuals and boomers can't tell grifters from the real thing. And since they're the majority, people like this guy manage to become popular. So most people my age are too wound up in real life problems to worry about this shit.
Anonymous No.713709297 [Report] >>713710376
>>713702452
>Refuse to watch second video because the guy looks like a faggot
Mate look at the "unreal is bad" dude. He wears actual makeup he is the poofter.
Anonymous No.713709473 [Report] >>713709579
>>713708727
it still isn't redditspacing thoughbeit
Anonymous No.713709579 [Report]
>>713709473
it literally is, redditspacing is the result of misunderstanding the difference in formatting between 4chan and reddit.
Anonymous No.713709987 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
>Are there any techies out there that can actually confirm that this guy knows what he's talking about?
He's like those climate change kids. "You have to do better." And then refuses to elaborate how.
Anonymous No.713710125 [Report]
>>713694884
>literal entrapment
>paid a 15 yr old and put him into a position of harm too
Those cops should be arrested 2bh.
Anonymous No.713710130 [Report] >>713710426
>>713708534
No you have to keep your text as one giant indecipherable blob with no flow or it isn't trve 4chan posting.
Anonymous No.713710376 [Report] >>713710496
>>713709297
>>713694287 (OP)
Why does this nigger look AI generated?
Anonymous No.713710426 [Report]
>>713710130
True, to be a true indian shill you must only post 1 line otherwise the translation gets too tricky and it harms the product.
Anonymous No.713710496 [Report]
>>713710376
He does ay.
That was my first thought even.

>making up a persona to retort for the sake of fake beef and marketing
Clever.
Anonymous No.713710830 [Report] >>713710987
What's wrong with Unreal Engine?
Anonymous No.713710987 [Report] >>713711362 >>713711370
>>713710830
Whats right with it?
But to answer your question
>Horribly optimized
>low bar of entry
>>leading to amateurs spewing out garbage en masse
>looks awful because of the technologies it utilizes
Anonymous No.713711005 [Report]
>>713702234
I love boob veins
Anonymous No.713711082 [Report] >>713714731
>>713700002
>muh left muh liberals muh diversity
you faggots really can't help it holy shit
inb4
>dilate shitlib
Thank you for proving my point.
Anonymous No.713711362 [Report] >>713711967 >>713712285 >>713713258 >>713716248
>>713710987
>>Horribly optimized
Is the engine unoptimized or are the games unoptimized?
>low bar of entry
How is that a bad thing?
>leading to amateurs spewing out garbage en masse
That's fine. 4chan works the same way.
>looks awful because of the technologies it utilizes
How so? I thought UE games looked good enough.
Anonymous No.713711370 [Report]
>>713710987
>Whats right with it?
You can very cheaply produce an AAA-looking game with it. Throw in Pajeet-produced highres assets directly out of the renderer, slap some Lumen-light onto it and Nanite takes care of the rest.
Anonymous No.713711967 [Report] >>713713129
>>713711362
>Is the engine unoptimized or are the games unoptimized?
The engine, nanite and lumen are those technologies that not only tanks your framerate, but also looks like shit.
>How is that a bad thing?
heres an analogy: you grow an apple tree, it can grow 100 apples in a week, but 99 of those apples taste like shit. do you have a good apple tree?
>That's fine. 4chan works the same way.
a bit irrelevant as a shitposting site thrives on garbage, while the gaming industry does not, just look at the pre NES era of gaming.
>How so? I thought UE games looked good enough.
The amount of artifacting lumen produces is astonishing. it becomes very distracting to see ghosting everywhere. while upscaling isnt unique to unreal engine, they do heavily rely on it just to achieve somewhat playable framerates, which again produces distracting artifacting.

I'll take crisp jaggies any day of the week.
Anonymous No.713711968 [Report]
That guy tries to make you think he knows everything, and he counts on you not understanding the specifics in order to convince you and keeps sidestepping parts that don't suit his argument. But his elaborations kinda suck.

Look I can do it too.

>You don't actually need to spec into plasma to deal with scab ragers or crushers in Warhammer: Darktide. You're locking yourself into a slow subpar playstyle by speccing into that, plasma is unwieldy and boring. All the youtubers suggesting plasma are shit at the game and have never touched Havoc difficulty and haven't actually played last year when veteran players solved this without these new gimmicks. All you need to do is build your Shredder autogun around Backracker and around elite damage blessings, fire while dodging backwards. That's literally it. The ragers and crushers won't touch you due to the suppression and Backracker effect.

If you've never played Warhammer: Darktide and you obliviously read this in a vacuum this will sound like I know what I'm talking about, but if you have you played it you will realize what a pile of garbage this quote is and you're better off not listening. It's right at its general points but it misleads and leads to dumb one-sided conclusions that don't translate well to realistic scenarios. I counted on your ignorance about Darktide to convince you that I'm telling the truth, I sounded asssertive and used words you aren't sure about, and I sidestepped explaining anything.

The optimization dude does the same shit when talking about graphics rendering. His general points are correct (shit developers outsourcing their work to customer hardware, clarity issues with post-process effects, Unreal being a mess and a red flag it might be a technical mess) but whenever he tries to elaborate or get into the meat of the subject, it becomes clear that the height of his expertise is just copypasting r.TemporalAASamples=1 into engine.ini.
Anonymous No.713712285 [Report] >>713713129
>>713711362
>It's not the engine that is unoptimized, it's a coincidence that 100% of games have the same issues
Anonymous No.713712458 [Report]
UE5 enables the production of cheap slop games, so studios use UE5 to produce cheap slop games.
A lot of the problems would be helped if the UE5 standard settings would be performance optimized and not the highest cinematic settings.
Anonymous No.713712543 [Report]
>>713696801
gta sa tier
Anonymous No.713712750 [Report]
>>713694645
agree
Anonymous No.713713043 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
he admitted he doesn't know what he's saying but it's ok because his audience doesn't either
Anonymous No.713713129 [Report] >>713713229
>>713712285
That's true tho. Even non-UE games are unoptimized in the same way. Just look at MH Wilds
>>713711967
The purpose of nanite and lumen is to make development faster and easier since now devs don't have to worry about LODs and baking lighting.
>you grow an apple tree, it can grow 100 apples in a week, but 99 of those apples taste like shit. do you have a good apple tree?
>food analogy
>shitposting site thrives on garbage, while the gaming industry does not
I don't think people who spread lies about UE are industry professionals. They mostly just beginners and amateurs.
>The amount of artifacting lumen produces is astonishing. it becomes very distracting to see ghosting everywhere. while upscaling isnt unique to unreal engine, they do heavily rely on it just to achieve somewhat playable framerates, which again produces distracting artifacting.
That's fair.
Anonymous No.713713229 [Report] >>713713424
>>713713129
>The purpose of nanite and lumen is to make development faster and easier since now devs don't have to worry about LODs and baking lighting.
Yes, and we're getting worse products because of it.
Anonymous No.713713258 [Report]
>>713711362
>>Horribly optimized
>Is the engine unoptimized or are the games unoptimized?
/v/ tends to use the word "optimised" to mean "runs fast on normal hardware" which isn't really what it means. Optimised means it solves the problem in the best way they can and in that sense lumen and nanite and TAA and everything else IS optimised. Except what they optimise FOR is ease of implementation for developers, NOT performance. These technologies make it incredibly easy for small teams of inexperienced people to get okay, AAA-like results for very little effort. What they are not though, is fast or good looking. They aren't optimising for quality or performance, but for onboarding more low skill devs as fast as possible which is all the AAA studios want in life.
Anonymous No.713713424 [Report]
>>713713229
>Yes, and we're getting worse products because of it.
That's just the nature of AAA development as it isn't sustainable enough to warrant not taking shortcuts during development.
Anonymous No.713714002 [Report] >>713714332 >>713714719
>>713696384
Visions of Mana, GG Strive, Tales of Arise, Scarlet Nexus, P3 Reload.
Don't give a shit whether you think those games are good or not but the point that every UE4/5 game looks the same just isn't true. It's lazy devs who are the problem.
Anonymous No.713714175 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
This "guy" is just an ai generated avatar.
Anonymous No.713714332 [Report]
>>713714002
>UE4/5 game looks the same just isn't true
Did I say that they look the same?
Anonymous No.713714719 [Report] >>713715770
>>713714002
Thing is, you don't have as much of a point as you think you have. The reason those games look better than most UE games is because they purposefully use less of the engine than other games. When the path to having a good looking UE game is to minimise your use of their "technology" it's not a good advert for the engine.
This is actually typical of development, whether it's games or spreadsheets. You take a codebase, rip it apart and then put it back together, replacing the shit bits with your own stuff. When you're done you have to question whether it was a waste of time to build your foundations on someone else's sand pile or should you have taken the scarier step of starting from your own empty lot so you spent less time dealing with bullshit.
Anonymous No.713714731 [Report] >>713716213 >>713717076
>>713711082
It's a perfect example for the case being discussed here.
Look at how one of the “debunkers” there, a guy who is the stereotypical liberal, starts his video by explaining that it's a lie that anti-aliasing can be sharp. He is literally denying reality, inventing a supposedly scientific explanation to reach the conclusion that all anti-aliasing is actually blurry, and thus he “debunks” the faggot from Thread Interactive. You can't get a message across to someone when you're directly contradicting what people see with their own eyes. People know that there are anti-aliasing solutions that aren't all blurry, but the liberal stereotype there refuses to even accept this reality and immediately says that what people are seeing with their own eyes is false.
This is exactly what happens when leftists say that diversity is our strength, for example.
Anonymous No.713714869 [Report]
Are there better engine than UE?
Anonymous No.713715145 [Report]
>>713694287 (OP)
My biggest point of contention is that he puts such care to ensure he looks well groomed, has good lighting, etc. Yet he refuses to iron his fucking wrinkly ass shirts.
Anonymous No.713715770 [Report]
>>713714719
>if you dont use lumen or nanite then you should make your own engine
lol fucking retard
Anonymous No.713716213 [Report]
>>713714731
>People know that there are anti-aliasing solutions that aren't all blurry
MSAA doesn't scale well, it only fixes aliasing on simple geometry and becomes unusably slow when you have polycounts that are higher than a ps2 game.
Anonymous No.713716248 [Report]
>>713711362
>Is the engine unoptimized or are the games unoptimized?
The actual answer is somewhere in an intersection between
>New features like Lumen and Nanite are sold as easy solutions without explaining the performance costs
>Unreal's documentation is dogshit
>Epic Games gives no real explanation about how to optimise these features. Those that figure it out just keep that knowledge to themselves.
>Shading models for things like hair are built around TAA so look like shit without it
>General industry trend towards chasing graphics, buzzwords like raytracing and higher end machines/consoles ("works on my machine :)")
>General industry trend towards relying on skipping optimisation passes to just use tricks like DLSS.
>A lot of consumers still running decades old hardware and expecting the same results with modern games.
Anonymous No.713716481 [Report]
>>713696837
>Apparently UE5 Fortnite runs fine though, so there's that I guess.
The game the engine was made for runs alright? Surprising.
Anonymous No.713717076 [Report] >>713717457
>>713714731
>a guy who is the stereotypical liberal, starts his video by explaining that it's a lie that anti-aliasing can be sharp. He is literally denying reality
He is not denying reality. Every single antialiasing method is a softening of the image, some just soften it more than other. Even MSAA or SSAA soften the image compared to the raw unantialiased image, because antialiasing is innately about toning down the high contrast neighboring pixels - and this visually manifests as softening of the image. There is no such thing as blurless antialiasing, no not even SSAA is that. The only way to lessen aliasing while preserving the original clarity is to just increase your resolution. It's cool that you're trying to seem smart with all of this being a metaphor for politics, but it all falls apart because blurless antialiasing does NOT exist.
Anonymous No.713717251 [Report] >>713717585
If you used UE, you by no means made the fucking game.
Anonymous No.713717457 [Report]
>>713717076
Good post
Anonymous No.713717585 [Report]
>>713717251
Nonsensical take
Anonymous No.713718662 [Report]
>>713694450
>every non-game developer: code is slow, and it's ruining customer experience which is hurting the company, let's think about how can we optimize it
>game developers: you don't understand broo, we can't do better than this slow garbage we shipped, technology is simply not there, you're wrong, I'm smart.
I'm tired of this shit. Take criticism you fucks.
Anonymous No.713718893 [Report]
>>713694450
I like how unemployed youtubers are telling literal expert game developers in the industry that they're using UE5 wrong instead of saying what the game engine is, garbage.
Anonymous No.713718959 [Report] >>713719414 >>713719667 >>713720061
>>713694287 (OP)
I couldnt care less if he knew what he was talking about or not the biggest things for me are
>rightfully names lumen and nanite as dogshit that chugs your computers hardware
>rightfully calls TAA complete dogshit of an AA along with other AIslopgen
>rightfully shows that with a little effort UE doesnt have to be as horrible as it is
on the opposite side you have
>noooo the programmers dont suck
>noooo unreal engine doesnt suck
>hair is supposed to look like razorwire
>its untrue that high end rigs struggle with new games, i play oblivion completely maxed out
>no i will not post a video
>even if it DID have performance issues is likely your fault stop running 10 year old hardware
>you arent an expert on anything so shut up and and stop complaining
im just tired of being fucking gaslit that shit i am seeing with my own eyes isnt actually real especially knowing that it doesnt have to be this way. KCD2 which is on cryengine, is fucking impeccable visually even on lower settings and runs very well all around. Having the same amount of grass/trees would literally be an impossible task for UE or need graphics cards that havent been invented yet to stutter along at 17-31 fps.
There is a problem im just tired of people fucking lying to me that there isnt. Its not the engines fault, its not the game makers fault, theres just nothing that can be done because all of the details that you notice arent actually important and its just autism making your experience bad. Games are not noticeably better enough to justify the system requirements
>red faction guerilla
>CPU: 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor (Intel Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon X2)
>CPU SPEED: 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor
>RAM: 2 GB
>VIDEO CARD: 256 MB 3D Video Card w/Shader Model 3.0 Support (Nvidia GeForce 8800/ATI Radeon HD3850)
>TOTAL VIDEO RAM: 256 MB
>FREE DISK SPACE: 15 GB
you could make that kind of game with with such little requirements but, thats just impossible now for some unknown reason.
Anonymous No.713719414 [Report] >>713719864
>>713718959
>KCD2 which is on cryengine, is fucking impeccable visually even on lower settings and runs very well all around
but that game is woke
Anonymous No.713719667 [Report]
>>713718959
All of that is fine, but grifters need to kill themselves
Anonymous No.713719864 [Report]
>>713719414
>do you want to engage in gay
>yes
>are you sure
>yes
>wtf why gay
skill issue
Anonymous No.713720061 [Report]
>>713718959
>its just autism making your experience bad
This is factually true and undeniable.