Assuming you’re pro NCR or just anti-Legion, why shouldn’t Joshua Graham be killed immediately? Isn’t killing him justice? People kill Oliver Swanick for far less.

But I did

>>713696383 (OP)
maybe i like listening to him ramble

>>713696383 (OP)
>pro NCR

>>713696383 (OP)
He's already done his trial and tribulations.

>>713697038
>one execution accounts for 20 years of genocide

>>713696383 (OP)
The Mormon Zion niggas are better off with him alive and leading them from the perspective of the NCR, keep the caravans going.

>>713696383 (OP)
He is cool. Oliver Swanick isn't cool.
I don't kill Swanick either, I use console commands to recruit him as a disposable follower a-la the NCR radio trooper.

>>713697230
something something Iroh

>>713696886
Pro Legion is the reddit choice.
Pro NCR is the manly choice.

>>713696383 (OP)
He's cool though, I don't kill cool people.

>>713696383 (OP)
if you kill everyone who has ever done bad things, even if they fully repent, why would anyone ever stop being evil? you need to give people some clemency if you dont want all your enemies to fight to the bitter end and then some.

>>713696383 (OP)
Shouldn't you kill him if you're pro-Legion too?

>>713697569
based
i tried the oliver swanick companion mod which i expected to just be a very barebones shitpost mod but it's actually hilarious how much effort's gone in to it, the dude never shuts the fuck up, comments on everything you do, everywhere you go, basically won't go 30 seconds without talking, and it's never particularly funny but it's so unfunny it becomes funny
feel like the dude really captured the spirit of swanick

>>713698063
is it ai voiced or what?

>>713697682
>comparing "bad things" to a man who headed up an army that killed and enslaved thousands and personally murdered dozens
You kill a lot more in game for a lot less

>>713698251
and if ncr could have made him defect, they would have been le bad to do that?

>>713697642
>Pro Legion
>Reddit
If anyone on Reddit and Discord even suspects you like the Legion, you will be banned.

>>713698241
lowenthal is a half step above a text-to-voice program anyway

>>713698241
yea, it's ai, not stitched like say living desert, so the dude making it just put in like 10,000 lines of dialogue to ensure swanick's as obnoxious as possible

I killed him for being a Mormon

>>713697642
Legion is gay but the NCR is leddit's favorite faction ever.

>>713696383 (OP)
Look the guy's already got fucked up burns for life, let him live with his sin. He's probably hellbound anyway.

>>713696383 (OP)
I don't care, he was nice to me
Unlike Daniel, Never had a game outright call me a goy before.

>>713698356
What kind of retarded ass rebuttal is this meant to be

>he did enough bad things to justify being killed
>BUT WHATABOUT <thing that didnt happen>
Sit down and shut up while adults are talking

>>713698938
calm down you seething autist. if you think people need to pay for their sins with death even if they are turning a new leaf then thats fine. i was trying to introduce a thought experiment where you can make a moral choice that ultimately leads to less suffering overall even if you cant satisfy your need for justice to perhaps make you reflect, but i cam see introducing such hypotheticals to you is about as useful as asking a nigger how he would feel if he didnt eat breakfast.

He's Mormon, that's reason enough to kill him. Fucker is damning entire tribes to hellfire.

>>713700218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbNnsiP4Rhg

>>713700218
at least mormons have a solution to the evidential problem of evil. christians lack an answer so they just propose you submit to authority and accept it without question.

>>713700492
What's their solution?

>>713696383 (OP)
why would i kill a guy that wants to kill Caesar as much as i?

>>713700576
the mormon god is not omnipotent, he is a subject to the laws of the universe that exist independently from him.

>>713700689
>god
>not omnipotent
Why in the name of Mormon Jesus is he god then?

>>713700827
to mormons, he is god because he is exalted, morally perfect, incredibly powerful and has fully mastered all eternal laws.

>>713700689
So I should blindly submit to an authority that isn't even sovereign over everything? Doesn't this just solve one problem to create another? Who created the mormon god?

>>713700982
oh plus he is omnibenevolent.
also, mormons are usually quiet about it, but you should know they have some pretty spicy beliefs like becoming gods in their own right themselves through him.

>>713700982
Okay but sounds like a demigod to me like Vivec.

>>713701007
they consider some things to be coeternal with god. youre right to feel dissatisfied with that, but dont all religions ultimately require blind submission of you poke enough holes at them? at least mormons have a sayisfying answer to injustice and excessive suffering, which i find more emotionally appealing than reflecting on the metaphysics of god.

>>713697230
Technically yeah

>>713701365
Agree to disagree I guess. I find Christ's condescension into our suffering as a sufficient answer, as well as the eventual restoration of the world in the second coming.

>>713696383 (OP)
>reddit choice.
what the fuck does this even mean at this point

>>713701646
thats why i speak of the evidential problem of evil. you could make a case for human suffering ultimately enabling greater good (although i feel that too is shaky when ie. a child gets leukemia). instead consider a deer suffering horrific burns after a narurallynoccuring forest fire in a remote wilderness. a deer is not a moral agent, and humans arent the cause or even the observers, and deers in general do not possess the intelligence to learn from this tragedy. usually christians have to do some pretty serious acrobatics to fit such an example of excessive, seemingly pointless suffering with an omnibenevolent, omnipotent god. ive discussed this with christians before and ultimately the answer is to ultimately just trust god blindly, and that's that.

>>713701997
So you're more concerned with natural evils? I might be in the minority here, but in my eyes a proper eschatology requires a complete restoration of the created world, including of nature. That deer will be in Heaven.

At the end of the day though it all does kinda fall back onto trust, I won't dispute that. There are other things that made me a believer before I even considered these issues.

>>713702364
im concerned with excessive suffering and tragedy where it isnt needed and doesnt provide a chance for relevant moral growth. thomas aquinas answered the logical problem of evil well enough, i am satisfied with the idea that the existence of SOME evil ultimately enables greater good.

>>713696383 (OP)
Because he's trying to make amends for his sins and is helping the Zion tribes? Revenge isn't the way of the Lord

>>713697642
>>713698428
Enclave is best faction

>>713697682
>why would anyone ever stop being evil
Because I killed them.

>>713705934
not until they commit more evil along the way as they fight you.

>>713706353
Yeah, that's on them.

>>713706883
sure, but that doesnt erase the suffering of the people who are the victims of said evil, which could have been prevented by forgoing justice and granting the evildoer clemency.

>>713707753
Providing clemency to your enemies foments unrest in your own civilization. You can't make everybody happy numbnuts, you can only pick the enemies you want to make.