0 marketing budget and $30 mil dev budget. Remedy once again showing big studios how it's done

lmao @ Julius face

What's the strategy here?
Pretend the game isn't a flop so you can sucker more people into playing?

good for them

>>713712614 (OP)
Only 1 million launching on both Game Pass and PS+? Holy fuck, lmao

>players
every time.

>>713712614 (OP)
>players

>>713712614 (OP)
>"free" on gamepass and ps+
>despite millions of subscribers, only 1 million

This is worse than doom and hifi.

>>713712614 (OP)
>1 million players
That's nice. How many copies has it sold?

>>713712759
>Pretend the game isn't a flop so you can sucker more people into playing?
Just sucker in investors.

>>713712614 (OP)
That post has more reacts than daily players.

>>713712883
Yeah its looking grim

I had some fun with it because ps+ but no way i'm dropping 40 bucks to play this in such a barebones state

>>713712614 (OP)
I played a bit of it, it feel less polished than something like l4d2 which released 16 years ago.

>>713712829
>>713712849
>>713712894
is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? it's like netflix saying this show got millions of streams and retards going
>streams?? but how many copies did it sell??

>>713712614 (OP)
day 1 gamepass?

>>713713213
You go into Netflix knowing you won’t buy anything, with games it’s either or. Buying games will give the devs more money.

>>713713306
Yes.

>>713713213
They don't get paid by person who gets it as part of a service like gamepass or ps+ retard, its an upfront payout that is no where near enough to cover costs

>>713712614 (OP)
He reviewed it and said it was shit. Imma take Charlie's word and give this chore simulator a wide berth

>>713713213
and that's also usually a lie about how popular something is
netflix obscures metrics such as 'finished the series' or 'when most people quit'

>>713713213
you cant buy shit off netflix, you fuckwit

>>713713213
Retard-kun...

I've never played a bad Remedy game. Sounds like an AI answer, but seriously, what's their bad game?

>>713713456
Yeah like how a billion people *sampled* Amazon's Ring of Power when in reality they were just shown a teaser when logging into Amazon for shopping purposes

>>713712614 (OP)
>ayo bruh this game look fire an its free with my subscription
>plays it for 5 minutes
>yo this shit fuckin sucks man *uninstalls to go play fifa 25
>1 MILLION PLAYERS GUYS FUCK YEAHH

>>713712614 (OP)
>114 online

>>713712702
kek

players doesn't mean payers

I tried giving this a fair shot out of morbid curiosity.
Hit quickplay, load into a room, 'go do this busy work', zombies with bizarrely bad AI and collision sort of make an attempt to chase you. You move really slowly yet nothing has any weight to it. Not at all engaging.
It's really shit, even for whatever genre of slop this is.

>>713713529
Alan wake 1, alan wake 2, control, quantum break, and now whatever the fuck this is.

>>713713408
>>713713365
>>713713468
Microsoft and Sony pay an upfront fee + royalties depending on how many players or installs. they also sometimes cover part of the development costs we don't know the details of the particular deal that Remedy has with them but this absolutely does happen

>>713713529
they don't make bad games

>>713713213
You think the companies that actually produced the show get anything from millions of views on Netflix?
Because they don't. They were paid already and Netflix is not going to give them another cent.

>>713714003
There was a post that showed they needed 3 mil copies sold to break even.

>stellar blade has 200k players on steam
>THIS IS A FLOP ACTUALLY, SOME OF THEM ARE CHINESE!!!
>leftroon game has 100 players on steam
>THIS IS A GREAT SUCCESS ACTUALLY!!!!!!

>>713713668
>999886 online on PlayStation + Xbox + PC Game Pass
Why the fuck would anyone buy the game on Steam?

>>713713529
>I've never played a bad Remedy game.
Me neither, I don't play bad westranny games.

>>713714137
It was actually 3 million copies to have a 100% profit margin aka doubling their investment meaning they have to sell 1.5 million copies to break even.
Which is definitely never going to happen at this rate.

>>713712759
platinum the game and dip lmao

max payne 1 and 2 were complete flukes

Is Remedy's survival based on nothing but lies?

>>713714185
the steam version is just for remedy fans to buy so they can support the devs. there is literally no reason to spend $40 on it when you can just pay $10 and play it on gamepass instead

It was me.

I played it once.

>>713714348
They dont have many fans then lol.

>>713714348
oh zoomer...
u waste more playing this on goy pass

this game will have 4 major updates, drip fed over the course of a year.

u could play it now for 22 bucks and have a very shallow experience, and then be locked out of it
.... or u could buy it for 40 and have all content in a year's time

>>713714346
>noo it's lies because I don't like the studio
cope

how many boughteneed though?

>>713714735
Nobody.

>>713713213
firebreak currently sells for $40 on steam.
it is also on gamepass which I can grab for $15, try it, realize its shit, hate it and go play something good like doom eternal or sifu.
firebreak did not earn any money. Players being a metric is just to lie to the consumer to say it is popular, its like saying roblox is popular because its has a billion players, this only matters if you play the same games others are playing in roblox.

>1700 all time high
>barely enough content to warrant calling it a beta let alone full release
>paid battlepass
literally only afloat because of gamepass and ps+. remedy has completely lost the plot

>>713715382
they literally get paid by microsoft and sony thoughever. they made money. also btw they made a profit last quarter despite not releasing any games. they're probably going to be super in the green this quarter with firebreak's release. remedy is literally winning

>>713714325
No they weren’t, the writing quality is still there, they just can’t do gameplay for shit without rockstars help. Max payne 3 showed that remedy is 100% all writing, and without them the game barely feels like the game rockstar is aping, but man, they can’t do game mechanics to save their fucking lives.

if you saw a banner for the game you're a player now.

>>713715943
Well this game was supposed to show what they can do without sam lake, so...

>>713715943
What writing quality? Lake is just a Lynch fanboy which is a common midwit affliction. You can throw a rock and hit 50 psued retards that all idolize Lynch like Lake. It's why he so easily and readily trend chased "current thing" in his writing with female empowerment and blacksploitation. All hallmarks of an imitator and not a true creative. Lynch acolytes all share this trait because the magnetism to Lynch betrays a seeking need nurtured by the midwit to express the profound. That desire is at odds with the end goal. This isn't shitting on Lynch, it's not his responsibility that his imitators are doomed to fit this mold. But it is very fitting and very funny to see the fruits of his overhyped influence.

>>713717303
>female empowerment and blacksploitation.
ok so you're just a culture war faggot. opinion discarded

How the fuck do they even count "players"? Accounts? Unique IPs connected? Rounds played?

>>713717303
Nothing you just said, whether true or not, invalidates any of their previous works level of writing. It’s hard to take an identity politics warriors opinions at face value because most of you are disingenuous in your arguments, left or right. But to discredit their past works and write them off as lynch clones isn’t even worth arguing.

>>713714729
>don't believe your deceiving eyes!!!
Remedyfags are hilarious.

>>713718257
every live service gayme is a botnet

>>713712614 (OP)
>1 million people played a few rounds and uninstalled it again
What a success...

>>713712614 (OP)
When I thought this was a firefighting game I was interested, disappointing it's just some Control spin off.

>>713713213
It's like Netflix saying there are 1 million people who could have watched it.

>>713714185
>1 million players = 1 million people online right now
You are retarded.

>>713719943
firebreak isn't live service

>>713718257
>>713714346
It's people on gamepass trying the game for 5 minutes and trashing it again. Assuming they aren't lying about the number. This also gives a nice hint to how worthless those failed AAA games and their "3 million players" numbers are.

>>713720631
Nigger, fuck you. You can't tell me with a straight face that it sold more than 1000 copies on Steam+Epic. The point is that the vast majority of the million played it on PlayStation.

>>713713668
>grummz poster
Castrate yourself and become a boy slave to some larger black male.

>>713713668
This is just proof that PC gaming is dead

>>713720708
Yeah, I doubt they're lying about it. There are just a LOT of gamepass jeets who will download anything new and play it to get their money's worth out of the subscription, and I doubt any of them played it for more than 5 minutes.

>>713713213
it matters because apparently those games are still expected to sell, as seen with Hi Fi Rush

Ah yes, the Assassin's Creed: Shadows of success. Fake it and still don't make it.

if you played the game five times with your friends, that's fifteen players :)

>>713720658
>firebreak isn't live service
Sure it isn't

>>713723978
good thing remedy is self publishing AND was making an overall profit before even releasing firebreak

>>713724382
yeah retard, it's not. the "battle pass" is a premium dlc for cosmetics that you have to unlock with in game currency. there are no microtransactions or any way to buy in game currency using actual money.

>>713712614 (OP)
It's free on PlayStation

>>713725026
>if u bundle a handful of microtransactions into a battlepass then its not a microtransaction
there will be a paid battlepass each season btw, dumb retard.
it is a live service btw. but it wont last long because its only planned to go on for a year.

>>713725340
now you're just straight up lying - there are literally no "seasons" or new battlepasses coming. there is just a $10 cosmetic dlc. either stop being a retard and learn to read or come up with better bait

>>713712614 (OP)
>players
Kekaroo

>>713726184
search for the roadmap you'll find the seasonal shit

Why do people want it to flop so bad

>>713726528
you mean the free missions they're going to be releasing? those aren't "seasons". there is nothing coming out that has micro transactions or will be paid

I know they're using this kind of obiscatory metric on purpose but the industry really needs a way to measure if a game is successful on these subscription services rather than just a full sized demo that people touch for 2 hours.

>>713726787
there's no other drama right now

>>713712614 (OP)
>players

>>713713213
People who follow news related to streaming services are the most redpilled on these games that entertainment companies play. There are a bajllion different ways to make low numbers sound impressive to those who don't ask questions. I don't think that "players" even has a standardized means of counting them. How do we know they're not saying -
>There's an average of 2.5 people in a household. Therefor, each account that connects is 2.5 players! Rounded up because you can't have half a player!
Legally defensible, probably. But also absolute bullshit. And that's just one example of how they could cook the numbers.

When a company is using ambiguous, novel measurements for success when the standard metrics say that they're doing poorly, you know that they're being dishonest.

>>713726975
b a t t l e p a s s e s

>>713712614 (OP)
>Players
C'mon now

>>713727308
counting the number of subscribers that engage with a particular product on a platform is not a "novel" measurement. that's been a thing for more than 15 years now. this is only a problem for culture war retards. movies, shows, music all operate on a number of streams metric despite the fact that you can buy movies, shows, and albums off of streaming sites. games are no different

>>713727495
c o p e

>>713729115
Imagine running defense for a game this fucking shit lmao

>>713715861
what about next qtr?

fireslop was meant to be their cash cow, and the lack a real back catalogue.

>>713727512
At least it's not "engaged" lmao

>>713712614 (OP)
>1 million people downloaded the game on gamepass and then uninstalled after 8 minutes of playing this shit ass game
>we did it reddit
lmao

>>713712759
>Pretend the game isn't a flop so you can sucker more people into playing?
Yees, it´s "herd mentality"

>>713729652
imagine coping this hard because a budget coop title with 0 marketing got 1 million players

>>713712614 (OP)
The game is fun but it genuinely feels like a demo for what would be a whole game. 6 levels? 6 guns? You can only equip one gun at a time????

Just release Control 2 already.

>>713712759
That has been the strategy for a while now. I probably count as a player because I scrolled past the game on the app.
>make slop for no real audience
>pretend it's super popular for as long as possible trying to get the fomo trend crowd
>lay off people and close the studio

>>713726787
The price per content ratio is a joke. If this came out in 2013 it'd be an xbox arcade title sold for $15

>>713730898
Don't engage, anon. Some people are just retards. It's why we're on /v/.

>>713731437
>every form of media under the sun uses streams and user counts as a metric
>*crickets*
>games start doing the same thing
>"REEE IT'S ALL FAKE THEY'RE LYING"
how does it feel like to be such a retard?

>114 online
>1 million buying-boughteds
lmao sam lake really contracted stds from the capcom tranny

>>713731464
that's why it's on gamepass and ps+

>>713730114
in what way is firebreak a cash cow? it literally has no microtransactions and was on gamepass and ps+ day 1. they also didn't even market it. the expectations and budget for it were super low

>>713713668
Look, they're a small studio. Maybe their internal analytics has a margin of error of 99.99996% and they overestimated the playercount.

>>713712614 (OP)
is this some kind of interim thing before the real Control 2?

>>713713896
QB wasn't bad. And Saga Anderson was white in that one like people apparently wanted.

>>713739990
It's an asset flip of Control made in the spare time of some side faggots at Remedy, they're working on the Max Payne remakes right now.

>>713733879
>every form of media uses streams and user counts
because they aren't selling direct to the consumer, they're licensed through a streaming service, normally games are sold at a typical 1:1 ratio of sale to player
gamepass could be comparable, but I don't know what amount of money the devs get per user, likewise for ubisoft+ and psn+

>>713740095
saga anderson was in QB? proof? because I played QB and didn't see her in there at all

>>713740771
they are selling direct to consumer. people still buy individual songs on amazon, people still buy physical cds and records, people buy bluray versions of movies and shows. this all exists but no one claims that these sales are omitted in public announcements because of some desire to hide embarrassing numbers. and just like gamepass the deals that individual artists and studios make with thr streaming sites is not known. yet no one kvetches about that when it comes to literally any other piece of media

>>713741127
So how come despite having "3 million players", AC Shadows underperformed, Ubisoft stock didn't get the boost it needed to avoid the Tencent offer, and they had to bend the knee to the chinks?
There are lots of examples of games having some several million players only to find out after internal reports come out that the game underperformed and didn't turn a profit
this issue doesn't seem to happen for music/movies/tv shows, so why is it just games? could it be, I dunno, that the forms of media aren't actually as comparable as you'd like to claim them to be?

>>713741515
what the fuck does that have to do with anything? the central point I'm making is that when you have subscription based models involved then the raw number of sales does not actually give a good measure of the reach of a piece of media and that's why it makes sense to use streams or players.

what some retards here are arguing is that companies do this because they're lying or they want to avoid embarrassing numbers. you can have 3 million players and underperform. you can also have 3 million sales and underperform. the actual player or sales number doesn't actually tell you the financials of the company without additional information like budget and revenue gained from streaming sites or gamepass/ps+

>>713742103
>when you have subscription based models involved then the raw number of sales does not actually give a good measure of the reach of a piece of media and that's why it makes sense to use streams or players.
streams =/= profits. selling direct to players is the only measure of success for videogames, partly due to the sheer price disparity between buying a copy of the game, and paying a fee to goypass or whatever, and partly because gamepass players are only counted to try and fleece investors. this is why they should be discounted from actual playercounts.
>what some retards here are arguing is that companies do this because they're lying or they want to avoid embarrassing numbers
they absolutely are, because of aforementioned investors. they want more money, either through sales or investment. you seem to be discounting this despite us having evidence of ubisoft doing everything in their power to avoid telling investors the actual sales of asscreed shadows.

Shame. I am almost done with Control and is a very solid 7/10 game with a great concept but instead of making something better with it, they made this.

>>713742605
I can only hope this was made by some B-team while the rest of the devs work on a sequel of some sort. fucking 6 missions on launch, and half of them were there for the beta.

>>713742571
>selling direct to players is the only measure of success for videogames
no it's actually not. there is also revenue from game pass and ps+. if they have a deal where they get paid more by number of players then that revenue could be significant. and even then that wouldn't tell you profits because you still don't know the overall costs related to the game.

and there are multiple metrics for different types of measures. streams/players is a measure of the audience reach of a piece of media. al album for instance have low sales but high amount of streams. this is why in music discussions for instance the number of streams that an artist has is used as a proxy for how popular they are.

also I really don't get what your obsession with Ubisoft is but they're a publicly traded company. they literally have to file an accurate quarterly report disclosing their profits by law. so there would be no point of lying about player counts. anyone who wants to invest just has to look at their numbers

>>713722203
Ywnbaw

>>713743782
>there is also revenue from game pass and ps+
which is clearly not enough, as the evidence around us displays.

>also I really don't get what your obsession with Ubisoft is but they're a publicly traded company. they literally have to file an accurate quarterly report disclosing their profits by law.
oh you literally don't know? they genuinely tried to avoid telling their investors the actual sales figures, legality be damned.

>>713712614 (OP)
> 1 million players
> average playtime: 50 seconds

i bet theyre counting the pirates too