>Classic Zelda if it was good.
Great Level Design
Great Puzzles
Great Exploration without a bloated open world.
Un.Der.Rated.

>>713718371 (OP)
Runs like shit, and the biome diversity is weaker than it should be.

>>713718371 (OP)
buy an ad

>>713718476
>Runs like shit
How is it on Steam Deck? I thought they fixed the problems with it running poorly.

>and the biome diversity is weaker than it should be.

Also what does this mean? and how does it affect gameplay?

>>713718371 (OP)
level design is mid, it’s just pretty backgrounds
puzzles are braindead
no exploration to speak of, just main oaths and short corridor side paths

it’s not underrated because it’s mid. it’s fun enough, it does what it attempts to reasonably well, but you don’t have to lie about it and certainly don’t have to compare it to classic zelda

>>713718739
>level design is mid, it’s just pretty backgrounds
Why are you blatantly ignoring and leaving out the mobility + metroid prime like level design

>>713718739
>no exploration to speak of, just main oaths and short corridor side paths
what the fuck are you talking about? this is "exploration" in shit like metroid prime and 90% of final fantasy's too, youre just using buzzwords

It's a good game. Story is sloppy and pretty bad at times but characters are decent and the world is good. To be honest I was sad when I finished playing it, the game was fun enough and improved a lot from fallen order.

That said, I did like the story in fallen order more. I liked that it felt like you got to go to more locations too. Almost all of Survivor is on Koboh, the space station and a jeddah with Koboh being the only substantially large area.

I liked all the prequel love in the game too, bringing back the droids and the lucherhulk and all of that stuff was cool. Even had Anakin's speeder from episode II on coruscant.

also it really does give me metroid prime vibes, maybe that's why I enjoyed it a lot.

>>713718970
>Why are you blatantly ignoring and leaving out the mobility + metroid prime like level design
because it’s mid? Something that’s in literally every single no-name indy game for decades is not an accomplishment worth noting in a big budget game that’s just a pastiche of borrowed design tropes

>>713719515
Oh so you've literally not even played the game lmao
Has anybody on this board even played this?

>>713719063
“go straight to reach objective, turn left for five seconds for an extra cosmetic”
is not exploration
“you can’t go here yet because you can’t double jump, come back when you can double jump”
is not exploration

have higher standards for yourself

>>713719614
me, I liked it

s.oy wars fans are the worst fanbase from movie franchises, it was never good, you were a kid, grow up.

>>713719063
>metroid prime
>final fantasy
>exploration
bruh

>>713719105
>and improved a lot from fallen order.
Really surprised me too, game somewhat escaped the clutches of just being a generic copy of other games and really came into its own with some of the movement options

Im curious as to what specifically people think it did better, because ive seen a decent amount of people, of the ones whove actually played both games, say that survivor elevates things from like 8/10 territory to close to 9/10

>>713719835
I haven’t beaten them yet and probably won’t but I’d say Fallen Order is 5/10 and Survivor is 6/10

>>713719650
>>713719816
Thats fine. Aslong as youre willing to admit that Metroid Prime and Classic Zelda and Final Fantasy have no real exploration then im gucci, because all those games are shit and overrated anyway with unrealized potentials

Its more like the prince of persia of this generation, a game that sort of does everything right, but nobody will fall in love with, and will only be remembered nostalgically in the past once the studio moves on from it to make some repeatable slop like assasins creed

I need a video essay on the fame to be convinced

The best soulslike.

lmao i just got fallen order a few days ago because it was on sale, already deleted and refunded.

don't fall for the propaganda, the graphics may be nice but that's really it, everything else is trash.
you can really tell they were trying to copy other soulslike and god of war, but they failed hard.

listen to this >>713718739 guy.

>>713721753
why are you so desperate to dismiss the game? also i can understand that perspective for fallen order, it truly is fairly generic and standard, but survivor starts you with all the abilities from the first game, so its already way more engaging and only gets better

>>713718371 (OP)
>Great Level Design
It's worse than JFO, what are you on about? Koboh should have been four or five separate planets you visit, not the same desert planet with a few new biomes that feel like they just appeared out of nowhere. Especially when Jedah is yet another desert planet.

>>713718371 (OP)
did they finally remove the denuvo?

>Slop wars
>good
Lmao

Just play a real game instead.

>can't play as a gungan
don't care

>>713722584
You're confusing surface level appearance with "good" level design (Took me a LOOONG while to realize that 90% of gamers dont actually think of level design beyond cool detailed enviroment that gives le fuzzy atmospheric feelings, and the appearance of variety and/or...open just = good)

You're downplaying just how much more interesting traversal is with the new insane mobility abilities, and how much more thoughtful shortcuts are. Also it generally requires more thought to figure out how to use your abilities to get from A to B because of how much more expanded they are

>>713723057
>Not "Meesa don't care".

>>713718371 (OP)
>Good pacing
>Great story
>Good characters
>World and style that feels like its actually in Star Wars
>Varied biomes
>Good combat

Fallen Order is easily the best Star Wars game that's ever come out. While Jedi Survivor does improve in some areas, I felt it was too unfocused and it lacked the narrative drive that Fallen Order had. Fallen Order had a story it wanted to tell and the entire game reflected that—it's sequel felt like a drawn-out sidequest with too much downtime in between moments.

>>713723057

>Main character looks like a faggot
>Deborah Wilson

>>713723130
you just like movie slop platforming with boring bosses. I like fast paced jedi combat with minimal story.

>>713718739
Honestly, classic Zelda sucks to me. I've never understood why people like those games.

>>713718371 (OP)
do you really get a gun in this one
I dont remember a gun in the first one

>>713723130
>Fallen Order had a story it wanted to tell and the entire game reflected that—it's sequel felt like a drawn-out sidequest with too much downtime in between moments.
Fair. But id say the lack of shackles to a focused story allowed it to be more like classic zelda, and less like uncharted in terms of exploration and level design.
Theres this constant feeling in Fallen Order that you have to go through the motions before you actually get to the good stuff. Fight boring enemies in a straightline aheaf of you with some light platforming, till you actually get to the dungeon esque level where the game actually decides to incorporate your abilities with more thought.
That was my biggest problem with the game. I was sick of the pre dungeon levels with weak navigation expectations because the game just wants to run you through its combat gauntlet inbetween the good stuff.
I already dont like soulslikes because they tend to not understand that the true value of souls isnt actually in the combat, but everything that surrounds and feeds into the combat, so that's why despite seeing potential in Fallen Order, I didnt like it

>>713723089
Most of Koboh is literally just straight lines with maybe a branching path or one branching path that has an overhead area that takes you somewhere above it. You are constantly forced not to go to locations or explore because you don't have powers, and they simply lead you to the next mandatory story area nearly every time. Many of the areas you can even "find" early are just areas you exit another area from later on like the minor bandit house that has the underground upgrade area.

The only place that was involved at all was the hub location because they had to make use of your new abilities as the game progresses and the area where you upgrade BD-8. The area with the forcefield and the Stormtrooper you had to Mind Trick to gain access had two diverging paths, but overall there was very little actual level design compared to JFO which had multiple branching paths and many places to return to with new powers solely to get upgrades or new items.

JS at best has a random cave on a hill outside of, what, the Jawa Sandcrawler and I guess the bandit planet with the droidekas? Even the temple you visit on Koboh just sends you in straight lines and blocks you from going anywhere until you get rid of the black crap. Jedha prevents you from exploring it at all until the end of the game and there's only three puzzle areas to find even when you go back there. The moon has absolutely nothing on it and it's all a straight line.

>>713718970
you REALLY need to replay some metroid games, including Prime

the game is really solid and I found it surprisingly, pleasantly good too, but to compare isolated levels with some doubling back routes and unlockable backtrack shortcuts to any metroid, aside from maybe fusion, if at all, is just silly.

game design like this was very standart stuff even for mid-sub par games until the later 00s

>>713723625
I agree. Classic Zelda DOES suck, but thats because it doesnt utilize its potential properly. I dont have the time to explain this properly so youll either get it or not. But there is aspects of zelda that simply are not and seemingly cannot be done by any other franchise. So even though zelda does it poorly it has value in its vision and focus. There are very few dungeon focused games where youre not JUST going from point A to B killing monsters and looting items along the way, but also actively manipulating and interacting with the enviroment to find new ways forward.
If zelda was good at that, itd be one of my top 3 games ever. Unfortunately, its not.

>>713723435
> I like fast paced jedi combat with minimal story
Then the only Star Wars game you like is Lego Star Wars.

>>713718371 (OP)
>shit puzzles
>annoying platforming
>no fights

>>713723897
Im not replaying Metroid Prime. Its you that doesnt understand the game. I already played the entire Metroid Prime trilogy not too long ago. You have no idea what you're talking about and reflect the typical average metroid prime retard fan understanding of the game that unironically thinks its a metroidvania with complex level design just because it has metroid in its name and doors and keys.
Itd be a waste of time to explain the fact that 90% of the levels actually arent interconnected, and shortcuts are few and far between or redundant, making it so that most navigation is actually going up a looooong line, and then going back down it, once youve acquired a new item to backtrack.
Because youd just deny these facts.

>>713719614
I did. It was alright, though I preferred the first game.

>>713724436
>>no fights
thats a good thing actually, the less games think they need to rely on combat as a crutch, the more interesting and varied avenues of gameplay that can be incorporated

>>713724436
>no fights
It had a lot of fights though, and they actively changed tons of the spawns as the game progressed to feature higher and higher tiers of enemies. It's one of the things they did way better than JFO.

>>713724520
that's an insane amount of projection and hysteria.

i only mentioned Prime because you/the guy brought it up first. and what I said, basically implies that even metroid prime has a more level interconnections and walkways.
meaning prime is on the low end of metroid level design

jesus

>>713722584
Jedah was unironically fleshed out very well in this game from its initial appearance in Rogue One. It actually got me interested in what was going on with the planet beyond just being yet another Tatooine. But I agree with you about Koboh, by far the worst planet in the series and FO had much tighter and better level design in the end.

>>713725127
I didn't care for Jedha personally. The bit with Merrin is this annoying up and down in the broken temple and makes backtracking for the collectibles a complete nightmare, there's that open temple area she takes you to, there's the bridge + cave catacomb thing that leads you to the major temple, and then there's that wind temple area. Outside of those three notable locations it's just giant vast desert, straight lines in the notable areas, and then the three puzzle walls leading to the center upgrade item thing.

It's not terrible but I'd rather explore more planets from JFO again personally. Koboh's best part was the cloud area, the Jedi Mind Trick ascent area, and the hub.

Its underrated.

I only played the first one on gamepass and it felt like dark souls for people who hated dark souls.

>>713718476
This and also the story sucks

Genuine the worst sword game I've ever played

Bloated world complicated combat , shit final boss , darth vader getting jobbed by a woman . Repetitive bosses shit , graphical performance.

>>713718371 (OP)
I had fun but Fallen Order was better

i just dont want to play as that dude man im sorry, his face is off. like port de rossi in season 4 of curb your enthusiasm, i cant look at it

>>713718371 (OP)
That's great but I will never buy a game that requires the EA App.

>>713727687
in survivor you can change his hair and beard. makes it slightly more bear(d)able

>>713727580
>complicated combat
how is this a bad thing?

>>713718476
God has the performance gotten any better? I thought the game was fun but it had dogshit optimization.

>>713728820
main planet is still a stutterfest at times, they never really addressed the performance issues

>>713723346
>CHADborah GODson
Holy flipping crap! PICKED THE FUARK UP!

>>713718371 (OP)
OP here
i used the wrong image oops

>>713729347
For some reason, I just never got around to playing this despite owning it for years. I should, I liked the first Darksiders.

>>713729492
well then i hope you're going to enjoy it too because 2 is improvement over 1 in almost every way.

>>713718371 (OP)
>desert
>desert, lush
>desert, purple
i like the game but the biomes are trash. first game looked much more varied

>>713718371 (OP)
>Classic Zelda if it was good.
>fucking Jedi Survivor
LOL
LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO

>>713718701
>Also what does this mean?
Zelda would be real fucking boring if it were just forest and deserts

>>713727289
kek surprisingly accurate, i'm one of these people

>>713718371 (OP)
Is it like the first game where you'll be in a fun gameplay section and then are given an autoscroller where Cal is fucking footsliding down a cliff for a few minutes?

>>713729347
randomized loot and bum ass open planes inbetween every way to a new level or dungeon, with barely anything to actually do between because way too much shit was just randomly gated, and the rewards were functionally shit anyway.
makes it not. game just wastes waaaay too much of your time, and the times when it doesnt, you dont even do anything that interesting, abilities are rarely combined, and the traversal abilities are literally as generic and mindless as can be