Were older GTA games actually harder or were people just not as good?

>>713732449 (OP)
They were harder, but mainly due to shitty controls

>>713732449 (OP)
This >>713732537
Have you ever played GTA 3?

>GTA games
>hard
the fuck

>>713732537
>>713732651
yeah these guys are correct, GTA games aren't meant to be hard in the first place they are meant for you to have fun in the world they provide.
the difficulty comes when the controls and mission handle in a janky and non deliberate fucked up way.

>>713732449 (OP)
harder but more memorable. all missions in 4 and 5 are the same.

>>713732449 (OP)
The mission structure in GTA is awful.
>walk into parking lot or warehouse
>immediately get lit the fuck up by full auto from multiple targets
>full health and ammo drained in seconds

>>713732449 (OP)
i replayed gta 3 after 20+ years. I honestly forgot cars explode after like 3 hits. It's kind of bullshit to be honest.

>>713732449 (OP)
They were just shittier.
It wasn't until SA that vehicles stopped handling like shit (and each GTA since had different quirks to the handling, but none were objectively bad).
It wasn't until GTA4 that guns behaved somewhat reliably. Guns in III-VC-SA were fucking goofy.
The more recent GTAs are only "easier" because you aren't fighting the controls, nor slippery top-heavy cars, nor guns with a spray pattern of a clock.

>>713732449 (OP)
They were hard because of
>Bad controls
>Clunkyness (mostly physics and that video related stuff)
>Hardware limitations (like the radar mission in SA which is hard because of the low view distance)

>bad controls
>aiming weapons involves hoping the lockon gets the right person
>bad camera
>no checkpoints, can only save at safe houses when not on a mission
enemies that attack you don't have to contend with control issues

>>713732449 (OP)
Vice City was the first beatable GTA. GTA 4 was the first 100% completable GTA. GTA 5 is harder than GTA 4.

>>713732956
Driving controls didn't get good until San Andreas and 4.

>>713732449 (OP)
My schizo theory is that some hard levels were sometimes too scripted. Its almost like when you were playing games at the arcades, and the game kicks your ass 5 times in a row and then 6th time all of a sudden its a breeze. That is how I felt with some of the driving parts because traffic always suspiciously fucks you over in the worst possible ways.

https://youtu.be/o2PktUX6nfg

>>713732449 (OP)
Old games in general are usually way easier than people remember them because we were shit at games back then but >>713732537 is true as hell too

>>713733184
Driving was fine i just couldnt deal with the cars exploding in like 2 seconds. Glad they fixed that in Vice City.

>>713733178
4 is the only one I've ever beaten. I don't know what the fuck they were trying to say with the story though.

>>713732956
I'm replaying it too and what I'm having the hardest time getting used to is that I can't jump out of the moving cars.
>>713732998
The cover system also ruins the games for me a bit, it's just too convenient and too protective, there's not even much reason to change covers.

The manual aiming is so bad at times and they expect you to be good and quick with it for a few missions

>>713733304
Past follows you, choices you make impact person you become, blood thicker than water, niko was walking dead man before he came to america because horrors of old country etc

>>713732449 (OP)
GTA 3 has an annoying difficult mission in the first 10 minutes.

>>713732449 (OP)
Yes and no. They were harder because there was no accurate aim, so you naturally took way more damage even when playing well, and also the collision model was over the top with cars starting to burn after three scratches.

At the same time, they weren't really hard and the difficulty is very overblown because most people here played it as kids. You can easily do a no-lose/death run if you don't do anything silly or get really unlucky with RNG (e.g. having a car randomly roll on top of you). There are things that are much more annoying and obnoxious on the console than PC though, e.g. sniper rifle rampages and also those where you destroy cars, due to lower spawn rate.

>>713732449 (OP)
You had more health but the missions were more punishing
Modern GTA slop only punishes you for going off the beaten track, has too much streamlining bullshit taking away the punishment for failing with checkpoints and ability to retry missions instantly, even if you have much less health you can aim like an olympian shooting specialist which is gay
Also dying in the old games took away your weapons and ammo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn7ku4_zOWg

>>713733413
That all fine because it's the game's narrative but there seemed to be some kind of ham fisted attempt and social commentary about violence in video games and the moral conundrum of a gaymur.

>>713733448
>Yes and no.
Not an answer.

>>713732449 (OP)
they had some pretty annoying missions like that one in gta 3 where you have to protect a van that has to drive to the 3rd island

>>713732449 (OP)
it might have been me just being shit at games back then but i remember being very frustrated at times

>>713732537
This
The RC missions were hell

>>713733826
Let me rephrase it then. They weren't harder, they were different and people playing them were kids/not used to 3D games.

>>713733178
VC was easy as breathing.

>>713733304
They tried to have a more serious tone for IV, which is strange for a game franchise where you're encouraged to be a maniac murder machine.

>>713733968
There's a reason we just took turns fucking around in the open world until you inevitably die in a police chase.

>>713734038
Not if you played Operation Flashpoint before GTA3, lol.

>>713732449 (OP)
i beat all them recently, they are all pretty similar in difficulty once you get used to the controls, if you suck at flying for example you aren't going to have a fun time in the older games but i wouldn't really say that makes them so much harder, you have the ability to make things trivial if you start every mission with max armor and good guns

>>713734124
>we
Git gud faggot

>>713734308
Yes I had friends to play the game with.

>that one mission where you are given the shittiest car in the game and told drive it to the other side of the map while getting chased by every gang in town
>you can't even tell which mission I am talking about, because devs liked it so much they put it into multiple games

>>713734418
>he didn't get the invincible truck
idk why they didn't make it clear you got such good rewards for doing the side content

>>713732449 (OP)
The older games missions certainly were trickier and you'd rarely ever beat them on the first try. Now all the missions are just shootouts and chasing someone on a bike

San Andreas had the coolest cars, especially when you unlock the place that gives you the custom ones.

>>713734792
>Now all the missions are just shootouts and chasing someone on a bike

Anon, as much as I think GTA3 is the best one in the series, 90% of its missions are like this. Sometimes you get something different where you have to, for example, find a car of certain type to proceed, but that's it.

What was V even like? I tapped out after IV. Actually I played a few minutes of V at my brother's house. I trashed his car in the game and he had to call the insurance company and get it towed and repaired. Cool gameplay.

>>713733209
Not schizo, Mario kart 64 for example blatantly speeds up its AI when you aren't looking to keep you engaged. Thing is, these weren't even arcade games that make money off of retries so I'm guessing the devs just want to increase the average playtime through bs.
Marvel rivals for instance gets criticism because the matchmaking is subtly tampered with if you win too much.

>>713732449 (OP)
They are harder, but not that much compared to modern GTA. For me, they were harder because I was a kid back then, when I replayed them later in life, they were much easier.

Even the RC mission isn’t that bad if you’re not a kid or a young teen, you just need a bit of patience and discipline.

>>713735318
What the old GTA games did right was giving a lot of freedom about the way you can to do the missions. GTA V removed this freedom in exchange for a 'cinematic' experience.

>>713736240
On second thought, you'd sometimes have situations like OP's webm.

>>713735639
IV was more like a chaotic physics sandbox where a random npc could show up and run over the mission guy because some other ped pissed him off.
V dialed it all back a bit so mission outcomes were more streamlined, ragdolling was minimized, mission traffic was artificial, cars became very easy to drive, shooting was made better. They improved player control at the cost of realism, so it's generally less frustrating and you end up playing more for the story but have less to enjoy outside of featured content.

>>713736321
"freedom" (you can waste time taking a wrong turn if you want (it makes it harder to complete the mission because they're often timed))

>>713738668
>you can waste time taking a wrong turn
GTA V will sometimes hit you with a game over screen for doing shit like this

GTA3 was fun to mess around in but the actual missions sucked. Vice City had an actual story mode worth playing.

>>713732449 (OP)
I beat these games multiple times when I was 10 years old modern gamers are weak, whiny little bitches

>>713739317
Nobody played GTA for very long at parties. When we went to the "cool" PS2 guy's house people got bored of GTA and extreme sports games pretty quick. When they came over to my house (the GCN guy) we played Smash and Soul Calibur for hours and never got sick of it.

>>713732449 (OP)

>>713733184
>people actually had trouble with driving in 3d era gta games
Christ almighty

>>713734108
The motorcycle race?

>>713739662
Did an enemy shoot the bike right in the gas tank? I forgot you could one shot vehicles by shooting the gas tank door.

>>713740737
Going back to the first area is a nightmare once it's crawling with those auto shotgun guys.

>>713732449 (OP)
They are hard mainly because of how badly unpolished and fundamentally broken they are. If you give them GTA 4 or 5 controls and fix bugs, they become fairly easy, like how it with Vice City Next Gen fan remake.
Back in 2000s, it was piss poor easy to make games because Renderware was a simple platform, which meant easy money, so Rockstar churned games out like it was nothing without any focus on quality control. The results obviously shows as at least half of their games aged shit. Unfortunately contrarians and edgy kids will simply ignore this and scream "skill issue" or call you a faggot, since GTA fanbase is full of knuckledraggers.

>>713740963
Honestly, the only two complaints I have about 3 is not making everything peaceful after you 100% and allowing you to miss missions if you do them in wrong order (and not signaling that in any way).

>>713734038
It's hard to overstate how much people seethed about that shit back in the day.

>>713739073
Better that than failing the mission after wasting 3 minutes because you took a wrong turn and now it's impossible to make the route.

>>713732956
No they don't faggot, you just suck.

>>713732449 (OP)
For example Vice City has that one mission where you have to steal that one briefcase, your boat gets blown up and you have to run away while being chased by cops. Nevermind the fact the house you have to move around has shotgunners on the corners that kill you instantly.

>>713741517
>xitter file name
>crying about skill in an easy game
>"no quality control!"
Yes, it's time for you to go back.

>>713740737
Dropped my replay right here
fucking bullshit

The driver mission in VC can FUCK RIGHT OFF

>>713746251
AND I RUUUUN
I RUN SO FAR AWAAAAY
More games need Gary Busey.

>>713746251
Somehow I managed to beat it on first try when I replayed VC again. Although it required quite a bit of luck.

>>713747971
That's the problem with that fucking mission, it needs luck, your car is shit and the cops seemingly target just you.
And worst of all, the fucker just dies anyway during the heist leaving Tommy to drive everyone back, SO WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT

i have never seen so many incorrect opinions in a single thread.

all of you are either AI or DSP

>gta
>hard
wtf? yea some missions can be annoying but i wouldn't call them hard or something to scream about