Thread 713736701

>is better than OoT in every possible way
>universally hated while OoT is the fan favorite
How??? Why???

ALTTP mogs both who cares

>>713736701 (OP)
because it's slow to start and the modern gamer has a negative attention span.

>>713736778
Holy fpbp and based

Zoomers on suicide watch

>>713736701 (OP)
This is like the King Zora cutscene but played totally straight.

>>713736701 (OP)
you can stop sharing your shit taste now

>>713736905
>if you think a game that drags its tutorial section on is boring and an insult to intelligence means you're a zoomer with low attention span
who is your favorite youtuber, anon?

>>713736701 (OP)
OoToddlers played OoT when they were kids. That's it.

>>713739440
Complaining about time investment in an adventure game is kind of missing the point. There are other short-form games for people who don't have the time or patience for that.

>>713736701 (OP)
It's not even close to being good retarded faggot. The fact that you think it's better than TP makes you retarded

>>713740418
Twilight Princess is a dogshit game with absolute cringeworthy cutscenes.

>>713736701 (OP)
Zoomzooms can't get past the tutorial

>>713736701 (OP)
It dickrides OoT from start to finish and doesn't feel like its own game. On top of that, it has a slow start and a wet fart of an ending because they decided that Ganondorf needed to be the villain of a mainline game by any means necessary. One of the things that people don't talk about enough is the fact that it was actually significantly easier than OoT. Zelda games aren't exactly known for their difficulty, but Twilight Princess was easy to the point that it was actually detrimental to the game as a whole.

People like the idea of Twilight Princess, the setting of Twilight Princess, the atmosphere that Twilight Princess sets up, but Twilight Princess as a whole is just not very good. And that isn't some new-age newfag idea either, the very same criticisms can be seen as far back as 2008.

>>713740418
a pointlessly slugging tutorial isn't a time investment, it's shit design. Even more so when the rest of the game is insipid as fuck. I'd rather replay zelda 2 than TP.

>>713736778
And Link's Awakening mogs ALttP. (Don't get me wrong, I still love ALttP)
And then we have the Oracles games, Minish Cap, and Four Swords Adventures being better than the N64 slop Zeldas.

>>713740954
>my identity is being a binary contrarian

>>713741051
What's your problem with people posting their honest opinions?

>>713736701 (OP)
>brutally bad pacing, not just compared to OoT but every zelda other than SS
>even more unrewarding overworld than OoT
>even more linear and braindead dungeons

on a first playthrough, or if you don't care about video games and are easily fooled by narrative and presentation, TP is great

and that's really it.
no one can even argue this without resorting to name calling, lying or deflection

>>713741178
Because that's not your honest opinion, you just don't want to be like the other girls. It's not as if you said the N64 titles weren't as good, no, they are straight up "slop." Unironically off yourself.

>>713741178
You are basically a woman without a hole, you are not worth interacting with.

>>713740559
*better than OoT

>>713736701 (OP)
It is neither better than OoT nor is it universally hated. It's a decent follow up to OoT but marries MM and OoT while missing out on standing out. If the combat system was a little more in depth, literally just a reason to use any of the awesome moves besides the darknuts and dorf, it'd stand out among the best Zeldas.

>>713741378
>off yourself
So mad and obsessed. I shall pray for you.

>>713736701 (OP)
Kill yourself you shit taste gamecube tranny. Twilight Princess has garbage exploration. you can't even explore under Castle Town's moat

>>713740830

Wind Waker was its "own game" and people HATED it because it was too different and not like OoT.

Then they make a game similar to OoT and you idiots STILL hate on it

>is better than OoT in every possible way

It's literally the opposite, its just OoT but worse.

Worse pacing
Worse world map
Worse art design
Worse music

I guess it technically has better combat, but its way too fucking easy

>>713736701 (OP)
OoT runs circles around TP in everything. There's a reason why OoT is remembered fondly while TP has been forgotten. The only thing TP is better at is having a better companion.

>>713741574
>It's a decent follow up to OoT but marries MM and OoT
lol. lmao, even.

>>713741285
>fooled by narrative and presentation
I find this choice of words highly fascinating. Using the word "fooled by" implies that those are not valid reasons to enjoy a game.

>>713736701 (OP)
Things OOT does better
>dungeons
>story
>artstyle
>music
>atmosphere
>character designs (aside from one)
>items
>final boss
Things TP does better
>imp ass

>Zoomers can't make it through the prologue
>Because they can't stay awake for the prologue, they miss some of the most important tone setting for the narrative
>Because they can't play games without a guide, they never experience needing to spend time looking for leads in what to do, and just follow the efficient path through the dungeon
The game has its fair share of flaws, I put it middle of the pack in the big picture, but you never see those things discussed, funnily enough. It's always the stuff that outs them as one of the filtered, not the stuff that you'd have to actually understand the game to complain about.

>>713741737
>The only thing TP is better at is having a better companion.
only because of cute imp girl

>>713741889
>ZOOMER ZOOMER ZOOMER ZOOMER
shut the fuck up negroid, you have trash taste and always will

>>713741835
they are not really on replays, which is exactly what I was saying.

and yes, if narrative and presentation can make you forget, ignore or worse, not even notice bad pacing and sub-par level design, then something is seriously wrong

>>713742080
>Can't even make it through the first point of a post before becoming irrationally upset
Grim times for the zooms

>>713741889
its actually young millenials and older zoomers who tend to like TP the most

you are just in your mid-late 20s and think because you don't notice how awfully paced the game is and how very mediocre the level design is, it must be dumb zoomer logic

>ctrl+f "wolf"
>0 matches
its the wolf, and the fact that you're forced to be a wolf very frequently in the first third of the game, have to keep turning into a wolf just to fast travel, and so on

>>713741636
>b-but wind waker!
>muh OoT!
This is precisely what I'm saying. You cannot detach Twilight Princess from other titles in the series that are able to actually stand on their own, because it is not its own game. I said nothing about Wind Waker, but you immediately pull it out of your pocket like it's some sort of gotcha. Wind Waker was flawed, but you never hear people compare it to its direct predecessors (being OoT and MM) because it actually forms its own identity.

>>713742423
i dropped the game at kakariko village, just the though of having to play that wolf segment again siphoned my entire will to play. That and the soulless "overworld"

>>713740830
>It dickrides OoT from start to finish and doesn't feel like its own game.
This is absolutely not true, if anything Wind Waker makes much more constant references to Ocarina of Time (Death Mountain's smoke ring, the Great Deku Tree, Jabun/Jabu Jabu, Zelda hiding as a different person, the Master Sword being a seal that Ganondorf takes advantage of, the portraits of the sages), Twilight Princess doesn't even present Ganondorf at all until after finishing Arbiter's Grounds, and the story and lore are much closer to A Link to the Past with the whole dark world thing and Ganondorf using a different person as a dragon for most of the game; plus there is nothing in Ocarina of Time that relates at all to Midna, who is the driving character of the narrative.
The only reason people think Twilight Princess dickrides Ocarina of Time is because both are set in Hyrule even when Twilight Princess goes to great lengths to avoid directly referencing Ocarina of Time (There's no Kokiri or Deku Tree and instead there's monkeys, Death Mountain has no smoke ring, the Zora don't have a fish deity, both Kakariko Villages are designed to look western, there are no Gerudo and the desert dungeon is a prison and not a temple, Snowpeak is a completely new location and the Yeti are a completely new race, same goes for the City in the Sky and the Ooccaa and Zant and Midna's conflict drives most of the story), while Wind Waker gets leeway because of the Great Sea setting making it less obvious that it is still calling back to Ocarina of Time a lot.

>>713742215
go ahead, move the goalpost.

>>713742080
you ok zoomer?

>>713742778
>>713742871

>>713741889
But I'm a zoomer and I really like it.

>>713742953

zoomtard are you ok? Are you ok? Are you ok zoomtard?

>>713742424
truth nuke

>>713736701 (OP)
I love both of them.

>>713743035
concession accepted, as usual with TP troons.

>>713736905
>>713739440
>>713740869

The slow start is kino world building

https://youtu.be/V_POuBUuSKA

>>713742424
Twilight Princess looks like Ocarina of Time superficially, but the actual content is very distinct from Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker looks very different but it is constantly calling back to Ocarina of Time.

>>713736701 (OP)
Better how?

>>713743191
it's just a 1pbtid troll

>>713736701 (OP)
TP is THE absolutely worst LoZ game by far.
No, not the worst "3D" Zelda, but of ALL the Zelda games.

>>713736905
No, it just has shitty pacing, shitty world design, the worst dungeons, terrible writing, and tons of bloat + empty space.

>>713742424
>You cannot detach Twilight Princess from other titles in the series that are able to actually stand on their own
kek, dude, there's nothing in TP nearly as blatant as this shit.

>>713740954
I can't understand this sentiment. LA is a soulful and enjoyable game, but it has always felt like a poor man's LttP to me.

>>713736701 (OP)
I liked TP because I was a teenager when it came out and I liked edgy shit, at the time and Twilight Princess is the edgiest Zelda game to come out.
It’s not saying much, but it’s true with its “realism” and dark elements.

>>713742538
>The only reason people think Twilight Princess dickrides Ocarina of Time is because both are set in Hyrule even when Twilight Princess goes to great lengths to avoid directly referencing Ocarina of Time
Surely it's not because the first boss of the game is poisoning the forest like Ganon's magic did to the Deku Tree in Ocarina of Time, or that the second boss is an evil fire spirit that's preventing the Gorons from kicking and eating rocks like in Ocarina of Time, the third boss is a Morpha knockoff, the fact that the entire ending sequence got uprooted just so that they could make a series of battles that reference Ocarina of Time's ending (shitty tennis followed by beast form ganon followed by a solo fight with ganon in an arena made of magic). Let's not forget how they madlibbed Gold Skulltulas out for Golden Bugs like people wouldn't notice. Anything that wasn't its own completely original area was either directly ripping from OoT or Majora's Mask, or a cheap knockoff of stuff from those games.

>>713743463
>TP is THE absolutely worst LoZ game by far.
>No, not the worst "3D" Zelda, but of ALL the Zelda games.

>Skyward Sword
>Phantom Hourglass
>Four Swords
>Triforce Heroes
>Echoes of Wisdom
>Spirit Tracks
>Adventure of Link
>Minish Cap

>>713742778
>Can't follow a thread, needs stimulation from a game to avoid stress
I'm proud of you for not resorting to Subway Surfers or Family Guy Funny Moments, at least, zoom.

>>713743814
I would play any of these over TP without hesitation.

>>713743814
>Adventure of Link
>bad

>>713744034
concession accepted you sore loser.

Too much tedium

>>713736701 (OP)
Dungeons in TP are perfectly fine, but dude - the pacing in-between is horrible. The game feels like a 10 hour long tutorial where you're not allowed to divert from the path you're given. In OOT at least you can freely explore the setting, minus whatever is gated by items.

TP however, at least in a randomizer, might be much more tolerable and it could probably elevate everything about the game.

>>713736701 (OP)
>universally hated
Trying too hard

>>713740954
I really like LA (beat the GBC version this year) but there's a lot of tedious bullshit that isn't there in LTTP. Also, some of the bosses call upon really specific, weird shit that I couldn't call good game design in good faith. Easilly a top tier entry, but I think LTTP is more well rounded.

>>713744117
Go to bed gramps

>>713740954
Nah, LttP is like an onion, it has layers. It ages like fine wine, each playthrough leading to greater appreciation.

LA is too simple, too easy, too small and gated of an overworld, too one dimensional of dungeons. It's definitely an enjoyable little game, but LttP is a timeless masterpiece

>>713743783
The first boss is a corrupted Deku Baba, nearly every boss in the game is a creature from the dungeon corrupted by the Fused Shadow or the mirror shards, like Darbus as Fyrus and Yeta as Blizzeta, this is thematically separate from Ocarina of Time and the forest was not being poisoned at all, Diababa was just in a pool of poison, the poison was not spread anywhere else and the main conflict in the forest was the monkey power struggle; Wind Waker literally slaps the actual Deku Tree and Jabun into its initial half (And the dragon is only original because there was no Death Mountain spirit in Ocarina, otherwise you can bet your ass it would be the same too), Twilight Princess instead creates spirits Ordona, Faron, Eldin and Lanayru who have since become mainstays in Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild as the dragons.
>Gold Skulltullas and Gold Bugs
You mean Korok Seeds and Goddess Cubes and collectible shit that is in nearly every 3D Zelda game? Retard.

>>713742117
This. A Zelda's strength is truly revealed upon replays. If parts are excruciating, it's showing the cracks in the game design.

>>713743165
>*ruins every replay in your path*
and the intro is only one of many pace breaking story sequences.
and the game is peppered with time wasters
>teleporting forces you into wolf form and at some teleporters you cant change back instantly, because NPCs are close. even if there aren't its an additional menu, menuing and mini cutscene
>climbing slow and fickle as fuck
>day/night cycle or speed cannot be affected but things like certain spawns and shop hours are tied to it
>certain hit switches can not be activated with boomerang arbitrarily, wasting a players time in at least 2 instances
>forced, long iron boots sequences that are made even longer by making link so slow that continually spamming the stab combo for movement is faster. OoT at least had the decency to make iron boots faster in almost all instances where you are forced to use them
>forced wolf jump sequences that break pacing especially on revisits
>but no wolf jump segments anywhere that would make traversal quicker or form a shortcut
>almost every dungeon has the gimmick of having to back track as much as possible to establish the gimmick of returning to the central room which has changed
>everything that is programmed to be on a cycle takes player position and entrance timing not into consideration at all, once again forcing you to wait unnecessarily multiple times

I could go on.
I just replayed this. I loved the presentation and the vibes, but holy shit, the actual gameplay feels almost intentionally designed to be as cumbersome and annoying as possible without being too overt, with little time wasters that add up over time to artificially blow up play time literally all over the place

it has to be that or just utter nob caring about details on nintendo's part.
no wonder when aonuma is given full reigns, a guy who doesn't actually like playing video games

>>713743534
the point is that most arguments that TP defenders bring up rely on having to mention its predecessors.

not even TP fans can make arguments for TP on its own in most cases.

learn to think before you reply please

>>713736701 (OP)
Why has TP become the new go-to for bait threads?

>>713744473
based actual videogame player

>>713744805
>new go-to for bait
anon...

Why are people talking about TP lack of replayability when OoT is similarly poorly paced and only good on first playthrough

>>713736701 (OP)
>slower start than oot
>Maybe worst music in the series
>boring empy overworld
>bland, shitty graphics
>hit or miss dungeons

>>713744606
>forced, long iron boots sequences that are made even longer by making link so slow
I'm annoyed they took out the glitch that lets you run like normal on those walls in HD

As for everything else you said I don't totally disagree. OoT is the game I probably replay the most, but I still have a soft spot for TP. Last time I replayed it was right before TotK came out, and I still love it despite its flaws.

>>713744805
I wouldn't call it bait, I've met some honest-to-god diehard TP fans across my life who defend everything about it.

>>713744473
well good thing TP intro and wolf segments were excruciating from the get go so you could immediately tell it had shit design.

>>713744805
Cubesnoys unironically put WW and TP at 1 and 2

>>713744912
>when OoT is similarly poorly paced and only good on first playthrough
because that's factually wrong

>>713744912
Not true at all, considering randomized OOT playthroughs are extremely fun. Even vanilla OOT moves at a much faster pace than TP. When the issue of replays come up, the issue is whether or not the game wastes your time with tedious bullshit. TP is drastically worse than OOT in that regard. There are far more sequences that seem deliberately designed to waste your time.

>>713736701 (OP)
Playing Windwaker
>get to the part where you have to go on a scavenger hunt for the triforce pieces or whatever across the ocean
>get bored and quit
Playing Twilight Princess
>get to the part where you have to hunt down a bunch of poes all over the fucking places
>get bored and quit
is every zeldor game like this because those are the only two I played

>>713744606
>>713745118
>>713745148
Why does every poster in this thread write as if games are just some chore to get over with as quickly as possible?

>>713745197
no, you made the mistake of playing nu zelda.

>>713745148
LttP mogs it in replayability

>>713736701 (OP)
TP was the worst 3d zelda up to that point. it had a new director and you could tell, i dont like his style of games.
If you liked TP as a kid then thats fine, we are allowed to like different things.
>>713741636
different people like different things. I thought that they really fumbled making WW go with the art direction they did, many of the kids growing up with OoT were graduating / in college and playing games, they dont want a cartoon game. Even 9 year olds often want "cool" looking games and not kiddy stuff, nintendo was doing something different just for the sake of it and made their game most appealing to parents buying games for toddlers not their actual fans. I actually liked WW btw

>>713745302
That's just classical /v/ speak

>>713745197
The poes are not mandatory, they're an optional collectible same as the bugs, you can ignore them unless you're going for 100%

>>713745539
>TP was the worst 3d zelda up to that point

>>713745197
You played two of the worst 3D games for that kinda stuff. My recommendation is unironically to go in release order, - LOZ and AoL (to make them a bit friendlier, I 100% recommend the redux mods) are actually really fun games.

Otherwise, start at LTTP, then LA, OOT and MM. There's a reason why fans of that era despise the GC era. Basically, they moved from Miyamoto and Koizumi designing the main game, to Aonuma - who only did the dungeons in the N64 games. The dude isn't a fan of action games, but likes ""adventure games""

>>713745302
I am not sure what your point is. Good pacing doesn't have to mean things move quickly but doesn't waste your time with long segment that have no gameplay or narrative value, which is what TP does. I play video game to have fun, and the less fun your game is, the less tolerant I will be of its pacing.

>>713736701 (OP)
Nah this game is cool. If I have one complaint it would be that I wish enemies attacked more often instead of just standing there. Hero mode sorta makes up for this though.

>>713745835
telling somebody who got burned out from shit nu titles to play the NES titles is frankly retarded.

>>713745691
>one of nintendos biggest IPs that is a launch title for the next gen console sold a lot
no shit. more sales doesnt mean better game overall.

>>713745302
This is the curse the zoomer bears.
Games are not recreation, they are a task.

>>713745302
I don't play Zelda to mash through dialogue, cutscenes, or walk in a straight line to do tedious chores that Midna or other NPCs tell me to so. Having some form of agency is key. I fell in love with OOT as a kid from exploring the world on my own without being told what to do. Problem with WW and TP is that they force you to do lots of unfun stuff.

>>713745539
>it had a new director and you could tell
This is fucking false, Eiji Aonuma directed every 3D Zelda but BotW and TotK where he was producer and supervisor instead.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiji_Aonuma

>>713745978
They're great though. Zero bullshit (and again, I specifically recommended mods for it), and easy to follow along if you have a guide. They're pure gameplay vs tedious shit.

>>713745981
case in point with mhw

>>713746154
ain't no fucking way you played them to say something this dumb, zelda 2 in particular is full of bullshit

Reminder that a reviewer gave TP an 8/10 and people were roasting him giving him death threats for not giving the +2 nintendo bonus. It was a huge scandal in the zelda community at the time little did we know 8/10 includes the +2 nintendo bonus

>>713744912
explain how

or even just try to explain how TP's actually forced linearity and no option to skip anything, throughout the entire game (and triple the amount of cutscene/dialogue time) makes it not significantly worse compared to OoT on replays where you can actually be quite flexible in what order you want to do stuff in.

>>713746015
>zoomers
seek help

>>713746278
That's a meme. Zelda 2 is completely fine, tell me what parts you consider bullshit. It was so much fun. I think the only part I thought was annoying was the mountains with the lizaflos.

>>713744980
don't get me wrong, i also love it.
but if I have to be really honest about it, it's moment to moment game design is actually awful for zelda standarts.

it is alleviated a lot when you play it in 1-max 2 hour chunks every or every other day and just let yourself also get enchanted by the very strong presentation.

but yeah, i wouldn't replay it again for a few years. whereas OoT, MM and most of the non-capcom 2D ones, I could replay right now if i was forced to and not be bothered

>>713746417
the horrible overworld gameplay in itself is pure bullshit and janky

>>713746305
some people like the forced linearity and didnt like how in oot they needed to figure out to play saras song to the goron, or explore arounf the town to figure out how to get into the forest temple.

Personally i liked the forced aimless exploration sequence in zelda games. I even liked the triforce part in WW. one reason i didnt like TP is i always knew where to go so playing the game felt like a chore, i was going through the motions a lot of the time.

>>713746636
Not really lol. It's fine. The only annoying parts are hidden areas that aren't shown on the overworld itself. Otherwise, its not really a problem at all. I like the overworld .

>>713746305
Too easy, too simple, too shallow, braindead combat, shit performance, empty overworld, excessive dialogue and cutscenes, excessive tutorials.

It's overhyped by 64kiddies that love it purely based off vibe/themes alone

>>713746774
All that you described is exponentially worse in TP.

>>713745302
we write as if the game being designed like a chore when you replay it, is a chore.
which it is.
you need good pacing and player agency to make a game fun to play on replays and basically all the best games do this well.
good pacing, rewarding game knowledge and player skill. and TP does basically none of that.

please read and think along when you want to discuss something with people

>>713746742
the semi random encounter were trash, you couldn't even stand still without monster spawning, the swamp slowing you down was insult to injury. The forest triggering random encounters on top of the spawning encounter were bullshit, and until you get the healing and a decent amount of magic you just slowly get chipped by those unavoidable encounter. Getting touched by a monster on a road still triggers a fucking encounter devoided of monster.

>>713736701 (OP)
nostalgia, that's literally it
inb4
>m-m-MUH ZOOMER
I'm 34

>>713746417
It's just a downgrade in every way from Zelda 1 and has a shitty horribly balanced jarpig grinding system that has no place in Zelda.

Worse overworld, worse exploration, worse combat, worse dungeons, shitty magic system, horribly balanced jarpig grinding system, worse hitboxes, more obtuse progression, etc.

>>713747216
if it was nostalgia i would be replaying both or none of them. Funny how I only replay one.

>>713746897
the game is a chore because you are dying to be done with it. If you are not giving it the time investment required to understand it then you will not get much out of it. Deal with your personal problems first or choose another form of entertainment.

>>713746278
you just keep ignoring that he specifically says he recommends playing redux romhacks and say shit that doesn't apply.

amazing, you are actually this retarded

>>713747251
A level up system would unironically be the best thing for modern Zelda. All the issues with weapon balance in BOTW/TOTK wherein they felt durability would be a deterrent from just using the strongest weapon would be fixed if there were stat requirements.

And nah, it's not a problem. It's easy to level quickly in Zelda 2 and it's so satisfying. The idea that combat is worse is a meme as well. It's got great platforming combat. I like it as much as a Castlevania from that era. Nothing about the game is obtuse either. NPCs tell you exactly what to do.

Plus, mods like Redux or the PC port drastically expand the game and make it much more manageable. They're really fucking fun.

>>713747792
>redditspacing
>advocate for a leveling system
>retarded opinion about zelda 2
i fell for it

>>713747942
Dude, paragraphs have never been "Reddit spacing". I've been here since 2007 - if you truly believe what you're arguing, you won't try to dismiss differing opinions in such a cringe way. Nigger, these are videogames - wherein there's such a variety of opinions and tastes. I really enjoyed Zelda 2 and will always defend it. Again, I still advocate for mods of the game as well.

>>713745691
>released on 2 consoles with 2 different skews to accommodate the different control schemes
>only barely made it above Ocarina of Time
lmao

>>713748094
>always exactly one line per paragraphs
I somehow only see that on 4chan

>>713746667
>some people like the forced linearity and didnt like how in oot they needed to figure out to play saras song to the goron, or explore arounf the town to figure out how to get into the forest temple

this applies to first time playthroughs and i disagree with you, because that's basically saying "some people don't like to think or actually play video games" and i think those people should get out of my hobby
but we are talking about replays specifically now.

as an aside, I actually do kinda like the triforce piece section too and I agree with your assessment of TP as well

>>713746774
all that is worse in TP, I could say and also that is not explanation. you totally failed

>>713747361
that is an insane thing to say.
we are talking about replays here.
on replays the game needs to be engaging mechanically and general game design wise.

a great atmosphere, presentation and narrative (which TP has and you would know I think that if you actually used your eyes), doesn't help on replays, if the pacing and player agency is fucked.

and what time investment is there needed to understand anything in the game? what does that even mean?
the game basically holds your hand and railroads you on its own, fucked pacing throughout the entire experience.

which is bad for replays.
i hope you now understand what we are talking about

>>713736701 (OP)
I really want to play this game, what's the best way to play it on the couch? Buy a Wii U?

>>713747361
he literally just said it is a chore because it is badly designed. learn to read.
other games aren't a chore at all on subsequent playthroughs and can even be more fun in some cases (super metroid or mario 64 come to mind)

Every time I replay TP it drags towards the end and I just end up wishing I were playing OOT instead because it's so derivative

>>713748274
Dude, this is the way it looks to me. Come on man, again - if you truly believe what you say, you wouldn't try to just dismiss a dissenting perspective on such arbitrary shit.

Try the PC port man. It's really good!

>>713747942
>redditspacing
way to out yourself as a filthy secondary tourist newfag

>>713748413
I play the HD texture version using the OOT LInk mod on its custom Dolphin build on my steam deck. Link looks better imo, but it's because I'm an OOT fag. The WiiU version made some controversial changes to lighting and textures. Usually the GC version with external textures is the best version.

OoTards never recovered from this. ALttP raped them

>>713748541
i mean you just picked one of my points, advocating for a leveling system truly is retarded. They dropped it after zelda 2 because it doesn't fit the design zelda 2 went for

>>713748630
meds

>>713748413
if you have a CRT, play the gamecube version, if you don't then play the HD remaster on WiiU

also you can hook up a PC to your TV and use bluetooth controllers

>>713736701 (OP)
Mandatory sumo honestly deducts 2 points.
Also the bosses were all really forgettable or tedious.

>>713748505
you think saying "bad design" is a criticism. Who's the retard again?

>>713748837
>the design zelda 1 went for

>>713748837
>retarded yapping with no arguments provided
>gets caught being a newfag and is flustered

don't reply to this I, i generally ignore retards, who only post to be obnoxious

>>713747792
>It's easy to level quickly in Zelda 2
In the early game sure, lategame it's a fucking nightmare and you have to try and space out when you beat dungeons so that you're not wasting the free level.
And all of this assumes that you don't get a game over because having a lives system in a fucking RPG is an insane choice to make

>>713749006
I actually started browsing 4chan in 2023 and don't give two shit about what you think lmao
>don't reply to this
make me

>>713748413
Wii U version is dumbed down. enemies have less health, certain hazards deal less damage, your sword literally phases through walls instead of bouncing back, and filled with stupid amiibo and mii shit.

Just play GCN version

>>713749095
>because having a lives system in a fucking RPG is an insane choice to make
I think they didn't realize what people enjoyed with the first game and though players would get bored if it was more of the same but they didn't know what to do so they threw random shit at the wall to see what stuck. Prop to them for correcting splendidly with alttp

>>713736905
>because it's slow to start
I don't think people really comprehend just how bad the opening actually is.
>Explore village and have a forced ranching minigame that has little gameplay relevance to later sections
>go through entire forest to the end at the temple
>do yet another forced ranching minigame
>hyrule castle intermission
>explore the intro village AGAIN
>go through the forest to the temple AGAIN
>turn back into human
>go through entire forest to temple FOR A THIRD TIME (except this time there is a forced section where you need to escort a slow monkey through the fog)

>>713748805
But they're both good games, and Erin is just REALLY bad at OOT.

>>713748837
The leveling system is unironically the best solution for the current issue - durability. There's nothing wrong with its implementation in Zelda 2 either. This idea that "it doesn't suit Zelda" makes zero sense to me.

>>713748937
>game holds your hand, doesn't let you do things at your own pace
>game forces the order of almost all events and dungeons
>game has triple the amount of cutscenes and dialogue than OoT
>game slows down your pace to a grinding halt even outside of story beats constantly. refer to this post >>713744606
>game doesn't really reward your time investment into anything, really
>there is basically always only one way to solve any issue, problem or encounter. rewarding player skill at all is basically nonexistent

your turn to explain why TP is good on replays now.
im sure you will be very logical, fair and intelligent about this, if you even bother to actually explain anything

>>713749512
A leveling system isn't inherently bad, Zelda arguably already has it in a way with how the heart and magic upgrades work, but it's just implemented horribly in Zelda 2. The strength increase from levels is way too exponential and the game just fucks you in the ass if you don't completely optimize your exp gain and leveling

I also prefer TP to literally every Zelda. Half of it is the art style I think, Midna is so sexy

I wish more people would shit on Wind Waker, that game is just as ass as TP but gers a free pass cuz muh artstyle

Kinda like Okami now that I think about it

>>713736701 (OP)
The only way TP could be better is having a more mature story and perhaps a more dynamic progression. OOT has more iconic music, visuals and gameplay sequences. The color palette is amazing and makes you want to just chill in the world.

>>713741574
>but marries MM and OoT
STFU you retarded nimrod

>>713736701 (OP)
>is better than OoT in every possible way
It isn't.
>universally hated while OoT is the fan favorite
It isn't.

>>713749905
Nice, needed a new face cushion

>>713745571
Who plays Zelda and not 100% it?

>>713736701 (OP)
You faggots don't even play this game, you're just fapping to imp ass and absorb any other info about the game through osmosis from actual Zeldafags. That's at least one thing WWtoddlers have over you, they actually play their kusoge.

The one thing I do like about TP, is that it's structure apparently reuses a lot of content/ideas meant for prototype OOT

>>713736701 (OP)
>universally hated
I can't tell attention seeking bait from genuine retardation anymore.

>>713736701 (OP)
Because it's not lol. Twilight princess is terrible

>>713736701 (OP)
>YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT, GAMECUBE BAD, 64 GOOD!!

>>713736701 (OP)


OoT is timeless and has better puzzles.

I'm just waiting patiently for the remake of this game where they fix all the messed up issues and make it modern.

Because OoT has so much soul, the music, the atmosphere, the story. Everything felt revolutionary about it at the time and that is a powerful thing.

I bought TP when it came out. I'm not saying it's a bad game, but it's not something I'm ever interested in re-visiting even after all of these years. I've tried playing it again a few times over the years and always lose interest in it because quite frankly, it just doesn't grip you from the start like OoT does. Just think about how strong the opening for OoT is, waking up in the forest, getting the kokiri sword and deku shield and then getting into the Deku tree and hearing this kino fucking atmospheric music as you do the dungeon. Just pure fucking sovl. What moment does TP have at the start that even comes close?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6SUONt4Czo&t=1537s&ab_channel=DeletedBrawlBRSTMs3XExtensions-2013-2019

I cannot even recall a single piece of music from Twilight Princess in my head. I can think over and over again about the music and nothing comes to mind.

Too long for it's own good, also it didn't do anything groundbreaking to warrant being a longer game.
That's in my experience as a guy who played all the 3D Zelda games from 2020 to 2022, my memory is still fresh on these games. TP was still universally praised at launch cause it was the "next-gen" Zelda, but hindsight is 20/20 and we finally can settle the debate on: WindWaker being the goat, TP being OoT's carbon copy and SS being the truly underrated gem. I played SS twice, first time on the Wii in 2020 and then when it was remastered for the Switch, the game is linear but the art direction is so perfect, swordplay feels so fluid (i had a hard time cause i had a normal Wiimote at the time and was using the Wiimotion Plus at the bottom, and i think mine was faulty cause i had to recaliber that shit every 2 minutes, but i played it a little bit with the Wiimote with a built-in gyro and it's kino).

WW>SS>TP For Cube/Wii

They really need to bring the remasters of OoT and MM to the Switch 2 with more things in the overworld for new players to enjoy, they are primitive games but still fun as fuck.

>>713755771
https://youtu.be/P_kyCU0gwfA
https://youtu.be/Ay1ujrF_V2Q

I think Zant's theme is a bit of a brainworm since it sticks in your head, but otherwise I can't remember much of the OST either.

>>713745571
I might be forgetting what it was then, but it was something where I had to run around and collect a bunch of shit. Alternatively, I could just be remembering how annoying the poe sections were in general.

>>713756657
You might be thinking of the hunt for the Triforce pieces. It was a low-point in the game, and hindsight tells you that it's because they had to scrap an entire dungeon for deadlines and needed something to fill that space.

>>713736701 (OP)
Its about as short as wind waker

>>713756762
Disregard I suck cocks. Reading is hard and my brain is tiny.

>>713736905
I've absolutely read more books than you. I play games to, you know, play the game

>>713740418
What's your favorite Ultima game

>>713736778
>>713740954
Zelda 2 mogs every other Zelda

I thought it was a good one-off I pretty much treat it like majoras mask or minish cap

>>713741889
>Mad at zoomers
>Mad at zoomers for not feeling challenged by a Zelda game
You can be a balding 40 year old that still spends time on /v/ or you can be a tendie that's never played a game with actual dungeons, and I see you've chosen both

>>713756586
Actually listening to those I do kind of remember the theme music of TP in my head but still it's like I need to listen to the music just to recall it whereas with OoT all of those soundtracks are just engraved in my brain permanently and I can hum them all from memory.

I like playing the WiiU version of TP over the GC.

>>713736701 (OP)
Midna's fat Impussy

>>713755342
there are multiple ways to play it nowadays with all the modernisation you could want without raping the aesthetics or game design.

just play one of those.
OoT redux or Ship of Harkinian

>>713757721
I could replay TP right now on my Wii since I have both a Wii and GCN version of it but I always wanted to play the remake if I'm ever going to play it again and it's still stuck on the fucking WiiU after a decade.

WTF is Nintendo's fucking problem? How hard would it be for them to just port it again to the switch? Same for WWHD

it had beef link tho

>>713736701 (OP)
Hated? I always loved twilight princess.. the combat was leagues better than Oot, and honestly my only complaint is the beginning village part, but once you get going and you're out in the world doin your thing it's loads of fun.

when is twilight coming to Nintendo Switch Online

>>713758850
Just get a cheap WiiU and hack it?
Best purchase I ever made.
Can play all Nintendo Consoles on it barring 3DS.
Funny thing is I have the GC, Wii and WiiU versions of TP on my WiiU.

>>713736905
Yeah, spending the first third in wolf form before even getting to the dungeons, the first three of which are just awful, kill the game. The rest of it is pretty damn good, though.

>>713736701 (OP)
I really like it. It was my most played zelda game when I was a kid even. But I remember being very disappointed that it wasn't as gritty as OoT. In terms of atmosphere, story, general themes and almost everything you can think of minus gameplay, it felt like a watered down version of it.

>>713760005
>OoT
>gritty

Just wait until it gets the re-release and everything comes full circle and /v/ is like “you know what this may be the best Zelda ever” just to be contrarian fags like always

>>713760157
For zelda standards? Yes.

Would you, Anonymous, say Skyward Sword is worse than Windwaker? I think they're both terrible, but Windwaker seems to have a little more going for it with Medli and Tetra.

guys i broke all my gear in botw fighting a lynel before realizing mounting it after headshotting uses no durability...

Like, I don't even recall entering the first dungeon when I played Skyward Sword, and I was a tween at the time it came out. This is just nasty.

>>713736701 (OP)
>"wow, that forced tutorial shit in Wind Waker was pretty lame, hopefully they won't do that again next time"
>next game it's even fucking longer
I get that it was also on the Wii and they were trying to train people to use motion controls, but come the fuck on. They really need to start putting in some kind of "I've already played this game before" modifier to tick before you start another profile so you can just skip the first hour or so.

>>713760604
basically every criticism thrown at WW and TP is amplified even worse in SS

>>713761149
if you are referring to the beginning part where you have to fuck around in the village before the game actually starts Majora's mask is way more egregious. If you are referring to the part where you swing a sword at some dummies and use the slingshot it only takes like a minute I really don't see how you can be this impatient.

>>713736701 (OP)
>>universally hated
no its not lmao

Yeah it was kino.
Yeah TP is great.

>>713736701 (OP)
i am partial to minnish cap being my favorite but twilight princess is definitely not universally hated. If anything both twilight princess and windwaker fans just have persecution complex so they are are always biting on each other's heads while saying how "underrated" their game is.

>>713760005
TP is definitely more gritty than OoT, but in a childlike sense like Tim Burton movies or Coraline.

>>713760157
OoT has some freaky shit too, though.

>>713756025
>WindWaker being the goat
Jesus christ

>>713744805
It's the best one

>>713759763
Don't forget it's the best Sega CD machine.

>>713760604
TP > MM > OoT > TWW > SS

That's just facts.