I'm starting to get roguelite fatigue.

>>713755662 (OP)
I'm starting to get fatigue fatigue

>>713755662 (OP)
>I LOVE GAME

>Doesn't want to replay it

Well you know the more you watch a movie/read a book, the more you pick up on little things as well.

>>713755940
I saw someone post about some kind of fatigue on normie social media earlier today and thought this sentence word for word. I hate how tiktok has turned the world into some kind of hivemind.

Roguelites are for players that are too much of a bitch to play arcade games. Fake gamers.

>>713756047
it always sounds like comically whiney as well. like i imagine the guy typing it doing a big pathetic Chris Chan style sigh.

>>713756047
I'm starting to get tiktok normie hivemind fatigue

>>713756043
It's not about having to replay the game, but why do I have to do so much inane bullshit just to get the full game? I'm talking about shit like Isaac where you need to clear mom's heart 10 times to get the chest, need to donate 1000 coins to greed before the lost becomes playable, etc. just give me the game

>>713755940
I am sick and tired of being sick and tired.

>>713755662 (OP)
then dont buy them? retard

>>713755662 (OP)
Then don't start a thread about them faggot retard

>>713756387
The way I play games personally I don't have to get all the content. If it's not reasonable to access before I lose interest in it I'm okay with not seeing it or just youtubing the shit. I don't understand the need to pick a games bones clean when there are so man games to play and so little time

>>713756387
>unlockables BAD!
just don't unlock them?
just cheat them in?
in other news, someone recommend me some good roguelites. I don't play enough of them. I got death must die like a month ago and it was really fun but too short.

>>713755662 (OP)
I've seen some that come with an unlock everything toggle so you don't need to bother with meta progression if you want to play with everything right away.

>>713756047
>brainrot
>jumpscare being reduced to "thing appearing in front of me"
>some other stupid shit I can't think of at the moment
The tiktok hivemind thing is absolutely spot-on. I'm so incredibly tired of seeing zoomers use (and most often misuse) the same 10 terms everywhere.

>>713756764
Which ones?

"roguelite" is just a made up, nebulous marketing term coined by grifting devs trying to sell proc gen slop to people

It depends. In a game like Isaac, the point of the game is to unlock things. In something like Slay the Spire or Balatro, the point of the game is to win and unlocks are pointless padding. The best argument you could make in those games is to keep the game simpler when you're starting out to add complexity over time, but it's a bad argument.

>>713755940
fatigue has become the new slop. Something that is real but too annoying to want to fuck with.

>>713755662 (OP)
>>713756387
based

Honestly, even shit as simple as "You get new content and a lot of exclusive items on a second run" is enough for me to consider it a big minus on a game and a potential reason not to play it.

Even worse when it's "Higher difficulties are locked in the first playthrough"

I just don't replay games, man. I like trying out new stuff and I like having fond memories of my favorite games that I only played once.

>>713755662 (OP)
Its as good as the game is.
Isaac = kino
Throne = kino
Gungeon = dogshit
Wizard if Legend = kino
Voidigo = kino
Dead cells = dogshit

Enter the Gungeon gave me roguelite fatigue.

>>713757003
slice and dice is the only one I remember by name. But I've seen at least one or two more that have it.

>>713757521
All of them aren't even qualified to wash Noita's feet.

>by the time you've unlocked all the stuff you've already played the game long enough to get tired of it

>>713757727
Noitas regular loop is cool but 90% of the game being esoteric wikishit immediately dumpsters it

>>713757603
>200+ deaths and still haven't beat a past
I like it, but I feel similar

>>713757181
i'd say for slay the spire, all the unlocking is pointless and shouldn't exist, EXCEPT for the ascensions. that actually makes sense the way it is now.

>>713757768
>unlocking more stuff makes future runs overall worse because more terrible items are now polluting the loot pool

>>713755662 (OP)
I love Rogutelites, but it is frustrating that EVERY game has to be one or contain Roguelite elements. Developers think it is a cheat code for engagement. There are so many games that just do not need it and force it in.

>>713756431
Based /his/ poster

the only unlocks in run based games that aren't inherently terrible design are things that apply for a run's entire duration rather than being something you can randomly find during a run. stuff like ships in ftl, characters in issac, and even ascensions in slay the spire are examples of tolerable unlocks. in a game that only uses these types of unlocks, there should be no inherent differences between a players first run, and any other run that player does with the same starting conditions.

I appreciate games like Hades and Rogue Legacy using the "runs" as a narrative device, but boy is it the most antifun thing to hit the first boss and see clearly that there is absolutely 0 intent on the game being beaten first try
>ERM ACKSHUALLY THEY CAN BE BEATEN RUN 1
not reasonably

how do we coin a term for run based games that are not simulturn tile based dungeon crawlers (roguelikes), but also are not designed with metaprogression as the primary mechanic of the game (roguelites)? because there still isn't a name for them despite most of the most popular run based games being part of this group.

>>713757384
I like replaying stuff but I hate being FORCED to replay stuff. If you made a fun game you don't have to be so insecure about someone not playing it again...

>>713759812
That would just be an arcade game

>>713760049
>how do we coin a term for *procedurally generated* run based games that are not simulturn tile based dungeon crawlers (roguelikes), but also are not designed with metaprogression as the primary mechanic of the game (roguelites)? because there still isn't a name for them despite most of the most popular *procedurally generated* run based games being part of this group.
happy?

>>713760283
That would just be a heavily randomized arcade game

>ITT: /v/ gets mad about unlockables/achievement rewards/progression systems

Do roguelites have compelling gameplay systems or is the whole format just the seed lottery?

>>713755662 (OP)
For a genre promoted on being random it sure doesn't take any time at all for me to keep seeing the same weapons and upgrades again and again, in most games you'll end up having the same run after 5 runs at best, the majority of them also suffer from absolute garbage maps without any meaningful variation to justify constantly replaying them

>>713757384
>"Higher difficulties are locked in the first playthrough"

I like this, the developer has faith in their difficulty system to tell you "no, that's not the intended experience for a first time player"

>>713758319
Roguelites became offline live service games

I agree that's why I dislike Elden Ring
>I beat the game, now to replay it with selfimposed limitations!

>>713761041
I think it's much worse when I see a cool weapon and then never see it again. Roguelites are such a meme. A fine genre but there's way too many of them now.

>>713760283
I just call those roguelikes.

You should instead call the ones that you consider roguelikes "rogueclones" or something similar.

>>713761204
>I'm shit at my own game so everyone else must be as well
>No-one on the planet is smarter or quicker on the uptake than I am.

Arrogance, plain and simple.

>>713761320
>now to replay it with selfimposed limitations!
Achievements in a nutshell, amazing how a little popup can make people waste their time with games they should be done with because they get to tick a checklist

>>713756047
>tiktok
It's been going on for way longer than that.
University students have been parrots for at least 2 decades now.

>>713755662 (OP)
It's the game a dev makes when they cannot be asked to attempt balancing loot/abilities.

>>713761320
There's literally nothing forcing you to replay Elden Ring at all, the fuck are you talking about?

>>713761320
Who the fuck is forcing you to replay elden ring? Why is this thread full of dumbasses

>>713756047
That's how the world has always been, you repeated meme phrases from books and tv shows your whole life, but before with the more limited access to information you wouldn't always find out about the source to realize you were in a hivemind

>>713761897
?? There's nothing forcing you to do any of the shit in op image

>>713762068
>can't defend their own dumbass post
>b-b-but look at the tweet!!

>>713762068
Nta but in a lot of Roguelites you can’t fight the final boss until you’ve done a bunch of runs, this is bizarre there’s no reason to bring up ER in this context

>>713761320
>brings up a game that isn't a roguelite in a thread talking about roguelites

>>713762068
Fucking low IQ Brine shrimp.
Repeat playthroughs is literally a built in mechanic; if not a defining feature of roguelikes.

Elden Ring is a one and done RPG, it's designed to play it once.