Thread 713761270

I can't tell if Bayonetta was always shit or if it's just aged poorly
Where do I go from Bayonetta?

>>713761270 (OP)
Depends on what you didn't like from Bayonetta?

>>713761418
Enemy designs, especially Gracious and Glorious and Fairness and Fearless are just incredibly annoying and obnoxious, but then most other enemies are just too easy and barely register as threats
The charge property thing is kind of cool on weapons, but it feels like at NSIC you barely have time to even do it
The biggest thing is the emphasis on wicked weaves means that combat starts to feel really samey and you're encouraged to cycle through a few effective combos, and not really be creative
It was fun for a while but it's like I've outgrown it

>>713761270 (OP)
Get good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ph6Imx8k8

>stylish action
every damn week you come with a new retarded name for the genre
kill yourself

>>713761970
I have no idea why zoomers don't just say hack n slash

I'm 85% serious about going to the shops, getting an Xbox One X and finally playing ninja gaiden

>>713761970
>>713762065
It's been called stylish action since dmc 1 you fucking zoomers

>>713761970
Stylish Action is an ANCIENT term, you fucking newfaggot.
Character Action is also an old term, but it doesn't make any fucking sense and used to refer to a much broader range of video games.

>>713761656
I suggest looking into DMC 4 or a Ninja Gaiden game. DMC 5 is satisfying but it does tend to drift into the "optimal combo" territory of things.
Also check out Killer Is Dead. And Revengence

>>713762293
it have been called hack & slash all their life
get fucked underage

>dmc special edition only available on console
Yeah I'm done with crapcum, fucking garbage company

I think this genre is confused

They exclude games they don’t like even if it fits the criteria and pretend some good games they belong, even if they have almost nothing in common

>>713762483
Yes and no.
Hack and Slash is an umbrella genre term. It'd be like saying "Hero Shooter" is a useless term because it should just be "shooter".
Sure, it's /technically/ correct. But it's far broader.
It also doesn't consider certain cases of overlap.
God Hand is a Stylish Action game and that's a "Beat 'em Up" if anything. Not a Hack and Slash

I knew this genre as hack n' slash all my life. About 6 to 8 years ago i first heard it being called character action. Only recently i am seeing it being named stylish action.
Overall, only hack n' slash makes sense. Character action means nothing and stylish action has implications aside from core gameplay.

>>713761270 (OP)
Dmc 5, Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor Edge, God Hand, Assault Spy. That should satisfy.

What do you guys think about MadWorld?
I know it's not DMC or NG tier but would you consider it a fairly decent action(or technically beat em up)game?

Bayo is pretty much the absolute rock bottom of the genre, so comparatively speaking you can't go wrong with any other game/series.

>>713763263
It's a novelty. Nothing more Nothing less.

>>713763328
>the absolute rock bottom of the genre
Elaborate

I don’t love Bayonetta but I disagree with people saying it sucks

I only played Bayo 1, when I get a Switch 2 later I’ll try the other 2 probably but as far as I know the protagonist looks too gay/tranny and it had a slight pacing issue where you just felt like the game should have ended 3-4 hours ago

Being an older game the camera isnt great but nowhere as near as bad as some of the Ninja Gaiden entries

>>713762576
Just download crimson

Anyone disagree?

>>713763593

Don’t feel like I said something wrong

>>713762160
no it hasn't and your pathetic attempt at try to force this while pretending not to be an underage faggot is both sad and funny

>>713762065
>>713762483
hack n slash is diablo clones lads, sorry you weren't there

How the fuck do I beat 1-3 in Vanquish on god hard? I want to like the game because I liked my hard playthrough but this shit is bonkers

How do we feel about the DMC 4 repeat?

>>713764774
>no it hasn't
???

>>713763328
Avatarfagging is doing you the opposite of favors when people can see your retarded opinions and you getting BTFO across multiple threads.

>>713765443
Optimistic

where my captain bloodheads at

Wanted Dead is my favorite Stylish/Character Action game

>>713765558
>things that never happened

what gun fits better for a captain falcon larp dmc5 loadout, E&I or the shotgun?

>>713765443
>NG reduced to generic Platinum slop
video games are over, pack up and go home everyone

>>713765443
I'm coming around on Yakumo. I think they call it "acceptance".
The shit storm on here when Ryu only had DS and is only in like 4 of 15 missions is going to be funny to watch.

>>713766464
How is NG shovelware?

>>713766795
Play it
Its fucking garbage
10fps at times, horrible bosses, barely there enemy AI, retarded shit like invisible mines etc

>>713761270 (OP)
Idk. It's probably cause I play mostly casually and am not autistic about constantly getting the highest scores on the highest possible difficulty but Bayo 1 and 2 are just peaks in the genre for me. The universe of these games is more interesting to me than from other action franchises.

>>713765470
This was poking fun at MGS

Bayonetta > Ninja Gaiden > DMC
simple as

>>713766932
if you don't play action games you'll naturally like bayo since it's simple and inoffensive, like dmc3
idk i'm kinda split on them, they have aspects i like but they're also blatantly dmc2 adjacent to the point idk why so many people gladly tear up dmc2 but bayo can't be touched because sex lmao

>>713766878
>barely there enemy AI
Alright man.

>but look at this doppelganger fight!111
OK and now look at literally every other enemy, like the fish, the werewolves, the ghost serpent thing etc etc

>>713767310
>they have aspects i like but they're also blatantly dmc2 adjacent
what did he mean by this

>>713765443
what I'm hearing is I can play the entire game with just ryu in chapter challenge at least

>>713767585
>he thinks CC will be in the game

>>713767691
doubt it wouldn't

>enter thread
>see NG4 hater schizo samefagging
>leave thread

>>713761270 (OP)
What other game has hitboxes like these?

>>713767998
lol for a second there he remembered he's playing a parryslop game

>>713767998
>slows down every 2 seconds
god bros i fucking hate games that do this

>>713767998
I don't know how to tell you this but having good hitboxes is generally quite common in any real action game
Not that Stellar Blade is a good action game let alone an action game at all that is

>>713767998
>Fight 1 thing
>Run around the map for 30 minutes
>Push a block
>Do a "puzzle" (recommend ages 3+)
Nice "action" game. Why not just play rpgm slop if you want to goon?

>>713764975
diablo is an arpg; it's focused on class builds, leveling, and equipment. games like blood will tell, ninja gaiden, bujingai, shinobi, nightshade, dmc, onimusha, etc. are hack n slash games.

The worst thing about NG4 is that these DMC5-style zoomers will flood the fanbase and ruin discussion for at least a year once it comes out.

>>713768843
You NGtrannies have done a fine job proving you're all nonplaying schizos

>>713768806
before talking you should actually just google to see if maybe you're a retarded faggot that doesn't know anything, might help you avoid looking like a tool in the future

>>713768843
>a year
Try forever

There's no good name for genre because there isn't enough games to constitute a genre. Basically every game in the "genre" is in the picture in the OP.

KH2FM mogs all games mentioned itt
>mogs ninja shitden
>mogs plebbit may cry
>mogs bayonetroon
>mogs mgr slop
>mogs god of soÿ
KH2FM is the king of action games

have we ever had a good action game thread

>>713768843
what's even there to ruin lmao?
nobody talks about NG unless it's jerking off vanilla 2 or shitting on 3

>>713768979
i thought it was boring 2bqhwy and that's before we even begin to address how cringey it is if you're playing it while not being in a 6 year old girl

>>713769040
Last one was good.

>>713769064
>nobody talks about NG unless it's jerking off vanilla 2
Good. It should remain that way.

>>713768912
>google it
ok
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_(video_game)
oh no looks like I'm right! even the devs call it an arpg! wow I'm so sorry faggot, not only was my breakdown of the core mechanics correct but the devs themselves and google also correctly classify it as an arpg!

the time has come

>>713769508
Hack and slash, also known as hack and slay ... originally used to describe a play style in tabletop role-playing games, carrying over from there to MUDs, massively multiplayer online role-playing games, and role-playing video games.

>>713769402
this is why team ninja loves nioh and lets ninja gaiden rot away in the basement

>>713769040
unless the mods make it so that this site disables you from posting if you have discord, gamefaqs, or xitter tabs opened then we're not getting a decent action game thread without some tribalist schizo or an avatarfaggot shitting the thread

>>713762097
Worth

>>713769402
>nobody talks about NG unless it's jerking off vanilla 3
Ftfy. Honest mistake I'm sure.

>>713769402
>actually our meme game that runs at 5fps is a secret hardcore masterpiece

>>713765381
bros pls

>>713761656
>Gracious and Glorious and Fairness and Fearless
I swear Bayo has the worst enemy names ever.

>>713761270 (OP)
they are called games, that's what they are
any more obscure ones worth grabbing on a sale btw?

Nioh3 going to be glorious
https://youtu.be/MJTVTxKBYu8?feature=shared

>bayonetta is the worst game in the genre
Elaborate on that
>u-uh uhhh.... no but here's a webm of itagaki being a tryhard faggot

>>713771216
>soulslike slop garbage
miss me with that shit

>>713770418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipBYK4PT5Wg

>>713771339
nioh is a soulslike on a very superficial level

>>713771216
>5:22
They finally fixed 1vX combat

>>713771440
Don't bother. It's a known shitposter who has no idea how Nioh plays.

>>713771330
I elaborated on it many times in the past, not my problem you have ghostfish memory and intelligence.

>>713771216
>big pinned comment about how he thinks it's worse than 2
It's niohver

>>713771440
Nioh is a soulslike, period. Nothing superficial about it.

Bayon is better designed than ng2

>>713771819
>deeper moveset then any souls
>movement too
>stamina literally doesn't matter

>>713771932
Nah not in a million years. I'll take the worst NG and DMC over the best Bayo.

>>713771520
>i totally btfo bayonetta in a way that made all fans and even kamiya kill himself but uhhhh just check the archive for vague posts
Lmfao

Honestly the camera fucking sucks for signa on the master collection I don’t blame people thinking NG is unplayable shovelware

>>713771216
Nioh 3 does look increasingly less like a soulslike and more like an action game

>IP count stayed the same
hmm

>>713762576
its already running with glitches on shadps4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqsA6YwvpLk

does ninja gaiden 2 work on xenia yet

>>713772441
yeah, but you need patches and audio bugs out sometimes and you need to restart

>>713772369
I mean DMC5SE
Fuck the PC players I guess, buy a new console

>>713772084
Being "deeper than any Souls" doesn't mean that Nioh isn't a soulslike. That's just not how video game genres work. Nioh still shares more fundamentals with Souls games than actual action games. I don't even know why some Nioh fans like you claim that Nioh isn't a soulslike when TN is pretty open about how they were heavily influenced by Dark Souls.

>>713772574
>every third person melee 3D beat em up is soulslike
not this shit again

>>713772253
It doesn't suck, you're just brainrotted from the fixed perspective of souls. I bet you're constantly trying to fight the camera with the stick.

>>713772574
What fundamentals does it share with souls likes other than the checkpoint system?

>>713772441
If you can afford PC theb you can afford Xbox.

>>713772574
Name a "soulslike" other than Nioh where you can do this?

>>713772441
Audio bug still exists
I once play it for 3hrs without any random audio cut but not anymore
Just play modded sigma :(

>>713772983
>DMC style
That's a no dawg

dmc3 boomer here, am i the only one that things newer action games are filled with too much bloated nonsense? DMC5's EX-act timings felt like a lot to memorize for each move. Bounced off Bayonetta pretty quickly but I don't remember why. Sekiro was more my speed in it's movepools but the enemies, even bosses, were too simple. Enemies ended combos with their thrust instead of mixing them in so you always knew the combo was over when you see the thrust prompt. ER's high/low mixups was pretty good, reminiscent of viewtiful joe. I have no interest in doing FG style combos, with frame link timings on sandbags with simple movesets. At this point I may as well just start developing my own action game that gives the enemies a "stagger" meter that triggers an enrage instead ala God Hand. Doing massive damage when an enemy is standing there is dull, doing massive damage when they drop their defense for a furious offense would be more engaging.

This game is unironically not that bad.

Yes, it doesn't play anything like the 3D Ninja Gaidens before it. It's not very polished. It's not even super original being mostly a GoW clone with some NG ideas thrown in.

But looking past that, it's perfectly fine as a silly spin-off. The gameplay is mostly serviceable. It's actually funny as fuck and Yaiba specially is hilarious. I think it's worth playing at least once, just don't expect it to be a proper NG and take a suck.

>>713772574
Soulslike is something that try to replicate fromsouls formula without changing much core gameplay, lies of p is a good example of a good soulslike
Nioh is souls-inspired, it took some elements from fromsouls game but it also took heavy inspiration from fighting games, beat em up, diablo and many other genre
Would you call demon souls a metroidvania-like?

>>713772781
>it doesn’t suck
Are you serious? You are such a NG fanboy you are in a dysfunctional relationship with the truth. Camera is one of the biggest sore points of the franchise that didn’t even get fixed on the remaster, which btw is not “honoring” some tradition, it is called laziness and a part of the reason why this shit is dying off. You actually like the camera? Or are you just remembering the good old boomer days when you first played it on the original xbox? At least DMC and Bayonetta never had cameras that bad, Bayonetta 1 was arguably not even bad at all and DMC fixed it for DMC 3 within the same gen

If you’re gonna lie at least make it believable

>>713765470
>Stylish Hard Action
I sure do love Thief, an entry in the Tactical Espionage Action genre!

>>713772669
That's not what I said. The fact that you can't understand that Nioh is a soulslike when it's got so many of the genre's fundamentals such as the combat system being clearly 1v1-focused, the same lock-on system every single soulslike uses (which further encourages 1v1 fights), the stamina system (which is still there even if it supposedly doesn't matter), etc. either means that you're stupid, or that you think that "soulslike" is some kind of insulting label that you don't want applied to a game you like. It's dumb either way.

>>713773573
>Nioh is souls-inspired
You could even call it a souls-lite.

>>713764975
those are called arpgs these days grandpa
however, arpgs (japanese) are typically just tales-likes or kingdom hearts-likes

>>713767310
just because bayo has dodge offsetting doesn't mean the combo strings are about shooting your enemies to death anon

>>713764774
Fuck you fag, ages ago there was always a /v/ style tournament but now its gone before no-skill fags like you have taken over.

>>713764639
Nier (Automato) is a kitchen sink of Platinum mechanics. It's not super deep, but it is a more satisfying and layered action game than Wanted: Dead. Wanted: Dead is very good for a discount price (it's $6 on the steam sale right now), but it's fun in spite of its pretty blatant problems. The Maniac level is kino though.

>>713765443
honestly? I think it'll be fine (if not great in some ways) but very different from what NG fans want in NG. People will bitch it isn't Itagaki's vision, which is valid, but they won't give it a fair shake as its own thing either.

>>713771216
Im holding my hopes up, Im replaying Nioh 2 right now and boy do I fucking hate the loot gacha system.

>>713773570
Yaiba defense force needs to stop.

>>713774134
>gacha
stop using words you dont understand

>>713773472
>Sekiro was more my speed in it's movepools
bro the game has two moves

>>713773570
kill yourself nigger-kun!!! I played it and it's dogshit!!!

>>713774206
Its the perfect word for the shitty loot system so fuck off.

>>713773472
>newer action games are filled with too much bloated nonsense
You can say the same about DMC3, KH2, NGB. All released same year and can be seen as bloated to some.
>At this point I may as well just start developing my own action game
Do it.

>>713774162
>>713774341
Hey I'm just saying DmC: Devil May Cry wishes it were as funny as Yaiba.

>>713774063
"NG fans" want different things
none of the 3 games play the same

>>713774458
no it fucking doesn't and dmc dmc plays 100 times better than yaiba

Bayoneta was always shit.
On the other hand, what do you guys think, is Wukong character action? Not as complex in combos as some other games, but it is definitely closer than it is a souls-like.Or just call it an action hack and slash game from the 00s.

>bayonetta was always shit
OK why?
>uh...because uh....anyway wukong

NGB > Bayo > NG2

>try to give spirit x strike another shot
>get to master Erin on grand master
>she does fucking option selects with no tells to fuck your parry timing
Kiss the fattest part of my ass

>>713774828
>OK why?
Shitty level gimmicks. Nonsense story. Unlikable characters. Wack visual style.

But most importantly, fake depth.

People praise Bayonetta for its mechanics but in reality they're just convoluted for the sake of it. Fundamentally the way you interact with enemies isn't really different to how you do it in say, DMC, just with an extra veneer of complexity.

parrying and its consequences have been a disaster for action games

>>713775141
Use your big boy words instead of fucking "fake depth"
Holy shit

>>713773472
People have weird ideas about how things work in god hand
Enraged enemies don't behave any differently or take any more or less damage, they just run at you instead of pacing or doing long range attacks

>>713775173
action games created parrying and dodging
fromslop flanderized the mechanics and turned them into slop for the mainstream goyim
from software is literally the anti christ of vidya

>>713775141
Convoluted?
Anon it couldn't be simpler
Do your combo while holding each press for a bit
Dodge while holding the button
Then continue the combo
What fucking complexity are you imagining

>>713775193
Mad because I'm right. There's a reason no one outside of Platinum copied its systems.

In order to be in this genre you need
>fieldview 2.5D camera
>hit counter
>rating at the end of stage
>some type of connection to someone from dmc/bayonetta/ninja gaiden

>>713775334
USE YOUR WORDS

>>713775307
>it couldn't be simpler
What about letting me do effective attacks rather than gating WWs behind an arbitrary number of button presses or a magic cost?

>>713775402
Those are my words, bitch.

>>713775334
What? Nearly every single Platinum game can be described as a different spin on Bayonetta if you really wanted to do it.

>>713775468
>only point about gameplay is "fake depth"
Use your goddamn words to actually qualify your post

>>713775173
Parrying is a perfectly fine mechanic, a great one even
It just needs to either be the primary focus of everything in the game, with enemy behaviors and animations and so on being tuned specifically for the parry (Sekiro/MGR) or a very niche and situational move that isn't just the automatic solution to every problem (DMC)

The issue is when devs use the existence of parries in their game as an excuse for not doing any real work on enemy AI and movesets and the flow of combat.

>>713775481
Bro...
>no one outside of Platinum

>>713775506
Nigga, I literally explained what I fucking meant by that on the same post, READ instead of being a buttblasted bitch.

>>713775424
>I don't want to engage with the primary mechanic
That's fine
Just don't be such a bitch about it or try to pretend it's "too complex"

>>713775507
Sekiro is literally the poster child for braindead parryslop gameplay

you're mad at parrying because you suck at it despite it being one of the easiest mechanic in action games

>>713775507
>It just needs to either be the primary focus of everything in the game
the very definition of parryslop

>>713775571
>uh it has fake depth and insists upon itself
You're retarded

>>713775594
>primary mechanic
It's just a completely unnecessary execution barrier.

>>713775671
Keep being mad, it only makes me look righter.

>>713775648
>>713775604
That's stupid. You're stupid.
Parryslop is shit like Stellar Blade.

>>713773670
>combat system being clearly 1v1-focused
That's Monster Hunter. Just because it's not Musou doesn't mean it's 1v1-focused. Nioh have many group fights in missions and dual bosses.

>the same lock-on system
You never played the game. Souls also didn't invent lock-on.

I understand people like you with 0 knowledge on games would use the word soulslike.
I discourage the use of the word. Because I will never recommend anyone who likes souls to play Nioh.

>>713775724
>Holding down the button instead of mashing is an execution barrier
Maybe if you have cerebral palsy

>>713775728
never make an action game please

>>713775724
>>713775141
All you said was the game was convoluted and had fake depth
You haven't qualified or explained anything

>>713775618
rollslop is easier

Wukong belongs in this genre but wont get accepted by the community

>>713775516
I stand corrected but even then that's not true. I know that the nu-GoW games outright copied Bayonetta's Witch Time, for example.

>>713775798
Are you actually defending stellar blade or do you just hate sekiro that much

Either way, git gud faggot

>>713775604
no you dense tourist
sekiro is the poster child of a game built around the parry as the central mechanic. it doesn't shoehorn them or make them randomly too powerful. it's the main mechanic, and that's why sekiro works.
parryslop is when developers look at the success of parrying in action games and make a bad system where parries reward you entirely too much

>>713775604
Sekiro is actually qte gameplay.

>>713775724
>It's just a completely unnecessary execution barrier.
It's literally the basic universal cancel of the game.
...anon, don't tell me you hate Bayonetta because you can't into dodge offset timing. So it's unironically a skill issue?

>>713775873
Sekiro does not fucking work, you turn your brain off and press one button 90% of the time
fuck you stupid zoomers for ruining modern combat

Sekiro's back-and-forth rhythm gameplay is the exact opposite of mashy parryslop kusoge like stellar blade or spirit x strike

>>713775873
>parryslop is when developers look at the success of parrying in action games and make a bad system where parries reward you entirely too much
you mean exactly like sekiro lmao

>>713775873
Parry is the most powerful weapon in Sekiro.

>>713775773
>he thinks "execution barrier" means it's hard
The game itself qualifies it as an execution barrier by giving you the option of doing combo-less WWs for resource.

>>713775804
R E A D
>Fundamentally the way you interact with enemies isn't really different to how you do it in say, DMC
Pressing a bunch of buttons because otherwise the game won't let you do Da Big Boom Attack isn't mechanical depth.

>>713775928
I'm not even talking about dodge offset. DO is just a consequence of the WW system.

Here's the game that actually does it right.

>>713776113
Can't explain what's not there, bro.

>>713775873
how do fromtards manage to deal with the cognitive dissonance of posting something correct then immediately defending fromslop with said dosghit

>>713775732
>Nioh have many group fights in missions and dual bosses.
So does pretty much every other Souls game. It still doesn't change that the combat systems of those games are very clearly built with 1v1 fights in mind.
>You never played the game.
It is the same exact lock-on system. Don't even pretend otherwise.
>Because I will never recommend anyone who likes souls to play Nioh
You don't have to because most people who like Nioh are already generally Souls fans. Acting as if Nioh is above Souls fans or something is just silly.

>>713776173
They just borrow second-hand knowledge of game mechanics from action game community and use it to defend fromsoftware without analyzing the game.

>he thinks "execution barrier" means it's hard
Anon...
An execution barrier is when an action in a game has input and/or timing requirements that makes it more difficult to use.
For example, 1-frame links in SF4 put a strong execution barrier in front of certain combos. Standing 360's are an execution barrier on non-buffered command throws. Etc.

You're retarded

>>713773472
>DMC5's EX-act timings felt like a lot to memorize for each move.
You're not wrong but you're conceptualizing Exceed in the wrong way. More than being something you always need to hit perfectly, Exceed is more of a way of show off like Royalguard. It'll give you tons of style as a result. In DMC5 Nero has a bunch of other offensive options (Breakers and the Bringer specially) precisely so you don't have to constantly Exceeding.

>fromsoft is just souls
/v/ literally doesn't play games

>>713776151
>The game that does parries right is the one where ducking is the better option 99% of the time
People are bad at Sekiro.

>>713776408
>>713773472
ACT and EX-ACT are actually super intuitive and very easy to incorporate without thinking, just not with default controls.
Move Exceed to R2 instead of L2 and just tap it in rhythm with your triangle presses. It's much more natural when you're using fingers on the same hand.

>>713776272
>built with 1v1 in mind
Do you have intended cancel in Souls?
>same lock-on
Prove it retard.
>people who like Nioh are already generally Souls fans
Delusional. Post screenshots of souls fans buying Ronin over Dragon's Dogma 2.

>>713776392
Can you even do a standing 360 without buffering?

>>713776463
>greentext
People are bad at SIFU.

If Nioh is a soulslike, why isn't the gameplay simplistic and dull?

>>713776392
My nigga you are, in your very own post, talking about "strong" execution barriers, meaning you yourself believe there are degrees to what an execution barrier can be.

It's not a matter of WWs or DO being impossibly hard to do (for me or other people). It's a matter of what they actually add to the game. How does the player's input relate to the output of the game? Does doing action X have an effect on the enemy or not? How many button presses do you need to change an enemy's state? How frequently does a game require you to do a given action, and therefore make choices over using muscle memory and playing as routine? And so on.

There is such a thing as elegance in design, and it's based on not putting more in something than it's required for it to work. Bayonetta fails at such elegance on just about every aspect of its design, with the gameplay being no exception.

>>713776606
Yes, since the input is secretly not a full 360 but instead a 225
In numpad notation:
412369P

>>713776806
This has to be a joke post

>Bayonetta is the worst action game
>Sekiro is parryslop
>NG is shovelware
>Nioh is soulslike
Looks like DMC chads win by default

>>713776806
>you are, in your very own post, talking about "strong" execution barriers, meaning you yourself believe there are degrees to what an execution barrier can be.
Of course there are. I don't think you know what an execution barrier is.

Having to do something to trigger a mechanic is not an execution barrier. That's not what execution is.

>>713776874
"You can't discuss ice with a summer insect."

>>713776954
>Having to do something to trigger a mechanic is not an execution barrier. That's not what execution is.
The fuck do you think execution is then?

>>713776939
the last good DMC game was 3 though

Ninja Gaiden Black is the pinnacle of this genre and I am tired of pretending its not just so that some fags fee fees aren't hurt

>>713776939
Nier Automata destroys DMC because no moves are hidden behind meme gauges.

>>713776979
Why is this a webm?

>>713777104
5 mogs

>>713776597
>Do you have intended cancel in Souls?
No, but that's not relevant to anything here. Cancels or not, the fundamentals are the same.
>Prove it retard.
I don't have to. You could just try playing the games.
>>713776597
>Post screenshots of souls fans buying Ronin over Dragon's Dogma 2.
I couldn't post screenshots of anyone buying Ronin period given how that game flopped, but that's not even the game we're talking about here. We're talking about Nioh, not Ronin.

sekiro parry sucks, there's no punishment for mistiming it, you just get a shitty parry instead of getting your shit kicked like in ronin

>>713777074
Anon
Jesus christ
Execution is the physical act of using the controls. A move that requires pressing one button has low/easy execution. A move requiring a pretzel input has high/difficult execution.
Use fucking google.

Why do people claim Ninja Gaiden 2 is the pinnacle of action game genre if examples of peak gameplay that gets posted here is mashing invulnerability moves until you run out of enemies?

>>713777345
You could not be more wrong about everything you said. But we already knew that because you literally have no argument.

>>713777272
dmc 5 is flanderized dmc 3

>>713777558
I was gone for a few minutes and shit went sideways. What happened lol?

>>713777345
>the fundamentals are the same
How can fromtards embarrass themselves like this? Do they secretly performing humiliation ritual by shitposting?

>>713777607
post your full SS ranks

>>713777556
you should try playing it

>>713777345
the fundamentals of souls combat is committed attacks with end lag and stamina restrictions, both things Nioh flouts
cope

>>713777725
I uninstalled after my normal playthrough because the "hard" one was just as boring, completely missed the point of dmc thinking it was about epic 5 minute long combos, literally like scrubs think about fighting games, the same goes for you I guess

>>713777415
Brother, you are contradicting yourself again. You came swinging about 1-frame links and now you're trying to say pressing buttons in a sequence isn't execution and it requires complex motions because... well, because it doesn't serve your position.

By your definition of execution rhythm games at their absolute hardest have easy execution, which is ludicrous.

Stop overcomplicating a simple word because you can't find actual arguments to what I'm saying. You didn't even try to address what I said about the game's magic economy and their relation to WWs. We're just arguing semantics.

>>713761270 (OP)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/767930/Assault_Spy/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1232460/Onee_Chanbara_ORIGIN/

Also wishlist

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3077640/MIGHTREYA/

It will be worth looking into when it releases. Same person behind Assault Spy.

>>713777556
NGB is a 200 IQ game. many are filtered and turn to NG2 instead

>>713777886
I mean your DMC3 DMD SS ranks dumbass, the ones you don't have you poser

>>713777556
Press Y to AWESOME!

>>713777796
Fromsoft stole that from MH btw.

>>713778016
yeah, I don't have those either, but it was 100 times more fun to play through than that slop

>>713778009
This.

>>713778164
lol
lmao even

>>713773624
It's just not as bad as you say. I'm not going to say it's great and doesn't need improvement but it doesn't break the game they way you act like it does. Saying 'the hardest enemy in NG is camera' is the same as when soulsonlys say that about their own game. It has problems but you can play the game proficiently with it. Nobody who's beaten MN ever cries about it, there are way more bullshit things that will end your run.

>>713778220
no arguments, thanks

>>713777558
Saying I'm wrong without explaining why isn't an argument either. Having cancels or not doesn't change how the combat is fundamentally designed around 1v1 fights.

>>713761270 (OP)
I've always loved all these games but always hated every single one of you unloved faggots. Go to Hell for all I care, I'm sure God hates you.

>>713778161
and made it 100 times simpler

>>713778529
Why did you ignore this?>>713777796

>>713778719
>100 times
Understatement. MH doesn't let you rollslop.

>>713776979
You'll stream your Bayonetta gameplay for us proving how shit it is right?
Of course you won't, you'll cope with "I don't play that shit" etc etc

>>713778740
Because I've already explained what the fundamentals I'm talking about earlier, and trying to mention something just to try and spin it so Nioh doesn't share nearly every single fundamental with soulslikes is the kind of behaviour I'm not willing to waste my time on. Going through all this nonsense just so you can pretend a game you like isn’t something you’d otherwise consider bad otherwise is just sad.

>start watching motks ghosts n goblins review
>he says playstyles can get samey if there's too many good options
>uses a fucking modded version of dmc 3 as his argument
This is your god?

>think I figured out how to play NG after NGB
>Get raped to death in NGII

>>713779324
What does MotKS stand for?

>>713779207
>Nioh with movement cancel and resource gain is totally the same as the game that pins you down on every button you press
>It is because... it just is
Shut the fuck up and get lost. I hate you fromtards not because you like different games but because you are all so ignorant and arrogant. I have never said anything bad about souls games.

>>713779520
Mork I think

>>713779324
>modded version
Was the clip from mission 1?

>>713779473
what difficulty? in ng2

>Nigger plays wanted Dead
>Mork jumps in his chat to shill Devil's turd

>>713779928
Never happened.

W-who the fuck buys this shit?

>>713779473
Guillotine throw. Simple as.

>>713780048
https://youtu.be/oZ_UsuuPXdk?t=991

Wait, the smoking gun the Itagakifag has against Bayonetta is "u can't heckin melee!!!1111"
Holy shit lol

I'm fucking done with Bayonetta
I was going through angel slayer and the shit enemy design and repetitive gameplay just got too much
Enemies that can teleport and become immune, spawn more in, fire fireballs point blank etc etc means the game is more tedious than fun

>>713780780
Shout out to Emery the true DoA vet.

>>713777737
I will certainly do, after I finish my Ninja Gaiden 1 playthrough. Maybe I will also try to conjure Hurricane Packs for NG1 on emulator, I've heard it adds a few new weapons and epic just guard mechanic to the game.

>>713772823
>theb
good morning saar

>>713781204
>'b' being next to 'n' on your keyboard makes you indian
trying WAY to hard

>>713781275
>to
kek

>>713781275
>>713772823
Ouch. You need to start up your duolingo sub again bro

>>713781004
I don't remember anything about weapons, sigma does that, but the intercept thing is real and the timing is very generous

>>713781275
Good morning saaar please do not redeem

>>713769549
Am I missing something from this? I like the concept a lot but the combat felt incredibly boring and lacking. I feel like a game like this, for it to truly work, it needs more control over the tempo of your attacks if your goal is to line up your attacks to the beat of the music.

>>713765443
Pretty good, worst case scenario it'll still be another nice violent action game. And if it's absolute garbage, I still have enough to do in the first three games.

>uh actually this piece of shit game is super hardcore and brilliant
>it's just that no one except me sees its brilliance
Mork is a joke

>>713780780
Bro got filtered by the tank controls

>>713782763
Imagine crashing out over not understanding how to move your character

>>713756316
I'll take this to heart, since I rarely venture out of my comfort zone outside select point, and not just in games.

I think a lot of the negativity surrounding the final boss is that people get absolutely assfucked if they haven't learned enough about how the game works (like I did lol), which is what you often see in these threads. If they'd just pushed through and steeled themselves, they would've been rewarded with one of the best action games of all time. I wasn't very creative in my solutions, but I love these games so much I'm prepared to beat my head against the wall relentlessly to progress. There's still so much to learn, I still don't have a grasp on the more difficult bosses, especially things like Fiend Genshin and Elizebet from II. Right now I'm trying to beat all the ninja trials (as this was advised as a stepping stone to beat the ToVs), some look absolutely impossible, so I can't wait to get my ass kicked and find a way so I can beat them.

Holy shit, I'm going to try that OT into SoB tactic today. That sounds like the key to making that fight even more enjoyable than it already is.

Would love it if you tried the no healthbar upgrade run, it's really fun! The anon that posts the itagaki videos here did one too, and it was fun to read that he had a almost identical experience with the gauntlet leading up to Regent/Canna.
I forgot to ask him if he did the ToVs, but I'm guessing he did. I didn't because I haven't beaten any of the ToVs in this game, which is next on the list after I get a better grip on the bosses.

As always, appreciate the advice.

>>713783353
holy samefag lol
NG3 is trash and so are you. nobody is believing you are not samefagging

i literally cannot think of a final boss in any action game that is worse than NG3's
what a dogshit game holy shit
just that alone gives me confidence that 4 is going to be better than it

I was taken aback by how good NG3RE is when I first played it. So much shit talking about a game that's still really solid. And even within my own mind about the game my opinions changed after sitting with it. I hated that there were no items but then I started to really get the balance around the costs and benefits of killing with a UT an OT, waiting up to do SoB, using Ninpo, etc. It also feels really slick and smooth. It's its own game with different rules than NGB and NG2 and I grew to like it even though I despised it for the first few chapters

>>713783591
The entire series is garbage, only posers hold it up as some misunderstood masterpiece

>>713783708
Name a single good NG boss, they've all been trash. You have to either cheese them or put up with instant attacks with no wind up or tell

Every non-humanoid boss in NG is terrible. If anything 3RE has less offensive bosses than NG2

>>713783726
I think people shit talk about NG3, not NG3RE.

>>713783816
fiend murai and archfiend look like masterpieces when compared to NG3's final boss

>>713781812
After poking around on the internet, it seems like HP1 added lunar staff, but also made all the items pricier and deleted half of the healing items from the game and/or replaced them with life booster beads. HP2 also, allegedly, deleted ammo counter.

>>713783854
>If anything 3RE has less offensive bosses than NG2
bro you've never been more wrong in your LIFE

>>713779324
Mork is genuinely really, really bad at argumentation, I don't understand why he's cited in threads here as often as he is
There was some other thread a few days ago where someone linked one of his videos with a pre-emptive defence like "he's probably not accessible enough for you" so I assume the fact that he occasionally comes up with his own game design terminology gives some people the impression that he thinks more deeply about this stuff than he really does

>>713785397
what did he mean by this?

>>713785572
>I don't understand why he's cited in threads here as often as he is
Cause retards like (You) keep bringing him up and obsessing over him in every action vidya thread.

>>713785576
I know it's hard for 0 skill dimwits like you to understand but NG2 is the greatest action game ever made and it doesn't just deserve respect, it demands it

>>713785906
This kind of post about a clearly shitty game with this weird faux macho bullshit is why no one takes NGfags seriously
Not to mention they don't play, I've been asking forever for them to stream while a threads up and they NEVER EVER do, just repost the same shit over and over

>>713785906
>>713786040
samefag

>>713786040
Understanding genius is a rare thing, sorry you don't have it

>>713786079
>guy posting about ng2 being great is samefagging as the opposite opinion
Anon

>>713786109
Whens the stream?

>>713786134
>implying
This board desperately needs country flags.