What is it about JRPGs that makes them so masterful in comparison to WRPGs?

CRPGs > both JRPGs and WRPGs

>>713765310
CRPG Thief
>Completely replaced by a Wizard at all levels, 100% waste of a party slot. The one in your example even is a Wizard, making him worse in all ways
JRPG Thief
>Never replaced, has his own niche and fills his own role
>May even be utterly broken if it's a Speed based game like Stellar Glow

CRPG Summoner
>Summons trash mobs to eat enemy attacks
>Summoned monster abilities are useless at all levels, they exist only to soak damage for you
>Summoned items are even worse than useless
JRPG Summoner
>Summons are varied and useful at all levels
>Can fulfil multiple tasks, even just soaking damage if needed

Damn, that was hard

>>713766390
Sounds like you need to play a better CRPG

wrpgs have too many sacred cows and wrpg fans don't judge games by how fun they are, but by how close they are to some theoretical wrpg ideal that only exists in their heads.

All rpgs are gay because videogames are a bad format for pure player expression and choice. You should be sitting down at a table with a bunch of fat nerds.

Much of the defense made for wrpgs in particular is "it has more choice!" and you're still restricted to only decisions thought of and permitted by the writers anyway. You eventually get "but thou must!"' too. You're dwarves arguing over who's shorter.

>>713769683
WRPGs are just taller

>>713769683
jrpgs are a better genre because they already gave up on trying to be single player dungeons and dragons.

>>713764836 (OP)
All I am going to say is Mass Effect should have been way fucking better than what we ended up getting. All that promise with ME1 only for them to continuously fumble on the amazing setting they had built until it became a completely shitty setting with nothing seemingly working as it should have. I hate the wasted potential that is that series so much.

Don't care about your little versus bait here. Both genres are good when done right.

>>713772261
ME1 was a bad shooter and 90% of the choices were just good cop or bad cop but you still do basically the same thing.

dogshit thread
no one is interested in JRPGs these days

>>713772530
I never said ME1 was perfect. It did have a lot of promise for a potentially amazing series though that could have been giving us tons of games. Instead they eventually shitted all over it so badly that only now are they finally making a new game after all these years of the IP being dormant. Even with the last game that did come out it was a desperate attempt to soft reboot the series after they fucked it all up by the third game.

So I continue to stand by my point. Not sure what your intention here with this post was at all.

>>713773260
I just dislike when people get all "woah it could've been so good, so much potential!" when it was a middling space shooter or space driving simulator and then much of dialogue was just
>yes but principled
>yes but bland
>yes but reckless
And then the other games were the exact shit but with worse writing.

>>713774375
I still enjoyed ME1 for what it was. I can't really go back to it today though since i know what the series ultimately did with all of the setup with ME1. Yeah its true it wasn't an amazing shooter but it wasn't supposed to be Gears of War either which it certainly became with ME2 and especially ME3. The good cop bad cop decisions were fine to me actually. Its only really how poor their writing was that made this concept not so great. The way the overall narrrative was it makes sense Shepard would conduct his actions in such a way. Although they should have made Paragon and Renegade a lot more flexible and not work exactly like some sort of light/dark or good/evil type of morality system like how most games handle it. Again though this really goes to show how poor the series was handled and how Bioware was never as amazing of a developer as people made them out to be.

The mako is yet a whole other issue. Yeah it was jank in ME1. I still enjoyed it for what it was. I still liked the idea (the idea anon) behind the exploration of mostly desolate planets. Yet again though I was only left in extreme disappointment of how exactly they decide to handle this with later games.

So really they wanted to take this franchise, turn it into even more of a GOW corridor shooter experience then even GOW itself (which greatly expanded on its own level design and even colors with later games) and then they seemed to chase after a hollywood blockbuster type of vibe for the games overall story and presentation rather than expand properly on their own world and lore they built in a way more logical for a video game. All of this crap truly killed the franchise and any supposed fan thinking it didn't is just delusional.

>tldr
In short I liked the nerdy sci-fi vibes the first was seemingly aiming for. Very quickly with even the second game itself its quite obvious the direction EA and probably even most at Bioware themselves actually wanted to take the series in.

rpgs are a godsend.
>amazing beastiary from dnd
>tonfa and other weapons
>NO sitting with fat nerds
All the goodstuff and not the bad. goddamn.

JRPG protag template
>he is a most super special boy evah so unique and rainbow angel god demonborn
JRPG protag gameplay
>fight with your friends and defeat big bad on a railroaded journey
WRPG protag template
Tough McShooty Guy
>WRPG protag gamepay
Decide for yourself who your friends are, alter and hijack major plot threads across multiple games, get tons of callbacks and unique content for previous choices, have gay sex with the big bad.

YWNBJ

>>713777454
Well, we're at least in agreement that wrpgs are gay.

>>713772261
ME2 was the pinnacle of the series, though.

>>713764836 (OP)
this has gotta be the most biased comparison post i've ever seen. like ok you're a weeb, but at least put some effort into shitting on the western gaming industry.