>''NOOOOO!!! Every publisher must support all the online-only games even long after there isn't anyone left playing them!!''
I watched the whole drama and pirate software is right, if #stopkillinggames wants to be taken seriously they should demand specifics instead of saying ''Nuh uh, you should support this game for forever and keep the servers alive!''. Stopkillinggames should demand:
>Custom server tools once an online game's servers has been sunset by publishers
>Removal of online DRM from singleplayer games the moment devs are going to sunset the servers
Otherwise their demands won't be taken seriously.

Go away

>>713770774 (OP)
I agree completely. What would even be the punishment if they didn't?

Thanks for letting us know about your opinion on the eceleb drama, reddit is that way.
Gamergate toddlers are the worst thing to happen to this website.

READ NIGGA READ

>it's another skg thread filled with the same arguments and bait

>>>/pol/

>>713770936
anal rape

>>713770997
Shall not. Total game death, though.

>>713770774 (OP)
kill yourself you furry faggot.

>>713770774 (OP)
There is not even games that are dying this way so its a made up problem

>ughhh i need to argue with strangers online about something i dont really believe haha
What is it about this fucking site in particular? Are (You)s really that addictive?

>>713771190
>>713771060
>>713771006
>>713770856
>>713770979
Video games niggers. Video games! This is more video games related than 99% of the threads on this board. Go back to >>/h/ if you want to jerk off.

>>713771292
based post these horny nerds need to go to porn hub if they are so desperate for fap material

>>713771292
No, this is underage eceleb cancer.

>>713770774 (OP)
Players don't want their games to become unplayable
Devs don't want their work to disappear forever
It's only fat kikes and retards who want games with expiration date

>>713770774 (OP)
no one asked thor

>>713770774 (OP)
It's not up to the initiative to make demands. Their job is to convince the EU there's a problem and it's up to the EU to make demands

>>713770774 (OP)
there is just nothing worth saving
its not culture, its shitty mass product, its like soap or shitty rap

I wasn't going to sign the petition but then a handful of obnoxious dishonest spammers kept making identical threads about it. Now I actively hope your gay movement fails.

Only reason why thor is cock sucking for live service games is becuase he is a lead dev for one rivals of ather 2

>>713771597
no need to be petty anon

>>713771646
He's not on the dev team, he co-owns the publisher and even then, the devs replied to a thread on steam saying they disagree with Jason.

>>713771597
>I wasn't going to sign but now I'm going to continue not signing
Ok?

>>713771646
He is a video game dev. He knows how industry works. You can't expect every single publisher to keep servers of 20 year old MMOs with 10 people alive. Releasing server tools is far more easier though. So even if devs are going to sunset a game's servers fans can pick up those server tools and make their own servers.

>>713771597
Based. kill all the shitty gaas/always online schlock, it should be buried and forgotten forever

>>713771835
READ NIGGA READ
>>713770997

>>713771835
>nepo hire
>did only QA at Blizzard
>kickstarter game that's been abandoned
>dev
lol
lmao

>>713771835
when people say he's a developer feels like an insult to real game devs as the only skill he has in entry level

>>713770774 (OP)
Keep Killing (You)rself.

It has been clarified thousands upon thousands of times that publishers keeping servers online forever is neither a demand of SKG nor a requirement for what SKG wants to accomplish.
OP is merely pretending not to understand this, so there is no point in engaging with him.

>>713771976
a thor ass eater has arrived. you have a little brown on your face

>>713770774 (OP)
OP is retarded as usual and doesn't understand what Stop Killing Games want.
Same goes for Pirate Software as he seems retarded.

All the initiative is asking for is that when the game devs don't want to support the online portion of the game anymore they make it so it's playable offline.

I really don't know how retards are thinking that the devs should suport it indefinately. Actual mental retardation.

>>713772195
they think that entirely due to pirate software lying by omission it's entirely pirate shartwarts faulte

>>713772195
The pirate software guy is a snake, but OP is just trolling. The opening post is basically:
>SKG should stop demanding this thing they never demanded, and should instead demand this other thing they actually did suggest as a solution
He absolutely knows what SKG is really about, and is shitposting shamelessly.

>>713770774 (OP)
Based
#Total vidya death!!

>>713771835
he doesnt even program his own game how the fuck is he a dev

>>713772195
all alwaysonline abortions should die and be forever forgotten, just like maladaptive mutations don't survive and die off as nature intended

>>713771145
>Shall not
I meant "cannot" because I'm illiterate. My bad.

>>713770774 (OP)
>''NOOOOO!!! Every publisher must support all the online-only games even long after there isn't anyone left playing them!!''

Was never said, never the idea.

It's either keep them in a playable state offline or give players the tools to keep them in a playable state on their own.

>>713770997
Man, Duelyst was so fun, it was great to be able to go back and play again years after EoS. Wish the original devs hadn't sold out though, probably the least jewish card game there was until they handed it to scamco

>>713772894
what do you mean by "playable state"?

>adult in the room talks sense to internet fantasy land bullshit
>autistic nerd manchildren still crying about it a year later
>no new developments on his part, they literally just failed on their merits and are looking back in time for someone to blame

>>713773245
You really don't belong on this board if you don't know what playable state means

>>713773245
You bought the game, you can play the game.

It's not a rental, it's not a one off timed event, you paid for it and it needs to at least work.

>>713773490
>adult
>his arms are as thick as a child's
Lol. Lmao

>ESL can't listen to a video
moist critikal boosted the initiative just in time, misinformation lost.

>>713773490
why do you rape the ferret banana man?

>>713773632
based based based

>>713773490
Okay but here's what actually happened

>furry faggot (Maldavius Figtree) shits on stop killing games
>he says movement is all about single-player games or always-online DRM
>movement is about all games, not just single-player
wants to stop publishers from killing games you bought, online or not
>viral furry disinfo post confuses everyone
>momentum for signatures in EU gets fucked by furry retard lying
>movement not about turning multiplayer into single-player
>not even about retroactive fixes
j>ust wants legal protection for games you own
>Ross mad because Maldavius derails campaign with lies
>gamers now confused as hell
>tfw misinformation spreads faster than facts
>consumer rights are worsened because retarded furry lacks basic comprehension skills
>Maldavius proceeds to fantasize about his ferrets sexually while griefing his guildies in wow

>>713773632
the names from Americans will be deleted

>>713771835
Go back to sucking weasel cocks Maldy.

>>713774370
You need government ID proving you live in EU to put your name down retard.

>>713770774 (OP)
>Keep killing games from 2015-2030
>Industry is instantly saved
>We go back to Gameplay, Mechanics, Stylized graphics.
If only, if only.

>>713772894
the word nigger is so funny, i read this out loud every tiem it's posted, everyone else in the cafe gets a laugh out of it

ECKS DEE nice try, shillsoftware

>>713773490
He talks like an edgy 14 year old that tries to sound smart

>>713770774 (OP)
Instead of expecting devs to keep a game alive forever, wouldn't it be more reasonable to just ask them to release the source code so the gaming community can maintain the games they like?

Horrible time to be asking for this. Jews hyperfocusing on GaaS bullshit is the easiest way to make them lose money and I want them to die as soon as possible so we can finally rebuild.

>>713776748
The point of SKG is exactly for something like that, only retards and bad actors are pretending otherwise.

>>713771840
pirate himself said all that shit won't even be made anymore if this passes, anon

>>713771835

>>713777241
indies will, triple aaa has been slop for a long time.

>>713776748
>companies would ever do that unless forced.

>>713776748
>>713777237
Well that is retarded. They will never give you the source code since they reuse code between their different games and 90% of their shit is the same back-end reskinned for each game.
You'd have a better shot at just getting the server-side software binaries so you could host yourself.

>>713770774 (OP)
Can we stop calling him Thor btw. I don't want to associate the norse god with this dyel faggot

>>713773490
Genuinely a punchable individual

>>713777241
>the most profitable monetization
>won't be made anymore
yeah that guy is a clown

>>713776748
>>713777237
>>713777241
>>713777680
do they pay you hourly or per post

>>713770774 (OP)
>extremely reasonable and morally correct stance
Wait, that wasn't already what they were demanding? What a bunch of...
>>713770997
Oh, wait, OP is just a faggot

Nepobaby and his simps still trying to astroturf with absolutely retarded misunderstanding of a simple consumer rights advocate. Pathetic

>>713770774 (OP)
you are a brainless stupid motherfucker who doesnt even know what this is about, devs provideing a offline modus means they dont have to support it after that, a offline modus is all that was asked you brainfucked moron

>>713770997
explain how this isnt forcing a company to host servers to distribute files forever
how the fuck do people think files are transferred? for free?

>>713778470
>you dont have to support it!
>you just have to put it on a server and forever allow people to download it!

>>713778509
Bundle it into a last update to the user. There are dedicated server tools for games by companies that no longer exist!

>>713778572
See >>713778572
Let the people who have the game downloaded figure it out from there.

>>713770774 (OP)
Billy Mitchell won, Karl Jobst lost.
Nintendo won, Palworld lost.
Stop Killing Games will WIN - it's SIMPLY not up for debate once the LAW speaks!

>>713777968
dumb schizo

>>713770774 (OP)
from what I recall in the first video from that mulleted nerd, those already were the demands

whenever i see threads like these I'm always reminded that a percentage of the population fantasizes about being raped. having a company remove access to a game you paid for with no recourse fulfills their fantasy, no doubt. I just can't understand why they would expose how much of a raging emasculated faggot they are.

>>713770774 (OP)
At least post a link to the initiative https://keepkillinggames.com/

tell me why publishers can't release offline modes for their games once they don't want to host servers anymore

>>713780527
They are going to make a new The Crew next year. Trust the plan

>>713779281
>Billy Mitchell
Everytime i see him on /v/ people root for him. Why is that?

>>713770774 (OP)
The average person is too stupid to understand this, it needs to be a simple tagline.
In any case, the ideal demand would be a complete dismantling and restructuring of IP law in a way that would disadvantage law firms and large holding companies, and no politician (either a lawyer or in the pocket of a holding company) is going to OK that.
The ability to publicly advertise and host cracks, downloads and 3rd party software for abandonware without any possibility of litigation would never fly.

>>713770774 (OP)
I had to go to twitter to figure out why the fuck he's all over youtube. Because every fucking video I clicked on just rehashed EVERYTHING that they hate on him for, and nobody was like "hey, here's what just happened...". I went to his fucking twitter, and lo and behold, it's all well thought out and not at all unreasonable.

This kind of reaction to Pirate is honestly making me wonder if all of the hate behind him is being sponsored by Blizzard. If it was justifiable or reasonable, then people would be leading with that as the newest development in their videos.

>>713778509
Just put it on rapidshare and Megaupload and the internet will take care of the rest after waiting for 30 seconds

>>713780990
Either because Billy is here or because Karl Jobst was a retard for losing. Maybe both.

>>713780527
The same reason you can't just stop buying their fucking shovelware.

The signatures keep trending in a good direction. yesterday we reached a new high with 48,998 signatures. The day before, it was +48,500 something. If one more big youtuber make video i think it will actually succeed.

>>713782637
We need to get an Italian sloptuber in on this, they gotta pump their numbers up.

>>713770774 (OP)
Why do you fags do this?
How is it so hard to understand that you should let gamers make their own server
Fucking Phantasy Star online can still be played due to fan servers

>>713782723
They're retarded.
Shrimple as.

idont think this should apply to subscription games though, realistically you are paying for playtime the outcome is expected that you will lose access and will no longer be billed.
but anything else i mean boo hoo nigger developer if you want that live service slop money either come up with an end of life plan at inception or dont make anything at all. idk how anyone can think otherwise

>>713782926
It would need to be stated that you are renting for a time. and no purchase of the game itself. The renting part is worse for marketing i think even though it is understood by everyone that MMORPGs may have an end. Then again i think almost every single one of the popular ones has an emulator.

I can't believe that all these months later, there are STILL retards who have no idea what the movement is about, never bothered to read the FAQ, but still want to argue.

>>713782926
Actually, what if you buy an item in a game? should you own it? I think there is argument to be have that even if the game support end and servers are turn off you should have acess to something.

>>713770774 (OP)
i dont think anyone is demanding devs/publishers support the games after they sunset them

just stop fucking suing people that try to revive them with reverse engineered backends and distribute the binaries because you REFUSE to distribute the game yourselves you fucking lizard king psychopaths

HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND

HOW FUCKING DUMB ARE THESE PEOPLE

>>713783302
actually thats a good point i never really considered micro transactions into the equation. i dont know a good solution, in the perfect world microtransactions wouldnt exist. i guess they should be obligated to provide an offline experience but thats still weird in my opinion.

if you pay monthly to go bowling and you buy fancy bowling shoes and a fancy bowling ball, then the bowling alley shuts down you cant just keep the pins at home. IDK

>>713783289
Because they are retards who think they know everything about it despite only having vaguely hearing/reading what it was about and then make up scenarios that sound unreasonable but are either very much possible, specifically rejected or never asked for in the petition.
They also fail to realize that this is just a preliminary document that is just there to get the european parliament to talk about it, not a readymade law that is meant to be carved in stone and enshrined as is.

>>713770774 (OP)
Total video game death

>>713770774 (OP)
i love how much the public discussion is controlled by people with big viewercounts - as long as you claim something that sounds pretty obvious and would be totally easy to check, then it must be true, so there's no need to verify anything yourself? I mean, why would they constantly lie about there not being specific demands? >>713770997

niggers

>>713783683
Imagine how much better the world would be without videogames

>>713783562
Well, yeah. But in this case i do not feel sorry one bit for companies; microtransactions are predatory. If this would lead to a reduction of them, it would be a massive win for consumers. Realistically, what would happen would be some legal bullshit. But i think some core of the game would still need to remain even if you turn the servers off for the people who did spend money. It basically boils down to this. Do you own something if you spend money on it? Or you will own nothing. and everyone will rent everything and be forever poor. Eu is definitely not healthy and not trending in a good direction but if i should applaud one thing, it would be that the EU bureaucrats like to spank corporations asses and in most cases it is a win for consumers.

>>713782723
>How is it so hard to understand that you should let gamers make their own server
It's not about letting people make their own server, it's about not giving developers a fucking safety net for their anti-consumer practices.

>>713770774 (OP)
at this point I'm not really sure if you guys want to just bait people or is it some elaborate way to make people sign in up by making them mad

>>713783289
What did you expect? It's called stop killing games so people support it on that alone. Not to mention you have Indian shills poisoning the well by saying shit that no one said like "it's about keeping the servers on forever" fucking no. The whole reason people are against it is because it's a half measure that doesn't even call for the banning of DRM OUTRIGHT.

the boost is over isn't it

All commies will fucking hang.

>>713783302
>>713783562
Simply put, yes. Microtransactions are licenses for digital goods, same as most software and games. Under SKG's principles, if you buy a faggy gold skin for your AWP or whatever the fuck, it should yours to keep indefinitely.

>>713784234
The banning of DRM isn't even a battle that can be reasonably fought. SKG's entire thing is claiming that companies are already violating existing law by defrauding customers of their purchases. As much as DRM sucks, it does, broadly, exist in compliance with existing law. To fix that would literally require lobbying parliamentary bodies, rather than petitioning regulatory agencies.

>>713784276
>licenses
i really wished people would stop using this autism.
publishers hold the license to distribute. what does that mean. they don't own the product either?
i guess in a way they don't with IP ownership evaporating with 80 years

yes, you do not own the code but you do own the good that is a result of that. any exclusion that happens by a company is from its online services.
yes, we need laws around store platforms like Steam to not be able to exclude your access from downloading your purchased goods by exclusion for violating one of their store policies

digital goods is still a very emerging market

>>713784439
>The banning of DRM isn't even a battle that can be reasonably fought
NTA but given there's a wealth of examples of DRM impacting consumers more than pirates, for more than one reason from games being disabled to performance issues while also often promoting piracy as a means of accessing said material, there's an easier case to be made for the banning of always online DRM than there is for the complete overhaul of ownership regarding proprietary tools like server tools

>piratranny

>>713774274
he is an employee of some "influencer" company that manages youtubers and streamers, they probably told all the influencers not to get involved with the thing and to talk against it when questioned.

These companies sponsor streamers and try and affect culture through them, its a racket.

>>713771646
The actual lead dev for RoA2, Dan Fornace, explicitly said he agrees with Stop Killing Games and that, even though he's still actively supporting RoA1 ten years later, he also has a team developing a tool to make online play possible even if the official servers for RoA1 shut down. He's literally putting money where his mouth is and doing the thing SKG wants

>>713774274
>j>ust wants legal protection for games you own
No? It's literally not about any form of protection, have you actually read the FAQ?

>>713770774 (OP)
Fuck off you furry Nepo baby

>>713770774 (OP)
Live Service games shouldn't be advertised as products to begin with. If they don't want to support the game forever, then they need to do the bare minimum to enable people to run servers themselves after shutdown or charge access to the game as a subscription service so people know what they're getting into.

You're right though, Ross isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and doesn't know that he needs to set forward concrete solutions if he wants to gain traction.

Why is videogames the only field where people go "it should be serviced forever"? I don't see anyone bitching if Ford doesn't tune up a ww2 era Jeep. Or to use the dreaded food analogy, I don't see people suing McDonalds after eating and shitting out their big mac.

>>713787563
>Ford
The service is them working on the car, not the car itself, a more apt analogy would be the card disintegrated one day not due to natural wear and tear but instead Ford made a kill switch that they hit.
>Food analogy
A consumable good, not even a service. Vidya is not a consumable good.

>>713787654
>The service is them working on the car, not the car itself
Yes, hence why I said no one pitches a fit if they don't tune up a ww2 era Jeep.

>>713787707
Then stop selling me the game like you would sell a good, nigger.

>>713787707
Moreover
>Vidya is not a consumable good.
Is demonstrably false otherwise you retards wouldn't be calling the people who just buy games regardless of the pricetags or quality or whatever scandal the developer is embroiled in as mindless consoomers. You'd use some other better fitting term.

>>713787563
It's mostly gen Z kids who lack the enginuity to do things themselves and also don't want to take responsibility for their actions and lack of foresight.
Notice how this entire campaign was started because of one game everyone knew had aggressive DRM before launch and flopped because of it. Normally the response would be to learn from your mistake and not buy games like that, something that has worked time and time again throughout history with it happening right now with those game key cards on switch 2, but instead of doing that these people essentially want to reward the developers fucking them over so they can blindly make purchases "safely".

>>713787875
What I notice is none of these retards are demanding to have an offline playable version of Concord, even though that would be something well within the jurisdiction of things they're demanding.
I can't for the life of me imagine why.

>>713787563
Because this shit lasts for decades, usually you'd run a car into the ground well before they stop making parts for it. The difference is scale. Live service games last anywhere between a month to the same lifespan as a car, you see complaints the closer it gets to the former.

>>713787973
That's the hypocrisy of game "preservation" for you.

Still waiting for a playable offline version of DarkSpore BTW. . .
I mean it worked for BattleForge somehow despite it originally having virtual TCG proto-lootbox garbage up the ass, so there is still some hope left.

>>713778509
Nowhere is written that they can't delist the game, as long as they then allow the people to reupload and redistribute it at their expenses (and without reselling or otherwise make a profit off it).

>>713787973
>>713788139
Oh fuck off, nobody cared about Concord, why waste energy demanding something you don't really want.
And if the initative is successful, then I don't think anyone would protest if Sony released an offline version of Concord, they just wouldn't particularly care.
And anyway people did care when it was deleted from their console, because even if they didn't cared about the game it still set a dangerous precedent.

>>713788875
>because even if they didn't cared about the game it still set a dangerous precedent
What precedent? Games getting delisted? That's a thing gacha games have been doing for years now. As far as "setting a dangerous precedent" goes, that ship has long sailed away.
Are we going to go ahead and move the goalpost now by saying gacha games aren't videogames, even though this movement is using a gacha game (Megaman X Dive), as one of its examples for "video game preservation"?

>>713787973
Sony gave refunds to everyone who bought Concord.

>>713788875
>why waste energy demanding something you don't really want.
So why care about The Crew? It flopped, no one played it and it had DRM that ensured it would die.
>precedent
And there's that word that not a single one of you understand.

>>713789542
Oh so game preservation doesn't matter if you get your money back? I thought this campaign was called "Stop Killing Games" not "Stop Killing Games before you give us our money back then you can do it all you want".

>>713789214
>Goycha games do it so it's okay other games do too!
You are mtf, you are mtf (saaaaay WHAT?)
You are mtf, this-this nigga cuuu~uuut his diiiiiick off

>>713778509
Anon, if a company can't afford to host an extra couple GB or so, especially if they're a company like ubisoft running their own store, they don't fucking deserve to be in business at all.

>>713784038
This has nothing to do with DRM?

>>713790212
>campaign started because of a game with intrusive DRM that made it unusable
>"this has nothing to do with DRM!"

>>713783370
People who make the games still own them and part of owning something is the right to not do anything with it. You undermine IP rights by trying to make the argument of "it should belong to the people if the owner won't use it" because that's a can of worms with no bottom.

>>713790860
The idea that devs should be able to stop people from playing games they paid for undermines a lot more than the opposite scenario where the consumers get to decide a games lifespan.

>>713770774 (OP)
>''NOOOOO!!! Every publisher must support all the online-only games even long after there isn't anyone left playing them!!''
Lying faggot. 0% chance you dont know you're lying. Not even a shill probably, just a retarded contrarian or unironic underage ferret fucker.

>>713789748
>he says, as his movement is using gachaslop to defend itself
ywnbaw

>Every publisher must support all the online-only games even long after there isn't anyone left playing them
Yes.
Total publisher enslavement.
>b-but that's not what it's abou-
It should be.

>>713770774 (OP)
Imagine spreading misinfo for free. At least the shills get paid for it.

>>713791559
Not really, you bought a game with DRM that required a constant connection to play. In other words you got exactly what you paid for.

>>713770774 (OP)
Malding Fagtree
Messaged him on Twitter with 2k followers for engagement, calling him not a real developer, telling him to yiff in hell, to stop abusing ferrets zoophilic freak, that his games look like flash games made by a 12 year old on newgrounds in 2005. I also told him that I'll be spending my hard-earned money on talented developers like Toby Fox for the jugular. I blocked him so I could deny him his response (narcissists LOVE to get the last word so I wanted to make him powerless). Slept for about 12 hours to find myself blocked back. 100% worth every drop of lolcow milk dropped.

>>713791839
Of course he's lying, that's the only way support for this campaign took off.

>>713770774 (OP)
>you live long enough to see a generation of /v/ posters so retarded and irony poisoned they are actively rallying misinfo to make games worse for everyone, including themselves

>>713792189
"You paid for it so get fucked" is not an argument against consumer protection. This logic could also be applied to refunds.

>>713771292
This doesn't matter to anyonwe

>muh preservation
There's literally nothing worth preserving in the games being killed. Lost media existing is a non-issue.
>MUH COONSOOMER RIGHTS
SKG's only real goal is games preservation, the methods don't matter. If the devs decide that the way to preserve a functional version of the game is by charging players money, then it is absolutely acceptable under this movement's conditions.

>>713792768
I hope the CEO's see this post bro.

>>713792768
>headcanon
it'a about consumer rights
i am entitled to my purchases

>>713792374
people who willingly spend money on live service games don't deserve consumer protection.

>>713792374
>"You paid for it so get fucked" is not an argument against consumer protection
Except it is. It's not as if the game isn't functioning, in fact, it's functioning just as intended being a game that requires a constant connection to a server and you knew that from the very beginning.

>>713770997
4pbp OP BTFO

>>713792202
absolutely based my friend

Where was that article/document where feds discussed methods to make boards and forums less interesting through shitposting and demoralizing? It's really relevant in these threads.

>>713792968
So what's to stop devs from every game a live service game.
>>713793004
>Except it is
No it's not. You're just advertising your own indifference to the issue. It's not an argument against the implementation of consumer protection. It's not even a serious position. Nobody is petitioning the government to remove all consumer protections because "You get what you buy." It's a completely fake and gay argument.

>>713792941
Which is not what the movement is concerned about. You having access to your game is a consequence, not the goal, Stop Killing Games doesn't care in the slightest about how the game will be kept alive or if the devs will charge you to allow you to play the game again.

>>713793368
>So what's to stop devs from every game a live service game.
Stop Killing Games does nothing to prevent that either

>>713793368
>So what's to stop devs from every game a live service game
Their profits for starters.

>>713793495
you didn't watch the faq
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVBiN5SKuA
preservation is explicitly mentioned as not being the objective
you are just poisoning the well because you were paid to do so

So what's your final prediction?
Mine is a bit under 80%.

>>713793495
>>713793780
I like how you supporters are so fucking confused by it yet are still blindly supporting it.
This is why you ended up with a dead game.

>>713793967
thankfully, soon enough there won't be any more dead games ever again.

>>713793919
120%

>>713793724
Yeah no, if enough companies do it that way people will just accept it because at the end of the day they still want to play video games. Only a tiny tiny minority would care enough to boycott those games.

>games not even 6 months old, full price at launch and shut down and not working anymore
>WAAAH WAAAH THATS TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR WHY DO YOU WANT THE GAME TO BE ONLINE FOR A YEAR GUARANTEED FOR YOUR 70 DOLLARS?!?!?
>hitman devs literally rebranded their game to try to resell it and forced everyone to rebuy everything or else you lose all progress and access to previous versions you bought
>try to launch game now and it literally doesnt work
>unlisted from shop
>took all your money and said fuck you pay me again
>this is pro consumer environment
>we can delete your account and all your games if you say no no words like misgendering a tranny

>>713793495
Watch. The. Fucking. Video. This is a petition to START the conversation. It is not law and will not be considered law.
Getting into every detail and every nuance in the petition is not only a surefire way to get it ignored but it's also restricted by the character limit imposed.
>What if the dev release a client bundle that includes the server that increases performance requirements 10 fold
>What if the publisher requires every texture be removed from the game because of a licensing contract?
>What if they argue that subscription based games need to be excluded and every game requires a subscription from here on out?

There are lots of "what if" outcomes here that have to worked out during policy making to determine what is "reasonable" which is the stage after this (if it reaches the mandatory 1mil signatures)

>>713793368
>You're just advertising your own indifference to the issue.
Anon, the point he's trying to make is that you need to be responsible for your own actions and stop making random purchases without thinking. I mean, you're already at the point where you're demanding people to give up their property because you think they shouldn't handle it if they don't intend to use it.
On that note you can't just hand out server tools like that because they could compromise other games.

I'm glad I don't play shit games. Not my problem.

>>713794206
>if enough companies do it that way people will just accept it
Believe it or not there aren't enough people who would just accept that. That's why The Crew flopped in the first place.

>>713793967
https://youtu.be/sEVBiN5SKuA?&t=321

>>713793134
I'll always keep it real B-) Narcissists are my least favorite people but also the easiest victims.

To throw some shade at Ross, he shouldn't of waited 10 months to do a reaction video to the roach. I get his hands were tied up in other aspects of the movement and he didn't want to farm drama but look at the response now. All the youtube reaction slop content creators are flocking in droves to shit on piratesoftware.
I did find it pretty funny that Ross did comment on the WoW discourse when it happened, but never really rode it for the movements cause.

>>713794354
>This is a petition to START the conversation.
Exactly. It doesn't give a shit about the "how" and the "what ifs", the answer to these questions don't matter to the movement.

>>713794578
I think even he said he regrets it

>>713794635
It's not that they don't matter, retard. They've been discussed extensively in the video linked to you twice now.
Further, the conversation we have here about how this could happen means nothing without the other parties. We can speculate but it's all hypotheticals. We cannot tell the EU how we want this enforced, only accept our guidance.

>>713793780
Yeah, nah, what he says in his FAQ is literally irrelevant. The only expected outcome is the game to be preserved, therefore the goal is game preservation. The only thing being demanded is that the games get preserved, therefore it's not about consumer protection.

>>713794439
>Anon, the point he's trying to make is that you need to be responsible for your own actions
Which is not an argument against consumer protection and just an indifference to the issue. All he's saying with that is that he doesn't care, it brings nothing to the conversation because it's not a real argument.

>>713770997
it is impossible for /v/ to read this

>>713794864
headcanon

>>713794578
agreed but at least he finally did it. it's fucking sad that the only thing that gets a response from youtube slopper community these days is eceleb drama but whatever, as long as it works. he probably felt the same way.

>>713778509
hahahaha holy shit

>>713794817
You can link the video as many times as you want, whatever Ross has to say outside of the petition doesn't matter in the slightest. If the petition doesn't care, then it doesn't matter to the movement.

Friendly reminder that /v/ is against the initiative out of sheer contrarianism.

>>713790380
That’s not what this is about at all dumbass
It’s about being able to have a method to keep playing the game you paid for
So the game doesn’t just shut down with no way to play it
Like I said before, PSO is still playable online to this day

>>713795008
/v/ amazes me every fucking day with how retarded you zoomers are. There is a thing called Peer 2 Peer and it's completely fucking FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope you learned something today dumbfuck.

>>713795120
>>713778509
Meant that (You) for dumbfuck 509, sorry 120.

>>713770774 (OP)
You are a furry hahaha

>>713794864
>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.
I don't fucking get your point.
- The thing hurting consumers is that sold games aren't in a playable state
- The petition ask to remedy that
- Therefor the petition asks to help conusmers

What the fuck do you want? A big banner that leads you to the same conclusion anyone else at a 2nd grade reading level could deduce?

>>713795016
You disingenuous fucker. This is a meta conversation about what a petition can do. That's what was linked to you and why the petition was written the way it was and why it can't say "oh and also dont let companies like make me pay for it again after they release the binaries ok thanks"
There's a lot that goes into crafting that document and is explicitly left to start the conversation, not talk about specifics.

>>713795305
>The petition ask to remedy that
Yeah, and it doesn't care how, even if it means the customer still gets fucked over anyway.

>I watched the whole drama and pirate software is right

No you didn't and no he's not. Kill yourself, faggot.

>He's leaking DMs now

>>713795592
All that just to say that emotional investment just to say Stop Killing Games doesn't care in the slightest about how the game will be kept alive.

>>713795628
That's my main issue with this whole campaign. It relies entirely on the "goodwill" of the people taking games away. Because I mean, reading the changes they want to make it's obvious that it doesn't even act as a preventative measure for aggressive DRM or shutdowns. In fact, they can still do both if they just say it's a possibility before launch and that does absolutely nothing.

>>713795785
Which side is who?

>>713795785
What a fucking retarded.

>>713795628
Read. The. Fucking. Petition:
>We wish to invoke Article 17 §1 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union [EUR-Lex - 12012P/TXT - EN - EUR-Lex (europa.eu)] – “No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss.” – This practice deprives European citizens of their property by making it so that they lose access to their product an indeterminate/arbitrary amount of time after the point of sale. We wish to see this remedied, at the core of this Initiative.

>>713795930
Left is Cr1TiKaL and right is roach

ITT
>corporate semen slurping mutts trying to convince eurochads that devs can just take your bought game away for no reason

imagine being so assraped by corporates on a daily basis that you start to enjyo and defend these practices

>>713795919
>they can still do both if they just say it's a possibility before launch and that does absolutely nothing.

Elaborate how that can be true while this is also true:
>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.

>>713796040
Makes sense. Roachware is the one leaking right? Does this retard believe this is somehow helping him?

>>713796049
>eurochads
>implying you aren't corporate sluts giving us a bad name
If you had any balls at all you would have simply stopped buying their games like the rest of us. Instead you're supporting a campaign all about gushing them money "safely".

>>713770774 (OP)
you are the goodest goy

>>713796208
>mutts aren't the biggest slop consoomers on the whole planet

you can't be serious

>>713796192
>Elaborate how that can be true while this is also true:
Simple, it's a poorly thought out initiative.

>>713770774 (OP)
When's your troon out stream, Thor?

>>713770774 (OP)
Just publish the multiplayer server software and the horror will end.

>>713796208
>like the rest of us.
We'd been over this already. Voting with your wallet just doesn't work anymore, you can do it on a personal level just fine but it doesn't help change the industry at all.

>>713796020
The HOW the games will be kept alive is literally the most important part yet it's the one part that the movement doesn't care about because the petition can't do anything about it.

>>713796303
Prove it then.
Elaborate how
>they can still do both if they just say it's a possibility before launch and that does absolutely nothing.
can be true while this is also true:
>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.

>>713778509
>explain how this isnt forcing a company to host servers to distribute files forever
are you retarded or something?
Rising Storm: Vietnam 2 is legit abandonware but people still play it because devs decided to release to public bunch of tools so people can host servers themselves. It's entirely fan operated now outside master server which answers with server list whenever you ask it for one and cost of operating it is like 2 beers per year.

>>713796265
Americans didn't start a campaign about safe spending, did they? I'd rather defend them than you eastern euro shitheels.

>>713796350
>Voting with your wallet just doesn't work anymore
You can't make that claim when we have several instances of it working in the last few years. Just look at Concord. I

>>713770997
tldr?

>>713795785
Isn't leaking private correspondence illegal?

>>713796519
yes ofcourse you mutts don't start any campaigns for consumer rights since you are born to be cattle for the big corporates to be milked.

>>713796020
>No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss
You want to know the fun part? This isn't even applicable since no one is being deprived of their property nor is it functioning in a way that was hidden to the consumer.

>>713796393
The HOW is not the point. Read any other initiative.
The one on reducing factory farming doesn't state how many, what it would be replaced with, how other meat or food producers would be subsidized to compensate, etc. Ross gave an example that just says "Tax the Rich"...
The devil is always in the details and is why this goes up to debate before being enacted. This is not final law; it's just to justify talking about it.
You're fundamentally misunderstanding what these initiatives can do before they're accepted to be discussed.

>>713770774 (OP)
>pirate software is right,
op 100% boofs meth

>>713796602
>you mutts
Seems like the only thing driving your ignorance now is your hatred of America. The irony being that I'm clearly not American.

>>713780527
basically the servers are run on linux so it's impossible to run them on windows and you would need to completely rewrite them for windows

>>713796648
>The HOW is not the point.
It's literally the only thing that matters.

>>713796606
>no one is being deprived of their property
The good was agreed to be provided to you at sale and stated no expiration. It should be considered your property at that point. The only place stated that your good can be removed from your possession is in a EULA that can be seen as anti-consumer.
>is it functioning in a way that was hidden to the consumer.
The EULA or any other documentation does not state when your access will end. Only that your access can be revoked at anytime without notice.

>>713794578
I don't think Ross knew how much people dislike PirateGuy and what a great selling point it is for a movement, and thought that he was a respected member of the larger community that had to be approached tactfully if at all.

>>713796602
If you weren't cattle you wouldn't need this campaign in the first place.

>>713795785
KEK I'm so glad I preemptively blocked this retard so he couldn't get the last word in when I told him to yiff in hell and to stop using his ferret as a cock sock.

>>713796519
>Just look at Concord.
Except that is only the game part of the product. Here we are talking monetization, the business model. Has the concord failure stopped the industry from making live service games riddled with gamepasses and microtransactions that try to fleece people and can be killed at any moment at the dev's discretion? No, I don't think so. Sure sony cancelled a few of them but let's not pretend they did it to appeal to the players or to offer a better product than the competition, they just saw the writing on the wall that this aggressive pursuit of live service isn't the slamdunk unlimited money glitch they expected from the covid lockdown period.

A little commitment to letting players stand up their own server architecture to keep always-online games going past EoL is all I ask...

>>713796830
>The good was agreed to be provided to you at sale and stated no expiration
The "good" was also stated to require a constant connection and as such was sold as a service.
>. It should be considered your property at that point
Sure, the disc is your property but the game and servers are not, by law, not the EULA, they belong to the developers and they can do as they please as is their legal right.

>>713796796
I know you have a hard time indexing here but there's an order to how things happen.
1. An initiative starts and is accepted to start
2. An initiative gains support <--- We are here
3. Discussions about the initiative happen with policy makers
4. Policy makers discuss with relevant parties including those that started the initiative <--- This part is where the HOW comes in
5. Action is decided upon with details regarding the decision
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/how-it-works_en#Step-1-Get-started

>>713796915
>Here we are talking monetization, the business model.
You have no idea what this campaign is about, do you.

>>713797005
>The short answer is this is a large legal grey area, depending on the country. In the United States, this is generally the case. In other countries, the law is not clear at all since license agreements cannot override national laws. Those laws often consider videogames as goods, which have many consumer protections that apply to them. So despite what the license agreement may say, in some countries you are indeed sold your copy of the game license. Some terms still apply, however. For example, you are typically only sold your individual copy of the game license for personal use, not the intellectual property rights to the videogame itself.

notice how if you post correct information or links to correct information, nobody relies to you?
that' because they're all shills, they're all meant to just driveby dump misinformation and fuck off. that's what they have in their little "how to shill" booklets. they can't respond to proper argument because they're esl's that only post what they're told by their shill supervisors.

>>713794578
On the contrary, while he could have done it earlier, waiting 10 months for it means anyone other than the biggest Maldy cocksucker can tell his claims that SKG supporters harassed and attacked him is a complete lie. Not to mention that this drama would not have been nearly as effective if he clapped back before the WoW drama, and the campaign being so close to the deadline also helps get signatures.

>>713797040
So it can still go either way and the movement will accept it regardless of outcome because Stop Killing Games doesn't care.

>>713797005
and you support this?

>>713770774 (OP)
>pirate software is right
ferret fucker no one believes you are right but 12 year olds. News flash, anyone can just watch you when you live stream yourself, you are the most obvious liar I have ever stream. Ross should feel embarrassed for believing you are just mistaken. you look like a 10 year old saying you didn't draw on any walls standing infront of a scribbled mess

>>713796405
"functional (playable)" is impossible to define beyond an aethery "i know what it means in my heart"
would an offline training mode with one map constitute as playable enough? would you need to have access to all dlcs? if so, what about limited time content like collaborations where devs won't even have access to the IP anymore?
>i-it doesnt matter!!
what's stopping devs from simply updating the game into a shell of itself on the last updates before EOL?
how does the initiative handle shit like cod where the games are technically just standalone dlc for cod hq?
>w-we'll figure it out later!!
you can't figure it out because it's an impossible to define touchy feely word that serves as the foundation for the entire argument and there is no legal definition for it
even IF SKG doesnt get laughed out of the courts its just going to amount to some retarded nothing burger like devs just putting in a single offline mode and legalese'ing their online as timed events like "seasons"

>>713796796
No it is not. It is trivial to design your game to not brick once you pull the plug if done so from the very start. Remember this will only concern games made after the law is passed, that is years down the line. Thinking how a liveservice games right now would be kept alive is pointless because they aren't affected.

>>713797369
>all this strawman
nta but anyway
>how do you define "functional (playable)"
everything i could do in the game before you nuked it

>>713770774 (OP)
yes fuck you

>>713770936
Nothing, this tard thinks that they won't just sell assets of the company to another company and make the first company bankrupt and no one gives a shit lol.

>>713797182
>So it can still go either way and the movement will accept it regardless of outcome
Yes because that's how laws work. SKG isn't a massive nation state that can disregard the Parliaments decision and prevent games from being sold in their country. They present their case, we present ours, and some action comes as a result of it.
Perhaps there is an appeal process but outside that, you have to accept the outcome.
>Stop Killing Games doesn't care
1. SKG started a petition to advocate for your rights so you can continue playing games after their "shutdown". That sounds like 'care' to me
2. Ross has stated his concessions and goals with this movement in terms of how. None of which including your doomsday scenario.
3. If it "goes the other way" despite their best arguments, there is no "caring" that would have stopped that. You win some, you lose some. It's not a reflection of their devotion.

>>713797151
correct

>>713770774 (OP)
fuck off thor

>>713796520
stop killing games.
>list of developers who stopped, in fact, killing their games

>>713797151
Because no one is going to argue with someone who just copy and pastes something without truly comprehending what it means. It's a complete and utter waste of time because they don't want to have a conversation, they just want to shill.

>>713797209
NTA but yeah, everyone should have the right to do what they please with the property they own.

>>713797969
i didn't mean that, i mean if you support game developers "doing what they please with their servers", i.e. making your game unplayable.

>>713797675
you don't know what strawman means and you also didn't read my post
>everything i could do in the game before you nuked it
whats stopping me from removing everything in the game before shutting down? keep in mind your response must not include preserving all versions of the game and everything that was ever added to it but must also support games like cod which are just dlc for some nebuluous god game

>>713797789
Thanks for restating that SKG doesn't really care about the outcome and will happily accept if the lawmakers decide that it's ok for a company to shut their game off and sell an "offline mode" game separately.

>>713797369
>"functional (playable)" is impossible to define beyond an aethery "i know what it means in my heart"
>what's stopping devs from simply updating the game into a shell of itself on the last updates before EOL?
>you can't figure it out because it's an impossible to define touchy feely word that serves as the foundation for the entire argument and there is no legal definition for it
1. A petition can't define that because its:
a. not final law and not the place to draft final law
b. has a character limit because of a
2. The purpose of the petition is to bring this to the intention of the courts and be able to present arguments and help draft laws to combat everything you described while also hearing from publishers
3. You can't define "reasonable suspicion" but common sense is built into many laws. Just like anything else, if it can be argued, it can be brought to court. If a company compiled in a say malicious way, they could be taken to court and the discussion would continue there.

Look at any other petition. Stopping factory farming, taxing the rich, promoting football clubs and imagery as a cultural touchstone, etc. They're all detailed enough to start the conversation but vague enough to leave the details out of the purposeful.
Consider this the "abstract" and not the entire paper

>>713798293
>Look at any other petition. Stopping factory farming, taxing the rich, promoting football clubs and imagery as a cultural touchstone, etc. They're all detailed enough to start the conversation but vague enough to leave the details out of the purposeful.
And none of them ever worked lmfao people still think petitions change things in 2025 holy shit.

>>713797369
Legal statements often end with a call to common sense, just because we all have common sense and you don't doesn't mean we can't understand the conclusion. You're telling us that we wouldn't be able to define in writing exactly what it means with all of the nuances included, so you're actually explaining why simpler terms were necessary.

I don't know why you'd have to be arguing about this, just bare in mind that the petition isn't to retroactively change terms on already existing games.

>>713798237
>whats stopping me from removing everything in the game before shutting down?
A potential lawsuit that you intentionaly made something I bought non-functional to avoid your obligations of keeping it minimally functional.

>>713798276
>You don't like reading and you created a petition to allow you to never read again.
>The petition gets enough signatures and goes out to parliament.
>A judge reads this and just ruled you're a faggot and it's written into law that everyone has to address you as such.
>Since you didn't go in and rewrite the law yourself, you don't care that everyone thinks you're a faggot.
I knew you didn't care, faggot

>>713770774 (OP)
>they should demand specifics instead of saying ''Nuh uh, you should support this game for forever and keep the servers alive!''.
that is not what they're demanding
>Stopkillinggames should demand:
>Custom server tools once an online game's servers has been sunset by publishers
>Removal of online DRM from singleplayer games the moment devs are going to sunset the servers
that is LITERALLY what they are demanding

>>713797101
>large legal grey area,
The problem is that there's no legal grey area, it's all based on ignorance and misinterpretation. For example this snippet you posted
>Those laws often consider videogames as goods, which have many consumer protections that apply to them. So despite what the license agreement may say, in some countries you are indeed sold your copy of the game license.
This is jargon. Not only doesn't it go into what consumer protections it would have to keep you as the reader from knowing what your actual rights are it implies that the EULA contradicts your game being sold as a license when that has never been true.

>>713798385
>LMAOOOO JUST LICK BOOTS DUDE
>FUG THE GOBERMENT BRO
>TEAR IT DOWN EAT DA RICH
Don't forget you guy fawks mask when you go out to protest. System is broken, brother. Rise up. I too think Fight Club is the most important movie in the world

>>713798398
>>713798463
except devs could literally just market each individual season of online as a limited time event (because it is) and courts would be unable to claim muh malicious compliance
just think fortnite, there's nothing preventing them from saying online seasons are ending and STW is the only thing left
this petition won't do shit because the things its arguing for are incredibly nebuluous and have no precedent

>>713798189
My post makes it very clear anon.
>everyone should have the right to do what they please with the property they own.
And it's not "your game" you only have a licence for private use.

>>713798553
>The problem is that there's no legal grey area, it's all based on ignorance and misinterpretation
That's up to the courts to decide.

>Not only doesn't it go into what consumer protections it would have to keep
Article 169 – Per §1, the EU has an obligation “to promote the interests of consumers and to ensure a high level of consumer protection…to protecting the health, safety and economic interests of consumers”. We believe this practice infringes upon or requires correction to be commensurate with the EU’s obligation. The actions taken in response to this initiative must supersede any end user license agreements associated with videogames.

Article 12 – “Consumer protection requirements shall be taken into account in defining and implementing other Union policies and activities.” Given that this practice extends across Member States and beyond the EU, the Union’s actions regarding this practice ought to keep consumer protection in mind. The actions taken in response to this initiative must supersede any end user license agreements associated with videogames.

Article 114, §3 – “The Commission, in its proposals envisaged in paragraph 1 concerning health, safety, environmental protection and consumer protection, will take as a base a high level of protection… Within their respective powers, the European Parliament and the Council will also seek to achieve this objective” This practice undermines the high level of consumer protection that the Commission, the European Parliament, and the Council takes as the basis of law in the Union, and their objectives of establishing and maintaining the functioning of an internal market as described in §1 of this Article, and Article 26 TFEU.

>>713798385
People call it a petition to make it easy for retards to understand but a eu citizens initiative that reach the signature threshold have to be discussed in the european parliament and so far, six of those initiatives reached the threshold and four led to changes at the eu level.

>>713798463
>A potential lawsuit that you intentionaly made something I bought non-functional to avoid your obligations of keeping it minimally functional
There wouldn't be a lawsuit for that. As they owner they're entitled to make any changes they please as long as it doesn't physically destroy your possessions. This is true in Europe as well

>>713798707
That's up to the courts to decide.
Further, this sets precedent for this to be argued. It's the legal basis to preventing behaviors like that.

>>713798712
See
>>713798805

>>713798805
>That's up to the courts to decide.
No court in Europe that isn't hideously corrupt would call it a grey area based on existing laws. Nor would they side with the people trying to control the use of other people's property.

>>713792297
It what happens when you let real retards think they are in good company, place has been been getting shitter for like a decade and mods are niggers that are too busy nuking game threads they don’t like and being hormonal to do anything

>>713770774 (OP)
Sorry I didn't mean to post this I'm just frustrated with how many cocks I have been sucking, and I'm getting paid pennies for it

>>713798712
i ask again then, do you support this? that it's not "your game"?

>>713798893
Modifying data on my computer without my permission is a physical destruction.

>>713770774 (OP)
What's it like being a low IQ corporate bootlicker?

>>713798528
It's not my fault that Stop Killing Games entire point hinges on a demand that isn't on their petition.

>>713799106
Dont agree but, ok.
But you agree that games dying is bad, yes? in the worst case, what's the harm in letting the courts provide their egregious ruling that what's stated in Blizzard's EULA is indeed law?
To the end consumer, nothing change other than clarity as to what your rights are

>>713778509
Old games were able to do this but new ones cant?

>>713798914
the courts wont decide shit because this initiative wont get enough petitions since it's a complete joke

>>713799209
Hey faggot, we know you can't read. You don't have to keep reminding us

>>713799319
Ok, Maldavius, go back to fucking ferrets.

>>713798986
See what exactly? You haven't posted anything relevant to what I said.
But let's go through anyway
>to protecting the health, safety and economic interests of consumers
None of this is currently being harmed.
>We believe this practice infringes upon or requires correction to be commensurate with the EU’s obligation.
Not once to they state why they believe that.

>The actions taken in response to this initiative must supersede any end user license agreements associated with videogames.
It's not the EULA that matters, it's copyright law which supersedes consume rights.

>This practice undermines the high level of consumer protection that the Commission
Once again, no elaboration.

>>713799319
Maybe. Or maybe not. Who knows

>>713770774 (OP)
The problem is that they should never made them a service with in-game money. And since it is just a code, easy to let fans maintaince it.
The companies charge you $30 for an item being blue and when they close something they want noone to be able to play it for free.

>>713799325
And yet you still have done nothing but say that Stop Killing Games only eants to start a conversation and doesn't have any actual goals to help protect consumers.

>>713799432
>None of this is currently being harmed.
Economic interest of consumers
>Not once to they state why they believe that.
They don't have to. They can and will make that argument in court.
>It's not the EULA that matters, it's copyright law which supersedes consume rights.
Copyright law has nothing to do with this as no IP is intended to be infringed upon
>Once again, no elaboration.
Once again, no need. This is to start the conversation; not make all arguments and draft all the details of the law

It's sad that people like OP still think that the expectation is for developers to keep online servers alive when it has been said countless times that nobody is asking for that.

>>713799575
If you can find someone to read >>713798805 to you, I'm sure you'd feel real silly right now, faggot.

Alright, from a developer's perspective
Can you explain what is so difficult about releasing the same tools you use to host a server so someone else can do it

>>713799575
>only wants to start the conversation about protecting consumers
>doesn't tell the government what to do exactly
exactly. every petition should be a drafted bill like a pull request to be merged directly in after a single approval. no arguments or conversation. just a list of demands and how to achieve them. that way they can just close there eyes and pass whatever is put in front of them.

under what pretense are jannies being such faggots about this? We are LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

>>713799969
>under what pretense are jannies being such faggots about this?
They are? In which way?

>>713770774 (OP)
This. How dare they ask millions dollar companies to spend more money or thought in their products for the benefit of gamers. These STG guys just need to grow up and accept reality.

>>713770774 (OP)
kys

We have just one message for y'all: STOP KILLING GAMES AND BLACK TRANS WOMEN!

>>713799860
Here's an example of what usually goes into building something like an MMO (from a recent product launch on YT)

>>713800009
not that anon but they closed a thread about this a few minutes ago so he's probably referring to that
>>713794738

>>713799969
please understand
100000 steam charts thread? 100000 ai slop threads? 10000 softcore porn threads? that's fine
one chart about the life or death of future VIDEO GAMES? ding dong bannu

>>713800091
... so how do private WoW servers work?

>>713800009
You may not have noticed yet, but any SKG thread gets closed, but every twitter screencap or political bullshit thread is fair game.

It makes no sense. It's like we can't talk about things happening with video games? Like if I made a thread talking about Jack Thompson would it be allowed? Whatever head janny dictating we can't talkin about something thats ACTUALLY VIDYA needs to be outted or atleast just lay off this

>>713800308
nta but most private servers are for older online games with much simpler infrastructure
but even if the modern dev just gave you it as it was and said "good luck, you need specific hardware for this" and the regular end user couldn't run the server, it'd STILL be infinitely better than what we get now
which is nothing

>Chet Faliszek makes video about stop killing games mocking and being sarcastic about Ross
>I comment "Wowie, another tone-deaf videogame industry head doubles down to fight against game presevation efforts in an age where video game consumer rights are violated more than ever. You of all people whose been in the industry longest would understand. What a shame. I'd argue your industry is worse than Hollywood at this point, given the unsafe workplaces you foster and the way you spit on your paying customers that keep you out of the Walmart where you would have been without Valve. You lost a lot of respect from me and seem unhinged in your recent videos. If you have nothing to say, say nothing at all because you sound like an absolute fool. The satire was poor and comes off as deaf and mocking from your position."
>5 minutes after I post my comment, the video is deleted by the uploader
kek what a retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPqzsl7Ey0

>>713800091
They could release there documentation at the very least, so people could have atleast a chance in hell of reconstructing it

>>713800389
Something something make the site less interesting.

>>713800478
Your post is pure reddit, I wish I could delete it also

>>713796520
OP is a faggot

>>713800651

>>713800308
It's a good question and I'm not an expert. If I had to guess, some concessions were made like simpler or no load balancing (distributing users between multiple servers) and other things that really only matter for games hosting millions of concurrent players.
It could also be a testament to how WoW was developed with its architecture being easily decoupled from the services and networking it relies on.

Finally someone who can explain it to /v/ in a way we can understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUN3amA9QFg

>>713800091
>VPC
not needed
>IAM
not really needed.
>proxy
for an offline version?
>analytics
lmao
>4 game servers
1 is enough fo roffline
>4 web servers
again, 1 is enough
>load balancer
for a version that will be run by a bunch of friends?


Then again >>713800423 is right, even if they released the complete infrastructure would be miles better.

>>713800389
>You may not have noticed yet
I did, anon. I monitored the threads since late august.

>>713798712
>And it's not "your game"
speak for yourself

>>713800478
was this a new video or the old one?

Its crazy what alcoholism does to a mf, when instead of being like "Oh this is a thing gamers seem to care about and wanting to actually own your games and continue playing them is a pretty reasonable desire" he went with "ITS THE GAMERGATE CROWD WHO HATE MODERN VIDEO GAMES"

He's a wheezing moron though. According to him, Concord isn't a live-service game, despite being literally unplayable... because its a service game.

>>713800970
Video was posted about 3 days ago and it was him drunk saying 1+1=3 and being a sarcastic rambling retard. I'd remove the video myself just purely on the optics.

>>713800517
100% and this isn't to advocate against it. But it's to show that the push back from some devs is warranted.
>>713800734
Well yea. If you have 1 server, you don't need that much. Maybe a reverse proxy for resolving requests to the game server and the web server.
But this is all incredibly dependent on how the game was built. If say the game had some huge message queue before reaching any game server and each server had to pull from that queue, you would have to build that even if there's only one server.
It's not THAT hard to work around and I totally think any of this is better than nothing. But it's something to keep in mind that there would be challenges developers will face trying to accommodate.

>>713800478
That one with silly hat?

>>713798712
>you only have a licence for private use.
sounds like the law that needs to change then. if someone tried to come take something from me physically they'd leave in a bag. these guys get away with it because it's digital and the laws haven't caught up.

>the new momentum is already lost and the petition is dead again
KWAB
you discord spammers will need to find a new job a month from now

>>713800287
>barely 600k signatures
I knew that the EU gamers are just cattle who didn't care about their rights but I didnt know the extent of their ignorance. Well what can you except from a bunch of barbarian mutts. bet this would have already hit the target had the UK still been a part of the EU. Let it be known that the death of the gaming lies on the conscience of EU cucks.

>>713801217
the UK outright told stop killing games to pound sand retarded britibong

>>713801217
the uk vote is right there doebeit

>>713801217
There's a separate UK petition that can't even reach 100k
also your government straight up said no even before it expired

>>713778509
No you fucking nigger together with other retards, do you know what server is you mongoloid dogfucker?
imagine having a HDD, but not in your PC but in the next room. You can only access filles in that HDD via wifi
You know what you can do? copypaste the fucking files to your own PC HDD and you don't need wifi anymore! This is how "remote" work looked like in 2000 whre you had single player games full offline with optional multiplayer

you know why it's not life service and forced multiplayer? because it's an excellent DRM and anti-cheating tool. You can't access your character files stored on a server, only read it, so no hero editor! You can't access some game data like what and where NPCs are placed, you can only read it from the server. Poof you cannot make a pirate copy of the game unless you reverse engineer the server!

And guess what faggot, instead of remote path to a server, lace the files in your game folder and replace the path to files from web adress to your local one. Poof, this is the unimaginable tech!
>bbbut it's a server
yeach, changing config file to scale down from like 10k players to single player takes not month, not week. Not even a day
IT'S FUCKING 5 MINUTES considering backend dev doesn't use ctrl+f out of lazyness

the best example of how server-side shit works was and still is Diablo 2 with open and closed battlenet AND LAN. And there's no 'bbut this game server works diffirent". It's the core of server tech, the literal basis, you cannot skip it, just add layer for optimalization aka netcode, and layer of defence against DDoS and other bruteforce attacks. Even easier if you use cloud based tech. But still basis is the same, the shit you access remotely just need to be set to be accessed and avaible locally. FI someoen tells you that it costs money and time, he lies to you faggot. He lies knowing that majority of people are tech illiterate and will eat mmuh DDoS excuse everytime when their poo cheap server shits itself

>>713778509
There will always be a niche community that will keep it alive one way or another. Stuff like Re-volt and Midtown Madness still have fan websites that host for any type of mods and game files to share

>>713801217
kek, yea, we all know the UK aka New Pakistan has a stiff back and stands up for itself. just try not to say anything racist okay? wouldn't want you to get arrested.

>>713771835
I know this is a piss-take troll post, but it really is frustrating how people treated some guy with a twitch stream like he was the singular authority on game development, despite SKG getting support from multiple dev studios and people with better resumes.

>>713800968
> the five loaves and the two fish, having looked up to heaven, He blessed and broke them, and He kept giving them to the disciples to set before the crowd.
I should thank christ for inventing duping

>>713801427
as an idea guy it infuriates me that a guy works like 10 years on "his game"for you slope browed lurkers I am being sarcastic and is considered "an industry professional"

>>713799101
The whole 70 years after death thing is fucking absurd.
>20 yo guy writes a book
>enjoy it immensely as a 10 yo
>years later, as a tired old man, want to create my own version of your favourite childhood tale
>original creator dies at 90
>you're now 80, and have to wait 70 more years to create your own take on it
Shakespeare blatantly borrowed from his contemporaries, sometimes not even 5 years since publication/performance. Meanwhile we have to face 100+ yo IP rights.
Also, fuck jannies.

>>713800091
Yes dog and guess what
righ FUCKING now, you double faggotnigger, you have a SINGLE PLAYER WOW BUILD with fucking NPC BOTS INCLUDED
like, you just tpy eosme shit in config, like 5-10 words, click your exe and poof, server started
and it's not even a real wow server but a fucking EMULATOR, aka 2-4 more work than having an actual core server up locally
and now, you can just boot up completly working tbc/wotlk wow server, then change IP in your wow client folder to your local and enter your own fucking server with bots running around even without you playing, since it's the server, not game client doing the work
the only thing you're interested on that pic is CLIENT and GAME SERVER combined with WEB SERVER RUN LOCALLY aka CHANGING FUCKING IP CALLS TO LOCAL

>>713770997
This sounds completely reasonable.

>>713774274
I hope this nepo hire faggot dies in his sleep, we could have seen some actual meaningful change from this and it all just got fucked because of zoomers falling for his bullshit

>>713795785
>get the last word
>still come off looking worse
>leak it anyway

>>713800734
the "modern" devs, especially for major MMO's have even easier infrastructure. They each run the game server LOCALLY adn then upload the saved works to some central hub-version control shit like guthub where admin can decide what gets pulled up
older MMO's had it harder, way harder, ebcause if your netcode guy wasn't here when something burned, then entire work was stopped until he woke up from meth addiction, drive to the office to type -server - restart in shell
now you have literal compelte packages in cloud-systems. It's impossible to break unless someone somehow access each version on each iteration on each device and break it

Does this support mobile gaming? Why or why not?
And when are pokemon duel private servers coming online?

>>713801608
Link to this? I'd play the shit out of this. I thought erenshor would be ok until it came to the stupid keyword system

>>713801608
Oh every MMO is built exactly like WoW? Well that settles it.
Tell me you've never worked in SaSS without telling me.
To be clear, I still think SKG should go through and this should still happen. That said, if I have 2 stage commits, a chat service, a physic service, an auth service, etc, abstracting that all away to make my server still run without it is non-trivial. "Should it be" and "will it be" are different questions that I think deserve separate discussions.
The bottom line is that, as modern infra exists now, one could make an argument that there is a potential for a lot of work to make a game compliant to this initiative. I am not arguing anything else with that comment.

>>713772195
>I really don't know how retards are thinking that the devs should suport it indefinately. Actual mental retardation.
I'm pretty sure they're misrepresenting the initiative on purpose, far easier to denigrate this retarded strawman they conjure than the actual thing. It's the exact same mix of idiotic bullshit and obnoxious baiting they spammed here several months ago.

>>713770774 (OP)
Piratesoftware is a disgusting nigger subhuman that needs to be killed. If you honestly listen to some streamers opinion you need to kill yourself. Fucking neck yourself. Fucking faggot. Failure. Piece of complete failure. Sage this fucking thread into oblivion. Join the skyrocketing male suicide rate.

>>713801924
It does reference a mobile game as evidence of proper game eos with megaman x dive so I guess it doesn't specifically exclude mobile games.

>>713802146
I'm not for or against the initiative at this point, I don't really care, but if it does include mobile gaming then it's destined to fail imo

>>713801924
>Does this support mobile gaming?
Yes
>Why
Because mobile games still count as games as far as the law is concerned.

>>713795785
Gamers are entitled babies

>>713771562
Go figure that someone like you would be averse to soap.

>up to almost 600k
You guys might pull this off

>>713795785
Jesus he retard.. Thanks god! more content for youtubers

>>713802224
Unless they try and push for something like what animal crossing did with their mobile game, just made it a one time purchase instead of taking it offline completely. Mobile gaming is such a convoluted mess when it comes to regulation

>>713802054
>one could make an argument that there is a potential for a lot of work to make a game compliant to this initiative.
It doesn't apply to already existing games. No work is needed to make these games compliant. It's just that in the future devs may have to consider that when making games.

>>713802327
doubtful in such a short time to the finish line. would take some kind of viral event like a huge creator collab 24 hour stream including whoever the largest gaming talking heads in europe are.

>desire for preservation and salvation of videogames was not enough to save them
>it was the hatred of furfaggots that will save the videogames
Truly, hatred is the Emperor's greatest gift to mankind.

>>713802048
look at azerothcore releases, alst time i played TBC, but considering how stable and customizable wotlk cores were for years it's safe too
https://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-emulator-servers/wow-emu-general-releases/
>>713802054
it doesn't matter what MMO we're taking about, the actual issue is the networking and pretense from companies that somehow doing multiple dances, checks and validations when connecting to the game server is harder than just having it on your hdd accessed just like any other file
it's like you're saying that noo cd-drive cannot read wc3 cd because wc3 cd have diffirent print than diablo2 cd
it's the basis, the ltieral very, very fuckign bottom atserver infrastructure, a single goddamn fucking reading files remotely. Stop with that bullshit pretense of shit that ahs grown around it because it;s simply not needed when user runs it locally, like afromentioned analytics

>>713770997
Please, please save this pic and post it anywhere some disingenuous faggot tries to force the "THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE DEVELOPERS SUPPORT GAMES FOREVER!!" lie.
I can't believe it's spelled out so clearly and corporate simps STILL blatantly lie about it.

>>713802554
What if the game is coded like shit and can't be fixed by the time they want to shut it down? Like wolcen lords of mayhem, for example

>>713770774 (OP)
Isn't the thing just forcing companies to release the servers' code if they aren't going to be giving support anymore so open-source servers can be made for (You) who purchased the client?

>>713802663
No

>>713770774 (OP)
Retard, a VM is easy and cheap to keep hosting old games

>>713802645
>what if meteor falls into earth and heat death of the universe happens lol!!!
shut the fuck up

>>713799681
>We want games to be playable after the official servers go down!
>how are they going to be playable?
>I dunno, mr government will figure it out for us
Again, Stop Killing Games doesn't care about the most important part, the key to its very existence

>>713771060
Retarded nigger

>>713802731
checkmate nigger

>>713802054
>Oh every MMO is built exactly like WoW
Every mmo pretty much is built like WoW because every mmo apes WoW. And even if it isn't built like WoW, the server-client communication isn't going anywhere, there are basic rules that all games with an online component follow.
>chat service
Unnecessary in singleplayer and by default should just be client based as a part of the game client itself.
>auth service
Can be spoofed, absolutely trivial to accomplish.
>physic service
Only for the games that actually have physics, which is a funny thing that you mention it, dedicated servers of Battlefield 3 had no issues with that, but physics would begin to breakdown when tickrate would be increased beyond the shitty rubberbandy limits of what the devs programmed.

tl;dr make better software instead of cutting corners and hiring streetshitters.

>>713802645
on steam you have multiple games like that
example i Z: steel soldiers tha tthey tried to mdoernize but the steam version works even worse than original, and then they completly dropped all support
you can still buy it btw, glad i have original disc

>>713802758
It's really like you have no idea how laws are created.

>>713802645
Not my problem

>>713802758
just release server files, ez
lineage 2 had multiple controlled "leaks" of server files so people made shitton of pservers,s ame with Mu onlien and shitton others
and those are way more convulted that modern online games

>>713802758
Are you retarded on purpose or legit born like that?
Like damn, it's written pretty damn fucking clearly

>>713802758
>do our work for us, goy!
The companies offered no alternatives and refused to meet people halfway. People wouldn't have gone for the government route if every other avenue hadn't been already tried and exhausted. Every time the userbase asked for this, they were simply stonewalled.

>>713802663
yes, see >>713770997

>>713802990
because companies dont have to give into entitled manchildren

>>713802663
You don't need to release code, just a compiled executable. Do you understand the difference between the two? Because if you don't, stop talking immediately.

>>713803029
Politicians don't have to give into entitled corporations.

>>713802327
It will be close. We would really, really need other youtubers and streamers to join. With the current trajectory, we likely look at 30-32k signatures today from 49k yesterday. and it will likely drop more on the weekend.

>>713795785
I have no clue about the drama or anyone involved in it but everyone on youtube is shitting on this piratgaming dude. That's bad. What if he ends up killing himself due to bullying?

>>713803029
>NOOO STOP TRYING TO PREVENT US FROM DESTROYING WHAT YOU BOUGHT
Who's the entitled manchild here exactly, bootlicker?

>>713794826
The cool nations already signed the competitions. But apparently it's been difficult to mobalize the rest of Europe.

>>713803169
when you purchase a game you're buying a license to play it, you're not buying the game itself retard

>>713803149
>What if he ends up killing himself due to bullying?
The dude has no shame.

>>713802431
Yea the 'something to consider' part is what can be hard and where the details lie. Again, not unsolvable just not trivial.

>>713802463
It's harder because it's sometimes necessary. Ever decide to roll your own auth? How about maintaining caching? What mainlining chat into your auto scaling server cluster instead of maintaining a separate service?
Technology marches forward and microservices were absolutely sold as a solution to the headaches dev were running into. Whether you think it's stupid, unnecessary, or whatever is irrelevant. What matters here is getting adequate adoption and clear solutions when someone from Activision says "we cannot comply with this since we would need to ask the user to maintain our homegrown cold storage network for streaming textures which is still in use on our active projects".
There are REAL challenges that need to be ironed out that can't be hand waved away with "well D2 did it and WoW had no problem with it" because it's been nearly 25 years since that shit was relevant. They will have a justification for these services and someone will have to answer the question of "how".

>>713803235
Not in Europe.

IDK if OP is just rage baiting or truly retarded. Learn how to read you braindead cunt. Also this is an initiative not a law, specifics aren't the point right now idiot.

>>713770774 (OP)
Pirate software has never been right about a single thing in his life
He is a roach and a coward who couldn't even admit to making a mistake in a video game

>>713802758
Mr government and SKG and publisher will figure it out yes. That's how a discussion works. Faggot.

>>713803149
>What if he ends up killing himself due to bullying?
stop, i can only get so erect. he's a furry aka a family pet rapist. if he kills himself that would be getting off lightly.

>>713803326
you need a license to own a tv over there, you're not supposed to take europe seriously

>>713770774 (OP)
If you watched the whole thing and that still is your conclusion then you are as retarded as Pirate Software. The fucking first few lines of this petition whatever you wanna call it explains it's goals.
So you should do the right thing and kill yourself instead of making threads about your retardation.

>>713770774 (OP)
Kill ferrets. Behead ferrets. Roundhouse kick a ferrets into the concrete. Slam dunk a ferrets into the trashcan. Crucify filthy ferrets. Defecate in a ferrets’s food. Launch ferrets into the sun. Stir fry ferrets in a wok. Toss ferrets into active volcanoes. Urinate into a ferrets’s gas tank. Judo throw ferrets into a wood chipper. Twist ferrets’ heads off. Report ferrets to the Wizards’ Council. Karate chop ferrets in half. Curb stomp pregnant ferrets. Trap ferrets in quicksand. Crush ferrets in the trash compactor. Liquefy ferrets in a vat of acid. Eat ferrets. Dissect ferrets. Exterminate ferrets in the gas chamber. Stomp ferrets skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate ferrets in the oven. Lobotomize ferrets. Mandatory abortions for ferrets. Grind ferrets fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown ferrets in fried chicken grease. Vaporize ferrets with anti-matter. Kick old ferrets down the stairs. Feed ferrets to alligators. Slice ferrets with a katana. Catapult ferrets into a black hole. Seal ferrets inside concrete blocks. Condemn every ferrets to twenty-six life sentences. Force-feed ferrets their own inedible crud. Strap ferrets to SpaceX rockets and hit launch. Force ferrets to dump all their worthless Funko Pops into lava. Dropkick ferrets into oncoming traffic. Fill ferrets’ water bottles with battery acid. Superglue ferrets to the pavement and run over them with a Zamboni. Inject ferrets with liquid nitrogen and shatter them with a hammer. Launch ferrets into a jet engine. Force ferrets to walk through a field of landmines. Drop ferrets into a pit of starving wolves. Glue ferrets to their phones, then throw both into a trash compactor. Put ferrets in a giant blender. Excarnate every ferrets and place their skeletons on display in Caribbean museums.

>>713803402
>meme strawman
I don't need a license to own a TV, United Kingdom of Sharia is also no longer a member of the European Union, so it's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

this image confuses nu-devs

These threads suck now. It's all eceleb bullshit. You aren't even talking about the petition anymore.

>>713803235
Yeah, a perpetual license, which the seller violates by bricking the game at a later date. When you buy a live service game for a one off price, that is the game being sold as a product, not a service.

>>713778509
I hate brown people so much, when will you gain literacy and intelligence? Far Cry 2 servers have been shut down ever since Christ was crucified and yet people can still play the game on community run custom servers. The same thing will happen here.

*roaching intensifies*

>>713802079
The most sensible post ITT and the jannies deleted it. Sad.

>>713802889
>>713802958
>b-but we can't demand anything on a petition
What reason does anyone have to support this then? Other than hopes and dreams? Will Ross start a conversation for you where he'll cite X-Dive, a gacha that got repackaged and sold as a standalone game, as an example that should be followed? Oh no, the EU is sure to protect you from your vague demands. Surely they won't deem it acceptable if say that they'll release games with a disclaimer that goes something like "our online servers will shutdown in one year lol if you want to keep playing after that just pay a sub lmao"? Stop Killing Games doesn't care about how games will be kept alive.

>>713803654
He is either a paid poojeet, or just a nonwhite that doesn't understand the difference between products and services. It's evident by how he tries to apply mutt law to European economic regulations.

>>713803629
>pirate fagware only mentioned 15 or some times in a 400 replies thread
>abloobloobloo, you aren't talking about the petition
Read, you fucking nigger. OP being a faggot and only bothering with the edrama barely matters.

>>713803748
American regulations say the same fucking thing, it's just not enforced because video games aren't considered a priority issue in the eyes of regulatory bodies.

>>713802758
>>I dunno, mr government will figure it out for us

Zoomers whole lives are based around ragebait spamming. Fucking absurd desu lol

>>713803851
Thank you for reinforcing the quote

>>713803828
I know, your government considers making you die for Israel more important than your rights to owning what you buy.

>>713779342
>>713777968
since the thread is still up i lied btw lol get nae nae'd

>>713804014
Not American, wrong hemisphere.

>>713803483
UE laws still imapct rest of the world
a simple fuck you to apple with their charges made the EU-viable ones also avaible in US and UK despite law that requires them being passed only in EU

>>713803748
I'm a 32 year old white guy farming (You)s while my game downloads, am I doing a good job?

>>713803994
Are you afraid?

>>713799280
>Game Anti-Extinction Movement
>GAEM
totally vidya.

I don't understand the big issue. People have always been creating private servers/emulators/etc. You people are just mad because your shitty dead game that had total peak of 5 players isn't being propped up by the community because there isn't any and you want the devs to do it for you. Just do it yourself, might be a good way to learn some coding skills and stop being an useless faggot.

>>713803994
>average Joes should be the ones writing the law

>>713803740
>>713803851
you can't read, faggot

>>713804113
>t. Pantone 448 C-skin

>>713770774 (OP)
>Look, chudigga, just because I'm le trans does not mean I'm le trans!
You are le trans.

A good idea would be to convince all stores such as Steam, Epic, GOG, PS Store, etc., to put a huge red banner saying something like: "this game has an expiration date" or something similar. Soon, companies that want to release games that will die in the future will have to deal with the banner that scares consumers away.

>>713804143
>make your own emulators
>get sued and have your software taken down

>>713804195
>skin color lives so rent free in his mind he memorized actual hues

>>713804129
Deadly afraid, I'm shaking in my boots over a petition that only vaguely knows what it wants

>>713804298
I just googled "least attractive colour to human beings".

>>713803740
>"our online servers will shutdown in one year lol if you want to keep playing after that just pay a sub lmao"
What are you retarded? That's the same thing. Devs making you pay for something that you already paid for isn't going to fly. If that's not already illegal that'd be something that for sure would get a million signatures.

>>713804365
it's time to take a break from the internet, anon

why do blizzard devs hate this initiative?

>>713770774 (OP)
>americans are chimping out when there is a 0.001% chance of companies' ability to scam people out of money is lowered

>>713804450
Try it out if you don't believe me.

>>713770774 (OP)
You have no idea how much I want to punch you in the face right now
Stop killing games but start heeming retards should be the new slogan

>>713770774 (OP)
You dumb fuck. Not even Ubisoft was this retarded when they announced their offline-mode updates for The Crew games.

>>713770936
That would be post-sale theft, you disingenuous idiot.

>>713804461
the actual blizzard dev supported the initative tho
meanwhile, furryfaggot was never a dev

>>713804461
He was as much a blizzard dev as a janitor working at blizzard was one.

>>713804153
Legislators are just average joes in a position whdre they can make shit like wearing a suit of armor in the british parliament illegal.

Remember that these guys started spamming child pornography in some of the threads about "stop killing games". And no, I'm not talking about hentai and lolis, I'm talking about real child pornography. This is the desperation of guys who want to kill the discussion about forcing companies to release games that don't self-destruct, leaving consumers with nothing in their hands after a while.

>>713771292
>LEL JERK OFF
Go away

>>713803964
Baiting has always been a thing on the internet and much more so in 4chan. Nice try at making it a generational thing though.

>>713804414
It's not illegal at all. Many software companies that have switched to subscription based services have done that. They can get away with it.

>>713804653
They have political connections that average joes do not have and will attract actual experts to the conversation. It's why having someone try and write laws in a fucking civilian government initiative is retarded. The goal of this is to get government to listen and get people together that can start a productive conversation.

>>713804695
>SKG shill reminiscing about the time he posted in a CP thread
fuck off from /v/ stop posting these shitty threads

>>713804695
Why are you so fixated on CP? Didn't save enough the last time?

>>713795785
Dumb fucking move. Critical is a sloptuber but if you're in that sphere he's the last dude you want to be on the bad side of. He tried giving him and out, proceeded to antagonise him then leak the dms. Ferret fucker is fucked lmao.

You wouldn't go to https://personnummer.dev/ and use it to put fake votes.
You wouldn't write a captcha-solving script to do this many times over.

>>713804825
You place way too much faith in politicians.

>>713770774 (OP)
Roach talking points based on his misinterpretation of the petition.

>>713804901
>>713804913
In fact, it was probably this same samefagging autist who posted CP in the threads. Interesting that he's still active, posting freely. He's probably not just a normal autistic pedophile, he's a guy with immunity to do this.

>>713804820
>Many software companies that have switched to subscription based services have done that.
You can still use old versions of that software without a problem and use them without having to pay a subscription.

>>713770997
>just violate the 1st / 5th amendment
no and fuck off non-americans

>>713805117
No, I am citing legal precedents that I can recall. This happened during the Apple vs Henrik Huseby

>>713795785
It's crazy he leaked this thinking it would make him look good

>>713805152
Probably an Israeli agent.

>>713805168
This is not an American movement, it's the Americans that need to fuck off. This does not concern you.

>>713805168
elaborate

>>713800091
>It's just a K8S cloud with all the basic bitch things you usually have.
Most people can learn to setup a k8s cloud in a week and any professional, mid-level Ops person should be able to put up the rest of this in the same time easy.

>>713796198
If he believes? He is 200% sure of every he does.
If he thinks that something is right, it's right. If he thinks that something is wrong, it's wrong.
There are no possibilities in his mind that he might ever be wrong on anything.

>>713770774 (OP)
You do realize that getting enough signatures doesn't just instantly turn it into law exactly as written, right? The signatures are simply a means of forcing it onto the docket for consideration which is exactly where such fine-tuning would be put in place.

>>713805152
Funny how often it's the ones that are actively obsessed about cp that end up having some skeletons in their closet.

>>713805152
>uhhh actually everyone that disagrees with me is a pedophile
why are you such a liar?

>>713805384
It's a fact that it was used to get these threads banned off /v/ and they were removed for off-topic from /pol/ after being moved there. Looks like that whoever was being funded among the 4chan staff to delete them on sight had to wind his operations down after the leaks.

>>713803740
>>713803994
>>713804653
That's how it works when citizens contact politicians to create laws about something. Are you seriously retarded?
The petition/initiative states general intent, points out a few arguments for it, gives few examples and problems raised by the lack of legislation on the topic.
Parliament/political body receive the initial petition and debates occur around a few key practical points like whether this is worth a law, if it isn't already covered by another law and other procedural stuff.
If this first step is approved, the parliament starts an internal commission of lawmakers and politicians to work on drafting a law text, it'll call on related experts, industry representatives and associations to give testimonies and debate on precise points like workability, limits and whatever argument anyone can raise during that time.
The text from the work commission is sent back to the general parliament where politicians can debate the text and propose amendments. After all that is done, the final text gets voted by the parliament. If approved, it get made into a law otherwise it's either rejected or sent back to be reworked.

Literally every parlimentary system roughly works like this. I would bet a fucking arm your country works like this and you have no fucking idea. How are you that fucking stupid?

>>713805258
Nigga, America is the one propelling the video games industry

>>713805261
The 1st and 5th amendments make it so the government can't restrict your freedom of speech (releasing the game) and the government can't force you to speak (releasing the server binaries)

>>713805605
Most non-whites cannot grasp these notions. They require abstract thought and being able to consider complex multi-level social and economic structures. In the mind of a shitskin the laws are just something that happens outside of the control of the public and they only concern him if he gets caught breaking them.

>>713803586
This is impossible in modern server architectures because I'm a dev shut up

>>713805269
>it's JUST k8s
retard, kubernetes is a platform for scaling and deployment. it's not your proxy, your auth, your storage, your microservices. it's those components that can be difficult to decouple from your server code because you have some hack to make it work with that jank sdk aws shit out.

>>713805739
America is the one that drove videogame industry into the fucking dirt. It used to be propelling it. This isn't the 90's anymore.

>>713805739
>Nigga, America is the one propelling the video games industry
If America was leading the games industry we still wouldn't be able to refund digital purchases of video games.

>>713770774 (OP)
>And for my amazing bait thread, I'll just say something really retarded, that will get'em!

>>713805605
>The petition/initiative states general intent, points out a few arguments for it, gives few examples and problems raised by the lack of legislation on the topic.
I would just draw a perfect legal document on the first try.

>>713805835
I mean
it worked
we're at bump limit nearly

>>713805586
/v/ is more pro-corporate than Reddit at this point. Remember when Ubisoft started releasing fake good news about how many "players" were enjoying the new Assassin's Creed, and one of the moderators created an ironic thread saying "we lost", accompanied by fake news about how Assassin's Creed was a success?
Yeah... these are the kind of people who are moderating this hellhole right now. The same ones who worked overtime to remove any threads about Sweet Baby from the catalog, even though they were 100% related to video games. The same ones who move discussions about corporations making video games unplayable with patches, to the fucking /pol/ of all places.

>>713806002
If it was about fucking ferrets, I'm sure you would.

>>713806053
>SKG shill loves reddit
yea we already knew that

>>713806238
You won't get paid more for posting this, visajeet.

>>713805384
Yeah corporate bootlickers tend to be pedophile troons

>>713806238
>third world ESL-kun doesn't understand the implication behind the words "more than"

>>713806238

>>713805803
Touche, you do need to be able to setup a server and manage storage, but again, this is basic sys admin stuff.
You also raise an interesting point:
>because you have some hack to make it work with that jank sdk aws shit out.
I believe SKG passing might be a forcing function to improve code quality, especially on the infra side, either because they need an end-of-life plan OR because people running the stuff after end-of-life will show the mess they got and how they managed to get it up and running.

>>713805739
>can't restrict your freedom of speech (releasing the game)
Tell that to Bell Labs when they were forced to give up their lines to competitors. You're prevented from the releasing the game, only fined when you don't comply
>the government can't force you to speak (releasing the server binaries)
Tell that to the FCC requiring numerous regulations and information companies must disclose. Again, you're not forced but you are fined.

Companies have to comply with regulation that prevents them from releasing dangerous or disingenuous products all the time. Ask automakers to standup for their right to free speech by releasing cars without seatbelts and airbags

>its too much work for devs to figure out setup structure that could support fan operated servers after the main servers shut down
And yet the Ultima Online still operates the 7 fan servers nonstop since 1997

It's good that this debacle will finally kill whatever support jason has left

>>713806545
There was one other precedent when a company actually handed the reins over the the fanbase. Wasn't it the City of Heroes Online? Their biggest private server got an okay from the publisher and even some support. It was given official greenlight, by fucking NCsoft of all companies.

>>713806482
>I believe SKG passing might be a forcing function to improve code quality, especially on the infra side
100% and I think large companies involved in these spaces will likely spearhead technical initiatives or even roadmaps to make this easier for smaller developers. Akin to AirBnb styles guides or Facebook releasing React.
But, the point that diagram was getting across is that there are challenges.

Why aren't tobacco companies allowed to advertise the health benefits of smoking cigarettes?

>>713806545
Just leaving fans free to distribute files and create their own servers would already be a leap in game preservation.
The largest threat is legal, not technological.

>>713806302
>>713806413
>>713806452
>n-no you're Indian!
transparent and pathetic

>>713770774 (OP)
Every publisher must support all the online-only games even long after there isn't anyone left playing them and why that's a good thing.

>>713806545
You see anon, I was born in 2001 so basically doesn't count. Anything that happened prior to me being born never happened because I lack the brain power to imagine a world existing without me.

>>713770774 (OP)
You are a retard and the specifics would be discussed with actual governing bodies and a conclusion would be reached. You and pirate are cut from the same pseud retard clothe.

>>713806729
>you can call him a corporate bootlicker, a pedo, a troon, it will run off him like water
>but call him an indian and watch him recoil in horror and shock - I've been found out!

>>713770997
Duelyst was good but they REALLY went overboard and just literally gave EVERYTHING to anybody interested. I wouldn't put that as a standard solely because that's not even be feasible for most games.

>>713806632
Unfortunately I doubt it. You always have retards who love other retards with a big mouth, no matter how much retarded shit they spew. Sure, most other streamers won't want to deal with his retardation but he'll always have a few sycophants.

>>713806545
Surely nothing has changed, technically, since 1997 and now

>>713806729
Brown and covered in shit.

BRING ON THE GREAT CRASH
I CALL UPON THE NAMES OF THE FORBIDDEN ONES:
ATARI
COLECO
3DO
HUDSON
SEEEEEGAAAAA

>>713773113
Duelyst 2 exists. But even then due to this >>713806857 people just made their own Duelyst games everywhere, including one that just plays in your browser (duelyst.gg).

>>713806053
how do you think they get paid

agreeing with that retarded faggot is a good indicator you're also a retarded faggot.

>>713806960
The industry can still be corrected.

TOTAL INDUSTRY DEATH

>>713807072
It can. In fact, it's best to correct it before another crash occurs and this would go a long way to make things better for everyone as it will incentivize publishers to switch to long term thinking, but spite and greed tends to overshadow reason.

>>713806647
>Akin to AirBnb styles guides or Facebook releasing React.
It's strange, I haven't heard any case-studies from game developers(aside from the one you posted just now) running live service stuff or seen libraries/services specifically made to solve MMO problems as opposed to FAANG companies who seem to drop their new secret sauce every quarter. I feel like there's huge potential in writing something for player/world management, especially something to handle rollbacks, which not even New World could(or was willing) to do DESPITE being directly under Amazon. Also sharding worlds akin to what Star citizen suggested.

Then again, I haven't looked into cloud architecture from a gaming perspective, so maybe I'm just ignorant.

>>713771095
preformed by whom?

>>713783562
Spellbreak was a GaaS battle royal failure, but when the devs were bought by Blizzard and the game shut down, they released a version of the game on itch.io where you could host servers and all the microtransactons were just unlocked. Problem solved

>>713807181
>Then again, I haven't looked into cloud architecture from a gaming perspective, so maybe I'm just ignorant.
I'm in the same boat. YT showed me that spacetime.db video and thought it was neat. I agree that there's a pretty serious gap out there that could fill that niche.
Would be cool to see what comes out of this if the corporations' hands were forced

>>713806895
Anything is possible if publishers and developers stop melding with fan projects. I've played a 2001 single player rpg Gothic converted into a MMO around 2020, because some madlad was willing to gut out the entire engine and rework it with new modern script. And this could happen because gamedevs attitude was "we give no fucks, do whatever you want with your game". There are other people turning it into a VR (yeah I know, VR is a meme tech) experience, all this elements did not even existed two decades ago and yet people can work it as a feature into this old ass game because they can.
Saying that modern games are more complex is such bullshit cope out, code is not made from fucking arcane magic runes, even if it takes week/month/year for people to understand what part of the configuration needs to be changed or added it's only matter of time for some dude to find the solution.

>>713807417
>SKG is passed
>Game companies have to make end-of-life plans
>First couple of MMOs go offline, release their end-of-life packages
>People get their hands on it, tear them apart, blog about it, improve the systems, start writing their own libraries and wrappers to make things easier
>These people get jobs at MMO companies
>They recommend companies release tools as open-source, citing their own experience and silicon valley practices for good measure, argue that they have to have an end-of-life plan anyway so may as well reap the benefits of a more transparent architecture
>Everyone joins in, problems get better documentation, more libraries/components are written, more live-service games are made and improved.
SKG will save live-service.

It's fucking ridiculous how Norwegians can't vote. We literally are in the EU, just not in Brussels

I genuinely hope this movement fails, seeing zoomers seethe over kusoge abandonware becoming lost media is fucking hilarious. Its dogshit slop that they want to preserve because they paid for said dogshit slop. Go get bent.

>>713808101
bro doesn't understand the EU

>>713770774 (OP)
I support this because I despise that smug ferret raping faggot and Jews in general.

>>713808112
Your favorite games will become lost media too and I hope you'll fucking kill yourself when it does.

>>713808240
nobody actually cares about playing old dead games
this entire movement is built around The Crew

>>713808112
People like you are exactly whats wrong with the world, you just want to see people feel bad to spite them just because you dont agree with them on what they like. Types like you always ruin every movement with that spite and end up co-opting it into something far more sinister. Genuinely please go fuck yourself.

>>713808305
So you can't agree to something unless you feel personally invested in the initial event that started the thing?
That's interesting.

>mfw my childhood games are all on solid media and also CS 1.6 and Warcraft III which I have both cracked and preserved for all times


Sucks to be you fags. You will NEVER play your favorite game from your childhood unlike me. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH I love the tears this situation is causing

>>713808240
>>713808384
My favorite game is Ninja Gaiden 2, that shit wont become lost media so long as every crackhead fan in this community still breathes. I dont care that your GaaS kusoslop gets raped and forgotten, blow your brains out zoomoid.

>>713808450
you got me, I only care about things that I actually care about

>>713808450
NTA but yes and seeing you fags crashout makes it even more funny, keep seething your slop is irrelevant and should stay dead and forgotten.

>>713808504
I'm pretty sure there are at least some games that are impossible to run legally but have pirated versions.

>>713808710
>I'm pretty sure there are at least some games that are impossible to run legally but have pirated versions.

A BUNCH of them actually. Piracy allowed me to watch movies not made for our market and play games that I could never afford.


But then again maybe this is good. Maybe after some global catastrophe people will be left only with PS2 level consoles and then everyone will be in the golden age again.

>>713808575
You don't seem to understand the nuance in my previous post. Tell me a few things you actually care about and I'll reply with some more concrete examples of what I mean.

>>713770774 (OP)
Buy an ad

>>713778509
Just update the game and release the tools so PLAYERS can HOST THEMSELVES fucking idiot

>>713795785
No wonder Blizzard went down the gurgler when they hire retards like this dude
How this dude got popular I will never understand

>>713808575
This just tells everyone you're too retarded to deal in hypotheticals, or basic reasoning.