Are Visual Novels as a Medium ACTUALLY Dying?

interesting that you would make something that isn't about gameplay on the video game imageboard

>>713774354 (OP)
Not really.
They just evolved and have more visuals than x number of pngs in a row.

>>713774354 (OP)
Honestly they dont have long left.
Give it a year or two and AI Chat bots will replace them.
AI Chat bots are already better conversation and storytelling, only thing holding it back at the moment is locking picture generation mid-conversation behind paywalls and it takes too long.
Itll get quicker then eventually seemless once the tech gets better.

>>713774354 (OP)
they've reached their perfect form. Think Battle Tendency.

>>713774354 (OP)
A lot of the most legendary VN companies in Japan either straight up went bankrupt over the past decade or tried to pivot to making gachaslop and eventually went bankrupt anyway because it turns out you can't make low budget gachaslop and have it succeed when you're competing against chinks and koreans with AAA budgets.

>>713774354 (OP)
Yes, since the early 2010s.

>>713774354 (OP)
If anything, Visual Novels are going through a bit of a Renaissance recently because the success of the switch mans that developers want to rerelease or remake a lot of their classics, like with Tokimemo and ToHeart

And on the flip side, you have other games Fate and also ToHeart that are receiving official english translations for the first time ever

I think about 5 years ago things seemed extremely grim for VNs. And they're still on a bit of shaky ground, but at least for right now the future of the genre seems hopeful.

>>713775473
I thought Aquaplus is going under and has to sell the company sooner or later

>>713774354 (OP)
VNs in general just have bad writing, and I think basically anyone except for deeply entrenched weebs can recognize that. They are too long and filled with very repetitive moments and cliche characters.

Just read real books; they are better.

>>713774354 (OP)
I wasn't aware they were still alive.

>>713774629
Yeah AI chat bots are insane. It made a fanfic where I killed Shirou, took Avalon from his dead carcass, then summoned Saber. Then I used command spells to rape her. This is the future of Visual Novels

>>713774354 (OP)
It's already dead retard, narrative eroge died a decade ago because niggers pirate them
companies like nitroplus jumped ship, I think the only one that's left is the one that's making Nukitashi

Yeah because Doki Doki Literature Club flopped am I right

>>713775473
Throwing mindless remasters and remakes for old fags is a sign of a death genre, shmups died because of this.

>>713774354 (OP)
buy an ad

>>713776190
Damn. That's max chuuni.

>Save Visual Novels... Itou Makoto..!

>>713776190
I created a bot that's a cloning facility that generates testing chambers full of anyone's fetishes, and it pulls your fetishes from your bio.
One ive been having fun with is a succubus that visits you each night.

This shit's honestly gunna replace VNs in a few years and I'm looking forward to it.
/tg/ is already sweating that basically all D&D campaigns are just ChatGPT now, not to mention you can play on your own online with an AI chatbot that knows all the rules and comes up with a campaign, lore, worldbuilding, an economy and characters on its own

>>713774354 (OP)
Arcsys and Nintendo just announced a new VN?

New game made by the devs who made Sayonara o Oshiete after two-decade-long inactivity was alright

>>713774354 (OP)
It's because Visual Novels as a concept don't really exist in the west, at least to the degree they've been developed in the east. Most westerners see vns as ironic or cringe, and the most popular vns in the west is shit.

There's also the move to add more gameplay sequences to vns, or to simplify them down to give dialogue and context without putting in the work, like Persona games do.

>>713774354 (OP)
About ten years ago, yes.
What VNs are people actually looking forward to? The most high-profile ones I can think of are Tsukihime Remake Part 2 (which will probably release sometime in the 22nd century) and Steins;Gate Reboot (MAGES' last gasp before they turn the lights off).

>>713774629
Chatbots essentially have no way of making stories as complex and as possibly compelling as human writers however. They are only as good as the guy behind the prompts (the user). They also have many built in aversions and are extremely tight on structures of writing so that also restricts their abilities.

TLDR nah

>>713777407
>They are only as good as the guy behind the prompts (the user)
There are websites where you type in what you want, and the AI gives you back the perfect min-maxxed prompt for what you want.

Purityfags killed the romance genre

Play 2236 A.D!

>>713777562
Is there a way to feed the whole VN script to an AI and it creating scenarios based on that?

>>713777562
I'd rather not waste my time reading something predictable

>>713774354 (OP)
No since they were a niche medium from start.

>>713777949
>Is there a way to feed the whole VN script to an AI and it creating scenarios based on that?
short answer, yes.
my brother is an AI prompt wizard and he's currently uploading every Cyberpunk rule book and supplementary for the tabletop game so he can create a bot for us that will DM Cyberpunk RED for us. We did some play tests last week and its running well so far.

>>713776726
>/tg/ is already sweating that basically all D&D campaigns are just ChatGPT now
The point of DnD is to play it with your friends though.

>>713774354 (OP)
Bump

There's an endless amount of visual novels that I haven't touched out there. I don't think that matters to me.

>>713774354 (OP)
Why isn't this thread getting deleted?

VN's AREN'T GAMES!

They are animated books that you need to click once to advance the story.

That's it!

>>713774354 (OP)
They still exist and will continue to exist, but VNs and any other niche anime-inspired entertainment will struggle with how modern otaku seemingly only care about gacha games and vtubers.

>>713778082
This, they are also very cheap to make. VN's are never going to completely die, that's just fucking stupid. Also fuck AI slop. I'd rather blow my brains out.

>>713777407
>no way of making stories as complex and as possibly compelling as human writers
People were saying the same thing about hands. AI has been consistently blowing past what people keep trying to say it will never do. The goalposts don't even have time to settle.

>>713785285
>People were saying the same thing about hands. AI has been consistently blowing past what people keep trying to say it will never do saar.

>>713775595
nah, they are still doing well,people dont bother to explain why they are selling Aquaplus

>>713774354 (OP)
You tell me.

>>713774354 (OP)
ange NEEDS to kill himself

>>713774354 (OP)
Its less dying and more evolving into a much shitter form (gacha)
Traditional ones are definitely declining hard and the remaining devs are barely putting out anything, shutting down, making shitty ones, etc., but the storytelling format itself is still going strong in gachashit.
And you may not like it but they are actually more popular than ever in the west, in the unfortunate form of ironic parodies and daz weg shit, but they still are vns. japanese eroge on the other hand are on their way out, everything notable from japs is just all ages now and only small indie devs who at most sell like 500 copies on dlsite will still give you porn vns

how dare this faggot post put my wife in a thumbnail.

>>713774354 (OP)
>>713775185
fpbp
/thread

>>713774354 (OP)
There were an uptick in popularity in the west between 2014 and 2021 thanks to Katawa Shoujo, but it completely died out. Now, it's just specific VN that gets to be read.

>>713774629
Until ai can overcome content filtering and remember story structures, it won't overcome visual novels. It's only a matter of time before some virgin codelet figures both of them out and I'd be spiteful to say it'll happen in 10 years time, but seeing as how fast this tech is moving I'm putting it at a year or two at the most.

>>713784889
you posted the wrong girl, don't worry, these things happen

>>713786413
I know which girl I posted, good sir.

>>713785372
Your anger cannot stop it.

>>713774354 (OP)
>Make visual novel
>Small playerbase
>Small profit
>Has to ship out finished product
>Payment processors hate you
>Steam hates you because you're Japanese

Meanwhile gacha:
>Large playerbase
>Large profit because the fraction of the players/gambling addicts are encouraged to make spend 1,000,000x more than normal people
>Never have to ship finished product, can announce EoS if the game looks like not profitable
>Playstore don't give a shit about the content of your game
>Payment processors love your big money
No wonder they're all jumping off to gacha.

>>713785984
Yes, context is a major problem.
Everybody currently lies and posts those needle in the haystack tests.
In my opinion the quality overall severely degrades fast at even 2k tokens in. Repetition is just the cherry on top.
The fresher the better. Thats why the recent reasoning models sometimes loose the plot of what you actually asked them to do in the first place.

Didnt the comfyui guy say his goal is to make a vn generator wants tech is good enough? Thats what he posted in /g/ 2 years ago anyway.
I think image wise we are pretty much there already. You can put the same characters in different scenarios.

Its frustrating because it feels "close" since a while now.
But once we reach there I am convinced AI will get better at catching certain vibes than the OGs.
I saw many ties how the original people come together again for a sequel and...its garbage.
Imagine if you can just prompt a 90s japan vn game.

>>713774354 (OP)
No
You can't kill that which has no life
Also peep the giant amount of stein's gate sales that are going to happen from this shit steam sale.
Next irrelevant time wasting question

>>713774354 (OP)
Aquaplus dying genuinely bummed me out but in all honestly I haven't read a single VN in like a year or 2 now so I can't exactly say it's not warranted.

>>713786803
I just wanna go back man...
Couple of weirdos making games for other weirdos...
I was laughed at for getting the news online when I was in HS. Normies fuck up everything.

>>713777583
I am. the translation is horrible though, tons of mistakes.
Hopefully the game picks up again after this questionable part

>>713786914
>stein's gate
I tried Anonymous;Code recently and it was pure garbage. Thats the latest in the science series right?
Kinda felt like a westoid wrote it.
Is it because more than half of japs are on X? Its all the same stuff now.
Not sure I even want more of this stuff.

>>713786808
It got a lot better with RAG and function callers, even proper use of non-static lorebooks would in part solve some of these issues, the problem is that frontends like SillyTavern don't allow you to use these tools in the depth required to make a substantial difference. JS hacks can kind of help with that, but not really. I've been trying to put something decent together myself for dev reasons, but it's by no means perfect. Take a look into BEEAI if you're interested, it's a decent framework made by IBM that gives you some okay access to these tools. It doesn't show well in the pic, but it allows the model to parse your message for input to some function you define, and you can write code that does the thinking for it (eg.: looking up something in a memory database) so that the AI does fewer asspulls. Or really your function can do pretty much anything you want, like interface with a game if you code a proxy server.

>>713786626
>demon cumdump for 500 years while trapped in the void

>>713787263
Ah and I should also mention "self-steerers", something they've been trying to get to work through different approaches like during encoding or inference, but it's either way too costly or it just plain doesn't work outside some very specific case. The best I've seen so far is called LLaMPPL, but there too you have to write the code that solves the problem, it just gives you some high levels tools to do so, like constraining the AI to use or not use certain words, or to use them in a specific format.

>>713774354 (OP)
if your a fan of VN you already have multiple lifetime of content, how the fuck do you compete against previous game ?

>>713787338
She wasn't raped for 500 years, she went forward in time at the same time as Haruka. And Narika gets more rape scenes than her, who's the cumdump here?

>>713785090
retarded newfag

>>713788469
My narika was never raped. Seems like a skill issue.

>>713785218
>>713785825
I don't think the gacha model is sustainable, as >>713775289 pointed out it's increasingly becoming overrun by higher quality games that small vn companies simply can't compete with.
Besides the visual novel format is quite unique and relatively cheap to make which pretty much guarantees that it's going to be sticking around.

>>713774354 (OP)
I see people play a lot of furry visual novels?