Where they boys become men

>>713789090 (OP)
No I didn't because I played Rogue so I was stealthed the entire time

my vanilla server was 90% horde so this never happened to me

why do the overwhelming majority of WoW players roll on PVP servers and then complain about and refuse to engage in PVP?

>>713789492
you won't get it since you were on the training wheels mmo

>>713789090 (OP)
IT AIN'T ME
IT AIN'T ME

I dont get it, is this some zone where people did pvp gank shit or something?

pvp megaservers aren't vanilla wow
the in real 2005 wow there might only be 2 other level 60s in your high level zone other than people heading to dungeons

>>713789492
The same reason they play WoW, mental retardation

>>713789492
Same reason /v/ dickrides arena shooters but nobody in here plays them. Everyone wants to pretend they're 1337 gamerz without actually putting in the effort.

>>713789971
t. undeniable baby that couldn't cut it on full loot mmos

>>713789090 (OP)
Every time I got ganged here I then gained at least 4 horde in return. Good times.

>>713789090 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnRWz6g3zOY&ab_channel=MoronicMinds

>>713789971
There is nothing 1337 about wowowaca

>>713790189
Holy fuck the autospelling
Ganked*

>>713789090 (OP)
Oh yeah? getting killed by bored max levels is not my idea of a coming of age ritual

>>713790019
>full loot mmos
Of which there has never been a successful one.

>>713789492
take your pick: mental illness stockholme syndrome low iq

>my friends are on the server
>it's the most populated server
>i don't want to play on a dead server
are the usual standard responses on why they don't roll off the server
>pvp is just ganking
>higher levels are only able to kill lower levels
>no one can level properly because of pvp
>people never take fair fights
is the usual complaint

been the same for 20+ years. i wish they would just all die in real life

where men become slightly less retarded men

>>713790349
eve online? sure it's a soulless husk now but it had its time in the sun.

>>713790349
eve is pretty successful

>>713790349
of course there was, but they required social skills which were lost because of your generation's pollution
you can imagine ultima online, but you weren't capable of surviving there

>>713789492
Open-world PvP is fun only at the very beginning, when everyone is still leveling. When level 60s start roaming around level 30 zones because they have nothing better to do in the game, that's when it becomes ass. So a month or two into the server life.

>>713790628
It's also not fun on games that were "solved" over a decade ago, and everyone farms Best-in-slot for 10 hours every day or pays a service to do it for them.

There is a drastic power difference between someone who knows what loot to get and an ignorant player who just puts on whatever he gets.

>>713790019
Full loot is retarded and every MMO that tried it is irrelevant for a reason (why the fuck would anyone invest time in a game like that)

>be alliance-hating, horde-supporting human warrior
>call up my max level horde buddies
>organize a falseflag operation where I gather up low level alliancefags and tell them to roam together and gank hordies
>my buddies hide near the nesingwary camp, one of them doesn't
>scream FOR THE ALLIANCE as I charge and unequip my weapon
>alliancefags charge as well, they don't do any damage (I am the highest level)
>hordechads come out of hiding
>slaughter ensues
lmao

>>713789219
based, i was druid so i had this plus a human radar

>>713789090 (OP)
kikes really butchered the game letting bots and gold sellers take over. Imagine playing wsg so a dude who spends 100$ on potions every day can run circles around you and 3 other players.

>>713790790
the existence of eve alone proves your opinion has no value

>>713790834
kek
social manipulation is still pvp

>>713790991
>eve
>relevant

>>713790790
i was there, you cannot be there because of the group you exist among
but that's expected, you'll never understand

>>713790413
>No! Don't uninstall please!
it's afraid

>>713790019
Nigger nobody ran out the west of brit without my consent, hundreds had to take the long way around north if they didn't own a boat.
>>713790198
PvE servers definitely were stigmatized for being for crybabies, ironically until asmongold got so mindbroken by world pvp in classic that he told everyone he'd only play on pve servers from then on.

>>713791048
it's relevant to people with good taste and patience

>>713791180
>Nigger nobody ran out the west of brit without my consent
yes i'm suuuuuuuuure that's how it went down
proof you weren't there

>>713791049
I was there for Everquest PVP servers. The only people who actually played on them either didn't know better or else knew it was a complete waste of time (they were)

>>713791180
>PvE servers definitely were stigmatized for being for crybabies
Ironic that it turned out to be the complete opposite, because PvM enjoyers stayed in their lane while the actual cretins shit up PvP servers.

>>713789090 (OP)
I'm sure open world pvp was fun back in the day but with the current state of classic it's fucking aids. People don't take fights they can't win, so it purely exists for lame shit and griefing.

And unless you're a total loser who plays WoW all fucking day all the time (literally more autistic than actual NEETs who play games all day), you're going to get griefed more than you grief. It's a net negative amount of fun.

>>713789698
>people heading to dungeons

>>713790750
Solved or not, it's just not well designed. There's nothing in the open-world worth fighting for, griefers aren't punished.

Old-school Lineage 2 used to have open-world PvP as well, but people fought for a reason (over resources: control of farming zones or bosses, there were no instances in the game), and the karma system prevented high-level players from running around in low-level zones oneshotting everyone just for fun.

>>713791853
>There's nothing in the open-world worth fighting for
>but people fought for a reason
the reason is PvP

>>713789492
Because the community believes that PvP servers have the better players. Which of course is a self-fulfilling prophecy. So they endure the shit open world experience to be able to play with better players in PvE.

>>713790357
>>pvp is just ganking
>>higher levels are only able to kill lower levels
>>no one can level properly because of pvp
>>people never take fair fights
All of these are objectively true.

>>713791832
>sitting in brm killing people who are just trying to walk past to get to raid
Don't any of you fags actually play the game? This isn't world pvp. It isn't even funny because it's such a short deathrun.

>>713790991
Ah yes, EVE, the game that has a billion safeguards against the very thing you're advocating for, where only the absolute biggest newbie falls victim to it at this point.

>>713789090 (OP)
more like where boys became fat retards posting about a 20+ year old raped carcass of a video game

>>713791471
Yeah, open world PvPers were happiest when everyone was clueless and grossly overestimated their chances all the time. Truly random.

>>713792092
>This isn't world pvp
It quite literally is, and has always been, since the very beginning of WoW.

>>713789492
No one complained about WPVP until blizzard added cross realms

>>713792063
if any of that bothers you then don't play on those servers
>b-b-but then no one would play!
good, that's not my fucking problem. roll pve
>>713792109
this is a post trammel world so nothing you typed to me has any merit.

>>713792213
>if any of that bothers you
That was not the point. You wrote it as if any of those things were not objectively true. They are.

>>713792163
No man, world pvp is when your group fights another, equally strong group over shit that actually matters, such as a black lotus or quest mobs. Faggots in 60 gear with consumes trying to cock block the alliance from getting into MC wqith world buffs is not world pvp. Sad that you don't seem to know what that's like because it is quite fun on the rare occasion it occurs

>>713792263
>No man, world pvp is when your group fights another, equally strong group over shit that actually matters
Never been the case, ever. Go play PvP MMOs if you want that.

>>713792248
>You wrote it as if any of those things were not objectively true
and in my response, did I make any claims contrary?

>>713792318
You certainly seemed to be projecting something, and I don't know why.

>>713792385
have the (You) you so desperately crave

>>713791939
Yes, that's what I said: it's PvP for the sake of PvP. It's wasting everyone's time.
In Lineage 2 you fought over world-bosses that spawned once every X days. People killed each other to gain access to a very limited resource.

In WoW anything valuable is instanced. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it was never designed to be a PvP game and it shows.

>>713792092
while you might recognize you're a bad boy doing bad things and should probably be punished, but you keep at it because its the constant high adrenaline you wouldn't get anywhere else

it's why the troll threads and bbc in OP exist

>>713789090 (OP)
Look out for Charlie’s up in the trees

>>713792745
Charlie's what?

>>713792791
Charlie's bed and breakfast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFj6T9lOtM

>>713792576
>It's wasting everyone's time.
Everyone assigns values to their own time differently. Just because you think it's a waste of time doesn't mean everyone else does.
>In Lineage 2 you fought over world-bosses
You keep going back to objective based PvP like it's the end all be all. Games like Operation Flashpoint, MoHAA, Counterstrike, Unreal Tournament, Cawwadoodies etc. are all PvP games that inherently don't have any other objective in mind for players to compete in that isn't "Kill the Enemy to Win". And these types of video games haven't changed that ethos of game design and have still remain largely popular. Guess what MMORPGs with PvP were designed around?

PvP is literally killing the other player to win. That's it. It doesn't need any ascribed value or reward to it if the player finds reward in deleting the other player from his screen. If you personally don't find value in that then don't play it.

>>713793097
What is it about stealth classes that attracts the absolute worst delusional shit minglers.

>>713793186
>PvP is literally killing the other player to win
This oversimplified view of PvP is why PvP is dead. It is human nature to require objectives and rewards for whatever it is they're doing. Tell PvEers that the killing of the boss itself is the reward, why would they need loot from it on top of that, and watch how quickly your PvE scene dies. The same is true for PvP.

>>713793314
You can tell PvMers to fucking kill themselves for all I care. It's clear that we'll never see eye to eye on this so I'm going to agree to disagree.

>>713793186
In those games you need to kill the enemies in order to win the match. In WoW, if you kill someone in the open-world you win nothing, you just waste time. Unless you're leveling in that area and they're stealing the same mobs you're trying to kill, which is why I also said "Open-world PvP is fun only at the very beginning, when everyone is still leveling" >>713790750

And the games you mentioned also have objectives: in Counter Strike your goal is to plant the bomb, not to kill the entire enemy team. People killing each other is a consequence of that.

>>713793824
Whoops, I meant >>713790628
>Open-world PvP is fun only at the very beginning, when everyone is still leveling. When level 60s start roaming around level 30 zones because they have nothing better to do in the game, that's when it becomes ass. So a month or two into the server life.

>>713793824
Would WoW pvp have been more fun if it was like Runescape where you dropped your inventory upon death?

>>713793929
No, this only leads to people avoding PvP as much as possible. Or never using their cool items for fear of losing them.

>>713793929
My god, imagine the rage quits after succesful ganks. Imagine finally getting proper gear and losing all of it on the same day.

>>713793824
Again, it's only a waste of time if you deem it a waste of time. I can repeat this ad nauseam.

It's clear our internal metrics are vastly different.
PvP is where I can actively test my
>mental acuity
>response time/reflexes
>strategem
>hand-to-eye coordination
>knowledge and experience
>my composure and poise under stress
>etc.
against someone else. The reward is the test itself. In the results and the thereafter; how I can better myself to beat an opponent that I cannot beat. Which is why I find fighting scripted AI not as fun as fighting a player. The human element is what drives the interaction into the unknown.
NUMBER GO UP on a spreadsheet is only secondary to me and killing you on screen is my reward. My friends and I are just built different.

>"I've always thought," said Rainsford, "that the Cape buffalo is the most dangerous of all big game."

>"No. You are wrong, sir. The Cape buffalo is not the most dangerous big game."
>"Here in my preserve on this island," he said, in the same slow tone, "I hunt more dangerous game."

>>713794730
And you're looking for all of that in Vanilla WoW? By ganking people who are busy fighting mobs? Play an actual PvP game like a normal human being. Also, if open-world PvP is meaningful or not has nothing to do with how fun or challenging it is, or whatever cringe you just wrote.

>Let's say, for example, only one faction can enter Molten Core each week, either the Horde of the Alliance.
>In order to gain access to the instance, you need to collect Essences of the Firelord. The faction with the most Essences at the end of the week wins.
>To gain these Essences, you need to complete repeatable quests in end-game zones. These quests are the exact same for both factions, they ask you to kill the same mobs. Which means high-level players will all gather in the same zones.
>If you die, enemy players can loot your corpse and steal 20% of the Essences you've collected so far.

There, I just fixed open-world PvP in Vanilla WoW. Now I have a reason to kill other players: I'm not PvPing just because I'm bored, but because there's something meaningful at stake. But Vanilla WoW doesn't have any system like this, ganking and killing someone doesn't have any real consequence. It's a waste of time for everyone involved.

Again, I'm not saying open-world PvP can't be fun. But it's not well integrated with how the rest of the game works, they just slapped PvP on top of a PvE game and called it a day. Not to mention how broken it becomes after the first few months, since high-level players are free to roam in low-level zones 24/7 with zero punishments.

>levelling in duskwood in wrath
>max level hunter killing all the npcs and players in the town
>go on the roof and spam spells until one connects and I get his attention
>jump in the chimney when he follows me up there
>he follows and kills me
>can't get out once he's inside
>can't hearthstone because the guards are poking his toes and interrupting him
>has to wait for his health to slooooowly tick down from level 30 guard auto attacks to be killed and free

>>713789492
world pvp is cool when done right but absolutely not when skulls are being faggots
it's why SoD phase 1 was so good and the rest of it trash

>Where the boys become men
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>713791471
MMOs that aren't built around OWPVP will always suck. People will never play a PVP MMO because dropping all of their gear sounds scary, but it's also the biggest defense against mindless griefing.

>>713789492
Because PvP servers are where all the good players roll.
I hate PvP but I want to be in the best guilds. Only possible on PvP servers.
You also get the added population bonus that comes with streamers. If Soda, Asmon, etc. roll on your PvP server then you're also guaranteed a large player pool.

>>713796574
>And you're looking for all of that in Vanilla WoW?
I did when Classic launched in 2019.
>By ganking people who are busy fighting mobs?
Sure. I fought anyone and everyone. Solo, and with friends. Against a single player, and against a raid of them.

We're just built different than you. I don't need someone else to tell me how to have fun.

>>713796574
cool it down with your ai posts

>>713796610

>>713797269
You can have fun in a game while also admitting it's flawed and could be improved.

>>713797278
I'll take this as a compliment.

>>713790349
OSRS thats why it's poaching every wowtard recently. I never thought wowtards would see the light but the day has come... turns out the WoW killer was hiding amongst us all these years...APOLOGIZE

>>713789492
This is kinda hard to explain to zoomers, but back in the days people didn't want to be seen as faggots. I'm not saying this means people that play on PvE servers are faggots, I'm saying that faggy behavior, like ganking, was looked down upon. In CoD games, people didn't use the noob tube pr camping as they were shamed for using gay tactics. There used to be a honor system in gaming

>>713789492
Well.
Private servers have only PVP realms.
The main problem with world PVP is that it looks cool only on paper as a nice spice up to the game where you might have a surprise pvp moment, but at the end is just guys going after easy kills or assholes using world pvp as tool of griefing.

>>713792263
>how I define world PVP is how everyone else should define world PVP, surely no one can EVER have a difference in opinion

>>713789090 (OP)
Unironically if you play WoW at school hours, STV is a cool place to exp with so many quest, music and zone design.
And nobody ganks you because all gankers are busy being bullied at school.

Normal servers are the game as it was designed, PvP Race War servers are an unfinished meme funserver mode

>>713789492
lurk an RTS thread on /v/ when one pops up again
even the fags here are so afraid of competition and challenge they'll bitch about meta when they're playing at rock bottom bronze mmr 10 APM

https://youtu.be/ZWijx_AgPiA?si=6rVMXFyTtaQ_iQ6F

>>713789090 (OP)
>early cataclysm
>30-something goblin warlock
>in the hills directly above the northern pass that Alliance have to use to enter STV
>would summon the controllable mini-zeppelin from the christmas event to scout out whether anyone was walking through the pass
>any time it was a 1v1 with someone at or below my level, I'd jump down and murder them
>90% of players were never able to find me
My micropenis was erect

>>713800668
"Normal" servers are also kinda retarded because they split the population in half for no reason. You can't interact with the opposite faction in any way, they're basically NPCs.

>>713789492
Because WoW never had open world PvP. What WoW had was high level faggots killing people who don't stand a chance of fighting back. "PvP" allows aggressive Russian children to ruin other people's fun and nothing more. The game wasn't any better for having it.

>>713789698
yeah megaservers completely ruined classic for me, it wasn't the same at all. It fucked up the economy too