Name a flaw

Lots of unused scene that would've been great

>>713793445 (OP)
characters suck
story gets worse and worse and worse as it goes on
combat gets really boring later on

Too long
Not as interesting after the first palace
Silent protagonist
Battle theme gets repetitive after a while
Etc

>name a flaw with a franchise getting turned into normgroid food
jezz, i dunno?

I still need to finish royal, what's a good 100% guide so I can do it all without worrying?

>>713793445 (OP)
>no gacha
thankfully The Phantom X fixed this

Censorship. Because of this
>SL’s never go anywhere “lol love you buddy bff”
>monsters can never cause gore
>themes cannot include real life problems like race or money
>black people are guaranteed to be the MC soon

The series will die if censorship chokes it.

>>713794246
As long as you're levelling up confidants everyday you'll do fine
Save up 100k for the back alley fortune teller, she gives you bonus confidant exp everyday
there's literally no way you can miss out on 100% run unless you're a woman

>>713793445 (OP)
No Kawakami sex scene.

>>713793445 (OP)
>Name a flaw
No full blown sex scene with Tae Takemi, no ability to shove Morgana and akechi into a blender so we don't have to hear from either of them ever again.

>>713793445 (OP)
A few palaces get annoying/tedious after a while, but the game overall is still a 9/10.

>>713793445 (OP)
It's unironically too good, Atlus is never going to top it and everything they've put out since has failed to live up to it.

>>713793445 (OP)
Makoto is a snitch

>>713796412
Yes but she's our snitch

>>713793445 (OP)
It's the worst-written mainline persona game.
>muh phansite
>the main party has no fucking plan beyond "hey let's go after this sleezebag"
>party never looks into what the fuck is going on beyond the cat having some vague calling toward mementos (remember all those spooky subway deaths? lol we don't either!), lucking into it being plot-relevant with no indication that real shit is going down even when it's a blatant 1:1 to Tartarus
>morgana being a pissy faggot and always starting fights with ryuji, crying like a bitch and having a melty because his role as navi got taken and leaving the party for forced drama (unlike mitsuru or teddie) with constant shitflinging (99% morgana's fault) being a problem that should have been addressed far earlier than it was
>everyone is a fucking retard from the moment Makoto joins so that she can act as the token smart character
>Haru is one of the worst cases of "late game party member" that SMT/Persona has as a series
>the royal's issues

For comparison with the main "popular" persona games
>P3 had Shadows on full moons for ages before "The Fall" was officially a thing, more and more people were were getting directly killed or becoming soulless husks, actual catch 22 "you're fucked" situation because of the nature of the dark hour
>P4 had the serial killer murder mystery with fakeouts/twists and a gradual progression into the world being swallowed by a death fog
>P5 has you being told/shown about subway accident deaths and that something spooky is going on, but instead let's focus on a pedo gym coach, a plagarist artist, and some drug dealer instead!
The plot goes from "hell yeha we're the next Lupin III" to "oh no our heckin likes quick let's change another heart!", with the entire game being about angry teens seething at adults (and their cope of rebelling as an excuse to thrash around and hope for the best as they make objectively bad decisions again and again). The phantom thieves are glazed as fuck by Atlus too.

>>713793895
>>713797575
The only part I liked about the story was the twist that they knew aketchi was a rat
In hindsight, a lot of the story's problems would be fixed if makoto was removed and morgana was either removed or completely rewritten, haru can be added earlier because of that too.

Flaws:
>NO PHANTOM THIEVES IRL TO SAVE US FROM THESE FUCKING MORONIC FUCKERS
>hurrdurr no just make change in small ways to get other people to change FUCK YOU HOW IS BEING FRIENDS WITH THE PHO OWNER DOWN THE STREET SUPPOSE TO HELP ME FUCKING TAKE DOWN THIS SHITTY ASS GOVERNMENT FILLED WITH CORRUPT JEETS
>but seriously I think the ending would've been sweeter with Joker still in jail but about to be released rather than Joker getting released pretty quickly and then Morfuckyoueatshityoustupidcat takes all your glory. Hmm, sorry I read G Senjou no Maou recently.

Non atlasfag here
Heard great things about it
Turns out it's just
> you're a highschool student also it's Sucker Punch or some gay shit

>>713793445 (OP)
You make this thread every day is a parental flaw

>>713793839
What the hell's happening here? And why is it in Chinese?

wait... useless????

>>713797575
You completely forgot about how the flash forwards to Sae and Joker Persona before every single major plot point to tell you what's going to happen, and they way they force it in every single time you get a new social link

>>713797575
Retard.

>>713799167
This narrative device really adds nothing to the game, yeah. Atlys did it because they thought it was stylish, but didn't think it through.

When I've watched people play Persona (mostly the Giant Bomb P4 Endurance Tun, but I watched a friend play P4), a lot of the best moments come from the anticipation of social links or plot points. If you just tell the player what happens next, all you're doing is ruining that for them and making the build-up feel like tedium.

>>713799420
Name a flaw

>>713799167
Yeah that was also a problem, but I hit the character limit and didn't feel like making a whole extra post just for that and a few other unmentioned problems that the game's writing had, even for Persona's standards.

>>713799420
>no comeback for any of the reasonable critiques
motherfucker even the normies were bitching about morgana being a cunt

>>713797575
The problem is they clearly had a matured story set for P5, but clearly were in dev hell since it was announce on the PS3 and ended up being delayed so long that the PS4 had been out for like a year by that point. Clearly that was the beginning of NuAtlus staff taking reigns on projects since it was more inline with the #FE crap in terms of plot and characters. Atlus as we knew them are dead and the sooner people realize that the new staff have no talent and will never hold a candle to the original main staff that lasted till P4.

>>713793445 (OP)
>Tutorial goes on forever
>Only one music track for all the mobs
>Story drags out in the end
Still a great game, but not one I would replay.

>>713799794
>Even the normies

Maybe you should go back

>>713793445 (OP)
It's an entirely made left winged game with various undertone left leaning propaganda designed to manipulate the average japanese person and inforce a viewpoint that goes against hundreds of years of progress

>>713797575
>a pedo gym coach
I've always thought that the funniest part about this is that kawakami exists and completely invalidates the first segment of the game with her social link
There are so many parts of Persona 5 that felt like they had multiple writers who forgot to talk to each other.

>>713793445 (OP)
Too gay

>>713793445 (OP)
i thought i was going to play a comfy jrpg but instead i got highschool dating simulator made for people that missed out on highschool love.
not for me

Is Ambitious and Visions the best P5 opening?
Don't think it's the best Persona opening since that goes to Dance!

>>713793445 (OP)
Awful characters
Boring story
Music sucked

>>713800235
>highschool dating simulator made for people that missed out on highschool love.
this message sounds a bit insincere and insecure. I don't really believe this anon tried to play the game and immediately seethed the moment he saw some life sim stuff.
just my thoughts.

>>713800034
Like what and why the fuck should I care if some foreign country becomes left-wing? Hell japan has been uber-liberal since the 80s

>>713798187
G Senjou no Maou would have been better if the child was not his and he was left all alone

>>713800598
i'm still heavily debating if I like the twist or not. it literally pingpongs between, eh it's whatever to THIS IS STUPID CONTRADICTORY BULLSHIT

>>713793445 (OP)
I can't.

>>713797575
>pedo gym coach
He isn't a pedo. The problem is he's coercive and forces the girls, the girls are 16/7 retard.

>>713800848
7?! what the hecky

>>713793445 (OP)

Haru is at least a Norwood 3

>>713798726
People like the game-ified parasocial aspect. It simulates intimacy without asking the player to do any of the difficult things that intimacy requires.
Case in point, I was living abroad for a year when I was younger and I started unconsciously treating my relationships like social links. It wasn't a conscious decision, I was just very proactive about socializing with both other foreigners and natives because I felt like I had a limited time to build those relationships. In the back of my autistic mind I'd feel like I was leveling up a social link whenever I'd decide to spend the day with this or that person and something interesting happened or we had a deep conversation. Let me put it this way: if Persona 4 were realistic, Kanji would hate the MC for rejecting him even though he's clearly trying to date Chie, Chie would agree to go on a date and then cancel the day before, and Yosuke would betray you at rank 9 when gets blinded by pussy. At no point did I do anything "wrong", but it was a shitshow. Persona treats relationships like a linear treadmill, and that appeals deeply to autists.

>>713801171
>>713798726
this: >>713800318

>>713793445 (OP)
Turn-based combat

>>713801171
The sad thing is the reason P4 and P5 are like that is because people didn't like how volatile P3 social links were so they made them more straightforward instead of more complex.

man some of you guys are turbo normies (actually safe autists) huh

>>713801338
It's just not interesting when you take away the characters' agency and make them feel like accessories for the player character (and by extension, the player). I feel like P4 struck a nice balance, although the male characters obviously have more agency than the girls. I like Yosuke's and Junpei's arcs a lot. Ryuji sucks.

>>713801171
>Yosuke would betray you at rank 9 when gets blinded by pussy.
SOCIAL LINK RANK UP
>Yosuke will now betray you for pussy.

>>713801618
>take a fatal attack in battle
>Yosuke runs over to give you medicine
>gives you poison
>sorry bro, Chariot pussy just hits different ;D

>>713800137
>consensual relationship
vs
>sexual exploitation
Yeah it’s the same thing and totally invalidates it.

>>713801607
What, Ryuji's social link arc is the best of the three by a wide margin.

>>713793445 (OP)
No Morgana sex scene.

>>713793445 (OP)
70% of the game being a flashback from the interrogation room makes the game feel predetermined with zero suspense, and the game trying to obfuscate Akechi as the traitor is laughable. The second he forces his way on the team, you know he's why Joker gets caught.

Just another case of P5 going with style over substance, Fatlus thought it would look cool to start the game in the middle of a heist and didn't consider how it would make the game much worse as a result.

Am I alone in thinking Yusuke fucking sucks? I'd say that it's because he's voiced by Matt Mercer and I can't separate the character from the VA, but I played like 70% of P5 before I even knew who he was, by which point he's had his arc.

Yusuke is like the best guy in the entire group tf

>>713803148
i thought he was voiced by sugita

>>713793445 (OP)
>The theme of freedom doesn't feel as strong as the themes of life/death or truth in P3 and 4.
>"You should just go to bed"
>Story gets less impactful after Kamoshida
>Final boss is a literal who
And as for Royal:
>all new Royal content is shit and drags the game out for 30-40 MORE hours
>They swapped Wake Up Get Up Get Out There for the inferior Colours Flying High
>They swapped Last Surprise for the inferior Take Over

>>713803273
>mfw kira yamato is finally in persona
>mfw he's an actual tool and dies like a bitch
REEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU YOU WASTED POTENTIAL AHHHH FUCK there's not even a P5 fighting game so I can main his ass

>>713793445 (OP)
Lack of gato sexo
Ryuji

I still don't understand why they cut the scenes that showcase the villain's motivations.

>>713803563
They might appear sympathetic, and we can't have that

>>713803228
Maybe I just have shit taste. My favorite S. Links are Junpei and the monk from P3, Yosuke, Chie, and the sexy nurse from P4, and... honestly, nothing really stood out to me in P5, but I hate Futaba and Makoto.

>>713803997
well P5 message is society causes people to be like this. so it kinda helps that message. it's less "sympathetic" it's more people slip and that's it. a "decent" person can break bad easily.

The midgame stretch where the plot doesn't advance at all because it needs a whole dungeon to introduce a new party member is terrible and only picks up again at Sae's casino.

>>713804242
I dropped the game for 6 months during Futaba's introduction

>>713793445 (OP)
P5 was convicted of having a TON of censorship. In addition, the entire plot is unserious and doesn’t address themes of money, per >>713794529. We also need this game to have more diversity so we can boycott it. And the shadows (“monsters”) need to maim and dismember people.

>>713793445 (OP)
The party memeber girls have shitty SLs and the best romances are with non-PT girls who have limited screentime

>>713793445 (OP)
Denuvo.

>>713803391
Unironically would’ve elevated the whole plot if Morgana at least had a tragic arc ending in forbidden gato sexo. Instead we get him meowing about Lady Ann for 90 hours straight and pulling a Deus Ex Bus at the end. Ryuji should’ve stayed dead too, game really couldn’t commit to anything.

>>713802260
>>sorry bro, Chariot pussy just hits different ;D
I mean he ain't wrong

>>713793445 (OP)
Denuvo, been waiting for it to be removed or bundled to play it as I don't buy games with malware

>>713793445 (OP)
Kawakami is the canon love interest and there's no scene of you telling the rest of the gang you've been banging your teacher

>>713807619
>is
isn't

>>713793445 (OP)
cat is one of the worst characters in a newage rpg, rest are not better
story drags
shit smt

Kasumi is the worst P5R girl. Change my mind!

>>713809247
But she's so sweet and loyal

Ann isn't currently 9 months pregnant and bouncing her slutty body up and down on my cock.

>>713809247
That's no Makoto or Ohya

>>713793445 (OP)
P5 introduced normies to the franchise.
Persona fans used to be the prototypical Fatlus neckbeards, now they're eggless Asian women who whine about having options to romance fictional 17 year old girls.

It's a shame when the previous game's girls invalidate the sequels, they're perfect.

>>713793445 (OP)
It's a game about vigilantism where despicable people get off lightly.

>>713793445 (OP)
isnt it chinese?

>>713793445 (OP)
bland and uninteresting characters and mediocre plot

>>713793445 (OP)
No threesome with Takemi and Ohya

So why is it
>SA okay when teacher hot
>SA bad when teacher ugly and has bad hair.

>>713815751
because the girls didn't consent to kamoshida while joker did, retard kun

>>713815836
He's a child, he can't consent.

>>713793445 (OP)
Still Morgana, please stop asking

>>713815891
keep believing that goyim

style over substance weebshit

>>713815914
I fucked Ann in my playthrough just to cuck him.

>>713793445 (OP)
It's not Persona 3 FES
It's not Persona 2
It's not Persona 3
It's not Persona 3 portable
It's not even Persona 4 Golden
Or Persona 4
Or even fucking Persona 1
It's P*rsona 5 the most style over substance videogame I have ever played. And I'm not playing Royal or the mobile game. No thank you.

>>713815751
As long as old women are getting laid and paid, shit’s grade

>>713816171
I'm older that Kawakami, probably.

>>713793445 (OP)
No sex, too dry.

>>713801171
In P3 characters have their arcs without you having to baby them. And their personas changes for the better which is the most unrealistic part about the game.

>>713793445 (OP)
Sumire isn't real nor is she on my dick.

>>713815432

>>713815432
You can't invite lonely Sae to your hag harem orgy

>>713805826
this

>>713793445 (OP)
Protagonist is a homo

>>713819338
>ai
>"some fans"

>>713820435
I fear for the future

>>713820435
If you don't think goro and joker is fujobait you didn't play the game

>>713821772
Baiting fujos isnt the same as actually making characters gay.

>>713819338
>Fans interpret
Those aren't fans, real fans don't want to see faggotry in their series
fuck woke AI

>>713822219
explain kanji then, he's clearly bisexual

>>713793445 (OP)
Half of the people in that pic shouldn't be there

>>713793445 (OP)
If Person 5 is so good then how come there isn't a Persona 6?

Fucking checkmate.

>>713822323
>he's clearly bisexual
Clearly to who you? you are the kind of a person who would think that your father wants to fuck you because he bought you an icecream
you faggots need to be publicly roped

>>713794529
>black people are guaranteed to be the MC soon
AHEM

>>713824135
>you are the kind of a person who would think that your father wants to fuck you because he bought you an icecream
I mean it's not farfetched to think that if that's what you're implying

>>713793445 (OP)
it's a persona game

>>713824268
Persona starts at 3

>>713826653
it also ends at 3