I'm a Sonic fan, did Zelda fans consider this to be a kino moment?

not the fight itself but the build up to it

>>713796612 (OP)
It was pretty kino.

Surprised the reflective room had never been memed since then.

Yeah, dark Link is a fan favorite
He's even an alt costume most spinoff games

>doing this fight after collecting every single heart piece available

>>713796612 (OP)
This game came out in 1998, 2 years after the orinigal quake. Name a single other action game that played, or looked this smooth. Z targeting was brilliant and just worked so well with every animation coming together to make it so seamless and kinetic. It really did make things feel like a dual, a lot of action ps2 games never even came close to feeling this good

>>713799578
>Z targeting was brilliant a
so brilliant that 3d action games still rely on it to function

>>713796612 (OP)
It's kino but at the same time hilariously obviously something they just did to cut corners.

Dark Link being in the water temple doesn't even make thematic sense at all, his AI is also jank as hell and very easy to exploit. So he was clearly just something they put in at the last minute because they didn't have time. Despite this, it's kino and a very memorable fight, which shows how smart the OoT designers were.

>>713801313
>his AI is also jank as hell and very easy to exploit.
Please at least tell me you aren't judging this from playing SoH.

>>713796612 (OP)
>I'm a sonic fan

>>713796612 (OP)
Yeah, it was pretty cool. If you pay attention, when you enter the room, you'll have a reflection in the water that disappears once you pass that tree.

>>713796612 (OP)
The player usually would arrive to this point after using Z-Targeting on every single enemy, so no one would actually consider not targeting Dark Link to stun him with Deku Nuts, or try other weapons like the Megaton Hammer. Additionally, he had the same HP as you, so the more hearts you had, the harder he would be, and he would become more and more aggressive as the fight progressed. I vividly remember having to pack three bottled fairies as a kid just to survive the fight. He's by far the hardest enemy in the game for first-time players.

>>713802667
I'm assuming a mod for this dropped?

>>713796612 (OP)
It was more stressful than anything else first time I fought it

>>713802797
No, it's a shitpost mod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_0syrvX2KM

>>713801313
I don’t think they just did it out of lack of time. The whole atmosphere of the room and fight in itself is far more work than most minibosses which is just 2 standard enemies.
Now for the placement you’re right it was a weird choice for the water temple but where else could he really go, do they instead make a whole minidungeon with a keyitem for him? Or maybe some random fight somewhere in the overworld

>>713802335
You didn't know?

Why was he in the water temple?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGLtLpqNEyc

>>713803056
he's made from Link's piss

>>713802943
>The whole atmosphere of the room and fight in itself is far more work

It's literally just a big empty sea room with a tree inside, it's a cool visual aesthetic, but hardly a lot of work. Lots of iconic things are actually just "we didn't have time to make anything else"

Water temple is easily one of the more satisfying parts of oot, some of the better puzzles with two of the better bosses.
Fire > spirt > water > forest > shadow
The boot thing really isn’t a big deal and now theirs multiple versions that let you install take them off anyways

>>713802943
>where else could he really go
Either the forest temple or the shadow temple.

>>713802051
>Please at least tell me you aren't judging this from playing SoH.
You can easily beat him by just spamming hammer in the vanilla game, the AI gets stunlocked and can't handle it

>>713796612 (OP)
The room was fucking cool, zelda game should do more of this weird stuff.

>>713802051
Not that guy but Dark Link is a fucking mess. Thematically he's wonderful and I think it's great the miniboss of the Water Temple is a pool reflection, but mechanically he's a dumpster fire. His collision is all over the place. Shit goes straight through him sometimes and not just because you fucked up; you can do the same thing and sometimes it'll decide to hit.

People say "just don't Z-target" but it's not that simple. His blocking has a weird relationship with the angle you're facing. Speedrunners know consistent ways to open him up, but the methods are fucking stupid like facing 90 degrees away and throwing a Deku Nut or weird feints with the hookshot. Everyone else just spams Din's Fire, which makes for a really weak boss fight.

The funny thing is Dark Link is from Zelda 2, where he was even worse. Even world record holders just duck in the corner and flail at him

>>713803260
Shadow dungeon sucks dick. Easy ass “puzzles” besides one weird suddenly need to use magic at the end part. Nothing else just cast the spell to burn a texture you never had to burn before
Hardest non boss encounter is 2 stalfos with a short timer before you win anyways when forest threw 3 at you in a more tight space when you had less hearts.
All of the exploring is auto jumps
Bongo bongo is alright but not my favorite dungeon boss or even close desu
Fire is king

>>713801313
>So he was clearly just something they put in at the last minute because they didn't have time.
He was originally in the Forest Temple so no, that was fairly early.

>>713803468
Maybe moved because that was way too early and too challenging of an encounter for new players
To be fair i do think their would be less impact if you fought dark link 5 minutes into being an adult, and every standard enemy would seem so much easier in comparison

>>713802335

>>713796612 (OP)
this fight was extremely buggy on project64. oldfags would know.

Ahhh! The Shadow Temple, the final dungeon in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time before Ganon's Castle.

>>713803635
its buggy on a N64 too

>>713803682
I like shadow last because it means more time link gets to look balled out with mirror shield and gauntlets

>>713803739
I respect the commitment to the swag.

>>713803682
>the final dungeon is the easiest one
Shadow is so rushed lmao

>>713803985
>Shadow is so rushed
It was the second dungeon made for the game actually with Ganon's Castle being the first.

>>713796612 (OP)
It's the only thing resembling an actual duel in the whole game. It was kino.

Wind Waker is better.

>>713805294
I wish it was but its just not, surprised nintendo doesn’t get more shit for shipping an unfinished game

>>713805294
lol xD

>>713796612 (OP)
>I'm a Sonic fan
my condolences

>>713803706
yes but it was like the goto emulator test case. every emulator had issues with that fight until LLE became more fleshed out.

>>713803706
How is it buggy?

Blue Tunic and Big Goron Sword 4eva.

>>713796612 (OP)
I never saw that during my first ~10 or so playthroughs, because I always used the Big Goron Sword, the Hammer, or Din's Fire.

I literally learned of that move of his from Youtube, as an old, hair adult.

>>713799578
Ah yes the combat in this game feels amazing to play.

>>713802051
>>713803405
He was literally designed to be beaten by spamming C items. You can hit him with the sword but its clearly not intentional. People just found autistic weird bugs/exploits to make it work.

>>713801313
You're just a fucking idiot who can't understand themes. His room is a giant void with a huge reflective pool of shallow water. Sheik's dialogue when you learn Serenade of Water is all about people's reflection changing on the water's surface. Dark Link is a reflection of Link. You're just dumb.

>>713803405
I usually just crush him with the biggeron sword
I don't think i've fought him with the master sword since I first played this as a 10 year old and he whooped my ass

>>713809739
>holding forward + mashing B
But he presses Z twice tho?