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>>713799938 (OP)as a CEO he is at the helm of the company that means he is more productive than all the company's workers combined, chud.
>>713799938 (OP)I too, wish to have a company specializing in fucking evil women.
>>713799938 (OP)So? It's not illegal.
whats the solution to the CEO problem?
>>713799938 (OP)guy looks AI generated
>>713799938 (OP)What does someone even do when they make a million dollars a year? I couldn't come up with things to buy if i made that much. Id have everything id ever want in like 2 years.
I find it fascinating how corporations end up becoming sort of cults, mystical organizations. CEOs are just random individuals, and the worst that happens to them is getting fired when shareholders discover that they did nothing to prevent radical feminists from wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on activism. These individuals are not even prosecuted or imprisoned for fraud in the vast majority of cases. But they get paid millions as if they were messiahs making the whole operation a reality, as if they were prophets who tie the whole religion together into something functional, when in fact they're fucking nobodies and you could literally replace all of them with monkeys without any harm to the operations.
But fuck it. Put millions of dollars in this Jesus' pocket because he's going to make everything turn to gold!
>>713799938 (OP)what are you gonna do about it? because you sure as hell aren't going to risk your life to kill him
>>713800406Realistically it's salary caps at like 100x the lowest paid employee
There are actually a lot of centrist policies that could defang a lot of corporate america's worst habits and behaviors but there's too much money involved now to stop it
>>713800450when you become part of the ultra rich the money is no longer a mean but an end.
>>713799938 (OP)Impressive how EA flew under the radar in the last decade yet kept being the same faggots they've always.
>>713799938 (OP)Tech CEOs are the new lords and kings, I hope they continue to be increasingly audacious with their wealth, they don't realise that flaunting that shit breeds jealousy and contempt which eventually leads to them getting beaten in the street.
Old money knows to be quiet and to atleast pretend you want to help the serf and slave class, most of these nerds are new money and think batman will come save them when the population turns against them.
>>713799938 (OP)>median salary is 117kSo the median employee is still in the top 0.001% of wealthy people in the world and very upper middle class in America as well. But boo-hoo someone makes more money than you? Start working 80 hour weeks then chud
>>713799938 (OP)He's obviously worth 260 EA-trannies
>>713800785that was 6 months ago and there hasn't been any ceo shooters since
he didn't even kill him for wealth related reasons, he just wanted his back surgery that got denied
>>713799938 (OP)No one can touch me.
>>713800406make people like
>>713800038 disappear for "good"
>>713800653So whats the problem with taxing the fuck out of the super rich then? Make over 1 million a year and get taxed 90% on every dollar over that.
>>713800406stock buybacks are far worse. CEO is just one person.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/electronic-arts-posts-profit-miss-220518674.html
https://www.shacknews.com/article/144171/ea-stock-buybacks-fy25
EA spends billions each year buying it's own stock.
They could use that money to make better games instead.
>>713801314Socialist can't comprehend that rich people will simply leave and you're left with less tax revenue than you started out with. Happens literally every single time
>>713799938 (OP)What value does he add to the company?
>>713800450you'll be surrounded by other millionaires and need that megayacht to keep up with the jones
>>713800406taxing them 90%
>>713801395ea stock going up means he's doing the job the board selected him to do
>>713801373Not if they get taxed wherever they go.
>>713801373That just means you're a heartless bastard that only wants to enslave humanity and you never loved your country from the start. A traitor. Worse than an enemy of the state.
>>713801395Depends on the CEO.
Like some of them. They're the face of the company. Chairing meetings, talking to shareholders, convincing people to put money into the company and how awesome the product is. Think a Musk type.
Obviously whoever this EA guy is isn't a Musk type since I never heard of him.
>>713801373Well build a 900 story wall around the country to keep all the rich people in.
>>713801373didn't the usa have ultra high rich people taxes after the great depression to the 1970s - yet those were the american golden years
Andrew Wilson is like somebody's cartoonish depiction of what an evil CEO looks like but he's actually real, nigga looks like he walked off the set of American Psycho
>>713800406Replacement with AGI
>>713801373that's a lie that rich people say to not get taxed, it's extremely difficult to start from scratch again in any other nation because they have entirely laws and regulations from the US
>>713801537But then you come back to reality and realise you can't force other countries to have high taxation, and other countries will deliberately have low taxes because it attracts business which brings money to the local economy
It's called a utopian ideology for a reason
>>713799938 (OP)When you create a successful company you get to reap the rewards.
>>713801579You know people like musk are the exception, not the rule.
>>713799938 (OP)look at this horseface jesus
no amount of money can fix that
>>713801646>start from scratchWhy do you have to start from scratch when you're taking your billions with you as you leave lmao
>>713801654They would move to africa or an offshore island if that were true lol
>>713801656>EA>SuccessfulThey're successful as strategic acquisitions and running the same stupid sports game every 2 years.
That's it.
>>713799938 (OP)Iโm surprised itโs 260, I thought it would be 400 or 500 times. Iโm also surprised the median is 100k. I know median is the middle itโs not the average but still very high.
>>713801314>eat the rich lul, tax the fuck out of them ftw>they leave to another country>no funds on the public treasury>...ho wait let's tax the FUCK out of the middle class, those cant afford to run awayThis is how it all ends, no issues taxing the rich, but if you over do it they run.
Bla bla bla equity etc etc. All bullshit that only happens on fantasy land or in Stalinland.
>>713799938 (OP)Remember wagie if you work harder and in off days your boss might get another agency car the next year
>>713801759Profits are all that matter to a company
>>713801769The us has the lowest tax rate among developed countries; the rich have nowhere to flee to unless they want to start paying protection money to the cartel.
>>713801749And make negative profit at the same time? This isn't Simcity where you can instantly spawn buildings elsewhere. It takes years to start from scratch.
>>713801753Yes anon, places like the Bahamas the Cayman Islands have 0% corporate tax, you might've heard of those before lmao
Even Europe has Hungary, Ireland and Switzerland
>>713801654Sounds like the issue is that the psychopathic males that dominate the industry needs to be fucking murdered so that society can go past this shitty society that males have built. If we want to advance into space and colonize we don't need to fight over scraps of food or money. But then again, rich people are disgusting monsters that don't care about humanity or their own countries.
>>713801371>EA spends billions each year buying it's own stockThey do it to increase the stock value and make sure investors dont dump it.
If you have no (decent) dividend distribution you have to do buybacks.
>>713801589stop being anti-semitic chud
>>713799938 (OP)why doesnt some just shoot him instead of complaining on the internet about it ? not like the world would mourn this rich guy with a faggot haircut anyway
>>713801836That could be true. But ideally I'd like to have my cake and eat it.
Good game, great profits, and then you can pay out dividends to all the shareholders who believed in you. I'm sure there's a way to satisfy all the stakeholders.
>>713799938 (OP)Yeah because he's the fucking boss. Why should some dipshit mailroom boy make even a hundredth of what he does?
>>713801592It's literally just some blood splatter across the face that's missing there.
>>713801884Anon I don't think you understand the world at all
>>713801871>The us has the lowest tax rate among developed countriesMmmm, no.
>>713801769They won't move because it is more costly and risky for them to do so.
Frankly i am not sure why these Developers dont just collectively leave AAA studios and start an odlshool smaller scale company.
We have multiple examples of this actually working.
>>713799938 (OP)When did Tom Brady because the EA CEO?
>>713799938 (OP)>CEOs have existed for over a hundred years>It's all the fault of one video game companyOk mate
>>713800406There's nothing we can really do apart from culling the generation of retards raised to believe that willingly exchanging your labor for money also entitles you to the output of that labor and just try again but not raise future generations so stupid.
>>713799938 (OP)Can someone explain to me why public corporations even exist? It feels like a scam that was invented so rich people could gain control of the private and commercial sector. If your business is successful why would you need to include this gay middle man who wants to destroy everything.
>>713802037take your choice of korea, chile, or mexico.
>>713802043>ho boy it's really costly and risky to change my fiscal residence to Singapore, Monaco, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Cyprus...
>le rich people are... le happier than me?!?!?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO I HATE THEM!!!!!! STEAL FROM THEM!!! ROB THEM!!!!!!! ENVY!!!!!!
just pathetic all around
>>713802019You're the one who doesn't, you read just read Ben Shapiro tweets and play map painting games lol.
High tax rates were done before and they brought economic prosperity.
https://taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/historical-highest-marginal-income-tax-rates
>>713802191>taxes as % of GFPNot exactly what we were talking about, bro.
>>713802213Yes. They steal from me so stealing from them is moral. Join the skyrocketing male suicide rate you fucking loser.
>>713802197Again, why aren't they doing it now if it is supposedly beneficial for them to do? And what's preventing governments from regulating it?
>>713802216>projectionSorry for your brain damage, that must be why you are poor lol
>>713802191We're talking about that imaginary 90% tax rate on the rich idiot, not current average tax rates.
>>713802150>It feels like a scam that was invented so rich people could gain control of the private and commercial sector. If your business is successful why would you need to include this gay middle man who wants to destroy everything.because it is, same reason were never getting regulation of microtransactions in the US, these companies just bribe legislators to not introduce any bills against their business, the more annoying thing is when the internet just complains about it, at least Luigi Mangione actually did something, most of these whiny kids do nothing but complain on the internet about it, either put up or shut up
One thing they never tell you about is that most people who lose jobs get pay cuts at game companies are not actual people who make the game like programmers asset artists or animators.
Its usually less meaningful development roles that like to pretend they matter.
CEO just happens to be the only one of these less meaningful roles that manages to stay in power due to connections and nepotism.
When was the last time you saw an actual programmer complain about losing a job at a game company.
It almost always writers community menages or concept artists.
>>713800106I would think that would be the CFO or COO...
>>713799938 (OP)They pay him the big bucks to tell them what music will be playing tomorrow... and next month, next year...
I think we should just do the merchant class being super low class thing again. Make it illegal to wear anything but sackclothes, you can't drive over 60kms, and you have to say please when you buy food. If you don't actually produce anything and you instead make a billion dollars just moving money around you aren't allowed to pretend to be cool and sexy, and you have be called "smellvin" or something. If you wear a tophat it's legal to shoot you.
>>713802197you have to pay federal taxes if you are a US citizen. Doesn't matter if you live on antartica or mars.
>>713799938 (OP)Stop buying 2k, Fifa and Madden already. I will never understand sports game players.
>>713799938 (OP)Dude looks like the devil. I bet he bangs little boys and pays people to shit on him.
>>713802308A: as of today they dont have to, but they will if you raise the tax bracket to 90% or something retarded like that
B: Sovereign countries (and states for that matter, see Delaware) define their tax policy.
>>713802293>They steal from meSteal what from you, youre a worthless NEET
>>713802213Rich people steal constantly by not paying their fair share.
>>713802318I'm a software engineer, you're a conservative dumb enough to defend billionaires for free.
>>713802387Most countries on Earth have a tax agreement with the USA which precludes double taxation.
>>713802273What happened to this dude? Still awaiting trial?
>>713802413>pays people to shit on him.thats Vince McMahon's thing and it led to the funniest day in /pw/ history
>>713800406literally just walk up to these niggers lmao. Their heads are so far up their asses they won't see it coming
>>713802450You're on welfare is what you are :DD directionbrain has made you think only conservatives hate taxation, how sad
Its ok when Valve does it! Gabe needs a yacht collection!
>>713802460He's in trial but murder trials take a long time, and the media and government want to make an example out of him.
>>713802293>Join the skyrocketing male suicide rate you fucking loser.You're far, far more likely to do that, tranny.
>>713801592Looked up handsome jack because i thought they're similar but found this pic. Someone already made that comparison lol.
>>713802483thats exactly what im saying, complaining about CEOs on twitter does nothing, but none of these leftists have the balls to actually do it
>>713802350So what? Elon gets paid billions in government contracts to cheat at diablo and blow up rockets. I don't want to hear whining about "lazy workers" if nepobabies like him are on top.
>>713800406Employee owned businesses.
>>713802350concept artists and level designers are definitively game devs but community managers aren't, that's like saying a waiter is a chef
>>713802350You have absolutely no understanding of how anything works programmers are constantly getting laid off or replaced with AI
After a game is developed and out its common for the company to lay off every programmer at the studio if said game doesnt need active support. Its an all too common practice of hiring fresh talent, using them like theyre nothing, underpaying them, and letting them all go instead of the more expensive option of contracting out a team when you just need one project done.
>>713802308They don't need to yet you retard.
>>713800406Realizing that you wouldn't do a better job and that the difference between a good CEO and a bad one are billions of dollars, so paying tons of money in the hopes of getting a good one is justified.
i don't know why people ever give a fuck about how much a ceo makes. if you don't like it, don't work there and don't buy their shit.
>>713801371>EA spends billions each year buying it's own stock. >They could use that money to make better games instead.You are retarded. If you spend two $50 notes on a $100 notes you didn't lose any money. Same thing with stocks. You live in the real world, you should understand how basic things work.
>>713802293ironic considering you're going to 41% yourself pretty soon
>>713802450"fair share" taxation is theft in the first place, so this argument is nonsensical
sorry you retards didn't make it in life
>>713802483mods do something
this is hecking troubling and like so not nice
>>713802545Are you implying non leftists like CEOs? Are you retarded?
>>713802350Concept artists are more important than programmers you retard. If shinkawa got fired from kojipro I wouldn't play kojimas games anymore, you could fire his entire programming team and replace them and I wouldn't even know.
>>713802510Not on welfare, you're just a right-winger who makes stuff up. Which is why you're legitimately stupid enough to believe that billionaires leave from being taxed 90%. Did you know that we had a 94% tax rate in 1945?
>>713799938 (OP)What do they do with all that money?
>>713799938 (OP)>90% Evil>10% Plastic
>>713802527what's there to make an example of? he murdered a guy in cold blood
he was going to get life in prison without possibility of parole no matter who the target was
>>713802686HE'S GOT A GUN
>>713802725I'm far-right and I fucking hate them, im just saying that most people on the left just complain on the internet instead actually doing something about the problem
>>713800625I played around with that idea in my head like a year ago.
>No employee may make more than 10x what the lowest paid employee makes (this includes executives/owners)>No business/corporation/etc. may make more than a 30% profit margin>Any profits in excess of 30% are to be equally distributed to all employees as an end of year bonus, including employees that were """let go""" during that year>No income tax, only a flat sales taxThere's more, but I forgot at this point and it obviously needs more wprk as there's still plenty of loopholes/exploits that could be done.
>>713801373>tax 100% of income after a billion like Bernie proposed>the ultra rich leave and take their massive conglomerates with them>new small businesses arise to fill the holes in supply>said new businesses pay better and have better quality because they haven't been ultra optimized to minimize costs and maximize profits>demand gets met, new worthwhile jobs get created, quality increases, wealth gets distributed more equitablyNah, rather just believe the unimaginably rich guys who are demonstrably exploiting everyone when they say we have to do whatever they want or else they leave and we all die, they couldn't possibly be lying to us. But hey, all those Chinese sweatshop jobs are being brought to the US, I'm sure there'll be a lot of honest hard working red blooded PATRIOTS lining up to work jobs so shit they make "Amazon warehouse worker" sound like paradise. Anything for daddy Trump, right?
>>713802456That only means that one country can't take what was already taken from you but it doesn't stop the country from starting to take more from where the first country left off. If country A taxes you at 20% and country B at 60% then B will take 40%.
>>713801373>tax 100% of income after a billion like Bernie proposed>the ultra rich leave and take their massive conglomerates with them>new small businesses arise to fill the holes in supply>said new businesses pay better and have better quality because they haven't been ultra optimized to minimize costs and maximize profits>demand gets met, new worthwhile jobs get created, quality increases, wealth gets distributed more equitablyNah, rather just believe the unimaginably rich guys who are demonstrably exploiting everyone when they say we have to do whatever they want or else they leave and we all die, they couldn't possibly be lying to us. But hey, all those Chinese sweatshop jobs are being brought to the US, I'm sure there'll be a lot of honest hard working red blooded PATRIOTS lining up to work jobs so shit they make "Amazon warehouse worker" sound like paradise. Anything for daddy Trump, right?
>>713802545The funny thing is that Luigi was more like a centrist, but leftists have tried to appropriate him.
>>713802805You mean like youre doing right now?
>>713801314The problem is that it disincentivizes people to be rich. To a retard this doesn't sound like a big deal, but people who know that money isn't a fixed thing, but a representation of value and that value is something you can create understand that not having any rich people around leads to poverty.
You can check that yourself, by handing your grandmother $1 worth of yarn and having her turn it into $5 of socks. You'll find that she did not steal the $4 in difference from anybody.
People become rich because they made the world a more valuable place - or because they are parasites in the finance system. You should go to Liberia, you'll have your hellhole where nobody is getting rich and don't have to run a somewhat functioning country.
>>713802450The fair share of someone who can't even be bothered to contribute anything in taxes should be they receive no benefits.
>>713801759>they are not successful because I don't like their gamesbased retard
>>713801592one of yakub's proudest creations..........
>>713802767Speaking of making stuff up, you literally haven't done any research into this and are just talking out of your ass based on emotion rather than fact
https://www.adamsmith.org/press-releases/tax-loss-from-millionaires-leaving-the-uk-last-year-equivalent-to-over-half-a-million-average-taxpayers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4932482/Wealth-tax-forces-12-000-millionaires-YEAR-France.html
Why are welfare queens like this?
>>713802050>Frankly i am not sure why these Developers dont just collectively leave AAA studiosBecause most of the people on those 3000 dev teams are fucking useless.
>>713802918Correct, but still better than paying the total sum of both taxes.
>>713799938 (OP)People like this are behind every single problem of the Video Game industry. All of them. And yet tourists only support legislation that empowers them to fuck everyone over even harder. Curious.
>>713801769I dunno, how did we do it back when wealth disparity wasn't nearly as big and the purchasing power of the median citizen was far higher? How did the public treasury get funded then? If the ever increasing wealth gap is both good and necessary how come everything keeps getting shittier and shittier?
>>713802806Is every employee required to buy into the business to provide the resources that allow these profits to be made, commie?
>>713802450>fair sharei hate commies so much, all you know how to do is spout buzzwords like retarded fucking drones
>>713802725describe a ceo-less society that isnt communist
>>713799938 (OP)Let's check the salary for the CEO of that website vs the median
>>713799938 (OP)What a poorly ran company.
>>713802483glow harder or do it yourself faggot
>>713802627You're retarded lol, they would still be wealthy even if they were taxed 90%. They just want to make you suffer for being poor.
You saw how they cut off USAID? They want to do that to the poor as well. Curtis Yarvin literally wants them as biofuel.
>>713802702I "made" it and I still want them taxed 90%. In contrast, you're a dumbass defending their enrichment for free.
Nothing that I am asking for is unreasonable nor impractical. We had >90% tax rates in America before and people were able to afford homes and healthcare without a college degree. Nowadays, people live in their cars or in tents despite being educated.
>>713803330*glows harder*
>>713803090CEOs of public companies are all parasites not only on their corporation but are actively seeking to destroy their own country's standard of living. Founders and CEOs of private companies are the people who build wealth, not people who leech or gamble on stocks then use that money to buy real estate and leech off other people.
>>713802927>new small businesses arise to fill the holes in supply>said new businesses pay better and have better quality because they haven't been ultra optimized to minimize costs and maximize profitsSure...just like its going to happen with le big beautiful tariffs.
New big beautiful business are going to flourish overnight.
Fuck sake trumpies and lefties are getting similar every day, just pipe dreams.
>>713803090You are actually brainwashed holy shit
This is how it works in fantasyland where we have unlimited land and resources but not in real life where people are allowed to hoard and steal to become rich (only way to become as rich as someone like Elon)
We all have the same amount of hours in a day tell me how its truly possible for someone to generate 100000000 times as much value as someone else? The answer is its fucking not they get there because of stealing from others and hoarding resources and they want us to rent and license from them and own NOTHING while the 1% owns everything.
>>713799938 (OP)I want him to get his money, bankrupt EA, and destroy vidya monetization for everyone, forever, so that nobody will be dumb enough to put extra money into AAA games with annual resets.
>>713803257If they're not being paid as much as the value that's extracted from their time there, then they are buying into the business. They're just doing so with the form of capital they have available. They are part of the resources.
>>713803257They're already "buying in" with the most valuable resource there is, their time
>>713803358ceos of public companies are essentially puppets, while they have all the say in the company they can also be booted out by the board of investors. those board members have the real power
How do public companies justify CEO salaries that high? You would think shareholders would see it as a waste of money. There are some famous CEO's that have a special talent for what they do but a lot of them seem like clones with the same background/education and easily replaceable.
>>713803254>how come everything keeps getting shittier and shittier?>Says the fat twerp on the internets, on his 3k PC
>>713803434They are willingly selling their time for money. What their employer does with their time after purchasing it has nothing to do with them. Why are you so concerned with what the labor creates but are completely unbothered by what is required for the labor to create anything?
>>713803475>i don't understand supply and demand
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>>713802697Buy backs are a retarded hand out to wall street and executives designed to avoid capital gains taxes.
Instead of investing the moeny into developing new games they just buy the stock back. The company is not a hedge fund it is a video game company. They don't have any good sales and their stock implodes regardless of how much shares they buy.
Their net rev is $7.463 billion and they spend $1 billion on stock buy backs while the company is going down a drain. lmao.
Underinvestment in the Business: Critics argue that companies could be using the funds for more productive purposes, such as research and development, capital expenditures, or employee training. Instead, they're using the cash to repurchase shares, which might hinder long-term growth and competitiveness.
>>713803359This is literally capitalism 101, if there's a need that isn't being met then someone will make a business to meet it. No they won't be huge businesses, that's the point, also it won't happen overnight just like entire megacorps aren't gonna get uprooted and moved overseas overnight, all that shit is gonna be a slow decades long process. Also didn't know Bernie was a trumpie.
>>713803475Rich people hate poor people and see us as livestock, they only consider other elites to be human, these CEOs are in their special club so get special treatment. Nepotism is the answer.
>>713801769>they leave to another countryClearly the winning move is to seize all their assets the second they try this.
>>713803475if i have a solution that doesnt involve my salary going down, ill take it every time, i dont care if you get raped in process
>>713803457For which they are already compensated.
>>713803582>Buy backs are a retarded hand out to wall street and executives designed to avoid capital gains taxes.Holy underage retard, jesus..
>>713802794hey watch it buddy
>>713803124The only people who say this are nepobabies lmao
>>713803191You're retarded, don't bother talking with me until you grow more than single braincell
https://taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/historical-highest-marginal-income-tax-rates
>>713803259Only conservatives spout buzzwords towards people who demand beneficial policies that were done before.
>>713803582>avoid capital gains taxesI mean income taxes.
I need to get 4chanx going again. the window on the default 4chan website is too small.
>>713799938 (OP)They probably misunderstand salary and he got some stock grant this year for good performance.
>>713803658>Only conservatives spout buzzwordsyou are so fucking braindead if you legitimately believe this
>>713801592>Andrew Wilson is like somebody's cartoonish depiction of what an evil CEO looks likeEveryone that doesn't have a stick up their asses has been saying this for years
>>713802927These new small businesses don't have the experience, connections, or financial standing to adequately fill the service gap as you propose, there's going to be a noticeable drop in utility
>>713803248i support eternal damnation
>>713803559>Why are you so concerned with what the labor creates but are completely unbothered by what is required for the labor to create anything?I'm not bothered by either, anon just asked why the employee isn't buying in, which is a retarded question when the employee obviously is. They are not the only ones buying in and they are doing so in a different manner than someone with a lot of financial capital leveraging that instead. The employees are part of the resources, the sooner you understand that the sooner you realize how dumb the premise of anon's question is as a gotcha.
Hes probably the only one in the company that actually works
the others don't even make games, just recycle the old crap
>>713803707You're the moron accusing people of being communist for wanting to reintroduce >90% tax rates again
>>713800946This.
What the fuck is going on in there?
Isn't everyone having another wave of layoffs?
>>713803658>The only people who say this are nepobabies lmaoDo you feel that the fact the poor don't complain about themselves means anything?
>>713802783The poor view him as a modern day Robin Hood. He killed a member of the upper class which is a big no no because it shows they're vulnerable.
They need to wait until people forget about him before they try to convict him because one holdout is all it takes for a mistrial.
>>713803259Yeah not wanting to be a cuck sure is terrible. The corporate overlords must be protected so they can keep churning out my sloppa.
>>713803497>yeah everything is falling apart but you have internet so you can't complain
>>7138004061. Stop brainwashing yourself with neonazi propaganda on the internet
2. Push out capitalism
3. ???
4. No more Profits!
The USA will collapse within the next 50-100 years.
reminder that by the time that everyone realizes that they need to kill CEOs, AI will have replaced 90% of the working and thus we have no reason to even keep them alive
>>713803254>how did we do it back when wealth disparity wasn't nearly as bigEverybody used to be poorer.
>the purchasing power of the median citizen was far higher?It was just that the housing market wasn't fucked to shit.
>>713803804>>90% tax rates
you're a fucking retard if you think this would work without people leaving the country
>>713803839what value do you provide to society, again?
>>713802191>2014We need some post-covid data
>>713800406Unrepentant maoism
>>713803786Your payroll is not a resource you moron, it's a debit.
>>713803658>NOOOOO LOOK AT THESE 1945 STATISTICS STOP LOOKING AT 2024 STATS THOSE ARE IRRELEVANT REEEEEELmao what is this genuine brain damage
>>713803602Capitalism 101 is not smashing existing systems and scaring the fuck out of everyone with capital invested with flimsy promises of a radiant tomorrow.
It's a power/money grab and everyone knows it.
Bernie and Trumpie sitting in a tree...their arguments are almost the same, they just use different rhetorics to appeal to different retards.
>>713799938 (OP)I thought EA was run by the Glitch Gremlin?
>>713803475Because they got the job via bribery, psychopathy, and nepotism. They could be helping to launder money.
>>713803335>I "made" it and I still want them taxed 90%stopped reading after this
genuine cuckold
oh you don't think you'd be taxed 90% too, faggot?
>>713799938 (OP)look up how much gabe's yachts cost
>>713803471No they don't, they are all clueless boomers parking their money who are paying the rainman millions to do a little dance that sometimes gives them the return on investment they are seeking. The people making decisions and destroying companies are these retarded cookie cutter business degree CEOs.
>>713803927What the owner pays you is a cost for the business owner, anon. The value of the labor is the resource. You seem to be getting a lot of things mixed up, or maybe you're angry because you're the original anon and you're mad that I said the premise of your question was dumb(it is). Either way you don't seem equipped to have this conversation as you are presently.
>>713801654>you can't force other countries to have high taxation, and other countries will deliberately have low taxes because it attracts business which brings money to the local economyAnd the solution for that is for the higher-ups to get comparable salaries to the other employees, not 10x more
>>713801373Just make it illegal for rich people to leave. Sure, you can leave, but it won't be as a rich person
>>713803804lmao good luck trying to keep anything in the country at that point. I'd just do business elsewhere.
>>713803863>4. No more Profits!Profit means that something is efficient. Means that the thing you did created more value than was put in.
Farming all year and ending up with a hand full of food? Not profitable -> starvation
Another farmer farming all year and ending up with wagon loads of food? Profitable -> No starvation
Profit is a good thing, you fucking monkey are trying to kill us all with your retarded envy based hatred of everything that works.
>>713801464This. The money is like DBZ powerscaling
>>713804103What if he is 260 times harder to replace than the median idiot? Why should he not be able to leverage his value?
>>713804102The value of the labor is a resource which has already been paid for. You're a dumbshit barista or something like that, right? Are you allowed to take a sip of a customers onions mocha latte after they've ordered and paid for it? No, because you sold it to them and you have no entitlement to it anymore.
>>713804103In a free market your compensation is directly tied to how much impact you have, if you're a celebrity adored by millions that's worth a lot, if your decision make the company an extra 50mil over the prediction that's also worth a lot
>>713804151thank god retards like you are never going to be in charge of any actual important decisions in society
>>713799938 (OP)I worked under Andrew before and heโs a great guy and helped save the company for decades before I entered EA when fifa was faltering. I do not understand the hate for him, it always comes from jealous and uneducated gamers like people it. Heโs way better than almost every ceo in gaming save for Iwata.
>>713804151>>713804103Weird how all the countries who ever implemented any of your great ideas turned out to be hellholes. They must have not been as smart as you and done it wrong.
>>713804170>everything that works.lol. lmao even
>>713804240You are really dumb if you think that the CEO is some magical 300IQ genius that doesn't just talk with other people all day long
>>713804306Never say never.
how does this affect us, the videogamers?
>>713804428what happened to the ussr again? i'm kinda fuzzy on my history
>>713804265Reread the original question(likely yours as you're not denying it) and ask yourself what the premise is that I am attacking. That does nothing to address my attack on the premise of that question, which is the singular point of my posts, but you don't seem to know or care.
>>713802450>fairHow is it fair to steal people's money and then declare it yours? For reference when Robin Hood was stealing from the rich to give it back to the poor he was redistributing the coins that had been taxed by the rich at sword point, you are the tax collector, you are the bad guy in Robin Hood's story.
>>713804319Andrew, stop shitposting on /v/ and fix your damn trashfire of a company.
>>713804319>*GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GLARCK*
>>713804449all their games are gonna have denuvo
>>713800406You know what. I cant say it but you know.
>>713804449How does EA's rampant corruption and horrible mismanagement affect gamers? Golly gee, I think you may be the most retarded person in the thread, and that's quite an accolade.
>>713799938 (OP)>median is 117,000>somehow itโs bad that the ceo is making 30M
>>713804332It's simple: don't commit a genocide on the white race and the reverse will apply to you
>>713804559>>713804573why would you play EA games? you retarded?
a month ago I made an EA account to sign up for a beta and it got immediately banned. I played no games and did nothing on it, it wasnt even an alt I dont have another EA account and apparently the issue is widespread
>>713804489Almost but
>the richthe story isn't about the rich, that's socialist subversion, it's about the state
>>713803757Man you'd imagine we were living in caves just mashing rocks together right until The First Billionaires blessed us with Their Presence and Their Blessed Fortune, for society couldn't and wouldn't function without Them.
>grrrr I hate executives and shareholders, why can't we just make games without them?
>WTF HOW DO I FUND MY GAME?
4channel should require ID verification to keep underage posters away
>>713804614dead space remake was good and im looking forward to the next battlefield after a year of fixes
>>713804449The actual creators get paid like shit, so they end up not giving their projects their best effort, and thus, gamers get worse games.
>>713804103How about you just don't work for them or buy their game dumbass? This isn't like food where you are stuck. If you wanted to make a law you should make it illegal for browns to buy Fifa games yearly.
>>713800406Meanwhile CEOs are thinking "What's the solution to the uppity peasant problem?" Which is why they're desperately pushing AI.
>>713800406Just mass protests, we love to mock France for this shit but the wealth gap has never been this bad.
Worst part is you have people like
>>713800106 who have this opinions unironically (I'm sure that anon is baiting, but many aren't)
We saw durning covid a company can go months without the top earners but die out the gate without the worst paid.
>>713804787>do a shitty job>get paid poorly>"wtf why am i not getting paid more"flawless logic
>>713802273>hmmmm I just assassinated a very prominent figure>I will keep wearing the same clothes, carry the same weapon and confess to said crime >a few days laterso what other roles has he played in and is he a good actor? I'm looking to open myself up to more classical theater
>>713804804>How about you just don't work for them or buy their game dumbass?What made you think I did?
>>713804813hope they enjoy not getting any growth now that consumers don't even get money to buy their products
>>713804813Executive jobs are on the chopping block same as everybody else, they just have a nicer 401k
>>713804764>>713804787remakers and remasters are cancer, also modern AAA games are uninspired rushed products
if you buy them, you're enabling those greedy fuckers
>>713803896>everything was worse before!So why do rightoids want to go back to the way things were back then?
>the housing market is the only thing that's fucked right nowLel
>>713801020I randomly say lines from this fucker and I don't know why
>take his ride to my place
>>713804934its about the only AAA products i buy so i dont care, AAA is trash anyway
>>713804842>love to mock France for this shitwho is mocking france for the protests? we are mocking them for the -lack of- protests
>>713804754You don't understand, if the CEO didn't get that stock package then they'd get money instead to uh... Do things? Or something. You wouldn't get it.
>>713804919they can't replace me if there's no one to force me to leave
>>713804473The premise you are attacking is the basic idea of transfer of ownership. If you purchase something that allows you control over it. If you buy my house, you decide who lives in it and can kick me out of it. If I buy your labor, the profits I acquire by using it are mine alone, not yours.
>>713801373Just confiscate their entire estate, lul.
>>713805026if you think they do literally nothing then that's the reason why you will never have a chance of making a percentage of what they make
>>713804470You dummy. What happened in the USSR is that a bunch of "retards like you" got together, thought that they had it all figured out and are going to fix everything by making the "actual important decisions in society" and there was a ton of suffering that the countries in question still haven't fully recovered from.
>>713805051government seizing assets? sounds like a great idea, what could possibly go wrong? this will surely never be used maliciously because i trust my government
>>713805043>The premise you are attacking is the basic idea of transfer of ownership.Wrong, try again.
>>713805026It's compensation for work performed. I know that's impossible to understand for a NEET but they basically spend every waking moment working.
>>713804994>we are mocking them for the -lack of- protestsIn what imo is unfathomable based behaviour a few weeks ago staff did a mass walkout in the Louvre being they were understaffed.
They came out, saw a huge ass line and just went
>Nah, fuck that.And went home.
They can easily afford more staff, it's just more profitable to hire less staff and demand they work harder.
>>713804498Itโs the truth
>>713804526Sorry youโre an incompetent and unemployed piece of shit. Maybe you should stop sucking dick for money? That would certainly help
>>713805126>such a great system that it gets easily taken down by people you perceive as dumbnice self own lmao
>>713804906That just means CEOs won the game.
>>713805051Butchering the goose that lays golden eggs was supposed to be the retarded thing to do. I think you read that story wrong if you got anything else out of it.
>>713804754>Wtf I can't create a stable business without first selling it to a greedy rat who will eventually ruin it, violate all its principles to squeeze the last bit of juice from its corpseYou start businesses the way any sane person does, begin small and grow with demand.
>>713805131No when you demand profits in excess of 30% be distributed to the workers that is exactly what you are doing.
>>713805254what's your basis? your fee fees?
>>713804919Thank god I work on a psych unit, which is not only AI-replacement immune into perpetuity, but will skyrocket in need as more people want to fucking kill themselves when they lose their livelihoods to AI.
>>713805176>It's compensation for work performed. I know that's impossible to understand for a NEET but they basically spend every waking moment working.People here are uneducated and feel like they deserve something anon. There are also people here that want to abolish intellectual property and have everything be public domain
>>713804614Do you relieve believe that EA's influence does not extend past to the entire industry? What affects EA affects everyone.
>>713801592>wake up, mr. shekelstein, wake up and smell the goyim
>>713805246I'm glad unemployed losers like you have no say in how things are actually run.
>>713805323it only affects shitty companies that develop shitty modern AAA games, so who cares
They have to keep the CEO happy so that he can apply pressure on the employees to create technically impressive yet microtransaction laden games.
Being a good leader is an invaluable skill
By the way, small business owners barely make more than their employees after all the overhead. You're pretty much just as good off being an employee somewhere, that's why small business is dying.
>>713805264I never demanded profits to be in excess of 30% to be distributed to the workers, what the fuck are you talking about? You are arguing with someone you wish I was, instead of with the posts and points I have actually made. This
>>713803434is the first post I made in the thread, so you may be confusing me with another anon from earlier.
>>713805323how does what ea does affect me personally though
>>713805064They don't do literally nothing, they do what they can to secure their revenue.
>>713804002Taxes aren't "smashing existing systems". Especially taxes that will only affect 0.01% of the population. Also the capitalist theory literally states you need to have some level of regulation because completely unchecked capitalism leads to power getting consolidated into fewer and fewer entities which will then exert their power to manipulate the market in order to squeeze every last dollar in existence, fucking everyone over in the process. It's literally why we have anti-monopoly laws, you can't see everything going to shit and just shrug and go "welp, can't do nothin' or else it isn't the good kind of capitalism!", at some point it must dawn on everyone that no this shit isn't gonna magically fix itself.
>>713799938 (OP)Early life status?
>>713805353I'm glad complete fucking morons like you have presided over the total collapse of the American media industry so I no longer need to see your gay shit. Injecting a team of stupid monkeys with millions of dollars doesn't generate anything of value and once the injections stop they all die.
>>713800106Its funny how persistent the "CEOs work so much harder than the rest of us" myth is, especially if you know how most executives actually function. Sure, most executives are practically "working" 24/7, but that's not nearly as impressive as it sounds once you realize what their """work""" actually consists of. Which is to say that most executives just travel around and party all day and call it "meetings." They don't even book the shit themselves, they have secretaries that arrange all the hotels, limousines, restaurants, bars, etc that they just cycle through on their """work""" days. My aunt is actually one of these secretaries, and it's kind of eye-opening to hear her talk about it and realize that most of her work is just booking all these hotels and restaurants and bars and whatnot for these dipshits to go party in. But that's really all their fucking """work""" is. It's just having these "meetings."
>>713805482you literally just described the entire working force on planet earth
>>713805429Which ironically is the result of excess regulation. Big corpos love regulations, green shit being the newest hit, because they can afford it and it's a cheap way to get rid of competition. Leftists useful idiots to big corporations challenge impossible
>>713804693You mean the "leadership" then? Then this CEO is the leadership, he is the head of the "state" of this company. A communist state is just a corporation that has vast powers including men who can enact violence on its citizen if it goes against it, its leader is also always rich.
>>713805178oh yeah I saw that, was pretty good
do you know what came of that or will I scour the webs myself?
>>713799938 (OP)Why does he look so plastic?
>>713805585Fuck you talking about dude
>>713805181>Maybe you should stop sucking dick for money?Why would I go into that business at all when you're the top employee of the dick sucking company? Lol
>>713805673He won't be in business for long is he keeps illegally siphoning all of the profits for himself.
>>713800406Stop propping up the stock market with tax and printed money, but that would lead to a collapse of the modern system and no serious politician wants that.
>>713799938 (OP)>CEO wins more than the average employeeOh no, what a fucking tragedy.
>>713805673>Why would I go into that business at all when you're the top employee of the dick sucking company?Deflection doesnโt help. Youโre an uneducated, uninformed, ignorant, and unemployable neet
>>713805483Taxing people at 90% is not "regulation".
>>713805209Good thing we're not killing the goose, but the parasite in its intestine.
>>713805562Maybe that's the problem? Everyone is just a greedy fuck and doesn't do anything to benefit their fellow man and just look out for number 1. That cascades endlessly into insurmountable corporate greed, corporations with more power than governments, old men ruling the world, etc.
You wonder about what CEOs do until you actually get up to that level. I work with the C suite for a national organization that works with hospitals and find out that they do pretty much nothing that warrants that salary.
But it's really to keep the rich as the rich and the wagies as wagies.
>>713800106People like this are corporate cocksuckers that love having other men above them they can aspire to be while working their wagie job.
>>713801592He'll kill your favorite vidya if it means more profit.
>>713805543Your post is just nonsense. Are you even employed?
>>713805906>Everyone is just a greedy fuck and doesn't do anything to benefit their fellow man and just look out for number 1what makes you entitled to forcing people to give you shit for free?
Wealth redistribution is retarded, but market share redistribution is not.
>>713805937because you're a retard
>>713799938 (OP)He literally got the college football deal done and helped get student athletes paid for their likenesses
It's literally the biggest deal in the history of American sports
And then turned that around into a 20 million selling "new ip" that they piggyback 'd struggling Madden to help revitalize it.
Fair play I say
>>713805953I'm in the top 1% of my first world country, you don't need to worry about me. Stop dodging the point you moron, you are arguing that injecting shitty developers with dirty money is the only way to generate games and stable businesses, take your steroid addled zombie corporations and shove them up your ass.
>>713806070Concession accepted.
>>713799938 (OP)Only 260 times? Should be 2800.
>>713805430So you're saying that employees need to be paid exactly as much as the value they provide. That's your point. You typed that with straight fingers. You want a world where an employee that earns you $100 is owed $100 by you. How do you think this policy of yours will effect the economy?
>>713806220Ok Mr. definitely rich man, how are you going to create a game without money? Do you only play RPG Maker shit?
>>713806124none of the socialist retards in this thread will be able to process this and you'll get ignored for actually making a good point, sorry
>>713806256i wasn't even the guy you were arguing with, i just wanted to let you know you're a retard
>>713799938 (OP)117K is in insane median wage btw. Perfect example of being mad because someone makes more than you despite you still being very wealthy.
>>713806363You make them in your spare time or you use your own savings, are you too stupid to understand the concept of giant institutions growing from smaller, more humble begginings? If you grow from nothing into a corp you deserve to exist and you will continue to exist, if some random Jew gives you a billion dollars to make mass market slop then no you don't deserve to exist and nobody will care when you go bankrupt the way the entire American game industry is because interest rates have gone up and suddenly the gravy train ended.
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I used to work under a rich game company CEO and all he did was lurk around, conspire against dissidents with HR and worst of all - make impulsive decisions that negatively affected the vidya we were working on.
One time we had layoffs and I was asked to make a skill-based ranking list of all animators, only for him to fire an extremely high-ranking animator in order to keep a useless animator in that guy couldn't even draw, just because he deemed him to be "very loyal".
That fucker was a deranged feudal lord and it killed my interest in working for any big company ever again.
>>713801884Most actually rich people already have foreign investments and holdings. The rich are typically internationalist, globalist. They aren't loyal to their home nation, they're loyal only to money. Try to take too much so that it's not worth living in America? They'll go to Monaco, or some other tax haven.
>>713806124Lol, EA is a dumpstire fire constantly destroying its own studios as they pursue insanely greedy live service strategies, but the CEO made a deal that made the company a lot of money so instead of that being funneled into the company he should get a bigger paycheck while his company is in the shitter.
>>713806748seems like an arbitrary requirement that would kill every single industry if they were forced to use your system
>>713804919>acopolypse This is how I know they're actually a PM since all PMs are fucking braindead retarded.
>>713806778Let me guess, Jew-York nepo baby who would be a tranny if he was born after 1998.
How does one become a CEO? Asking for myself.
>>713806723It's nearly double the median wage in the entire country.
>>713802350>community menagesOoo la lah~
>>713807023Luck and nepotism mostly.
>>713806861>The laws of supply and demand are dangerous and will kill every industry they are implemented in>You need steroids and handouts to create fragile businesses that generate create slop nobody wants or else the already collapsing industry will collapse You don't understand how stupid you sound.
>>713807023Function on 4 hours a sleep a day and never go home
>>713807126you're right making investing illegal will save the economy somehow
>>713802669Bullshit, Xi Jinping would never say something so capitalistic
>>713806806I think it was Norway or some other Yuropoor socialist rapehole that instituted a massive "leave tax" if you left the country. Haha try doing something? I just made it illegal, your move! You have to pay for the free apartment of those rapefugees! Who said so? It's written in the law!
>>713800406Increase the tax for the poor and lower them for the rich.
What could go wrong?
>>713807023Be tall and charismatic, exist within a corporation for long enough and you will eventually become a CEO or some equivalent senior leadership figure, either that or have a rich dad.
>>713799938 (OP)He is winner. Devs, artists, musicians, etc. are not.
It's really that simple. Stay mad.
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>>713803090>not having any rich people around leads to poverty
>>713807270poor people are a tax burden, rich people pay basically all of the tax money that governments subsist off of
>>713806309No nigger, do I actually need to spell out for you your own premise of the post I replied to initially? God damn you're dumb, fine I will.
>Is every employee required to buy into the business to provide the resources that allow these profits to be made, commie?The underlying assumption of this question is that an employee is not buying into the company in any way through their time and effort there, and that it is only through a different method of buying in that they are able to provide resources to allow profits to be made, which is a retarded assumption. An employee required to buy in financially as part of the deal of their working there is providing two different levels of buy-in through resources, through their work and also through additional capital contribution.
Labor and capital investment are two types of buying in to a company by providing resources. You will say that labor is paid for, but the requirement of having an employee buy in with additional capital is also paid for by the owner. It just gets more skin in the game. These are two manners of providing resources and how much of either is required is part of the agreement between employee and employer.
So every employee that works in essence is bought in, or their hiring to begin with would be a mistake, just not in the way that you also want them to be. You can twist and bend your spine into a pretzel to say that it doesn't count, but nothing you say to preclude labor from being a buy-in can't also apply to capital investment, because the profits made from labor are resources to be leveraged by the employer just the same. This is the only point I have ever made in my replies to you.
I am not making any argument for or against the the basic idea of transfer of ownership, or for giving a certain level of profits to employees, or any other shit that you wish you were arguing with me about. That underlying assumption was just fucking stupid and I pointed that out.
>>713807270A secularizing movement that was 100 times deadlier than the Inquisition?
>>713807169There is absolutely no reason for people to have to invest in the generation of videogames, they aren't making tanks or washing machines. These are products of passion that should grow naturally to fit the desires of the consumer and the creator.
>I, an unemployable NEET, am smarter than a Fortune 500 CEO with an MBA from Harvard
do /v/ posters ACTUALLY believe this?
>>713807558yes, as people get lazier this will get more prevalent and unbearable online
>>713805525he is not part of the nose tribe but I wouldn't be surprised if he attend to their parties
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>>713802806>giving profit to the employees oy vey that is illegal
>>713805949Kek, I never forget the devil suit.
>>71380755813 cancelled playstation GAAS games and a collapsing brand that every idiot on earth could see coming from a mile off makes it hard to believe these people know what they are doing. Atleast a retarded consumer knows what they themselves like which is a vast gulf of expertise over an idiot who doesn't know what anyone wants and therefore has no idea how to generate value beyond squeezing and destroying what already exists.
>>713805525if you're in favor of american being the world leader then you're practically required to support israel
>>713807792and yet Sony is still making a shitload of money
are you saying they shouldn't cancel bad games still in development?
>>713800498Realistically, it's a club where there's a position that gives you a ton of money and people are just rotated through it so each of them in the club get a turn. The company exists for that throne that a select few get to take a turn on. There is literally no other reason for that role to pay as much as it does. That's the faucet at the end of the machine. In the real world, you wouldn't even think to pay someone that much. It just wouldn't cross your mind because you'd be thinking about investing back into your company to make it better
>>713800993This. That faggot Luigi was born richer then the guy he killed. Retards on Reddit just lapped it up cause theyโre all gay.
>>713808004You're just reiterating what I already said. Squeezing the life out of an existing brand is not generating real value, it doesn't take intelligence to destroy a thing people already like for short term profit.
>they shouldn't cancel bad games still in development?I'm saying they shouldn't have greenlit them in the first place.
>>713808004Other guy is a fanboy moron, the games industry probably cancels 50 games in pre alpha for every one that's made for a myriad of reasons.
Shifting market trends is a valid reason to cancel a game
>>713808373So old Sony run by a CEO using investor money was good, but now it's bad. Got it.
>>713799938 (OP)I will never understand why CEOs get paid so much.
>>713808486Because despite what redditors say, there are very few people equipped to lead a successful multibillion company
>>713799938 (OP)it's almost like capitalism is designed to squeeze the lower class while making the upper class richer
>>713807558>He attended Queensland University of Technology, but dropped out before obtaining his law degreeI have a BA so I'm technically more educated than the CEO of electronic arts
>>713808481I don't even know what retarded point you're trying to make. Old playstation was run by engineers and people with artistic sensibilities from the music arm of Sony, the minute it shifted to business majors it shit the bed and hasn't stopped shitting itself. The people who created the brand are completely distinct from the ones who milk it to death.
>>713808820are you educated in experience tho?
>>713808941>milk it to deathIt's a product. It has always been a product. I don't know why you treat it like it used to be some utopian commie thing made by people that cared about anything besides money.
>>713800231The law is a human institution
>>713808426Yeah it's totally normal to completely fuck up the output of all your major studios for an entire generation.
>>713807558you are retarded
>>713808631how are the employees with a median salary of over $100k being squeezed?
>>713800406I have a radical idea that is overcomplicated & no1 will support.
We need to rethink the concept of debt, including going back & correcting errors. These people make promises they dont deliver on, collect the cash then sail off into the sunset. We need to be able to go after them, sometimes decades later, and claw it back.
A dollar is a unit of debt. By holding one hes saying 'You, you anon, I helped you now you owe me'. No dude you didnt fucking help me youre a conman.
>>713809093I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand such a simple concept. People who train as engineers and artists think about more than just money, people who study business don't. Playstation will not exist in a decade because their only vision for the company is to milk a dead cow.
>>713805483>Especially taxes that will only affect 0.01% of the populationYeah like that time the tax was only going to affect the rich and not be spread around to everyone else and that's what happened.
>>713805949so no more DEI games?
what's the issue?
>>713802806>No employee may make more than 10x what the lowest paid employee makes (this includes executives/owners)This is how you end up with the whole of extended family of the executives working in upper management
>No business/corporation/etc. may make more than a 30% profit margin>Any profits in excess of 30% are to be equally distributed to all employeesThis is how you end up with Hollywood accounting
Curtailing the control of shareholders as in
>>713807767 might be a better avenue of attack.
Additionally you could have public yearly reports on salaries published yearly so employees can see if they are being underpaid, though that probably also has some psychological drawback and I way for upper management to pressure people who are "overpaid"
>>713799938 (OP)All sports normies' fault. Literally and figuratively and whatever other way imaginable.
>>713799938 (OP)Workers should make all these fucks pay.
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>>713807394>The underlying assumption of this question is that an employee is not buying into the company in any way through their time and effort thereIt's not an assumption that they've already been paid for their time and your argument actually IS that paying for something shouldn't give you control over it, you liar you. If I have paid for your salary I have control over the value your labor creates, full fucking stop. If I do not have control over this, then ownership means little.
>>713799938 (OP)well yeah
An EA game tester earns 500 euros a month
If you're ever wondering why their games are buggy and sloppy
>>713807637Can you be rich and not be part of their club without the sky falling on your head?
>>713800785Luigi was a hero. Most people are cowards. Survivorship bias.
>>713805801This right here. An honest money environment would set wages to fair value real quick.
>>713807830Yeah, mass immigration really fucks over regular people, because of the overabundance of workers it creates, making it extremely easy for companies to keep wages low.
>>713799938 (OP)Its because he works 260x as hard as everyone else of course.
>>713810060Getting rid of fiat currencies will solve a lot, but not everything.
>>713808486Because the difference between a good and a bad CEO is $200 billion. Something like that is worth the $25 million they are paying him. Which $1.3 is his actual salary, the rest was a bonus for the company doing well under his leadership.
If they put the median EA drone in charge they would be bankrupt, paying $25m to not be bankrupt is smart. If they offered him just 120k like the median EA guy is making, he would go somewhere else.
Not everybody has the same skills and talents.
>>713809938>If I have paid for your salary I have control over the value your labor creates, full fucking stop. If I do not have control over this, then ownership means little.This does nothing to address my point, I never disagreed with this. I do not think that paying for something means you shouldn't have control over it. Stop replying to me if you're going to argue with someone who isn't me. And that isn't the same assumption that I argued against.
I get you just want to use this argument as a vehicle to jack yourself off to how you are perfectly fine with conventional economic principles. Guess what? So am I. I'm just not dumb enough to see that a buy-in comes in more than one form and that's part of the negotiation for employment.
>>713800231"What's wrong with these concentration camps? They're not illegal."
Normally I'd end it there but I really think you should actually kill yourself for still falling for what elites and billionaires sell you in 2025
>>713810271Someone who's carrying bricks by hand works harder than someone using a wheelbarrow. He's getting more because he is much harder to replace, because his skill set is much rarer and more impactful.
Good leadership is the difference between an empire falling and rising.
>>713810498So who is to blame for Battlefield's failure? If he can take all the credit he should take the blame.
>>713810483>two people coming together and agreeing on what they are doing with their money is just like concentration camps You are not human. You are a screeching bundle of greed.
>>713810412Anon, this entire thing is about how anon wants any money beyond 30% of profits to be evenly distributed amongst all employees. If these employees are not buying into the risk to receive these profits then must therefore be entitled to the fruits of their labor beyond the salary they've already been paid. That's what you've been arguing for this whole time.
>>713810498>If you can use a tool anyone can be taught to use you are worth 260 times the amount of someone who has a slightly different jobPlease, I mean please, stop being a peasant. You might think I'm making this argument for myself, but you are actually making it worse for yourself.
>>713810483>worthless commie brings up gulags for no reasonjust admit that you hate that other people are more successful than you
>>713810663>Thinking he can bait me with a strawmanNice try. But I only want what's best for you as well as everyone else. In your case it would be ending your own suffering and making everyone else's lives better. In other words promptly kill yourself
>>713810667>profit is... ILLEGALWhat a retarded idea. Who would put money into a business like that?
Sport games normies make this company
If it werent for mouthbreathing sportsball retards EA would be rightfully dead
>>713810753>Sucking another man's dick this hard in the process of bootlickingJust admit you're gay in addition to your forever poverty.
>>713808091LE EPIC RAGS TO RICHES STORY HOLY BACON
>>713810997I'm actually doing just fine being paid to work for a corporation. You should try it.
>>713810905Nobody and that is why the idea is retarded. The retarded kids are constantly arguing for a kind of reverse lemon socialism where the risks are privatized but the profits public and they think this will somehow work out. Also regular lemon socialism when it comes to student loans.
>>713811104Oh nono nono he thinks that he's got upward mobility because his boss slapped him on the shoulder and told him so
Look homie, you're in the same boat as the people getting 260x less than the the dude at the top of the company. I'm only giving you the facts now so you can understand reality sooner.
>>713810667>Anon, this entire thing is about how anon wants any money beyond 30% of profits to be evenly distributed amongst all employees.I don't give a shit about your entire thing, argue with the guy who posted the jew mug if you want to argue the entire thing. I agree with most of your side of the entire, it's just the underlying assumption guiding your one point was just fucking dumb for the reason I stated 5 times now.
>he said all of this and you disagreed with a singular point of mine so now you are arguing for everything he didGod damn you're stupid. I could understand the confusion if I hadn't explicitly stated that this was the one thing I had a qualm with you about. I AM NOT HIM. Reply to this guy again here
>>713802806if you want to argue with him. All of this other shit you've dishonestly been attributing to me so you can bait me into arguing about doesn't matter to me. I'm sorry anon stopped replying to you but you'll have to deal with that elsewhere.
>>713800406Annihilation of the stock market.
>>713810667OP of the original (WIP) thought. Do you not know what 'profit' means? If I'm running a business and it costs me $1m in expenses, including wages, and I get back $2m at the end of the fiscal year how much profit did I make?
>>713811429are you trying to convince me that I'm not being paid what I'm being paid for work?
>>713799938 (OP)The boots on the ground devs should be put to death for making such shit games.
>Devs and talking heads blame the CEO for everything>Same same people also vocally defend the most awful parts of their shit games
>>713811526Yeah, more or less. Tell me your salary. And you can be honest, or at least I hope you would if you want to actually make your point.
>>713805560The only CEOs that ever do any real work are the owners of some small production facility or food processing factory, since he can't afford to hire 20 salesmen to contact all the supermarkets to sell their products to, but these literal losers do zero shit whatsoever all day, the most they do is appearing once or twice a year on camera to tell investors how much they scammed their customers.
>>713801589Yes and you're starting to notice a pattern.
>>713811445Anon when you respond to a comment asking whether employees are paying into a company in a situation where they are receiving profit shares then that profit shares part is married to your argument.
>>713811601Isn't it always funny how these leftist devs always blame the "hurr durr the higher ups made the decision to put 5 hours of a woman playing pretend to be a man in the game", but if you ask any of them they would agree they wanted that shit in the game or else they would have rioted and left the studio.
As always, it's the same lack of any kind of accountability we can see everyday on the average pussy haver, but this is spread industry wide across every single developer.
>>713802882This is actually a fantastic point, but the process for smaller businesses to be built up is a long and arduous one. I'm not saying that I don't think it could be done, I do, but it'll put a lot of people out of work.
On top of that, it's unfortunately extremely difficult to do, because the billionaires club just pay off all the politicians and turn them into their pets.
When they start to propose silly ideas like taxing the rich or properly securing the stock market so it's fair, they tug their leash a little harder and the politicians start talking about immigrants, fags or blacks being the true enemy/friend.
The way they've so successfully weaponised the media to keep us dumb poors fighting amongst ourselves instead of rising up like the founding fathers intended is shameful.
>>713800946Yes, boo hoo, someone's making more money in 3 months than you will in a lifetime.
How fair does that sound?
Now think of all the poor fags who work 3 jobs to live paycheck to paycheck.
People earning $100k aren't the issue, people earning $20m and paying less than you are in tax are the problem.
>>713805949No he won't. His faggot company doesn't have any games I care about.
>>713812208the founding fathers were all rich capitalists FYI
>>713810015I guess so but I would expect a lot of opportunities and connections to be lost since you are not part of the baby eating group, also depending how rich or famous you are, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to coerce u to join the cult
this is just speculation but my gut tells me that I'm not that far form the truth
>>713812363>People earning $100k aren't the issue, people earning $20m and paying less than you are in tax are the problem.It's hard to tell if people that say things like this are liars or really that stupid
>>713812363>people earning $20m and paying less than youGive me a documented, concrete example of this, and i mean a citizen, not someone who's convicted for tax evasion.
>>713801769And go where? If trump grew some fucking balls for once and told the bllionaires to get fucked, people would be very upset, but it'd be like all the leftie fags saying "oooh boo hoo if trump gets in, I'm leaving America" and then none of them did.
To leave America and go somewhere else has a whole bunch of problems that they won't want to deal with and will have to weigh up.
>Have to either move all your staff or hire more>Have to get all new buildings>All your current buildings are now a liability because if "everyone is leaving" nobody's gonig to want your building any more>Have to find a country that is suitable/beneficial tax structure that you can cheat on. In the developed world, you're going to struggle>Have to sell up mansions and real estate since you're no longer working here. It's all a moot point, because the billionaires have castrated all your politicians by paying them off. I think maybe Bernie might have tried to do something, but the rest of them are toothless and living it up off kickbacks from the super rich.
All you need is the masses to properly rise up and call bullshit on them.
They won't move, because it's too inconvenient, it'd kill all productivity at the company, and therefore the share price, to move somewhere else and there's nowhere else where they'll get a better deal. This is about those fags paying their fair share instead of overburdening the middle class, so that you and me have to pay tax so welfare queens can sit at home and abuse their 5 kids from 5 different dads.
>>713801954I wish you guys had gotten more Luigi-alikes.
>>713812002No anon, you just want me to argue for the jewmug anon's points when I made it clear a long time ago that wouldn't be happening. You'll have to deal with the worst possible reality on 4chan: we just don't disagree on that much actually.
>>713800406Theyโre a necessary evil.
Automate ceo positions
Save the company 100s of millions
>>713811601Bad Management is a trickledown problem. Unironically that's the one thing the CEO should 100% be responsible for
>>713813031>if we just make the whole world shitty there will be nowhere for productive people that want to make things without useless government bureaucrats hampering them to godamn... what a hopeful vision of the future...
>>713812731Motherfucker, it's well known. They don't cheat on their taxes, they just deduct all their taxes through all sorts of channels.
Jeff Bezos paid a true tax rate of 1.1%.
Ok I was exaggerating, that's still a lot more cash than you or I would pay, but it's a ridiculously low true tax rate.
>>713810997>>713811429The system where people themselves can freely decide how much they are willing to pay and charge is the system that has the least poverty.
Your retarded idea where you get to decide how much somebody else is allowed to charge/pay is the one that ends in poverty so bad that that people are willing to put up walls to prevent people from escaping.
Your retarded ideology has been tried multiple times. It was hell.
>>713813518you have zero understanding of what you're talking about
>>713811601>what do you mean making a good game is more important than the window dressing Not to imply that modern UX designers are doing anything right on their end.
Calm, yet bold reminder that we were distracter with gender, race, religion and other wars to silence the real important war: class war.
The whole feminism, BLM etc etc stuff started getting loud on media suddenly and artificially while all the OWS movement was ignored on purpose. They fear the 99% and still do.
>>713813416Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
I'm not saying there's nowhere productive and taxing fairly won't make the whole world shitty, it'll even out the playing field. It'll build up the middle class and reduce the wealth in the upper class.
Statistics show that time and time again, that building a strong and large middle class leads to the happiest citizens. Look at scandos. They live in the freezing fucking cold and never see the sun, yet they're constantly on top of the best places to live and don't have nearly as many shithole ghettos like the US does.
The ever growing wealth gap will turn the US into places like Saudi Arabia or Dubai, where most of the population live in slums, while the rich build fucking enormous walls and ridiculous meme buildings.
>>713813236Hmmm I wonder if the human CEO would approve of getting rid of his extremely lucrative position? They will be the last to be replaced.
>>713813728Cool ok, please let me know how it's fair that their tax rates are so low compared to mine or yours.
>>713813794Maybe all the fag stuff is preferable to having the people who contribute nothing raging at the people who actually do stuff. Wealth is generated, not stolen.
>>713813236If that works make your automated company and become a billionaire. You won't because you are retarded and so are your ideas.
bros will i ever become rich, i have good savings, 20k dollas.
i really want to own my own restaurant, and work in kitchen
>>713813979what planet do you live on where rich people don't pay most of the tax revenue to the government?
>>713803623And tax the shit out of all their goods and services if they try to move their business overseas so they're locked out of the American market.
>WE NEED HIGHER TAXES SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN FUND A DUSTBORN SEQUEL
does /v/ actually think this way?
>>713800498>are just random individualsThey are people doing a job.
>the worst that happens to them is getting fired The codemonkey also just get fired when they are fucking around. You are the one who thinks that CEOs are mystical creatures and messiahs, that's why you are surprised that they aren't being treated in some magical way.
>in fact they're fucking nobodies and you could literally replace all of them with monkeysLeading a massive company is extremely challenging and requires abilities that only one in 10 million people have and is almost impossible to properly test for. If you actually had the ability to judge someones capability the way you think you do you would rule world.
You are a jealous retarded subhuman who would destroy everything you'd ever be put in charge in worse than a diversity hire.
god, i cant wait for this society to end. i hope we'll elevate after the next war, because this excessive and wasteful lifestyle is killing us all.
>>713813794>weI've been telling you stupid /pol/ niggers for almost a full decade now that all of this SJW/DEI/Whatever retardation is purely controlled opposition manufactured by whatever corporate kike wants you to stop noticing that they are allocating more and more power while you're arguing about colors and cocks with people who are equally poor. It's always been either some form of addictive ragebait opiate or explicit calls to action turning citizens into soldiers against other citizens. Stop letting them win and stop being pulled into this retarded fog of low-IQ nonsense.
>>713813979not him but because that "true tax rate" is a made up metric. it's comparing "wealth gain" instead of actual income witch includes things like stocks. if you never sell those stocks then you don't actually have any money to get taxed for. when he actually sells those stocks he'll get taxed like everyone else if he makes a profit from it.
>>713814691nothing ever happens, life will get slightly worse every day like it always did
>>713814576imagine defending a CEO of EA and arguing he is doing a good job lol.
>>713799938 (OP)The devs can always revolt and start their own thing if they hate it so much.
>>713814815i'd pull a gavrilo princip the first real chance i get. all it needs is someone start the end and pave the way for a beginning.
>>713814691If you want to starve to death so bad you don't have to ruin society, you can just stop eating.
>>713814797People like that have no concept of stocks and why billionaires exist at all. Ironically if they did understand such things they might be able to do better for themselves too.
>>713814691>ugh people are so wasteful because I'm not as rich as other people... anyways I'm going to spend the rest of my day playing video games
>>713814220A quick google showed that the top 1% paid 24% of the overall tax last year. The top 1% is apparently anyone who earns more than $800k.
Yes, rich do end up paying a higher percentage of the overall tax, but it's a drop in the bucket.
>>713814797But that's how they get away with all their bullshit. Throw all their wealth into unrealised gains so you can't be taxed and then when you need money, you just go to a bank and get a 0% interest loan backed by your unrealised gains.
Now you've got tax free money to buy whatever you want and uncle sam can't touch you.
Does it feel good that these people keep buying up everything and making it harder and harder for everyone else to live? Does it make you feel like a good goy?
>>713800406Ignoring the glownigs who are trying to get people to go super mario bros.
Electing people like Mamdani who will tax and regulate them while lifting up the working class.
Of course the right wing that run both parties will never let this happen.
>>713815252are you quoting someone, skizzo?
>>713800450Probably just has money in stocks and pays lawyers to write up favorable contracts that funnel most of the companies' revenues into his pockets.
>>713815205Oh I understand stocks, I'm invested in a few managed funds, but investments and compounding interest is just one of the many many ways that the 1%ers will always be ahead of everyone else and that the wealth gap will keep growing and growing.
I don't blame them for using these avenues to get lavishly wealthy, but I do blame them for bribing politicians to not close up the loopholes they use.
>>713815467Left and right almost don't matter anyways, they get lobbied and paid off so whether they're left or right, they'll do what they're told.
Maybe Mamdani will be better and I hope he does, but I'll believe it when I see it. We need the masses to call bullshit on everything and to properly demand change instead of fighting amongst themselves.
>>713815467>direction brained commieDissolving the IP lavs would go far further in fixing world, but that would not need a massive commietopia government.
>>713801579Some of Tesla's own employees call Elon Musk the "pigeon CEO" since he is the CEO of various companies, one of them being Tesla and he isn't there all the time but when he does come around after visiting all his other companies (and refusing to pay child support to some of the women he has had kids with), he will return to Tesla and then fire a hundred employees if they don't make enough money or even if they do make enough money. Doesn't help that Elon Musk is constantly hiring foreign pajeets to replace American tech workers either.
>>713816032>Mum commiesI keep forgetting in conservative clown world any time the anyone does anything that's inconveniences the rich, it's communism.
>>713816357yes using government thugs to steal money and labor from people is communism you useless NEET faggot
>>713816357>tax & regulate>working class>MUH RIGHTWING ARE LIKE JOOZ 4 REAL AND DEY RULE THE ESTABLISHMENTShut the fuck up commie
also
>removing IP laws? that a conservatism! My LGBTWTFBBQ+infinity corps would hurt!
>>713799938 (OP)>something that's been well known for decades>there are still devs that will turn to them to be their publisherIt's baffling, it's like making a deal with Satan, right down to the numerous warnings and actual recorded incidents of why it's a horrible idea that will fuck you over... and they still do it anyway.
>>713800406Kill anti-CEO leftists
he looks like his face was made in the Dragon Age Veilguard character creator.
>>713816469>>713816708Given how obnoxious and self righteous you are, I'll support communism just to spite you.
>>713799938 (OP)he looks like a bond villain
>>713816752Fuck the Oscars guy's games do fine.
White niggers be like
>A CEO is getting all the money? Good, that's capitalism , baby
>WHAIT, JEWS HAVE ALL THE MONEY? AH NO THEY'RE REPLACING US!!!!
>>713800406National syndicalism
>>713817030CEOs should be white.
>>713816923it's amazing how quickly you admitted you have no argument
>>713817135If you're the first corporate bootlicker, taxation isn't theft, it's part of the contract to live where you are.
If you're the second one, you just used a bunch of buzzwords so I'm just going to laugh at you.
Again, tax the rich, they're just hoarding it anyway.
Do the retards that hate CEOs go to a gas station and blame the manager for the high price of gas? Why are these people so proudly ignorant?
What has EA actually produced to justify this? What shareholder success justifies it? Labor activism aside what has this CEO done to make this make sense to shareholders
>>713816030>Left and right almost don't matter anywaysThis is actually a case of left verse right, at least for the democrats since the right wing controls the party, and this has been the case ever since Clinton and on top of being bought out by corporate interests. Their voters clearly want to see the party go left again instead of sliding further to the right, which is why people like Sanders and Mamdani have a lot of appeal.
>>713799938 (OP)>the strong exploits the weakBased? My only complaint is not being in his place.
>>713799938 (OP)Okay? I haven't bought an EA game in over a decade, which means I'm doing more to "fight the power" than the journos who show faux concern and the California progressives who still swing to bat and work for these corpos.
>>713801314they will move to cayman islands
>>713817501>flood the country with third world peasant>whoa look at all of this new wealth inequality!>lets steal money from productive Americans and give it to these interloperswow the nuDems are making a lot of sense right now!
>>713817489Their sports games are consistent high sellers with loads of extras built in, sports gamers are quite possibly bigger paypigs than gachatards, for shareholders heโs providing value as the company is consistently growing, even removing the FIFA branding did nothing to the games popularity and they saved money on paying FIFA for the name
>>713817708>Let me make up scenarios in my head in order to get workers to vote against their own self interests and let the rich hoard even more money and power.
>>713799938 (OP)The higher up you go in a corporation, the more you are paid to do less.
>/v/ is back to bootlicking billionaires now
huh? what happened in the past 2 weeks? was it some p*ssrael bombings or something?
>>713819474>we NEED higher taxes in order to... uhhh... import more third worlders I guess...what a great argument
>>713813096I think the main point on which we disagree is whether it's appropriate to pop up and say
>no workers shouldn't need to buy into their jobs in generalwhen someone is talking with someone else about a case where there is mandatory profit sharing in particular.
>>713819474Itโs the same phenomenon you see where they fight tooth and nail against anyone saying anything bad about Nintendo. Everyone here is a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
>>713800406Same as the solution to the world problem. I refuse to beleive anything but the most brutal blackpills about all things in and of the world could possibly be realistic. You will not find any hope in the world ever.
>>713814691>implying that the war would change the status quolol retard, war is just another hobby for the rich
>>713821092I need his picture with the "start doing this" edit
>>713801373>rich people will leave and not pay taxes>despite the fact that the ultra rich do everything in their power to not pay any taxes in the first place and that's how they got there in the first placeEverything about how our society works already includes the fact that rich people do not pay taxes. They already don't pay fucking taxes. They donate to "charities" or have offshore shell corps or another 1000 different ways to not pay fucking taxes. Their entire lifestyle is built around not paying taxes. Them leaving changes nothing
>>713819672Yep I'll take corporations over you aids breathing brown-hole licking faggots
>>713820348>newsweek>Trump in-law zionist rag Sounds like an endorsement if they're not even waiting a day to start the race baiting smear campaign.
BTW, you got a majority of all races except for blacks.
>>713813203They've been around for a long time, but the issue of their pay is a new one. Basically they're representing investors interests which are at odds with the interests of the workers and consumers. Them getting overpayed is a recent problem.
>>713821357That's actually the story of the collapse of worker support, consumer support, and then citizen support. Defaulting to a hierarchy that gives you lipservice while giving you left is effective.
>>713820348>jews getting taxed more>taxes different per zip codeOoooh noooo
>>713813203nuh uh, take as example Japan and Korea, one eat the rich and the other not
>>713799938 (OP)>Evil fucking company.
>>713802783Not just "a guy", he murdered one of the high caste. Dude's mysterious ((suicide)) is only a matter of time.
Why do unemployed losers care how much more money a corporation's CEO makes than a janitor?
>>713822363>janitors make median salary at EAThat would be cool. The issue is that there have been massive layoffs in game development and EA games keep getting worse. Workers and consumers are losing while he makes more and more money.
>>713822267Nintendo execs took pay cuts after the failure of the WiiU. How is Nintendo doing this?
>>713821494He's doing the race baiting himself. This is from his official website.
>>713822223jews are fleeing like rats because this guy won the democrat primary (and probably because Israel is about to do another falseflag), and NYC is still around 30% White.
I had no idea the socialist propaganda of "rich don't pay taxes" (in reality top 1% pay 45% of income tax) was something zoomers actually believed in. In case you didn't know it's based around stocks as unrealised gains aren't taxed (nor can they in reality) and leftoids use that to dishonestly claim they don't pay tax
>>713819642No, the main point we disagree on is whether or not there is more than one way to buy into a business in principle in regards to capital investment versus time and labor.
>is it really appropriateTo specify a point I disagree on with you and argue with you about it on 4chan? Yeah, retard. Maybe actually argue with me about the views I hold next time instead of being dishonest or stupid about what I was referring to.
>>713822626if shareholders care so much about saving money why don't they just fire their CEO and hire you?
>>713822969This is a thread about CEO pay. That's different than taxing stocks.
>>713822969>in reality top 1% pay 45% of income taxit's actually more like 24%-25% when it should be 90%
>>713822969>in reality top 1% pay 45% of income taxSo people with disproportionately high earnings pay disproportionately high taxes? That's crazy man.
>>713823070Because I would prioritize workers and consumers and not investors.
>>713823267ok well then start your own company without any investor money and see how that goes
>>713799938 (OP)late stage capitalism was a mistake, we need a reset
>>713824183>late stage capitalismHe actually said it! We did it reddit!
>>713824252Regan was also a mistake, this is where things started to go to shit
>>713822267Nintendo went to shit after Iwata died, everyone knows that, only corpo boot-lickers aka nintrannies can't accept it
>>713799938 (OP)they justify price increases by saying dev costs are increasing, but the devs salaries remain as stagnant as ever, meanwhile corporate execs and investors take all the money. when you buy a game, your money doesn't support the developers, it makes parasites like this wealthier.
>>713800406decorporatise creative industries
>>713824502That's more accurate. "Late stage capitalism" meme views these problems as new when workers and consumers historically have had to fight with the economic elite to get better treatment and benefit.