Thread 713828612

>To my knowledge, no one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers. That a game can aspire to artistic importance as a visual experience, I accept. But for most gamers, video games represent a loss of those precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic. - Quentin Tarantino

Is he right /v/?

Go make another film you hack

>every film just says nigger
No, he isn’t right

I don't care about the opinions of footfags!

>>713828612 (OP)
Has he ever even played a game?

>>713828612 (OP)
Yes
>a game can aspire to artistic importance as a visual experience
In other words, it's possible, but video games writers suck.
>But for most gamers, video games represent a loss of those precious hours
Same could be said about movies and other media. Mediocrity is everywhere.

>video games represent a loss of those precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic
Footfag jokes aside, keep in mind that he's also a huge fan of capeshit comics and grindhouse b-movies.

>>713830103
So he’s a dumb hypocrite?

>>713830816
>a hollywood celeb
Who could have thought?

>>713828612 (OP)
Expedition 33
>*mic drop*

he didnt say that

>>713828612 (OP)
Teal Mask and Indigo Disk prove all these statements false.

shit like journey and bastion definitely has way more "artistic value" than Once Upon a Time in Hollywood or the average capeshit movie does so yeah
"games aren't art" was largely seethe from filmmakers that the games industry is larger than film and music industries combined, now that hollywood is in decline their strategy is endless remakes and adapting IPs that are already successful.....including games lol

And talking about niggers and feet 24/7 does?

>>713828612 (OP)
How many more decades is it going to be until everyone admits feature films were a novelty thing

>>713828612 (OP)
Pulp Fiction was never good

>>713828612 (OP)
I wonder what he thinks about the Reservoir Dogs video game

>>713828612 (OP)
>makes mostly watered down bollywood movies but digestable for white people
>doesn't even respect martial arts or any content he makes movies out of
>is a zionist IDFellating shitstain of a "human" being

reminder that hollywoodslop is dying, gaming long overtook it as the biggest form of entertainment media. The last thing gaming needs is approval from tasteless fucks who would want every game to be shit like TLoU but with even more movielike, because that kind of shit is the only thing their limited tastes can value.

>>713828612 (OP)
Visual media has the exact same problem that vidya has had since its inception.
Creating media that explores touchy subjects and injects worthwhile ideas into a wider dialogue is not a safe bet for consumer appeal. They very few that i can name of the last 20 years (Idiocracy, raised by wolves), were rejected by studios on ideological grounds before consumers really got exposed to them.

And then there's the issues of Quentin himself, who has never produced anything intellectually worthwhile. All he's done is reflected the values of american higher education in stories that are more easily absorbed by plebeians.

Kek

>>713828612 (OP)
I love the guy but Tarantino is aware that his knowledge of games is extremely limited right? Like there's noway this dude has ever even heard of twilight syndrome or moon or anything like that. Not to say those necessarily fit his description of standing up to great works of art but just to demonstrate he's completely unfamiliar with any game outside of cod, mario, pac-man, etc

>filmmakers
that's the weakpoint of his argument. there are absolutely games than can be compared to the great film makers if you accept an emphasis on experiential aesthetic.ueda immediately comes to mind.

Hollywood is losing cultural relevance every decade as more people get entertained off social media, video games, and other activities unrelated to television and film, movie theaters are almost on their way out already.

>>713836949
>All he's done is reflected the values of american higher education
you can't say some nebulous bullshit like this without elaborating. he's ventured into plenty of dynamics academia wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.

>>713836949
You basically nailed it. Tarantino's whole shtick is remixing pop culture through a nostalgic lens and dressing it up like auteur cinema. He's the cinematic equivalent of a cover band that insists they're reinventing the genre. And you're dead right about the broader problem-games and film both hit the same wall: the market punishes anything trying to say something real. Every time a game pushes the medium (Pathologic, Disco Elysium, even Outer Wilds), it gets niche status while shovelware and cinematic baby’s-first-narrative slop gets awards and adoration. Tarantino couldn’t name a single one of those without his assistant googling it.

>>713836949
There's also the double standard. Andor- Has rape scene. Praised and told detractors to grow up because it's realistic even if the scene really didn't amount to much in the long run. Deltarune- one scene where some gets a visualized version of deflowering with a flower wilting. Remove it at once! Probably the mildest scene ever done and it had to be changed for the puritans.

It's a weird conflict where people say they want mature themes for their games but even the slightest hint of nudity gets calls to shut it down. A gory movie can get away with more than a gory video game can by comparison. We live in a world where journos who find Stellar Blade being sexy as disgusting while also lusting after anthropomorphized chairs and fridges in Date Everything and not seeing why they are the problem with modern gaming. We really can't progress because every one in and outside video games are holding it back for their own ideological reasons.

>people ITT actually believe this is a Tarantino quote
Is everyone on this board retarded?

>>713828612 (OP)
>>713828612 (OP)
Tarantino is wrong. Here’s the thing: he shits on not just games, but on TV series too. But none of his movies are as good as The Sopranos or The Wire or Mad Men. Likewise, none of his movies are as good as Witcher 3, Baldur’s Gate 3, or Expedition 33.

Yes, there are shite games like the EA, Ubisoft, or Activision sloppa, but there are also shite movies like what Michael Bay or Zack Snyder makes.

I’m a cinephile. I’ve been reading Lovecraft and realized that I can’t think of any mainstream movies this century as good as Half-Life 1. And Half Life isn't even that good.
Maybe Avatar, but it’s a tier below Aliens and Terminator 2, both which inspired Half-Life 1. Kek.

>>713828612 (OP)
Hollywood is nothing but slop and he is the slop king

>>713835874
Who cares what he thinks, the movie is based on City on Fire.

>>713828612 (OP)
Well writing and dialogue and cinematic shots in games are complete ass compared to the film industry so yeah.

AND THIS IS WHY gameplay and level design are king

>>713828612 (OP)
Wonder why he doesn't explore video game writing/production himself?

>>713840451
Supposedly he hates games because they’re too complex

>>713828612 (OP)
People like Tarantino are why Hollywood is dying.
Retarded CEOs don’t realize that going to the cinema isn’t vital in the first place. Movies aren’t food or medicine.

With that in mind, assuming a person wants entertainment, the retards also don’t realize why anyone would want to go to a movie when they can just watch a better older movie like Aliens or Terminator 2, play a video game like Baldurs Gate 3or Expedition 33, or just watch their favorite episode of The Wire or Sopranos.

In other words, when two movies come out, they’re not just competing against each other — they’re also competing with old movies, old series, and games.

>>713840451
>>713840502
Tarantino has watched thousands of movies, so his brain only works within that movie structure. He’s incapable of writing a good season of a series—or a 13-episode arc (the average length of a season of The Sopranos and The Wire)—or a 20-hour game.

Ironically, Kojima is a movie fan who writes games as if they were series.

That's a Roger Ebert quote, not Tarantino.
Also, Alpha Centauri's writing eclipses the entire garbage, plebian medium of film. Only literature surpasses it.

There's some truth to that but the people that say things like this I think fundamentally don't understand the medium or what can be done with it. The question shouldn't be "ARE THERE ANY GAMES WHICH CONTEST FILMS?", the question should be, what in particular inhibits a game from being artistically great? Making end all be all statements about a creative medium just seems a bit absurd to me if you can't point to particular overarching realities of it.

>>713840746
You are right. Roger Ebert died in 2013. By then there were already great games, that quote has no excuses.

>>713835874
Why does it called reservoir? Isn't reservoir a place to store liquid?

>>713828612 (OP)
>laughs in Planescape Torment

>>713841116
Wild dogs fighting and devouring one another around the refuse of a reservoir.

>>713830816
He's a Hollywood director, yes

>>713838702
we live in society

>>713828612 (OP)
He’s right but film also hasn’t come anywhere close to the heights of literature and probably never will

It's funny seeing movie and book snobs seethe more and more over videogames. Videogames were always looked down upon by common people but now it's easily the biggest industry out there, and now you see all these actors flocking towards videogames because movies just aren't worth shit anymore. And of course nobody reads books anymore. Life has progressed beyond these people and instead of advancing as well, they dig their feet and do nothing but bitch like bitter old boomers

>>713842408
>and now you see all these actors flocking towards videogames
And they make shitty interactive movie video games and approach video game writing and overall design like it's movie or a novel because of their education.

>>713842196
A lot of writers are actually quite poor to be honest

>>713840502
that's fair honestly. tarantino wants to shoot a scene(excluding cg greenscreen movies), he gets the actors, the crew, they read his script and it gets done in a workday. every frame and inch of a modern videogame is an ordeal.

everyone in this thread is fucking retarded, QT doesn’t talk like that and if you highlight/google search the quote you can also see Ebert said it.

>>713828612 (OP)
He's not wrong, regardless of what you think of his movies. The best Vidya stories are barely up to scratch with b movie plots. Vidya will never be and should never be movies.

>>713828612 (OP)
Hmm, I would argue that because the very nature of art is subjective, it really just boils down to what one considers cultured, civilized, and empathetic. Does one not experience samples of foreign cultures through video games? Does one not develop sociability and manners, and therefore civility, through cooperative interaction in games not possible with non-interactive media such as movies? Do stories in games not seek to elicit empathy, sympathy, and other emotions from their audience?
But in the end, it's a blessing in a way that many wealthy directors and businesspeople think the way he does, as well as many artists and aspiring media professionals. If they all accepted it and went whole hog on trying to do this with games, well we'd have a lot less in the way of games focused around user enjoyment, and more games that try to deliver socially or culturally relevant lessons. And most people who enjoy games would probably prefer them separate from the hollywood crowd, because they're already making a mess with the involvement they have.

>>713829280
>Same could be said about movies and other media. Mediocrity is everywhere.
I think you misunderstood that part, i think he means that most gamers don't play games for art, but just as a way to pass the time, and considering which games make the most money, he's right

>>713830103
>Watch the latest capeshit
>1 hour and a half wasted at best, 2 and a half at worst
>play scrimblo blimbo the revenge or cornelius
>waste 8 hours minimun, double that if 100%

>>713828612 (OP)
Kind of, its not like his movies are something greater, pulp fiction is s title that definies everything he makes

>>713828612 (OP)
What a fucking idiot. Most of the fields he cited are a torrent of garbage too. And as for implying that if I wasn't sitting here gaming I'd be reading....get fucked nigger, Project Moon made me read more classical literature than any of your shit ever did.

>>713845960
Maybe don't watch and don't play slop?

>>713828612 (OP)
he didn't say that

>>713848189
So do i play shorter or longer games?

video games inherently can't be art because they all serve the same purpose of entertaining you.

>>713848441
What's art, then?

>>713844956
>that’s the joke
Maybe from OP but everyone else is engaging with it as it appears

>>713837846
>almost

>>713848532
Period blood on a canvas, and a crucifix in jar of piss.

>>713829191
He played pacman that´s it

>>713828612 (OP)
>To my knowledge, no one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers.
Yeah and no one can cite a Tarantino movie fitting that criteria either.

>>713828612 (OP)
We are so retarded, that he didn´t even said that

I'm waiting for this foot fetish freak's final film, why is he seething about video games overtaking his business, when he's not participating in it either way. Also, yes his films are fun but half of them are extremely jewish like inglorious bastards, jango and even hateful eight has that scene where the nigger rapes a guy. I mean I get it, he's a freak with a plethora of weird fetishes but how much man rape can you put in your movies? Pulp fiction had man rape, hateful eight had man rape, like come on dude.

>>713848929
Stupid faggot looks like a (((mutant nerd))) wouldn't be surprised if he's a crypto.

>>713848532
art is about evoking an experience from someone or yourself. it's a pursuit of conveying things that normal language can't encapsulate. games are about accomplishing a goal and working around a reward system. it's more psychology than art if anything.

>>713828612 (OP)
So this is a whole genre of thread huh? Just posting anybody's image and then the Ebert quote.

I'm still sad that The Film Critic got canceled. Seemed like a fun idea

>>713849713
Except Pitt as the lead that was a fucking terrible idea if true

>>713828612 (OP)
Literally who

>>713828612 (OP)
Absolutely. Video games have no real artistic value, they do not excel at any one field of the arts.
They have art in them, sure, but they're just silly toys.

>>713828612 (OP)
Games are literally not as good as novels. Read the entire 20 book Aubrey/Maturin series, its so good you can't even imagine. Everybody here acknowledges videogames are shit, its time to look at something good for a change. Paltry AAA graphics cannot compare with the graphics of your own imagination properly stimulated by masterful prose.

>>713828612 (OP)
>more cultured, civilized and empathetic
True. but this is kinda rich coming from someone who only makes absolute slop like Tarantula

>>713828974
bugfags are even worse thoughbeit