People mostly just seem to talk about Nioh 2. Is that because it's the only REALLY good one, or Is the original good too?

>>713851227 (OP)
I preferred the story of 1 and the ability to give my character huge tits in 2.

>>713851227 (OP)
Gameplay wise (and everything else) 2 is just better. 1 is still good tho

>>713851227 (OP)
1 is good and still worth playing, but 2 is a improvement in almost every way.

>>713851227 (OP)
2 is the good one; the original is Code Vein / Lords of the Fallen tier.

>>713851227 (OP)
Nioh 1 is great, but I'm convinced there's been some kinda stealth difficulty nerf, I swear this game was much harder 8 years ago

story and fashion souls, and kino William sama were better in 1, but 2 still had its moments with the music, the setting, the feels, etc. 2 is talked about more primarily thanks to the gameplay. It also doesn't hurt that you're literally a half-yokai in 2.

>couldn't afford Okatsu's actress, so they just kill her off in 2 off screen
If she doesn't show up in some DLC with William-sama in Nioh 3, I am never buying another game from Tecmo-Kekei ever again

>>713851227 (OP)
Story is better in 1
That's really about it
Nioh 2 improved pretty much every complaint from Nioh 1 from 'shit that was bad' to 'shit that pointless'

Nioh 1 is fantastic but if you're only going to get one, get 2.

>>713851534
You got better at the game, anon
You'll die in 3 hits to most enemies with bad armor at the start but you just got better at the game

I enjoyed the first more.

>>713851227 (OP)
I am once again shilling the first Nioh

>>713851227 (OP)
I beat the main game years ago and I still haven't bothered to play through the DLCs yet

2 is a better game (since it's more of the same but just expanded and more refined) but 1 is still an excellent game. Also it was a while ago now but participating in the demos, writing out stuff for the surveys and shooting the shit with you guys here leading up to release was a lot of fun.

You also need to remember that pre-Nioh, Team Ninja had been struggling for years after Itagaki had left and had become a bit of a joke, so them going from crap like NG3, Yaiba and that Metroid game to a great game like Nioh was really a return to form.

>>713851534
Nioh 1 difficulty falls off a cliff after the third boss or so and only really picks up in the postgame

>>713851227 (OP)
I never did figure out why Nioh 2 is talked about so much more. Did Nioh 1 came out at the wrong time? Was it competing with Dark Souls in any way?
Anyway I love the original Nioh. In fact, I wouldn't say 2 is better, it just has a lot more stuff than the first.
But I also found the demon stuff just kind of meh, like yeah it's cool and adds more stuff to the combat, but I was fine with just the stances and skills.
For example, the demon counter and demon form were not really improvements IMO, and the demon skills are cool but most are just underwhelming and not worth using when your weapon could do what the demon skill does but better.
One thing I do like about 2 more than 1 is the Depths. I got up to floor ~500 of the Abyss and just gave up, it was too fucking long. The Depths, on the other hand, were just the right length.

>>713851534
It's still pretty difficult unless you purposefully cheese/use easy mode items.

It's good, but 2 is really a straight upgrade overall. Basically a true sequel as was traditionally thought of.

>>713851752
>>713852504
>2 is a better game cuz it has more moves
it stinks man

>>713853021
>Did Nioh 1 came out at the wrong time?
I think 2 just had a lot more hype around it. 1 was PS exclusive and by the time PC came out people weren't as interested but by the time 2 came out the Nioh praise was much higher.

Also the pessimistic answer is that Nioh 2 is a much easier game so people believe it's better. 1 can be made easy but you have to learn "tech" to abuse some bad glitches.

>>713853190
No, 2 is a better game because the enemies are better, the bosses are better, the weapons are more completem the yokai abilities are good and overal there is better balance in item sets

story is worse

>>713853190
>Also the pessimistic answer is that Nioh 2 is a much easier game so people believe it's better. 1 can be made easy but you have to learn "tech" to abuse some bad glitches.
>implying
Nioh 1 is basically 'get boss to half health, use LW, win'

I like 1 more because it filtered faggots who played as women in 2.

>>713851227 (OP)
Story was better in 1, despite liking monkey man in 2

>>713851227 (OP)
Both games are extremely good and worth playing. Nioh 2 is just even better, because it takes everything that makes Nioh 1 good while building on and refining it further, then introducing even more mechanics and features that expand things in genius ways. Nioh 3 is close to be doing the same thing once more as long as some small aspects are refined and kept at the same level as before.

Nioh 1 has one of the best non-FROM bosses ever both in design and gameplay, but IMO, the boss designs fall off pretty hard.

>>713853021
>>713853190
Create-a-character has a lot to do with it. A good chunk of the people who play these sorts of games are weirdos obsessed with self-inserting so being able to make some grotesque looking kunoichi chick with giant breast implants is more vastly appealing than Ireland's favourite weaboo. Also don't forget Wirriam got shat on for a long time for supposedly being a Geralt ripoff.

>>713851227 (OP)
It's good but if you're preparing for 3 I would honestly skip it for now and just play 2. There's so much overlap in content and 2 is just straight up better.

>>713854058
>implying from slop have good bosses
Anon, they really, really don't
It's mostly either slow utter shit or else bullet hell in 3d

>>713854232
Gaping Dragon alone mogs most everything in NIOH.

>>713854117
Well some shitty games and devs think if you only have a character like William, you can only do single player games. More games should just be like classic FPSes or Nioh, where you can have 20 Duke Nukems or 3 Williams.

>>713853913
You can literally transform into a female in 1.

>>713851529
Def not nearly as bad as either one of those but definitely felt like a derivative of souls rather than its own action game. Nioh 2 leaned into its strengths excellently.

I only used matchlock in both so in that regard nioh 1 was better since it had abilities catered to it

>>713853190
>Also the pessimistic answer is that Nioh 2 is a much easier game
Nioh 1 had literal invulnerability with living weapon spam

I hope Nioh 3 does well but after the RotR/DD2 fiasco I'm paranoid KT are gonna be tards and release it on the same day as Onimusha 5 or something

>>713854647
>I hope Nioh 3 does well but after the RotR/DD2 fiasco

Oof. Imagine the people dumb enough to buy DD2.

>>713854647
>the RotR/DD2
Dragon's Dogma 2 or something else?? I can't imagine those being real competitors.

>>713853598
>the enemies are better, the bosses are better
They aren't
>the yokai abilities are good
If you believe this then you are DEFINITELY wrong. Yokai abilities are the most baby mode mechanic added to the game.

>>713854454
t. Never played Nioh 1
Nioh 2 is just Nioh 1.5. They're pretty much the same game.

>>713856142
If you're low skill they're pretty much the same game, if you know how to make the most of 2 it's in another universe.

>>713856056
>you are wrong because my opinion is bad

You love to see trolls expose themselves
Now you good be a good little boy and play by the rules from now on, mkay?

>>713856437
The enemies are made worse because of burst counter. Yokai enemies are generally nerfed because yokai pools aren't as strong, and the "max health reduction" mechanic makes taking their ki out a lot easier. Movesets are about the same but there's a severe lack of human enemies. Humans were an actual part of Nioh 1 and they put up a fight, human enemies were generally actually tougher than yokai bosses because of their living weapon mode.

Yokai abilities are not well designed, being able to completely cancel out of your animations and regen ki makes ki management a lot less important, makes move commitment less of an issue, and gives you easy defense with feral and even phantom. A lot of the yokai abilities are too slow which makes them practically useless while the good ones give you a ton of ki damage to break enemies even faster.

Nioh 2 expands movesets quite a bit but it's easy to argue that a lot of moves aren't as useful as they should be. There are a lot of fun skills added tho and Fists are great.

>>713857364
human enemise don't get LW
Bosses do

You will get no more replies since you're doubling down on rule breaking
You have a nice evening

>>713851227 (OP)
2 is just a flat improvement over 1 in every way. 1 has some charming jank to it though and Willy is keyed. I always recommend people play it eventually.

Janomecho wife

any tips on using yokai abilities in 2? kinda got through the 2 without learning to use them

>>713858382
>kinda got through the 2 without learning to use them
How my man, they're extremely helpful in the dark realm because they make up for the reduced stamina regen. Just use them when you can and don't hold on to the anima as if you need to save it for later. It builds back pretty quickly. Yatsu-no-Kami is pretty busted if you want a fun one to try first.

>>713858561
>How my man
I persevered, thanks otherwise

>>713857521
>human enemise don't get LW
>Bosses do
No shit retard, that's why I compared them to yokai bosses.

You won't give a real reply because you have no argument. Get BTFO faggot.

Just finished Nioh 1 and its DLC. It takes a bit to get going but once you hit the 4th or 5th level it really gets a nice stride and it only gets better as it continues.
Once I beat the DLC boss and saw all the other missions were rated for 100 levels higher than I was though, I decided to stop there so I could play the next one. Maybe I'll go back someday and grind up to fight Jin Hayabusa but I'm not really into grinding in games.

>>713857364
How many times do you need to be taught this lesson? Burst Counter is an excellent method of adding a back and forth pacing to stronger yokai fights while not overtaking the entirety of their fight due to it being enemy dictated. They offer several approaches both in what Burst Counter you're using and when/how you decide to counter them, and whether you decide to BC them at all as it's not always the best choice. Max Ki reduction (what I assume you meant) allows much more strategy in long term combat which I know terrifies you. Humans in every Nioh game are fundamentally broken, Nioh 1 not only is just as bad in this aspect but the larger damage output makes them even weaker than both Nioh 2 humans and both game's Yokai bosses, with very few exceptions. I know I already told you about Living Weapon turning them into Yokai but that doesn't exclusively make them tougher than Yokai in either game just because some of them are on par.

Yokai Skills are extremely well designed because the cancel is balanced by their cost and their complete inability to be cancelled themselves. You're not removing move commitment by committing to something that keeps you occupied for even longer. This goes for Feral and Phantom as well. That commitment adds another layer to Ki management by pairing it with Anima management and building, and since previously Flux 2 gave functionally infinite Ki for little effort and enemies don't die instantly Ki management is much more important than in 1. There are a huge variety of Yokai Skills of different speeds, strengths and utilities and every single one except about 2 are strong and worth using. This is similar to the weapon skills as well, where only a tiny handful of the entire number across all weapons are a little weaker while still being usable. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about and is falling on assumptions of "if there's a lot some MUST be useless!".

>When you idle the commie game for its trading cards
>The only people that make the money from my card sales are the suits that fucked those same commie pinkos over

>>713851227 (OP)
The original has better atmosphere but the gameplay is far superior in 2

>>713851227 (OP)
Nioh 1 is fantastic, it's just that 2 is largely an all-around upgrade.

>>713851227 (OP)
The original is actually superior in a lot of ways I think. The story is just much better (I won't spoil things, but 2 annoys me because you're basically a mindless cuck that always does what people tell you), the sound effects for various things were changed in the sequel and are much worse, Living Weapon was just cooler and it sucked that this was never expanded upon like what the NPCs could do (instead you are a Yokai in the sequel and there's only 3 that everyone has), it even had a few western equipment you could use and there's probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. Yes, the sequel does have some good aspects like character creation, more enemy variety and some other thing, but in a way, I thought it was a disappointing sequel because they didn't really expand on various things of the original (letting you equip moves in whatever slots you wanted is another example).

>>713861623
>>713861671
People say that but nobody would ever say this about Dark Souls 2.

>>713861623
Really? The story was better but I think 2's levels look and feel better in general.

>>713861156
Mission level means absolutely nothing, you should have noticed this by how the stats increased when you were levelling up, along with how lethal all your options are while not being tied to level. Grinding is never once necessary to beat anything in the game, and even if you want to get something it doesn't take long except for the utmost specific setup at endgame. Anyway, congrats on beating the game, you should finish all the missions at least on that difficulty before moving onto 2, but otherwise there's a lot to look forward to.

>>713851227 (OP)
I liked the first one better desu

>>713861739
what's ur point

>>713858382
Try to have one that's cheap and fast, one that's strong with good Ki damage, and otherwise plug any gaps in utility or elemental options with them. The variety in choice is their strength and the sooner you learn to swap Spirits to use all 6 you have the better. They refill your Ki while using them so you can spend that Ki on rebuilding Anima on hits, use them to chain offense on safe openings. They also do much more max Ki damage when a yokai is out of Ki, so use the Anima to bring them down after you get damage out of the Ki break before they recover. There are many defensive ones too, but transforming ones avoid grabs.

>>713861904
Nobody would ever say "omg dude you gotta play dark souls 3/elden ring and never dark souls 1!"

>>713858382
Best are the ones that give you movement because they double as defensive tools that can be used at any time. Something like the monkey jump, or the spinning three headed boss work as dodge/repositioning tools regardless of ki. Add them into combos and you can do crazy burst and still be safe.
It's the same reason why the best form is Feral. The game gives you enough sources of damage put with living weapon + feral dodge + 2 yokai abiilities on top of your usual dodge/block you have no excuse anymore.

>>713861825
I was able to do a lot of the other side missions but somehow with Hayabusa I was only ever able to hit him like 1 or 2 times besides getting two shot so I think I just threw in the towel lol

>>713851227 (OP)
2 is just 1 but with more shit

>>713862123
The Souls games combat changes more between releases while Nioh 2 is basically 1's gameplay + more, and Souls games put more emphasis on unique levels and unique enemies/bosses than Nioh which reuses them all over the place. It's not the same thing at all.

>>713851227 (OP)
The original is good, Nioh 2 is mostly an overall improvement. Nioh 2 is less a fully upgraded sequel and more of nioh 1.5, where you get more weapons, more mechanics, more enemies, better areas but the core game structure is 90% the same. The original has a marginally better story as william has voice acting unlike the silent protag of 2. It also has a couple of bosses that weren't brought forward to 2, like Hino enma, joro-gumo, and the raiku iirc. Both are worth playing, but if you only have the time or money for a single game, you can skip to 2 just fine.

>>713853021
yeah people were skeptical of Nioh 1 as the game started as a dynasty warriors style game and after a decade of restarting production and remaking it, they ended up with a souls like so people thought it was just going to be another 5/10 forgettable souls like. The end result and it's difficulty impressed a lot of people so they had higher expectations for Nioh 2, most of which I would say it lived up to. Nioh 1 also had way less enemy variety and more samey environements, so more players got bored and dropped it compared to 2.

>>713854326
>muh giant spectacle boss that doesn't actually do much of anything besides be a moving hitbox
Dark souls has almost no good humanoid bosses and Nioh did those very well. Even in terms of spectacle, Lady Osakabe, the final boss and thousand eyes were all pretty cool monster fights

>>713862123
level design in Nioh is largely very samey, it's flat corridors and tight hallways while Dark souls has big open areas that allow for actual exploration. That and Nioh 2 largely brought over most of the bosses, weapons, etc. While yes, DS2 is largely a big upgrade compared to 1, they have very different areas to explore and different enemies and bosses to encounter which make both worth playing. Nioh 1 has some exclusive stuff, but many people would say the stuff you miss out on isn't that big of a deal.

>>713851227 (OP)
The original is definitely better overall, but the second one's gameplay is generally considered be an improvement by action enthusiasts.
The yokai realm mechanic for every single boss in 2 kinda makes the gameplay worse for me, but what do I know.

>>713863239
>While yes, DS2 is largely a big upgrade compared to 1
ok lets not be crazy here

>>713851529
Not even close

Feral > Phantom >>>>>> Brute

>>713851227 (OP)
Nioh 1 is still awesome and it has a much better story IMO. Nioh 2 just dialed it up and is more addictive to play

>>713862234
He's a difficult fight to read the first time round, but he's still weak to parries and can be spaced out and punished well on his long strings, he can even be headshot on his Ninpo if you're fast enough. If you die that fast then bring in the Quickchange and Protection talismans, they're always a reliable option.