I still don't understand why are they doing this.

>>713880589 (OP)
>lets learn absolutely nothing about why people hated the last few games and completely double down on all it's flaws. That's how we'll make a new successful Battlefield game
AAA game devs need to all be purged, there is no one intelligent working at any one of them anymore.

>>713880589 (OP)
>>713880934
there is nothing wrong with this
faggot ass zoomer retards, BF4 had similar elements just differently implemented
i bet you fucking FAGGOTS didn't even play BF2042 even once, so you have no FUCKING idea about the actual problems of that game
kyselves, possibly alongside your family

>>713880589 (OP)
Don't care, still playing BF2042.

>>713881079
Retard. I can guarantee with 90000% certainty that I played more 2042 than you.

it’s a dead IP.
Let go already

>>713880589 (OP)
it will happen
one class will be superior to others
>class get nerfed
other class will take its place
>another nerf
it's the MMORPG shitty cycle all over again but on a shitty fps games

>>713881079
>i bet you fucking FAGGOTS didn't even play BF2042 even once
I envy them. Worst vidya purchase of my life.

Why do pleople pretend classes didnt exist in bf? It was the special heroes that broke that mold.

>>713881508
Zoomers that have never played any pre-Frostbyte Battlefield game.

Battlefield is for retarded faggots, I can't wait for it to come out so they all leave reforger

>>713880934
I heard they hired some esports schmuck as game designer

>>713881079
>BF4 had similar elements just differently implemented
DMRs and carbines didn't outclass the kit-locked weapons. Shotguns only excelled in CQ and the majority of players used them in infantry-centric maps like Locker or Metro.
>BF2042
The class system they're trying to push here is not any different than current 2042 and it is one of the actual problems that 2042 has, anyone with a brain called it out that before that game even came out with players finding the best or optimal gun (PP-29, BSV-M, RM68, VHX-D3) paired with the few best Specialists out of the 14 characters (Mackay, Falck, Lis). Same thing will occur in BF6 but instead of Specialists people are going to pick the meta gun(s) with classes like Assault and Engineer in medium-to-large maps or Assault & Support in small infantry-focused maps or layouts.

>>713880589 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se2xa3-Yj6s
you can't even come up with a coherent counter-argument - because you don't have one.
>m-muh teamplay!
it never EVER existed in fucking battlefield and up sick of LARPing retards pretending otherwise. I don't care what you and your faggot squad of 4 jobbers got up too - in the real word, people try to have an impact solo and being forced to play with garbage SMG's (in the engineers case) sucked dick.
these are great changes so far, cope&seethe.

>>713882225
You're thinking of DRUNKKZ3, there's also one of the Symthic.gg guys that worked on BF1's gunplay/weapon balance is working on BF6 too as well.

>>713882230
I love how this anon is implying people were not running only medic trains with the AEK\ACE in pretty much every gamemode and map of BF4.
Nope, that never happened.
This rose-tinted delusional memory people have of BF4 where everything was perfect and balanced is honestly very amusing, even after all these years.

>>713882260
>marblecuck
He's only doing because one of his Symthic butt buddies is working on the game. BF2042 is literal proof that everything he says is wrong besides individual play since these Symthic or competitive BF autists are more obsessed with the gunplay and KD stats in Battlefield (lmao) than anything else.
>>m-muh teamplay!
Hmmm I wonder why, surely it's not DICE's fault that they've been fucking up the class system for a decade....

Battlefield hasn't been good in nearly 15 years.

Give it up, move on, I know it's difficult but you'll be better for it.

Non-class locked weapons makes for a very boring Battlefield experience. If I can run any gun on any class and I'm the average player I'm going to pick the meta weapon and run it on the meta class or class I like best, thus contributing nothing to the TEAM in this TEAM based shooter and extract all the fun from the game. Everyone will either be running self-heal assault which can carry TWO self-heals and recharge their heal on kill with those asinine perks (they need to delete perks) or just medic so they can feed their own ammo and the meta gun of the week. Boring. No cohesion. See BF4 and 2042.

>>713882260
>class-based shooter shouldn't have its classes defined by weapons

>>713880934
>people hated the last few games
2042 and BF5 has exact opposite class systems. BF5 is very strict like BF1. 2042 is open.

>>713883076
Who said anything about medic trains? Anon claims that this system is somehow similar to it but in reality it isn't, the point is that not every class in BF4 had access to the best guns in the game like 2042.

>>713882260
BF4 has goated SMGs such as MX4, UMP, SCZ. Literally skill issue if you use carbine over an SMG.

>>713883659
Just wait until they start begging DICE to remove vehicles and reduce the map size, with this retarded mindset no wonder people call modern BF "CoD with bigger maps".

>>713880589 (OP)
It looks like battlefield 4's class system?

>>713885612
it's only similar to BF4 with the field upgrades
all weapons are accessible there no restrictions just like 2042

>>713882260
Limitations are what make games fun and create roles. A game where anyone can do everything is bland. The whole point of classes is to lock people into hard coded roles with set weapons/ranges with a bunch of gadgets too. Seeing as you are going to be using your main weapon 90% of the time you play saying that classes are still unique because of gadgets is retarded.
Its like the morons that try to imply launch 2042 was the best bf ever when it was the least battlefield like game to date. Go play something else honestly.

>>713880589 (OP)
hubris

>>713886352
that's gay

even if the class system was good then fortnite skins they'll add will make the game gay as shit and just as bad as modern cod

>>713880589 (OP)
Women soldiers already made sure I wouldn't buy the game, I don't wanna hear K-pop concert fangirls when people scream on the battlefield.

>>713880589 (OP)
no server browser and grindslop attachment system

bf4 will never be replaced

>>713880589 (OP)
The gunplay and map design in the playtests was so bad that I have lost all interest entirely. I don't care what they do anymore, it's not Battlefield and the series is dead.

no server browser = no buy
no zoomslop for me

>Are you white male ? Then you wont have access to our Beta
GTFO buying shit form EA at this point, wokest company besides Microslop & Activision

If they want to let any class carry any weapon they cant just slap a tiny bonus for the right weapon/class combo, like the sniper with longer breath hold.
They should make the weapons outside of class have worse handling because weapon/gadget synergy will always be better then bringing a weapon that has the tiny extra assist, even though any other works fine or better depending on how versatile it is.
Same issue with any assault rifle being capable of bringing thermals and long range scopes while sight flipping at the same time.
Stop making the player so damn versatile.

>>713880589 (OP)
This looks like complete shit. Why do people buy games from EA?

I still think Red Orchestra 2 did the right thing with the F2P rifleman class and then the other classes were highly specialized. You ended up having a much more balanced match out of it, at least thats how i felt.

>>713886352
>Field upgrades
I love my squad getting wiped while doing nothing despite the game telling them they are the last person on the squad which means they should be in cover to preserve field upgrades.

>>713880589 (OP)
I don't understand what's wrong in this image. It's not stupid fucking operators, right? Good.

>>713882260
Engineer had other tools that were fun tho.

>>713891342
where'd they say that

>>713891986
there are operators, just not specialists like in cod bo4

Keeping weapons locked behind classes is retarded. Im glad they are getting rid of it. Fuck off

>>713891467
Carrying a non-signature weapon should cost one of your class gadget slots or something. If you want versatile weapon choices then the rest of your build shouldn't be as specialized at the same time.

Fucking with the class decisions and balancing is nothing new though. Every other game since BF2 tries to change something. You'd think they would have found what works and what doesn't by now.

>>713892694
so true sis
#everyonesbattlefield

That just mean Achmed will pick the old lady with a sniper rifle-carbine “DMR” with self revive and never play with the team because she sharts all over the map every 60 seconds

>>713890007
That's the best part of nuBF games though. Women screaming in agony when you kill them.

bump

>>713891986
>there are 4 classes (assault-engie-support-recon)
>all weapons will be universal and not restricted, instead there will be small bonuses if you're using a specific gun category with the intended class (pic related)
>there's a field upgrade system for the classes just like BF4

Oh look several troglodytes parroting dumb shit about server browsers even though every single battlefield has had a server browser.

You have to get your messaging correct, you want OFFICIAL SERVERS to be visible in the server browser so that sweats can easily stack teams/stomp people that just queue up for matchmaking.

>>713880589 (OP)
>why can't the game be EXACTLY what I want to play and NO ONE else?
BF2042 was great just needed better maps and more destruction and engineers that could build reinforcements

>>713897974
Why did they swap LMGs and SMGs between Engineer and Support?

>>713898947
>give players the tools to create the exact type of battlefield they want

>no one uses it because someone has a popular server in portal and that means nothing else will ever be populated.

>>713881239
it's not dead from just one failure (2042) but it will be if this flops too

>>713897974
>LMGs and revives
Support is just the Medic from Bad Company now

>>713899217
So that's not really a design issue, that's a popularity issue, which is exactly why BF2042 was made the way that it was.

>>713881079
>i bet you fucking FAGGOTS didn't even play BF2042 even once
i bought it on sale and the fucking thing wouldn't launch unless i fucked with some setting in my BIOS so i got a refund

>>713899217

you forgot about he mono map thing, which sadly happens on every fucking game and kills all the other servers with better maps and setups

>>713899217
No one uses portal because no one wants to play ''Afghanistan/Iran/Ukraine War Milisim 1000% Damage, Hardcore, No Bullet Drop!'' servers.

2042's problem isnt every gun being accessible for every class, like most players are idiots who still played crappy specialists like Boris anyways. There is going to be meta abuse regardless of class locked weapons, and most people will be using guns that give you bonuses for matching certain weapons with certain classes.

2042 sucks because theres like only 3 okayish maps in total and the mouse input is just awful like genuinely ruins the game experience.

>>713880934
>AAA game devs need to all be purged

executed, anon. Executed

Battlefield went to shit with 3 and that was a game I liked.
There was a shift in the mentality of the playerbase
>Initially no commo rose, when they finally added it the damage was already done teamwork with random nobodies was at this point gone but, it was still fun with a couple of friends
>Shift in map design philosophy, instead of having a couple of chokehold outposts, let's try to double the amount by shrinking the maps

>>713880589 (OP)
The game in its current state it was clearly designed with class-locked weapons in mind so I can only assume their mountains of cope are to try to justify a change made to support skin sales.

>>713902159
You are only describing the vanilla infantry maps

>>713904589
Compare the size of Strike at Karkand in 2&2142 to the 3 version.

>>713901376
>most people will be using guns that give you bonuses for matching certain weapons with certain classes.
None of the alpha footage reflects this.

>>713881079
Calm down Moomin

>>713899053
They didn't? Support always has LMGs and Engineer is usually SMGs or carbines.

>>713899291
Support in BF6 is Medic + Support (ammo guy) combined into one. You can drop a bag that can simultaneously heal & restock ammo.

I shall run a short barrel 417 with noob tubes.

And I shant apologize.

>>713880589 (OP)
Pretending to be a class shooter but not really

>>713880589 (OP)
>separate assault and medic because the combination was too OP
>merge medic with support so one class has heals, ammo, and grenade launchers

>make a carbine weapon class and balance them as assault rifles but worse
>add tons of them until they're tied for second largest group of weapons

>give every class assault rifles

To be fair, they don't know why they're doing it either.

>>713897974
Can I run around one shotting people with a shotgun?
t. used to do that a lot in 2142

>>713880589 (OP)
t b h that was last month who knows DICE might revises their original class plan BF6 after the community test feedback

>>713880589 (OP)
>>713880934
>>713881079
Please, explain to me, what is wrong with it, what should be and what was in the peak?

>>713883076
They weren't, because they would get immediately blown up by a tank

>everyone on the map is just going to be Assault or whatever else is best + the best AR
Gay

>>713908160
call of duty and counter strike are like that, and plebs like them both.

>>713899272
name 1 (one) single time a video game IP returned from the dead

>>713907819
you might be actually retarded if you seriously think that these companies change their games for the better after feedback

>>713909227
Doom (2016).
Dead franchise for over a decade, resurrected with a game that not only brought the series back with style but basically reinvented the modern single-player FPS. From meme status to GOTY contender in one release. Hell, even the music slaps.

I'll probably get this

>>713883386
You are actually delusional if you think people are going to switch their loadouts, even less their classes to cater to the team's needs.

>>713912756
I do it.

>>713913031
You are a pearl in a sea of turds, Anon.

>>713912756
People who play more than one class usually switch classes based on their own needs which are often a reflection of the team's needs.
The guy who switches to engineer to destroy a vehicle that is annoying him is engaging in teamplay if inadvertently. If the team didn't need someone playing anti-tank the vehicle would have already been destroyed. The same logic applies to those who switch to support when they keep running out of ammo, medic when they can't get heals, and many more scenarios.

>>713912756
>You are actually delusional if you think people are going to switch their loadouts, even less their classes to cater to the team's needs.
That's EXACTLY why weapons need to be class locked. It FORCES players to swap roles if they want to use a different gun type.

>>713915356
This doesn't make sense, considering that you don't know what weapon the player will prefer. If its preferred weapon is locked to the assault class, is he gonna switch to medic because the team needs one?
>>713914371
That's a fair point, but I think it depends heavily on the player. I would argue that some player are simply not going to address the problem at hand (i.e. by switching to engie in your example) because they can't be bothered about the "team" aspect of the game. I also think that having less restrictive weapons for classes open up different playstyles and degrees of viability on different maps (e.g. more open ended maps for DMRs on medics, etc).

Just look at TF2 pubs, the same problematic applies.

>>713916109
I don't give one nigger fuck what the faggot prefers. The point is people have different preferences so class locked weapons will FORCE a fairly even distribution of players across classes. Retard.

>>713916194
>I don't give one nigger fuck what the faggot prefers.
>Retard.
kek. Brillant argument Anon, thanks for playing anyway.

>>713892440

>>713909375
>you might be actually retarded if you seriously think that these companies change their games for the better after feedback
I'LL TAKE MY FUCKING CHANCE THEY'LL ACTUALLY LISTENING TO THE TESTERS FEEDBACK! WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF BATTLEFIELD LAB THEN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU BELIEVE?

>>713880589 (OP)
>>713880934

Please! What is wrong with it? How it should be?!

>>713917509
BC2

>>713917417
hey I remember that question. I'm part of the tester and actually said no to that and they still accept me for their testing program lol

>>713917607
>I'm part of the tester and actually said no to that and they still accept me for their testing program lol
sure you are brown

>>713917940
pajeet hand type this post

>>713917441
The point of Battlefield Labs is to optimize the game to be as Call of Duty as possible without causing the existing audience to immediately revolt upon the open beta.