About to play this for the first time.
What should I expect?

Zanzibart...

>>713895414 (OP)
Genuine kino
Remember to explore the weeping peninsula first (area to the south of limgrave)
Enjoy your journey and don't look up anything

>>713895414 (OP)
buy an ad
tranny/reddit game
shut up shill

>>713895414 (OP)
Best game ever made. Wish I could experience it for the first time again.

>>713895414 (OP)
>What should I expect?
Open world slop

elden ring was a lot of fun. there's no reason it had to be open world though. all it did was pull apart the dark souls sections and make it take longer.
pretty fun game with a lot of secrets and stuff you don't expect so don't use a guide.
oh and there's a great item early on in a chest near the dragon flying around the water

>>713895414 (OP)
Empty, emptiness. Jesus, so many areas with just nothing or useless shit. Some areas just exist solely for the scope of things. Exploring every nook and cranny just isn't worth it.

>>713895414 (OP)
Strong production values in service of a mediocre game.

>>713896978
>>713897095
>>713896302
>>713896883
This is my first souls game after being filtered by Demon's Souls in 2009.
Will that make the open world better?

>>713897310
Novelty is, by design, good for at least one playthrough.

>>713895414 (OP)
A huge disparity between the bosses and the random enemies in the game. Most of the time even a bad player can beat the random mobs without all that much trouble, but the bosses are a huge step up from that, rather than feeling like an incremental additional test.
Optional field bosses can be cheesed most of the time. Do so. Because the game is a bastard, and you should be a bastard to it in turn.
Dungeons are boring in the early game, but they're worth doing for the loot, most of the time. Even the little roadside ruins. It feels like a waste of time, but you get so much out of it that you have to push through anyhow.
Don't dodge spam. The game is designed to fuck you on that.
If you want to get away from an attack wind up, back away or run around the enemy instead of rolling for i-frames. It will work much better most of the time.
Shields are extremely good.
Basically everything but dodge-rolling is ideal.
Status is extremely good in this game, and you shouldn't ignore it. Bosses are almost all weak to at least one type of status that will chunk their health bar hard.

If you want to be a mage, pick Prisoner rather than Astrologer. The class is much better early on.

>>713895414 (OP)
very good game that unfortunately overstays its welcome

>>713900338
Also, use weapon arts all the time.
Don't treat them like special super moves, treat them like replacements for heavy attacks.
Anything above trash fodder should be gotten with your weapon art. Even melee builds should expend all that FP.

>>713900661
I would add that players shouldn't be afraid to level up mind, you will be swimming in levels by the endgame.

>>713895414 (OP)
If you're a total noob there are a few tricks to learn for the controls that they don't tell you about in the tutorial.
Assuming you're using an X-Box controller, holding down Y+a D-Pad direction will bring up a quick menu. A good trick is to bind your health and mana potions to this menu so you're never cycling through your hotbar looking for them. It is that secondary menu next to your main one in the Start Menu.
Y+RB is your two handing hotkey. And it lets you swap weapons on horseback, useful if you're a caster.
Crouching unlocks unique attacks on certain weapons and jumping as well unlocks unique attacks on certain weapons.
Getting on or off your horse gives you i-frames, and you can use that to your advantage.
Jumping from heights is a pain in the ass, you either take no damage or instantly die. Rainbow stones are useful for judging the height limit because they crack over lethal falls, but there are also cases where you just have to leap off a ledge and will survive regardless, so its a wash.

Stats do not grow linearly, and all softcap at different points (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2765060616) and you will probably run into at least one of these over the course of the game. Your best bet is to stick with one type of build until you near one of the softcap breakpoints, and then add on a second type of damage in the mid-game. Don't build diversify too early unless you're skilled enough to make up for the damage reduction until you have everything lined up.
Weapon upgrades are far more important for damage than stats, however.
Split damage, doing some damage in one type and another in a different type (like physical and holy) is sometimes mediocre in the early game, but very strong in the late game. Same goes for spells or attacks that do a lot of smaller damage ticks.
How defense works in these games is not obvious or easy to intuit.

>>713895414 (OP)
dont listen /v/. immerse yurself in the game and judge it for yourself

>>713895414 (OP)
Kino

>>713895414 (OP)
ER is great but it's the first time I've complained about the level scale. On paper, not having the world level to your character seems great, right? The problem is that you outpace the game so much that you end up trivializing everything. And that takes a lot of the fun out of the game. It's one of the first games I've complained about. I went back to the ‘'first’' other areas after unlocking Boletaria palace. and I demolished everything by playing it in the most sloppy way possible. And that's because I was supposedly underleveled and with an unoptimized build. If you impose challenges, it also gets boring because the fights become interminable. But the worst thing? Lack of real NG+, you can't replay bosses on the fly, netplay is still bullshit and other minor problems. Despite this, it's 9/10

>>713895414 (OP)
why do people ask this? you're going to play it anyway, what do you accomplish by asking people to tell you what to expect from it instead of finding out for yourself?

>>713895414 (OP)
It's one of the best ARPGs ever made.
If you love Souls games and their combat and boss fights this is the ultimate game.

If you go in expecting Skyrimshit or The Witcher 3 you'll hate it because this is a Souls games in full

>>713905575
To be honest. This game exposes From Software shallow game design. I love it because it's pick up and play and it's kind of fun for tryhard runs. But everything is shallow, even the combat, which is great. It doesn't live up to its full potential. Skyrim is really shallow but it allows us to use its full potential. I haven't played much Witcher 3 to give my opinion on it

>>713897310
I didn't enjoy it. The environmental aesthetic, as good as it is, doesn't change the combat. For me, it soiled the experience. The game allows you to give up on an area/boss by leaving to look for something else to do, which doesn't encourage you to truly learn a fight until the only content available to you is those ones you left. So when you do play, put a good effort toward the early enemies, because most of them are designed to be the easiest to handle, stats aside, but also keep in mind there's a wide variety of tools available to you simply through exploration. The first major boss brick walled me until I found a Torch, then I beat it first try. It's fucking weird.

>>713905854
My first boss was Margit. I didn't fight the tutorial scrubs

>>713895414 (OP)
Genuine contender for best game ever made. Unfortunately, good games make /v/ seethe.

>>713905986
That's who I'm referring to. I don't think there's a more important fight before Margit, if we're assuming Limgrave's runebearer is to be conquered first.

>>713895414 (OP)
A decent Souls game except with a mediocre open world inbetween the fun parts.

>>713896168
Funny how you retards whine about everything being a "tranny game", except the one game that was both developed by a tranny *and* that features a tranny main character: Celeste. It's the only actual "tranny game" out there, yet any thread it gets it curiously absent of this type of shitposting.
Almost makes me think you're a falseflagging tranny yourself, trying to make territorial claims through reverse psychology.

>>713895414 (OP)
About 5 hours of KINO exploring Limgrave and Liurnia, followed by boredom.

>>713904808
>On paper, not having the world level to your character seems great, right?
The world does scale, to some degree.
But it isn't automatic, but fixed per region.
>>713905842
It is a shame that when given the potential, budget, and new setting, that FROM didn't take the chance to change from the 'dead depressing shitty world that you have to put down for good', format.

>>713895414 (OP)
garbage

Since you haven't played since the PS3 games, the speed may be surprising for you. I reccomend picking Hero, as he has by far the most forgiving starting statline.

>>713909212
Isn't samurai the best?
High stats, decent defenses, and good ranged and bleed?

>>713895414 (OP)
copious amounts of recycled "content" with dogshit world-building.

>>713909859
Dex weapons are harder to use for a noob, and his armor and vigor are mediocre. Obviously just starting the game with the uchi is very good, but more so for more experienced players.

A refund

Convergence is better than base Elden Ring

Great first 15-20 hours and then diminishing returns until you are deluding yourself that you're having fun.

>>713910013
The world building is great and elden ring has the most variety of any 3D game ever (except maybe some really long running MMOs)

do yourself a favor and don't fight the very first enemy you see in the proper game the horseback rider and go SOUTH instead of where the game tries to lead you because you're actually meant to be 20 levels higher for the faggot boss there
the game sucks by the way and the free summons you get are an admission of that

>>713895414 (OP)
Dont progress to far to fast, the game gets harder the further northeast you go

>>713897310
Demon's Souls 2009 is one of the top 3 games of all time

How the fuck did it filter you?

>>713895414 (OP)
Play Skyrim instead. You'll thank me later.

>>713910521
Maybe because it was poorly designed and a mess.

>>713910319
What the fuck are runes then?

>>713910662
While Elden Ring does generally have better level design than Demon's Souls, if you hated one, you're probably going to hate the other.
They're more alike than they are different, mechanically and philosophically.

>>713910747
Tiny bits of the erdtree

>>713910761
NTA, but DeS has rather dated controls and Elden Ring feels generally better to play. Of course Elden Ring gets enormously more difficult.

>>713910747
Representatives of Grace/the power of the Erdtree and the power of living beings in general, which, following standard Norse tropes, are symbolized as runes. Which are symbols of knowledge and magic.
Marika's role in the story is a type of play/inversion around Odin's myth of sacrificing himself to himself via impalement and hanging on the World Tree in order to gain knowledge and magical power and he invented the runic alphabet after descending. In her case, she's impaled and hanging inside the World Tree as punishment by her God for seeking autonomy and knowledge.

>>713910964
The Erdtree is confirmed in lore as a parasite, anon.

>>713910761
>Elden Ring does generally have better level design than Demon's Souls
This is probably the most retarded and incorrect post I've ever seen on /v/ that actually was commenting on something video game related.

>>713909859
Prisoner is technically the strongest starter since he gets fucking glintblade at the start

>>713911106
>representatives
No, Im asking what are they IN LORE, not bullshit about muh symbolic representation. If they have anything to do with the Erdtree, why do non- and pre-Erdtree beings like the Fell Giants give runes?

>>713911152
No it fucking isn't lmao

>>713911503
It quite literally is.

>>713911645
No, it's not. People bury dead bodies in the roots and those people get reincarnated. The tree is grown from the elden ring and got fucked up when Marika busted the elden ring and so now it doesn't quite work properly, but can still channel energy to those it is properly linked to (Melina hooked us back up and now we're just fucking immortal)

>>713895414 (OP)
the greatest game ever conceived. I say this unironically. have fun op, playing Elden Ring for the first time was literally a life changing experience.

>>713911503
I don't know if it's "confirmed" explicitly but the Erdtree absorbs energy/souls from the Lands Between, processes them for unknown purposes, then returns it. Or something like that. The messy lore is a point against ER, anyhow. There's just no excuse for hundreds of hours of videos essays to exist and most of the playerbase still don't know who's doing what and why and where except for the highlights.

>>713895414 (OP)
expect to die. often.
It's silly how the trees bob up and down when it's windy, like they're at a rave.

>>713911313
Demon's Souls "levels" are really just glorified corridors. The only good thing about them is that you can choose the order in which to tackle them and that they have generally good atmosphere (I say generally because shrine of storm sucks). In terms of poor layout? They're quite poor. Even DS3 is better in that regard.

>>713911913
It's stated in two seperate canon endings, anon. The Erdtree is a parasite. Reincarnation is not a factor of the Erdtree, but rather the sealing of Destined Death. The Lands Between were simply cucked by the Greater Will via this parasite.
But none of this even approaches explanation of whatever the fuck runes are supposed to be.

>>713911913
The Elden Ring IS the Elden Beast, and it doesn't care about the Golden Order's religious practices. Which means there is no direct reason why the Erdtree should be there specifically, unless you consider that it's an extraterrestrial parasite feeding itself. Maybe something is lost during the reincarnation, something we can't ever know.

>>713895414 (OP)
frustration

>>713895414 (OP)
It isn't as good as Zelda.

>>713912084
>but the Erdtree absorbs energy/souls from the Lands Between, processes them for unknown purposes, then returns it.
It's not for unknown purposes. The point of the tree is explicitly to reincarnate people. It also used to generate rejuvenating sap. It's not alive, it's literally just a huge divine plant, cultivated by Marika as the centerpiece of her reign. Now it doesn't work because Marika broke the elden ring and some retard buried a divine avatar of living death in its roots.
>here's just no excuse for hundreds of hours of videos essays to exist and most of the playerbase still don't know who's doing what and why and where except for the highlights.
The explanation is that most people are fucking stupid, and lack basic narrative comprehension. Probably also Marika fags trying to pretend that she had way less agency then she actually did.

>>713912418
The Elden Ring is the Elden Beast but the Erdtree is NOT the elden ring. It's literally just a big ass tree Marika grew from the elden ring as part of her order. It's not even the first huge divine tree that has been grown from the elden ring, even specifically on this planet.

>>713912652
>GWcuck thinks he has anything to say about anything
SAD!

>>713911425
The Erdtree is an incarnation of a prior nexus of life called the Crucible. Which was the oldest origin point for life that we know of in the setting.
Giants just as much as the Erdtree are children of the Crucible.

>>713895414 (OP)
dark souls but open world

>>713911409
He moggs the hell out of Astrologer for INTfag classes because you can get both Astrologer spells in like 15 minutes from starting the game if you just head South East and get the scroll and Sellen, which you'd do anyhow.

>>713912234
A major point to DeS level design over ER is that there isn't a checkpoint every other room. You die late into 3-2 or down in the fucking maze in 2-2 and you're in for a dangerous trek to get back to your shit. God help you if you end up with pure black world tendency in 5-2. Enemies and bosses are miles more complex in ER but dying to them matters less than ever. It's a weird dissonance where the enemies are designed to be challenging even for longtime veterans, but the levels they're placed in are designed so that a baby could finish them. Only a handful of lategame and DLC mini-dungeons have any sort of tension to them whatsoever.

>>713895414 (OP)
Best game that you ever played

>>713912334
Where is it said that the Erdtree is a parasite in the endings, be specific.

>>713912883
>GWcuck
The greater will dropped of the elden ring and Metyr 10 billion years ago and fucked off. Now I love the demiurge because I love existing, but he has absolutely fuck all to do with the present situation other than that there is a present situation at all.

>>713913367
>Which was the oldest origin point for life that we know of in the setting.
Ha, no, that was just the previous one. The elden ring is billions of years old, there have been dozens if not hundreds of orders.

>>713913943
There have been other orders, like the Dragons, but the Crucible is probably even older than them and is probably older than the Greater Will's presence on Earth.

>>713913520
Dungeons in souls have only two things in them that matter when it comes to navigation
>Enemies
>Awful platforming
DeS has utterly pathetic enemies and the platforming barely exists, ER has way better enemies and the platforming isn't nearly as awful as the previous games, on top of being way more complex in general.
To pretend that fucking DeS with its lethargic enemies and empty rooms and corridors is supposedly harder or better than ER when it comes to dungeon crawling is being willfully disingenuous at best or profoundly retarded at worst, the only level DeS has that can sorta compare to any dungeon in ER is Tower of Latria, and that's the rough equivalent of a random catacomb in ER, in fact the majority of them are better than Latria, especially the lategame ones.

>>713914310
The Greater Will left the elden ring on a barren world from which all life emerged. The crucible was merely one of many, many iterations of the natural law over billions of years. The dragons also almost certainly predate the crucible.

>>713914790
DaS fags are annoying dipshits but DeS fags are just straight up fucking retarded.

>>713915003
DeSfags get a boost from Matthewmatosis propaganda.

>>713909859
Vagabond has the best stats for the majority of weapons

Top Tips for Starting Elden Ring

Pick a Beginner Class

Vagabond (strong melee),

Confessor (balanced),

Astrologer (powerful magic, but squishy).

Explore Freely

Don’t rush the main path. Roam, collect loot, level up.

Avoid tough enemies early (like the Tree Sentinel). Come back stronger later.

Use Grace & Fast Travel

Sites of Grace guide you and let you rest/teleport.

Learn the Combat Basics

Don’t spam — manage stamina.

Use guard counters (block heavy attack) and backstabs.

Shields help a lot early on.

Level Up Smart

Focus on 2–3 stats:

Melee: Strength, Endurance, Vigor

Magic: Intelligence/Faith, Mind, Vigor

Always invest in Vigor for more HP.

Use Torrent (Your Horse)

Great for exploring, escaping, and mounted combat.

Double-jump to reach tricky spots.

Summon Help

Use Spirit Ashes to distract enemies.

Try online co-op for bosses (use Furlcalling Finger Remedy).

Upgrade Weapons & Ashes

Use Smithing Stones at blacksmiths.

Upgraded gear > higher level stats early on.

Upgrade Spirit Ashes at Roundtable Hold (talk to Roderika).

Use the Map

Place markers to remember cool spots.

Find Map Fragments to reveal regions.

Be Patient & Curious

You’ll die. A lot. It’s normal.

Try new weapons, spells, and paths — the world rewards curiosity.

>>713895414 (OP)
Kino like you don't get nowadays. Use consumables and remember that Miquella's Lilies are limited.

>>713914923
>the greater will created life on earth
This I disagree with very much so.
The One Great, that Hyetta talks about is probably the same thing as the Crucible or the original melting pot of all life.
Metyr was its first child, at least regarding Earth, and she has nothing in common with humanity, dragons, or anything else, and only can create Fingers of different types.
We know of no other great mothers in the setting other than her.
This to me says that life already existed on the planet and the Greater Will just came in and took over. Like how the Rot God tries to do by spreading its essence.

>>713915889
The "one great" is the pre-life primordial sludge, from which creation arose (after the Greater Will spunked in it). The crucible is literally just the previous huge divine tree. Hyetta is also being misleading (because she is literally a frenzy demon), going through with her vision just kills everything forever.
>Metyr was its first child, at least regarding Earth, and she has nothing in common with humanity, dragons, or anything else,
Correct, because Metyr, like Astel, is an actual alien, and not born from the elden ring, or at least not our own elden ring.
>Like how the Rot God tries to do by spreading its essence.
The rot is actually of the elden ring. Same as the fell flame and the abyssal serpent and Death. Marika rejected and tried to suppress these forces, but they are intrinsic aspects of life on this planet, so she inevitably failed, especially as they became manifest in her own children (because of course they would, they were incubated in the glowing light of the Elden Ring).

>>713895414 (OP)
The worst plot in the history of video games with the worst quest design in the history of video games.
But it's somehow still good.

>>713916236
>The crucible is literally just the previous huge divine tree.
Not accurate, the Golden Crucible is the actual foundation of it. It's literally represented as a meteor impact from which roots develop
The previous tree was Helphen, represented by the Candletree.

>>713916424
>The previous tree was Helphen, represented by the Candletree.
Okay I'm going to the gym now, no time to argue with youtube schizo secondaries

>>713916236
Hyetta is a liar, but she's one of the only characters with any ability to be informed about the past of the world.
The other is Ymir who is delusional and wants to literally become Metyr. But in doing so he also shares important information in between his falsehoods or delusions.
Hyetta wants us to hate the Greater Will, so she's manipulative about the consequences of its actions. But the idea that it came and divided the Crucible or effected it otherwise is probably true.
The Crucible isn't the leftovers of the last tree, it is the source for any World Tree of the scope of the Erdtree. It is the fountain of life for the entire planet and where everything traces itself back into.

Rot definitely isn't an accidental consequence of the Elden Ring.
It is clearly an entirely different God's influence and representation of its effort to terraform Earth into its own domain. The simpler explanation is the most accurate.

>>713916423
>Tranny gives birth to gods inbred from herself
>Woman has a period so rancid it destroys a country
>Wandering warrior who eats poop so hard it curses you forever
What the fuck is wrong with Martin

>>713916236
>Correct, because Metyr, like Astel, is an actual alien, and not born from the elden ring, or at least not our own elden ring.
Both Metyr and Elden Ring are aliens from the Greater Will.
Only Arcaneness like the Albinaurics, the Twinbird, the Formless Mother,... Is not related to the Greater Will
>The rot is actually of the elden ring.
It isn't
> the abyssal serpent and Death.
No, they are all arcane elements and not relater to it
>Marika rejected and tried to suppress these forces
This is just headcanon
>Same as the fell flame
There's no "fell flame". The Fell God is the Sun itself which was slain by Marika when she created the Erdtree. It's the God Placidusax is waiting and is golden. Every depiction of the Fell God is a Sun with a face, the sake of alchemical tomes of the Receissance. The Fell God is an an enemy of the Erdtree and of the Hornsent both, and the role he would have with Placidusax is the same kind of communion Marika has by the end with Elden Beast.
The depiction is seen in tarnished gold armor like that of the Dung Eater and Messmer forces mount him on the burning wicker man that tortures hornsent
The Era where the Fell God was the deity was the one of Farum Azula before its downfall, Stormveil at its peak and Shadow Keep.

>>713916604
>Rot definitely isn't an accidental consequence of the Elden Ring.
Almost all of the "outer gods" (misnomer, actually just "kami") are literally just natural forces within the context of our creation. They aren't anything like the greater will, which is the genuine capital G God of the cosmos and creation.

>>713895414 (OP)
reduced performance and nerfed enemies to the ground to force you to play their latest slop instead
how is Fromsoftware still allowed to do this is beyond me

>>713917697
Not at all.
The Japanese terminology used for something like the Rot God is literally the same as is used in every translation of Lovecraft in Japan.
They're not just misidentified natural forces. Marika doesn't stop things from rotting, leading to some kind of antithesis forming. It is an entirely different space alien deity that is trying to take over the planet and push out the Greater Will's left over influence.
Hell, it doesn't actually even make things rot, really. Humans that resist its influence get fucked up, but flora and fauna is just turned into new forms that are entirely happy within their new environments, because the Rot is only toxic to the influence of other Gods, and we're all touched by the Greater Will, so it harms us.

>>713895414 (OP)
You should expect to be leveling vigor mainly

>>713896064
spbp

>>713917976
>It is an entirely different space alien
There is no evidence at all that any of the "outer gods" are from or related to space other than specifically the dark moon, and even that one is the closest. These are aspects of life which Marika sought to divide from her idealized version of the laws of nature. It's literally the main plot of the game that she fucked up by sealing away Death itself.
>Hell, it doesn't actually even make things rot, really.
In the sense that it's not trying to kill everything, yes. Like the Serpent represents greed and hunger, Rot represents the impulse to kill and dominate, natural selection itself. This is why Malenia is who she is, she is fundamentally tainted by the need to "win".

>>713918656
>There is no evidence at all that any of the "outer gods" are from or related to space other than specifically the dark moon
The Dark Moon is not an Outer God
Outer Gods are deities that are not originated from the Greater Will and are arcane, which is why the Outer God heirloom boots Arcaneness

The Outer Gods include
The Twinbird
The Formless Mother
The Rot
The Great Serpent
The Bone-like Structure of Nightreign, a dead Outer God that was used to create a Gate of Divinity

Outer Gods select hosts that harbour their aspects, and those hosts are not necessarily Empyreans
>>713917976
>Hell, it doesn't actually even make things rot, really.
Rot is the power of lifesteal, death that begets life

>>713918656
The Greater Will is said to live in the void between the Stars.
Metyr warps through a black hole when she loses a fight.
Astel is explicitly an alien.
Ranni and the Carians worship the Moon.
There's a clear general link of there being many alien gods in outer space that are trying to influence Earth.
The Rot God being another one of these is the most parsimonious conclusion.

Marika didn't really fuck up in sealing death.
The Erdtree worked well for simulating death and rebirth that there wasn't a big problem.
The issue was that her age lasted too long, to the point that the Erdtree started to lose its vitality by being too ancient and started to damage the terrane itself in a lot of places.
And when she shattered the Elden Ring, even the Erdtree's ability to rebirth people was lost because there was no one to manage it anymore, and Godwyn's body started to make it truly decay. This is why everyone is basically hollow, because they should have died centuries ago but can't because the Erdtree is without its controller.

The Gods really just are independent agents. Even Eiglay, who more acquired Godhood, is one.
They're not forces of nature, they're foreign entities.

>>713896064
spbp

>>713913367
The Erdtree is alien, and not an 'incarnation' of the Crucible, anon. The Erdtree feeds off of it and leeches power from the world. Like, open your eyes, dude.

>>713919503
>Outer Gods are deities that are not originated from the Greater Will
They are though. In fact specifically from the elden ring. That's why Marika's kids were tainted by them.
>>713919635
The Greater Will is a cosmic God and Metyr, Astel, the Dark Moon, and the gravity Elves are all aliens. Nothing else in the world is except MAYBE chaos, and even that may be a sort of magic tulpa created by humanity on accident.
>The issue was that her age lasted too long, to the point that the Erdtree started to lose its vitality by being too ancient and started to damage the terrane itself in a lot of places.
Her reign lasting so long and being plagued by problems that are eons old are direct consequences of her sealing Death. It effectively hindered any kind of meaningful change in the world at all. Though you are right in that it would not have been nearly so bad had she not also shattered the elden ring.

>>713919635
>The issue was that her age lasted too long, to the point that the Erdtree started to lose its vitality by being too ancient and started to damage the terrane itself in a lot of places.
The Erdtree used sacrifices, a practice that Marika inherited from the previous order. Demigods were sacrificed to thr Erdtree, as seen by kindling aidens conjuring tree branches from Death Rite Spears
Godwyn was part of that plan and the ritual was sabotaged

>>713919910
The erdtree is just a tree, grown from the elden ring by Marika. Tis the seed of all life on this planet (except the aliens like the fingers and gravity creatures). It is not even the first of such divine trees on this world.

>>713920079
*The elden ring is the seed of all life on this planet

>>713920079
>'it's the seed of all life...'
>'it's not even the first...'
Contradictory and contrarian opinion discarded.

>>713920241
I made a typo. The elden ring is the seed of all life, the erdtree is not even the first divine tree.

>>713919910
The Erdtree clearly does not consume the life essence of the world or anything like that.

>>713921118
Brainlets really can't get over the fact that religion in elden ring is not a faustian bargain

>ending boss arena shows the endless Erdtrees throughout the cosmos that have been seeded by the Elden Beast
>"it's not a parasite"

>>713920000
The Greater Will is a particularly powerful alien god.
But it is the first among many, with Astels being minor and fairly weak Gods, and you seeing an increase in power from that point upwards. With the Rot God and the Flame of Frenzy being also extremely powerful alien Gods.

The ages are meant to by cyclical anyhow. They're all destined to fall and decay and for something new to be created.
Even if she never sealed death, it would have still required the Tree to burn and something new to be grown in its place eventually. With there being a treeless age in between, possibly. Like the one Marika herself seems to have grown up in.

>>713920000
>They are though.
They aren't
>That's why Marika's kids were tainted by them.
Nope, that's completely irrelevant. Any kind of powerful enough being can host the aspects of Outer Gods. Outer Gods existed long before the Elden Ring came in the Lands Between, with the Twinbirds, or for example the Old Gods whose weaponry scales with Arcane.
>The Greater Will is a cosmic God
The Greater Will is an entity made of Stars
>and Metyr, Astel, and the gravity Elves are all aliens.
And those are stars sent by the Greater Will. The game is pretty clear on calling them all Stars.
>Moon
The Moons are NOT aliens, they are created by the Eternal Cities through communion. The Crypt-Thrones are conduits of such spirits. The Moon of Nokstella, Noklateo and Nokron were beckoned after the Eternal Cities were banished. The giant silver ball enemies are an example of that experiment, and the Moons are that on a much bigger successful scale.

If you want evidence that the Moon are manufactured by the Eternal Cities, check the talisman of the lost Black Moon of Nokstella found under the Nokstella crypt-throne. The process is the same the shaman ascetics use to convey spirits and ascend.

The Full and the Dark Moon are still present because those Moons are conveyed ad inherited by Carian queens, currently inherited by Rennala and Ranni, and they are a divine power conjured by the sacrifice of many people
>>713919910
Nope

>>713921290
It's not a parasite. The Greater Will is the Creator and all of those worlds are its domain.

>>713921564
>The Moons are NOT aliens, they are created by the Eternal Cities through communion.
No. This ie never stated anywhere. The dark moon is an alien god who wants to usurp the greater will's creation, and in turn guides its followers to create artificial life. It is, effectively, satan. The big throne dudes are failed attempts at creating a lord of night.
>check the talisman of the lost Black Moon of Nokstella found under the Nokstella crypt-throne
All these do is confirm the nox are followers of the dark moon.

>>713920000
>That's why Marika's kids were tainted by them.
A sufficiently powerful god being able to force its influence onto her children is entirely fitting within the system of them all being independent alien entities.

>>713922179
No, that's completely wrong and headcanon on your part. You made some lame trash plot out of your ass because you still believe Elden Ring is GOTshit with mundane power play plotpoints and keep downplaying the central metaphysics of the game, despite this BTFOing lorelets for 3 years
The Moons are aspects nurtured by the sacrifices of many people. Ranni inherited her Moon from the snowy crone witch that mentored her.
It has nothing to do with Aliens or the Greater Will, your lame ass headcanon is just cope for not understanding the nuance of the lore elements and how they connect

>Sorcery said to have been used by the old snow witch.

>Releases a cold mist before the caster.
This sorcery can be cast while in motion. Charging enhances range of the mist.

>The snowy crone taught the young Ranni to fear the dark moon as she imparted her cold sorcery.

Rennala had found the Full Moon in Nokron

>A talisman engraved with the legend of a queen.
Raises intelligence.

>The young astrologer gazed at the night sky as she walked. She had always chased the stars every step of her journey. Then she met the full moon — and, in time, the astrologer became a queen.

The "Night Sky" is indicated by the Four Belfries of Liurnia and leads the player to Nokron

The Moons are no Outer Gods, they are Runes product of great sacrifices to grant Carian Royals power.

>>713895414 (OP)
empty boring field

boring rewards and useless objects

>>713895414 (OP)
Don’t rush and don’t look shit up or ask online unless you’re totally stuck. If you do that you can expect a fun, challenging experience.

Don’t do that and follow guides or w/e and you’ll be giganigga 5000 crushing everything you come across without any effort and it turns the thing into a slog.

Lots of empty space and reskinned bosses

>>713923049
>>713923274
>>713923497
Nigger (singular)

>>713922179
>The big throne dudes are failed attempts at creating a lord of night.
Also this is wrong. The only attempt at creating Lords is the Dragonkin before (when Placidusax was a lord) and the human form Silver Tears later
The Crypt-Thrones are Moons

>>713922179
the anon you're replying to is a clown who has been the laughing stock of elden ring threads for years now
ignore the retard and stop replying to him

>>713921564
The Greater Will isn't made of Stars, it just lives in the void of space between all heavenly bodies in its free time.
The Moons are as alien as any other Outer God. Ranni is just fooling herself.

>>713923032
Everything you believe about elden ring's metaphysics is not only completely wrong, but more importantly, just bad storytelling.
>The Moons are aspects nurtured by the sacrifices of many people
There is not a single line of text in the entire game that suggests the nox ever sacrificed anyone for any purpose.
>Ranni inherited her Moon from the snowy crone witch
Renna told her (correctly) that the dark moon was evil and shouldn't be listened too. Ranni disregarded this advice because the dark moon told her to rebel against the Golden Order, and how, which is something she already wanted to do because she was asshurt at Radagon and Marika.

>>713923032
>The "Night Sky" is indicated by the Four Belfries of Liurnia and leads the player to Nokron
This is also why there's no talisman for the Full Moon
The Dark Moon and snow witch likely come from Noklateo

>>713923806
>There is not a single line of text in the entire game that suggests the nox ever sacrificed anyone for any purpose.
You literally see the bodies on the ground by the Crypt-Thrones
>Renna told her (correctly) that the dark moon was evil and shouldn't be listened too.
You are a complete retard. Renna initiated her to the Dark Moon, which is inherited between royals.

The game literally says Rennla has found the Full Moon in Nokron

>>713923653
The throne dudes are failed attempts to create night lords who died. The dragonkin are an iteration on this idea by incorperating ancient dragon physiology, as those dragons are ageless. While this did allow them to survive, seemingly indefinitely, they failed to be viable candidates for lord.

>>713923967
We see those weird fucked up bodies all over Nokron and Nokstella. There is no indication what they mean, if anything, or if they even are real bodies, and if they are, that they were killed on purpose. Plus, even if they were sacrifices to try to make the throne dudes, that would make them sacrifices to create the throne dudes (as per the hornsent divine gate), not the fucking moon.
>The game literally says Rennla has found the Full Moon in Nokron
It says she found it by looking at the sky, which you literally cannot do in Nokron.

>>713896064
>don't spoil yourself this game is amazing and best experienced blind!
>oh also don't fuck up with the order of progression through the "open" world or you might have trouble!

>>713924689
>advising a new player to do the tutorial is bad

>>713895414 (OP)
lots and lots of recycled content

>>713923806
>Renna told her (correctly) that the dark moon was evil and shouldn't be listened too. Ranni disregarded this advice
The Witch Crone literally taught her into cold sorcery, and Ranni shed her flesh and great rune to instead inherit the Dark Moon. The Moons are akin to Great Runes.

>>713924038
>The throne dudes are failed attempts to create night lords who died.
No, they are the Moons. The Silver Tears are specifically the attempt to create Lords, but I guess it doesn't matter because you just make your convenient headcanon.

>This legendary talisman is a treasure of Nokstella, the Eternal City.
>Increases memory slots.

>This talisman represents the lost black moon. The moon of Nokstella was the guide of countless stars.

The countless stars are those in Nokstella's sky
The Moons are three like the Eternal Cities, and each Moon a guide for the sky.
The Silver Orbs are an example of that process.
Like I said tye game states Rennala has found the Full Moon in Nokron.

There's nothing that states that the Moons are Outer Gods, absolutely nothing. They are not Outer Gods, since Outer Gods are Arcane elements predating the descent of the Elden Stars.

>>713924785
>has enough neurons to greentext yet still misses the point

>>713925152
>The Witch Crone literally taught her into cold sorcery
Cold sorcery is not tied to the dark moon except for the one spell ranni made herself
>The Moons are akin to Great Runes.
Firstly, that's not true, secondly, the great runes are ALSO not made from sacrifices
>No, they are the Moons.
Not only does nothing in the game support this, it doesn't even make sense. You can't MAKE the fucking MOON.
>This talisman represents the lost black moon. The moon of Nokstella was the guide of countless stars
This does npt suggest that the Nox created it, in fact it suggests the moon came to then, and then for some reason left or was cut off from them.
>Like I said tye game states Rennala has found the Full Moon in Nokron.
No, it says she found it looking into fucking space WHERE THE MOON IS
>Outer Gods are Arcane elements predating the descent of the Elden Stars.
NOTHING in the lands between predates the elden ring and Metyr. Theoretically the dark moon could be older since it's truly alien (unlike the more conventional "outer gods" which are derived from the elden ring)

>>713920016
>as seen by kindling aidens conjuring tree branches from Death Rite Spears
???
>Godwyn was part of that plan and the ritual was sabotaged
Marika had no intention of continuing the current Erdtree age since she'd lost faith in the order the Fingers guided her to establish and had been planning to shatter the ring and kill the Elden Beast/herself for some time, possibly a very long time.
Her exact reasons for being complicit in the rune of death fragment theft are unclear but it sure as hell wasn't to give the Erdtree more fuel.

>>713926085
>Marika is just trying to overthrow le fingers and le beast!
All the problems with the golden order were from her tainting it with her own trauma and biases
She was imprisoned by her tard wrangler alternate personality after trying to destroy all life and failing

some friendly npcs will just die out of nowhere

>>713923032
You are literally writing fanfiction. The DLC has the person that started the Moon cult tell you outright that they chose the moon because it's the closest one not because it relevant. But Ymir who knows more about the moon and fingers than anyone knows that all of them are just pretenders and the REAL god was and always will be the Great Will. Anything else is just a side creation of it and we get a confirmation about it from the flame of frenzy path where the 3 Fingers tell you that the Great Will IS the sole creator of reality.

>>713924386
>We see those weird fucked up bodies all over Nokron and Nokstella. There is no indication what they mean
Yes there is. They are Moons, as found out when you collect the Moon of Nokstella, a silver tear talisman boosting attunement
>>The game literally says Rennla has found the Full Moon in Nokron
>It says she found it by looking at the sky, which you literally cannot do in Nokron.
If you paying attention playing you would have noticed that THE NIGHT SKY is how the game calls the sky of Nokron. Rennala has found her way to Nokron.

>>713925941
>Cold sorcery is not tied to the dark moon
Cold Sorcery is tied to the Moons
>Firstly, that's not true
It is
>secondly, the great runes are ALSO not made from sacrifices
Wrong again. Besides the Primordial Great Rune explicitly being made from sacrifices, all Runes in general are created through the power of deaths that cycles back in life. Marika reshaped the Elden Ring after picking the grace from the dead body of the Goddess
>You can't MAKE the fucking MOON.
Yes you can. You see, that's your problem. You don't understand Elden Ring. The Moons are the closest of the celestial bodies because they have been created with the sacrifices of the inhabitants of the Eternal Cities, inhabitants that are themselves stardust as Ymir states, also the products of Falling Stars. All of Elden Ring is about how the many can conjure the divine by merging into one. The Great One. This is true for the Moons, the Flame of Frenzy, the Gates of Divinity, even fucking Farum Azula is a giant floating mausoleums of dragons embedded into the walls
>This does npt suggest that the Nox created it
Yes it does. Rennala explicitly found it in the Eternal Cities. They are Stars created by the Eternal Cities. You just couldn't notice or pay attention to such elements that explicitly tell you what those giant crypt-thrones are. It's not my fault you didn't pay attention and would rather make up Stars turf wars
>>713926085
Nope

>>713926428
But you don't understand, my mom made me go to Sunday school 20 years ago, that means even fictionalized versions of God must either be evil or not really God!

Runes are a invention of Marika and a symbol of her influence. They didn't exist in the age of the crucible where the sign of it's influence were horns and feature fusion between species. That was the primal Elden Ring when no one bent it's shape like Marika did. So when you say "outer gods" and their "runes" you are just propagating the order of Marika as long as the basis for the new age is a rune of any kind. It's not really a new age just a extension of Marika's original design.

>>713895414 (OP)
Be sure to make another post 100 in-game hours from now to tell us where you burned out at

>>713926531
>as found out when you collect the Moon of Nokstella,
The moon of nokstella talisman does absolutely nothing to suggest that the dark moon was created by the nox
>If you paying attention playing you would have noticed that THE NIGHT SKY is how the game calls the sky of Nokron.
Or, maybe, it nust means the actual night sky, where the moon is, which YOU the PLAYER can FUCKING SEE.
>Cold Sorcery is tied to the Moons
No, it isn't.
>Besides the Primordial Great Rune explicitly being made from sacrifices,
No great rune is made from sacrifices. All the great runes are fragments of the Elden Ring, and thus divine artifacts derived directly from the Greater Will. Lesser runes are products of the erdtree, but the erdtree recycles the dead; it does not use sacrifices.
>The Moons are the closest of the celestial bodies because they have been created with the sacrifices of the inhabitants of the Eternal Cities
No, the moon came here to tempt and corrupt the inhabitants of divine creation
>inhabitants that are themselves stardust as Ymir states,
He's talking about the miracle of creation. ALL that live were given life from dead matter by God.
>the Flame of Frenzy
The frenzied flame is literally about unmaking creation. You cannot even understand the most basic plot elements.

>>713926428
>You are literally writing fanfiction
Nope, I actually paid attention and know the story. It's you that are retarded and making up nonsensical devil and greater will war bullshit headcanons
Rennala's Full Moon was found in Nokron because it's there that Rennala had collected its talisman.
The Full Moon and The Dark Moon and the Black Moon are nothing more than conjured divine elements not unlike how the merchants collective despair turned their prison into a mass grave and conjured the Flame of Frenzy.

You are unironically too much of stunted normalfaggot to understand Elden Ring. You are probably one of those retards who at some point thought the game was about evil soul sucking alien.

The game lore is literal IQ filter and many fail it
>>713926582
>Runes are a invention of Marika and a symbol of her influence.
Nice headcanon

>>713926367
Marika was part of the problem but that doesn't contradict the point about the Fingers giving faulty guidance and Marika coming to righly distrust them and the Golden Order over time. That's a point made clear with many lines.

>>713927027
>Fingers giving faulty guidance
Thing is they never gave faulty guidance. You can observe their work on the map. The problem always was that Marika's order was faulty since day one. She wanted contradictions to be united in the Erdtree which created the Scadutree when it became apparent she's retarded and needs to start hiding her own mistakes. No wonder the Greater Will said nope the moment a woman took over.

>>713927027
>but that doesn't contradict the point about the Fingers giving faulty guidance
Name one thing they told her. Or even one thing she did that sounds like something she was advised to do rather than her own idea. Yes, Marika became disillusioned with the GO. She was also its god, and could have fixed it. What stopped her was her own alternate personality, who exists to defy change.

DS3 in a field with horrible input reading bosses that you can turn off with ultra spam or some other retarded gimmick the game has that trivializes the game.

>>713927172
Stop spamming, DS1 tranny, you're clogging up the capcha server

Shame there is no ending where you can restore the Elden Ring to it's Crucible state. It was the perfect natural order with no one on top, just evolution and the normal cycle of life and dead.

>>713926781
>Or, maybe, it nust means the actual night
No, you retard. It means the sky of Nokron because the game is very clear about it with a developer message.
>where the moon is
The moons are where their hosts are,
>The moon of nokstella talisman does absolutely nothing to suggest that the dark moon was created by the nox
Yes it does
>No great rune is made from sacrifices.

Primordial Nightlord's Rune
>"A thing with the properties of a Great Rune harbored by the Primordial Nightlord.

>The cutting-gifted tribe anticipated the coming night, and spent many a moon planning its prevention, concluding that their only chance at success was to cheat a god.

>They had glimpsed what they should not; the very sin of the Erdtree. For their trespass, so were they punished."

Cord's end

>A carefully woven cord.

>This cord belonged to the young girls who were housed in a place that was meant as an eternal secret.

>The cutting-gifted tribe vowed to sacrifice their flesh while concealing the truth. But the girls were too young to oblige.

>No, the moon came here to tempt and corrupt the inhabitants of divine creation
Retarded headcanon BULLSHIT.
You can't pay the slightest attention and you are too stupid and lack literacy to actually understand the plot, so you throw the most inane, completely retarded headcanons to fill the void left by your braincells.

>The frenzied flame is literally about unmaking creation.
And that's irrelevant, retard
>He's talking about the miracle of creation. ALL that live were given life from dead matter by God.
Oh you mean like... The runes, that are also formed from death, from sacrifices?
Yeah no shit, idiot. Congratulations on contradicting yourself within the same exact post

>>713895414 (OP)
Empty world

>>713895414 (OP)
KINO BEYOND REPAIR
AND 100 YEARS VOYAGE OF ROLLSLOP LOVING

>>713927371
>The moons are where their hosts are,
YOU CAN SEE THE MOON.
YOU CAN SEE THE MOON WITH YOUR OWN FUCKING EYES IN THE NORMAL FUCKING SKY. SIT AT A GRACE, WAIT UNTIL NIGHT, LOOK UP.
YOU STUPID FUCKING SCHIZO NIGGER.

>>713927335
fromsoft didn't even remotely make the game they said they were making

>>713927335
>It was the perfect natural order with no one on top
Not true
Dung Eater ending btw is what you seek
>>713927539
Ok Retard

>>713927164
>Or even one thing she did that sounds like something she was advised to do rather than her own idea.
The creation of the Erdtree was something the Fingers were involved in based on the seed talismans, although that might have actually been the GW's order going by the Elden Beast's battlefield.

>>713927665
this is a cut boss from DS3 with the fromsoft staple "the moon is le magic" motif. There is nothing you can possibly read into this character, they practically don't exist

>>713927852
The DLC shows she had conceptualized the erdtree even before rebelling against the hornsent. That said, it wasn't the first huge divine tree, so she was probably at least inspired by previous Big Trees, which may have been cultivated under advisement of the fingers.

>>713927665
THIS IS LITERALLY AN ILLUSORY BOSS FIGHT, RETARD

>>713927852
Reminder anything new introduced in the DLC that wasn't in the base game to try and expand on elden ring's lore is 100% asspulled nonsense

>>713895414 (OP)
They somehow took dark souls, and made it really boring.

when you get to a certain festival, remember to look up

>>713927335
The Golden Crucible era has an authoritarian rule, it was just multicultural with dragons and beasts and men.

>>713895414 (OP)
fun. don't hit your head off of bosses forever unless that's what you're into. the exploring is the best part.

>>713928187
this is a reskinned sulyvahn's beast with swords on its arms, it doesn't have lore

>>713928087
Mostly only true for the Miquella/Radahn stuff. Hornsent and Metyr lore align farely well with the base game.

>>713928087
No it's mostly fine. The only part that's kind of lame is all the Carian wank. Ymir was enough, we didn't need an entire second Raya Lucaria

>>713928283
it doesn't matter if it aligns, it will never come up again ever in any of their games like all DLC. Everything they write for these games is immediately forgotten, that's how much thought they put into them. If it's not in the opening cinematic or gameplay it doesn't exist or matter

>>713928283
The only problem with the Miquella stuff is expecting us to be okay to challenge and kill him with no option to back out, despite giving us basically no reason to other than greed.

Roll Slop

>>713927978
>I-it doesn't mean anything
Ok retard
>>713928081
Ok retard

The truth is that the Moons are aspects harbored by Carian queens and their sighting in the sky is due to the fate they gaze and that commands them. It's the same with the Amber Starlight. The Moons are in the sky because Ranni and Rennala are in the Lands Between, period

>>713928276
It's nothing like a Sulyvahn's Beast get your eyes checked.

>>713928276
I doubt that, considering it doesn't have the same skeleton and moves, nigger
>>713928087
Reminder that you are a tranny and should kys

>>713895414 (OP)
Good game.
It could have been the greatest game ever if it wasn't for the horrible pacing.
Bosses are either too easy or too hard, no middle term.
Level design is basically Dark Souls of the Wild, so if you like both games, you'll like this one.

>>713928518
Compare the lion's roar to the sulyvahn's beast, they didn't even bother to edit the mp4

>>713921564
>>713923838
>Noklateo
Whose ass did you pull this name out of?

>>713928380
>Everything they write for these games is immediately forgotten
Is that why you are seething 1 year later?

>>713928695
>point out that retards are wasting their time with this horribly written trash that fromsoft doesn't even remember
>noooo stop that
go be a tranny somewhere else, like /vg/

>>713928661
Fromsoft reuses sound assets, big fucking discovery. Every company does that.

>>713928507
>DLC explicitly says that the moon was revered by the happenstance of it being the physically closest
>"Um actually it's an illusion tied to the existence of a borderline comatose single mom with no power"
lmao

>>713928748
>Starts malding
Whew, looks like that struck a nerve

>>713928414
>despite giving us basically no reason to other than greed
Yeah that's one of the points about the DLC that bugs me. After finding the broken great rune the player shouldn't really have any more incentive to pursue Miquella. In fact, if opposing him is considered the goal the shrewdest thing to do might be to kill Messmer but hold on to the kindling so Enir-Ilim and the gates would remain sealed for good.
And also just killing Leda and Dane early so ideally Mohg's body can be preemptively disposed of but they have plot armor.

>>713928825
Like I said if you want to cry about me telling retards to stop wasting their time you can fuck off back to /vg/ tranny

>>713928187
>has an authoritarian rule
Only time when non-blood related empyreans existed. When multiple outer gods existed side by side. Only time whe n the elden ring wasn't in service of one being.

>>713928850
I mean the reason given is that we can't be lord if Miquella wins and installs Radahn as king and jerks off into the elden ring to make everyone nice. But the thing is... why would I not want that? The only possible reason is that I value my own crown over the good of the whole world, but what if I don't? In the base game, your character can be interpreted as a merciless warlord, but could also be a selfless hero, trying to restore the natural order and save everyone. Why would a man like that draw his blade against Miquella?

>>713928816
They are not illusions, they are aspects harboured by avatars that are in the Lands Between. That's what makes them the closest Stars. But Ymir venerates the Greater Will, which is all the collective of Stars, rather than the Stars beckoned by the Eternal Cities.

The game headbutts you over and over with the theme of many created by the divine spreading life and then converging back into the divine, down to it arguably working also a metanarrative about runes and player leveling. You have to be a massive retard to miss it and not understand the point

>>713895414 (OP)
Impressive visuals for an open world, but still plagued with open world problems. Belurat and Raya Lucaria are my favorite full scale game castles because of their sheer size. Unfortunately, you'd also in for the worst, most obnoxiously designed enemies in the entire series. They're not "hard" mind you, just irritating, every single one, include bosses. All of them have tiresome flail spamming attacks that are solely designed to to frustrate you + hyper armor for no reason, you have 0 poise, again, which should have been binned as a concept in DS3. Every boss is designed the same way: gigantic attack chains, obnoxiously huge wind ups with obnoxiously fast slash, to once again, frustrate you. Not a humainoid boss? Hope you enjoy aftershocks for any sort of ground pound attacks and AoE magic explosions, which were designed, you guessed it, to frustrate you. Winning solo without crutch weapons and ashes of war feels like a chore, winning with summons and friends feels like a hollow victory because of how different the game is played.
It doesn't matter which way you play, it's just frustrating beginning to end. Fromsoft doesn't want to make challenging and approachable games anymore, they want people to rage about their poor and tedious game design choices and give them 5 ways to cheese it.

>>713929161
Reminder the elden ring operates based on what great runes it has attached to it and the final version of the game scrapped this idea entirely so there's literally no purpose to the rune system or the elden ring

>>713928414
You kill Miquella because he becomes a God and thus a threat to your order. Elden Ring is about how YOU become Elden Lord, you don't get to make someone else do it.
>>713928850
Even if you just take Messmer's kindling and kill Leda and Dane, someone else may appear and find another way in. Better to kill Miquella too.

Fun and wonder that gives way to checklist fatigue and bosses that further ruin any attempt at immersion you might want to engage the game with

Shitty nothing plot as told through item descriptions that may as well have been AI generated

>>713929174
>they are aspects harboured by avatars that are in the Lands Between
No, the moon is just one of countless stellar objects that either happened to be closest or came on purpose to interfere with life.
>The game headbutts you over and over with the theme of many created by the divine spreading life and then converging back into the divine,
And this idea, applied to the Nox, is only described as a total failure. That's why the Dark Moon instead chose to hijack an existing divinity, and twist her to its will.

>>713929161
>trying to restore the natural order
Which is? Because as things stand, none of the endings restore the world nor is it ever implied a previous order can return.

>>713929271
The Elden Lord has no influence on the order outside the rune you add. You will be Godfrey 2.0 - in-waiting to be replaced. And reminder that whatever you add can be simply removed minutes later just like death was.

>>713928414
Have you played Ansbach questline.
Miquella is evil beyond any shadow of doubt and would subjugate the world.
Miquella would extend the mind control the Fingers use with the guidance of grace and make it a permenant state.
The only difference is that Miquella thinks he will be a good shepard capable of policing the world through a fog that renders their senses and abilities to freely act dull

>>713929271
>You kill Miquella because he becomes a God and thus a threat to your order
Okay? Why would I be upset about his order?
>you don't get to make someone else do it.
Why not? Fuck you.

You didn't beat the game.

>>713929461
there's no purpose to the elden lord period, or consorts

Yeah I know. I used the flask once.

>>713929423
>that either happened to be closest or came on purpose to interfere with life.
No, they are close because they are in the Lands Between
>And this idea, applied to the Nox, is only described as a total failure.
It isn't
>That's why the Dark Moon instead chose to hijack an existing divinity, and twist her to its will.
Headcanon, you don't even know what an empyrean is

>>713929452
Unless you destroy everything, you at least restore normal death, which should tamp down on supernatural shenanigans. The only endings worse than when the game starts are the endings where you destroy the world or make it worse on purpose.

>>713929506
>Why would I be upset about his order?
Because it's evil and Miquella is Griffith

Hornsent were BASED and I'm tired pretending killing hippies is evil.

You guys heard the theory that Marika was a jar saint? Explains why part of her is a dude with a different personality.

>>713929490
Ansbach is evil. He seethes at Miquella because Miquella inhibited his ability to murder people (which wasn't even intentional)
>Miquella would extend the mind control the Fingers use
Miquella has literally no connection to the fingers. He WOULD probably spread his charm over the world but, so fucking what?
>a fog that renders their senses and abilities to freely act dull
Good people are only mildly affected, and what they do experience is positive. Only murderers have their will inhibited, and I don't consider it a problem. In fact, the Miquella ending would be so cartoonishly good that everyone trying to poke holes in it honestly makes me sense. You faggots really would throw away eternal paradise if you didn't get to wear the crown.

>>713895414 (OP)
A heavily sloppified version of Souls, still entertaining but you're ultimately better off just playing DeS or DaS1 if you can.

>>713929506
Because the game is not about telling that story. The game is about YOU becoming Elden Lord, and Miquella doesn't want you to be his Elden Lord.
It's like you're complaining that Super Mario can't decide to train an army instead of going in alone, or that you can't play a refree in Fifa, or that you can't get off the car in Forza Motorsport.

>>713929705
Miquella is literally the opposite of griffith other than that they both have long hair. It's not even the same color.

>>713929956
Mohgs knigths don't kill normal people. They only hunt tarnished because they are led by grace to kill Mohg.

>>713929947
No, empyreans just have that sometimes. We know this because of Miquella and Trina

>>713929956
Nice headcanon, Miquellapedonigger.
The whole game is about committing a Cardinal Sin to fix a corrupted Order.
Now you want to make an Order where Sin is impossible and the Guidance of Miquella is literally absolute?

Miquella is no better than the Two Fingers. They both use grace to manipulate people, they both use scarifices to come into power, they both want to engineer society. Kill them both for an Order of Men

>>713929461
Why would you say that when the Elden Ring will never get repaired if you (or anyone else) becomes Elden Lord?

>>713895414 (OP)
goyslop

>>713929705
Miyazaki's obsession with moral ambiguity really worked against him in the DLC, he failed to provide any compelling motivation to oppose Miquella and had to literally fall back on an item description announcing your motivations.

I will never forgive Miyazaki for the $40 he stole from me desu.

>>713929980
Except the base game offered loads of opportunities to radically alter our character's behavior and even reject not only the title of elden lord, but existence itself.

>>713930152
We have to go back to the crucible.

>>713930196
Belurat was the best dungeon From made t b h.

>>713930034
Miquella is identical to Griffith
They are exactly the same thing
They both give up his humanity and emotions
They are both reborn from the Egg of the Perfect World
They both use apostles
They are even both reborn at the Tower of Conviction, that was built from an old ruler that is now a skull knight in both cases

>>713927164
Banishing Godfrey was almost certainly a demand of the Fingers, and so she planned out a long term revenge by sending him so far away that they couldn't hold any influence over him, so he'd one day return as Lord.
She tells Godfrey just as much when she does it, "hen, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed. Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring. Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey."
She'll banish him because of the commands of the Fingers, but it won't be willful and she set up her revenge centuries ahead of time.

>>713928354
Carians are the ubermensch of the Lands Between.

>>713929980
>The game is about YOU becoming Elden Lord
The game is just Dark Souls 4 with the worst lore and immersion of any game in the series.

If the game was good at what it did people wouldn't be asking why their own character is doing anything when he is presented as a blank slate with no personality right out of the gate.

Either you establish a personality if you want to dictate the player's actions or you make the context that causes the player to organically want to move in the direction you're pushing the story. Miyazaki failed to do the latter and it's a sign that he's a bad storyteller tbqh.

>>713930034
>he's trying to pretend like all the major characters in elden ring aren't just berserk characters

>>713930128
1. The "sin" we commit is good because it's a transgression against an evil order. What rule does Miquella have you find so objectionable?
2. Miquella only sacrificed himself
3. The fingers are cucks who have had no meaningful influence over anyone for at least 2 or 3 Orders.
4. Men are shit. Why would I prefer them over a God who destroyed his own capacity to be anything bur perfect?

>>713930304
It was just smaller, lamer, greyer Leyndell. Cool vibes but that's it.

Explain to me why animal worshipping hornsent managed to build a huge tower that is more impressive than anything the golden order build?

>>713930198
>offered loads of opportunities
In all the base endings, you become Elden Lord
In Ranni's ending you become her consort which is like being the Elden Lord
In the FF ending, you become (Elden) Lord of the Frenzied Flame (and destroy the world soon after).
In an hypothetical post DLC Miquella ending, you'd be sitting in the cuck chair while Miquelladan does all the work, because Miquella doesn't want anyone else as Lord other than Radhan.

>>713930434
Miyazaki ripping off Berserk but making it significantly worse has a lot less charm when he does it for the fifth time in a row.

>>713930518
because it's bullshit they made up

>>713927335
You're right about that.
Returning the world to its primal and disordered form to let it organically evolve again, would be an ideal end.

>>713930582
The DLC failed at providing organic motivation for the player, and is properly rated poorly for it among its other issues.

>>713930316
Griffith is a lowborn white haired androgynous swordsman and a selfish monster who ruined the world and murdered everyone who ever supported him to enhance his own splendor. Miquella is a demigod feminine blonde sorcerer and alchenist who spent his entire life helping others and trying to fix problems he didn't cause, going to far as to sacrifice most of his own personality in order to save the world. They could not be more different.

>>713930434
>>713930605
There are very few berserk references this time actually. Blaidd is guts. That's about it.

>>713928816
Ymir isn't objectively right about things.
We know the Moon is magical and Godly.
He just became obsessed with Metyr in an unhealthy way.

>>713930754
Miquella had the eclipse they were building up to but maybe they decided that was too retarded and somehow went an even more retarded route with Radahn.

>>713930627
>made up
It's consistent with the base game. Stormveil castle was build by a pre-erdtree storm ruler. What remains of the original structure is beautiful. Then you have the ugly grey shit the golden order added after they took over.

>>713896064
>Remember to explore the weeping peninsula first (area to the south of limgrave)

found this way too late
also, find the church that gives your the tool that lets you use tears. i didnt find that shit till i got to mohg and had to look up where it was

>>713930428
Why would you care about linking the Fire or not in any Dark Souls? Why can't i become the new Lord of Death by stealing Nito's rune? Why can't i just sit on Drangleic's abovegroud throne after killing both rulers? Why can't i choose to become a dragon and spend the rest of eternity with the Nameless at Archdragon Peak?

>>713930196
>Miyazaki's obsession with moral ambiguity really worked against him in the DLC,
It didn't
>he failed to provide any compelling motivation to oppose Miquella
This is completely wrong.
The reason you don't see why Miquella is evil is that you don't understand Elden Ring.
Miquella's Ring of Light is Grace capable of completely possessing the minds of people, with stronger effects than the dwindling and weak Guidance of Grace.

The "pacifist" non-aggression that Miquellapedos think makes their crush so good, is the same used in the Roundtable Hold by the Two Fingers, that also doesn't work on their graceless henchmen.
The Two Fingers heavily drug their acolytes with Finger Mimics to provide hallucinations and turn them into lampreys with the promise of ascension.

If you think an absolutist Order that will aggressively expand and conquer to subjugate all into slaves that can be compelled to do anything even against their interest is a utopia then you are fucked in the head

>>713910521
>How the fuck did it filter you?

ive beat it twice but demon souls definitely has the hardest levels out of any souls game
consequently, it has the easiest bosses

>>713930678
Nah you just misunderstood it.

>>713895414 (OP)
too big for its own good
great base game, crap dlc

>>713929947
Marika was probably a jar saint. The Hornsent probably mutilated her and shoved her in a jar with all her friends and family and that is why she hated them so deeply.
But I don't necessarily agree that Radagon is someone she was previously merged with.
Miquella and Trina demonstrate how unaltered Empyreans can split off personas from themselves. This is something half-genetic about them as Numen.

>>713930754
blaaid is guts, ranni is schierke, malenia is farnese, radahn is a mixture of many evil characters from berserk, miquella is griffith

then

Godfrey is Robert Baratheon
Radagon and marika are jaime and cersei lannister
morgott is joffrey

>>713930316
>Miquella is identical to Griffith
Shallow delver take, the character most reminiscent of Griffith is Marika.
Miquella is a red herring.

>>713931081
>malenia is farnese
Malenia is Princess Kushana from Nausicaa.

>>713931253
>mentally ill retard has to reply to posts pointing out obvious similarities with "nah"
lmao

>>713931293
Both actually, they lifted her helmet from berserk, fromsoft likes to ape berserk's armor sets

>>713931334
It's sad to see that you can't understand either Elden Ring or Berserk.

>>713895414 (OP)
Elden Ring is a 10/10 on your first run, and it just keeps dropping from there due to how fucking massive it is
So make the most out of your 1st run. See something cool in the distance? Make sure to go visit it

>>713931474
>mentally ill from fan HAS to defend his sloptrash series

>>713930924
Dark Souls had the excuse that your character was kept in the dark the whole time. Frampt is very clearly trying to trick the player into thinking they will become king,

Besides, in Dark Souls 1 there is an entire secret alternate Anor Londo if you choose to attack the closest thing to a benevolent god that you see in the game. It very clearly DOES give you the ability to do crazy shit you can't do in Elden Ring, where they resort to cheap tricks like pacifism zones and insta-teleporting NPCs.

>>713931007
The Elden Ring DLC is bad.

>>713931529
What the hell are you talking about? I just said the real closest Griffith homage is a different character from the one people usually think. That doesn't anything have to do with the quality of the series.

>be Marika
>hate hornsent for making living saints
>produce million of erdtree branded jars and the biggest jar ever that took a city to fill
What did she mean by this?

>>713931872
You have the same behaviour as low IQ homosexual propagandists
>we discovered you're full of shit because x=/=y
>Z? why would you bring up Z? Z is not X

>>713931676
Souls games were always liked the most by white people.

>>713931081
>ranni is schierke, malenia is farnese
Nothing in common
>radahn is a mixture of many evil characters from berserk,
He's an extremely blatant reference to Raoh from FOTNS
>miquella is griffith
They are opposites
>morgott is joffrey
The fuck are you talking about lmao

>>713930954
I'm sorry, but I'm not asking for your permission to feel any particular way about fictional video game characters and I have no interest in your media literacy lecture.

If the devs want to deny me control, that's within their power. But it's also within my power to react to what I'm given, and to recognize bad writing and worldbuilding that has been stapled together like Frankenstein's monster to justify boss fights. Maybe Miyazaki can find whatever talent he had back when he was making Demon's Souls again, and I look forward to that day, but SotE was garbage and you're only embarrassing yourself by getting this worked up over it.

>>713931925
The erdtree jars only house the dead instead of living people. She was essentially shitting on the hornsent by taking one of their most horrible practices and making a "good" version of it.

>>713932140
>fromfan still replying only with "nah"
lmao don't dox yourself bro I don't want to know you

>>713930924
>Why would you care about linking the Fire or not in any Dark Souls?
So you're saying I could choose to finish the assigned quest or NOT do that? Then why do I have to kill Miquella?

>>713931081
Name one thing Morgott and Joffrey have in common.

>>713932202
Anon, you have to be chopped up into fine meat scraps to become a jar it's not living people that become them. When you kill a erdtree branded jar it drops human meat too. At least play the game.

>>713932352
A core theme of asoiaf is inbreeding, same thing with elden ring, morgott is the "rightful king" and he's inbred, defended the capitol like joffrey

>>713931586
>Besides, in Dark Souls 1 there is an entire secret alternate Anor Londo if you choose to attack the closest thing to a benevolent god that you see in the game
Which has zero effect on its endings.

>>713930954
>People not being allowed to murder each other is... le bad!
The charm is consistently shown to have the absolute minimum effect required to compel someone to not be evil
>The Two Fingers heavily drug their acolytes with Finger Mimics to provide hallucinations and turn them into lampreys with the promise of ascension
Baseless headcanon

>>713932386
Did you not play the DLC?

>>713932236
>Then why do I have to kill Miquella?
To finish Shadow of the Erdtree.

>>713930196
To understand the DLC you need to understand what Fate and grace are.
Miquella wishes to use the influence Gods can exercise upon those affected through grace. The Two Fingers and Three Fingers showcases such influence many times, ability to manifest through hallucinations, affecting decision-making.

While for Marika's grace, this power has weakened and many don't even see it, Miquella's desire is to quell and shepard all those embraced by his Order, using Radahn as noble enforcer to fight any opposition, and will use his grace to bring Compassion and obfuscate the minds of its subjects.

The guidance of Grace and Miquella's charm are not direct mind control, but they are this sort of influence able to obfuscate the other paths, offer "guidance" and compel certain emotions. Miquella's charm is the result of his study of Golden Light from his background in Fundamentalism and so naturally very similar to the influence the Two Fingers through the cipher of light. All runes take the shape of an Iris, even the Three Fingers influence is shown through the eye. The effects of Miquella's charm cloud the judgment of those affected, but use as lever the emotions and insecurities of those affected.

Leda was never under the influence of Miquella, but she was faithful to his cause because both Miquella and Leda believe conflict, betrayal and hatred to be part of human nature and shares Miquella's vision of an Order to offer guidance to all creatures of the Lands Between so that conflicts cease to be.
The DLC challenges that notion many times and shows humanity can trascend differences and hatred, but Miquella is unable to see humanity as anything but its lowest. Both him and the companions are tormented by their shadows.

The DLC is not entirely about free will, as much as it is a vision of humanity and fate. Miquella has no faith in humanity and sees an Order of Compassion as necessary, but what good did Marika do, putting every enemy to the sword to govern all?

>>713932386
The jar saints are blatantly shown to be full bodies mashed together. A ghost even outright explains that the victims are put in the jar while alive.

>>713932507
Morgott isn't inbred. He's the son of Marika and Godfrey that have no genetic connection.

>>713932703
The reason morgot looks like he does is because he's inbred, all of marika's children are inbred and have something wrong with them. She's cersei

>>713932507
Morgott is literally the son of two non-related people, he's not inbred.

>>713932554
>Innard meat
>This is what becomes of the condemned, who get sliced up and stuffed into jars to become saints
Tell me how you are alive after being grinded into meat paste. You are mistaking the amalgamated beings that you see in the jails with a real person.

>>713932793
Almost as if they just copy pasted game of thrones and then jumbled up the cards

>>713932774
She's cursed for her sins against the Hornsent/Giants/etc.
But you can't be inbred when your spouse is not related to you.
Godfrey was not related to Marika. He had 3 children with her, Morgott, Mohg, and Godwyn. Godwyn was ostensibly perfect, but the other two were touched by the Crucible as an ironic curse on Marika, that her own children would have been worshipped by the Hornsent she hated so much.

>>713932530
The Roundtable Hold has the same exact effect
The charm is not good

>>713932973
So all of marika's children are inbred and evil

>>713932168
nta but this is among the most infuriating things I've read on this site and I have never paid an ounce of attention to the story in these games, it was obvious Miquella was just brainwashing everyone

>>713933095
The whole DLC is about self determination vs brainwashing
It's hilarious how illiterate and stupid the average gamer is

>>713932669
>Leda was never under the influence of Miquella
Leda directly admits that she's a paranoid loon while not under the charm, and based on her own experience, can intuit that you were not under it.
>The DLC challenges that notion many times
It really doesn't. No compelling counterargument is made. In fact, the only example of people uniting despite their differences while not under the charm, are Miquella's own followers. Who you can pick off or corrupt before the fight by picking on their biases and insecurities, if you wish. An opportunity that only exists because the charm broke.
>but what good did Marika do, putting every enemy to the sword to govern all?
Fuck all. Which is why Miquella chose a completely different path. Ansbach saying "become a lord for... LE MEN!" is just not good enough for me to think that this would lead to a better outcome.

>>713933223
the whole dlc is about killing an incest evil inbred brother fucking faggot

>>713932976
Those are contradictory statements. You really wouldn't give up your own capacity to murder people if it ended all war and murder everywhere in the world?

>>713933095
>it was obvious Miquella was just brainwashing everyone
My question is, why should I care? It literally only ever helps people.

>>713932845
Anon how can those walking meatballs be dead it they move and emote?

>>713905854
>The game allows you to give up on an area/boss by leaving to look for something else to do, which doesn't encourage you to truly learn a fight until the only content available to you is those ones you left
that sounds great for me, i never enjoyed having to bang my head up against a wall in DS1, especially when it came down to bad console performance being a big inhibitor

>>713895414 (OP)
>Ton of caves and catacombs.
>Bosses with delayed attacks.
>Pretty art direction, a bit less dark than those of its predecessors.
>Good build variety, Bleed and frost are broken though.
>Late game enemies and bosses that do insane damage. Level Vigor to 60.
>Fun, but limited horseback combat.
>Lot of cute girls with interesting questlines.
Have not played the DLC so i don't know how good or bad it may be.

>>713933230
>Leda directly admits that she's a paranoid loon while not under the charm, and based on her own experience, can intuit that you were not under it.
Leda is always paranoid and already killed the other Needle Knights. She is just extra paranoid because she is aware the others are not brainwashed anymore. You can see she did not have the great rune in her eye
>It really doesn't
It does
>In fact, the only example of people uniting despite their differences while not under the charm, are Miquella's own followers
No, there's many examples from Ansbach and Thiollier to Salza. Miquella's followers are motivated by the lowest kind of emotions, love for war, hatred, fear, and similarly Messmer and his soldiers are stuck in their war, with Messmer being the dummy target for all the hexing curses and wraiths the sins caused by Marika may conjure.
>completely different path
The path is not different at all. Miquella will subjugate all that will refuse to accept his Order which is no different than what Marika did. The idea that Miquella will extensively use brainwashing only makes it worse

>>713933334
The effect doesn't automatically propagate magically through bullshit wi-fi.
Radahn will trample all over those who refuse to accept the Blessing, like the player.

>>713930680
>Griffith was poor, checkmate
Wow you are right they are nothing alike!

>>713934181
>The effect doesn't automatically propagate magically through bullshit wi-fi.
It will when Miquella installs his light into the elden ring.

>>713934442
You didn't even attempt to address their radically different goals and methodologies

>>713934752
Well characters in souls games don't have goals because they're just ripped off characters they see in shows and anime

Play with a greatshield.
It's really fun.

>>713934696
That's not how it works. Miquella's Ring of Light is his new Ring
It's a different, unalloyed grace that would require blessings and not the endings that use Marika's grace.
Also similarly to how the Nox used mirrorhelms to ward off the influence of the Fingers, Miquella's influence would be facing hostility and opposition
>>713934752
There's no difference. They both dream of restoring the unified Midlands/Lands Between as established by Gaiseric/Ensha, in an utopia without fear. They both sacrifice their armies to ascend to Godhood. The only people who don't accept Miquella is Griffith are delusional

>>713925518
southern caelid is a valid alternative to liurnia btw. its north caelid otherwise known as dragonbarrow where you will get smacked hardest for trying it out of order.

Other than that people typically have 2 timesin the game where doing things out of order is noticable
#1 they get weapon upgraded past what morgott is balanced around
#2 they dont get vigor or weapon level up to what mountaintops is balanced around

other than that the idea of over leveling or under leveling is a bit of a meme short of skipping part of the beginner zone until lategame.

>>713919503
>Rot is the power of lifesteal
Nothing rot-related has any lifesteal powers. There's various other things which do--serpent stuff, blood stuff, actual death powers--but not that.

>>713934072
>Leda is always paranoid and already killed the other Needle Knights.
This is mostly likely when she was charmed. When the charm breaks, and she starts talking about hunting down and killing potential traitors again, she outright says
>I’ve come to a realization… There’s ample evidence… Without Kindly Miquella’s influence… I’m quite mistrustful of others…
Which is actually a VERY funny line because it happens after you've already helped her murder the hornsent
>Ansbach
Helps us because we decide to help him get revenge for Mohg for no reason
>Thiollier
Helps him because we literally NTR mindbreak him
>Salza
Who?
>Miquella's followers are motivated by the lowest kind of emotions, love for war, hatred, fear,
These are the emotions that you can use to divide and destroy them. If you don't, they are united by hope for a peaceful future and a dedication to bringing it to fruition.
>Miquella will subjugate all that will refuse to accept his Order which is no different than what Marika did.
Marika's wars and genocide were not that people refused her, but that she hated many people for who they were or who they reminded her of, because of her own fears and preferences and biases and trauma. Miquella has none of that (this was the whole point of his spiritual journey), and his order explicitly allows for the existence and prosperity of all who live. Plus, even among those who would be inclined to defy him (which would be few), Miquella's magic would make that extremely difficult if not outright impossible. The mass exterminations you imply would happen would both be pointless and anathema to Miquella's explicitly stated goals and ideals.

>>713935286
>There's no difference.
Ranni is closer to Griffith than Miquella.

>>713935286
>Also similarly to how the Nox used mirrorhelms to ward off the influence of the Fingers,
This is literally a joke at Iji's expense. You can't ward off the sight of God by wearing a tinfoil hat.
>as established by Gaiseric/Ensha
Oh shit, it's you. No more (you)s for you, you retard schizo

>>713935893
Not like you would know, you're just saying random shit because you can't cope with all the symbolism STILL in fromsoft games being berserk

>>713935893
>Ranni
>witch
>has a friend that's a dogman
>if she severs her connection with him he goes insane
that's all we really know about her through gameplay and that's literally schierke's relationship with Guts

>>713938202
We know that she also schemed to kill her brother as a sacrifice in a ritual that would free her from the influence of the Two Fingers. And that in doing so she partnered with a group of god-hating assassins and empowered them to be a danger to all gods (even herself) in doing so.
And that she has the ambition to take over as Goddess and instate her own ideal Order over the lands.

>>713938202
>that's all we really know about her
She got her doll body by performing a demonic murder ritual and used Godwyn as an unwilling sacrifice in the process.

>>713938398
The "night of the long knives" plot was something fromsoft had GRRM write because it makes 0 sense, ranni is a fromsoft original character which is why she's a berserk character MEANING her writing and backstory is just meaningless fluff too

>>713938486
How does it make zero sense?

>>713938523
The entire plot of elden ring that GRRM wrote is just game of thrones. Ranni and godwyn are the only characters that aren't actually connected to GRRM's previous works. Fromsoft had to write all the character's motivations which is why Marika's actions make no sense, similarly ranni makes no sense as a character. Everything points to GRRM giving them a general outline and them fumbling it all.

>>713938676
That isn't specific. Be specific please so I have something to reply about.
What about the Night of the Long Knives doesn't make sense?
What about Ranni's character doesn't make sense?
What about Marika's character doesn't make sense?

>>713938798
Ranni as a character is just schierke from berserk dropped into elden ring and pushed as a main character but fromsoft had no idea what to do with her so you just do meaningless fetch quest

meanwhile you have mentally ill people on the internet spamming for like 3 years now about shit they made up

>>713904837
He is just trolling, everyone who makes these kind of threads is trolling.

>>713938887
Except she's not like Schierke at all in personality and just playing the game and talking to her makes that painfully obvious.
You're relying on one commonality, that she's a witch with a hound coded knight. And then extrapolating that to everything else about her personality and character, and when that obviously contradicts the content of the game that is exposited at the player, you act like there's some massive contradiction there.
When this is entirely you projecting a personality onto the character that the game never pretended existed.

Separated from Schierke, what about Ranni's character doesn't make sense?

>>713939056
>personality
she says like 5 things all game

>why doesn't ranni make sense
She's just a random npc hanging out in the world you do a quest for, except she's also supposed to be a glimpse into the main plot, except everything revealed is purposefully asspulled and vague because they have no idea what they're doing

>>713938486
>because it makes 0 sense,
Whatever GRRM originally wrote for it (probably fuck all), what we do know about it makes perfect sense, both in terms of what it was and why she did it.

>>713895414 (OP)
You will probably get about 10 hrs in before you get completely sick of exploring and horse riding altogether, then you realize the game is literally just DS3 except with an open world that does nothing but detract from the core game. At that point, you will likely still finish, but you will never be fucked to do a 2nd playthrough ever again.

>>713928236
>off of

>>713942894
>ESL retard

>>713933413
You don't understand. Here you're proposing a question of free will. You, as the player, should be able to choose what you do and what you want, especially when no solid reason or context is given to your actions. This argument falls flat in the head of the other guy, who keeps pushing his shitposting of "but X is evil because... he is OK?? DON'T QUESTION THINGS". You keep asking "why" and you're making him angry like the NPC in the meme when questioned about something.

>>713935886
You think FromSoft didn't include an ending where you join Miquella for fear of damaging their "dark and deep" fantasy? Or just laziness?

Buy this weapon from the southernmost merchant on weeping peninsula (and by extension the southernmost merchant on the map) and have fun.

>>713943437
>You, as the player, should be able to choose what you do and what you want, especially when no solid reason or context is given to your actions

Bro it's notdarksouls Miquella is a bad guy he wants your Elden Ring are you a bad enough dude to kill him and make the orbital death laser spell

>>713895414 (OP)
waste of time """"""exploring"""""

>>713943968
Some combination of the following
1. Laziness
2. Autistic insistence on keeping with a promise Miazaki made early on that the DLC would not have a new ending
3. Autistic waifufags who didn't want people not picking Ranni's ending
4. They couldn't think of an alternative finale for the DLC if you didn't want to fight Miquella (as it is, the PCR bossfight was still being finished in literally the last week or two before launch)

>>713945021
I honestly don't get it. Someone could get angry for having more options instead of less? FromSoft is truly shitting the bed.

>>713895414 (OP)
I advise running from the tree sentinel.
Horseback guy with a halberd.
At least until the church with a bonfire.
Come back for revenge later.

>>713942894
Those are phonetically different

>>713895414 (OP)
Dark Souls 7