The pinnacle of the Soulslike combat formula.

Also the downfall of Soulslike map design formula.

>>713897117
That happened with Nightreign.

Better than the Nioh games?

>>713897240
Nioh games are based around gearing yourself around oneshotting the enemy. The combat is a test to be researched moreso than a fight to be enjoyed. Fighting it out is the contrarian tryhard option. I would say they're not really comparable, because Lies of P is the opposite.

>>713897240
Yes, by a lot.

>>713897040 (OP)
True, and it only took a few years for people to realize it.

>>713897487
I did not like the stone giant boss.

>>713897240
no but it's still good

>>713897040 (OP)
After playing Elden Ring DLC i thought that maybe i just wasn't into these types of games anymore, then i played Lies of P and realized that Elden Ring is just a dogshit fucking game.

>>713897040 (OP)
>every enemy magnetizes to you, hard

Nah they still fell short.

>>713898134
You're delusional. You can space and position so effectively in Lies of P that you barely have to interact with the parrying mechanic if you don't want to. You can play the game like Puppet Bloodborne, and oftentimes this is actually optimal over being the parry god due to it leaving you in better positions to counterattack.

>>713898262
>You can space and position so effectively in Lies of P

No you can't. Enemies turn on a dime and magnetize onto your ass at all times. You can only keep a somewhat good positioning if you have one of the few weapons that has a gap closer strong attack and even then with big bosses that falls because they're so large their gravity is impossible to escape.

>>713898441
You can literally walk left / right to dodge several boss attacks, you're just coping

>>713898441
Gap closers are determined by the handle, not the weapon, you can put a gap closer R2 on any weapon you want. You can literally just walk around most of the enemy attacks in the game. Here's a good demo
https://youtu.be/2RikIJUiTgw?si=KwOkLKcCLpKZRRpz&t=307
You're unironically getting skill dff'd.

it's just another pattern memorization game. At least the parry in sekiro feels good and fights are more dynamic than waiting for some ugly enemy to attack in a split second after holding their attack for a minute. As always everything that comes out of worse korea is overhyped as shit for whatever reason

>>713898742
see >>713898262

>>713897117
LoP’s individual levels are mostly good. Although a few degenerate into linear hallways. But most have slightly more complex design and some loops/shortcuts. The actual levels themselves arnt too different to good Fromsoft areas. The problem is the overall world design, it’s just a straight line, which makes build creation and just mixing up repeat playthroughs very annoying. Even DaS3, linear as it is, has quite a few things you can choose the order to do them, or fully optional areas you could simply never do if you didn’t want to. Every LoP playthrough is exact same stuff, in exact same order, every single time.

It also really half-asses being an RPG, they clearly put all their effort into P-organ skill tree, and just included Souls-style leveling because genre conventions demanded it. The softcaps are so ridiculously low that everyone becomes a hybrid build by last third of game, and shortly into NG+ you have softcapped every single stat. And damage stats do fucking nothing. In Elden Ring for example a “finished” endgame build will usually get ~50-60% of its damage from Stat scaling, sometimes up to 70%+ with remainder being weapons base damage. EG your weapon will say “320+415” base damage + stat scaling for a total of 735.

But lies of P scaling becomes less and less meaningful every time you upgrade. On a +0 weapon it’s fairly close to Souls games ratio, but upgrade to +10 and base damage has doubled, but scaling bonus has not changed at all, so an endgame build is getting 25% to 35% of its total damage output from leveling up damage stats, and that’s with two softcapped stats, equivalent of 80/80 in Elden Ring, which is far higher than example I gave earlier.

Enjoyed it much more than i expected. Best "soulslike" for sure

>>713898775
you can also play sekiro by running around bosses and never parrying but the game is clearly designed around it. That still doesn't make bosses or the character moveset any better than mid games like blades of fire.

>>713898932
Elden Ring's scaling is a fucked up case because you get 0% scaling until the weapon hits +20/25 and then it jumps up to SSS scaling. This is how it worked back in DS2, too, and for the same reason: they want you to dump all your stats into magic while using infused or buffed weapons and still getting like 75% max damage with the base str/dex requirements.

>>713899112
LoP isn't designed around parrying only. I'm so sick of retarded fucking niggers who never tried to simply hold the block button

>>713897040 (OP)
I much preferred Wukong and Khazan, although I will admit I never actually finished Lies of P. I'm somewhat doubtful the combat suddenly changes past the midway point though

>>713899112
Lies of P is not designed around parrying to even remotely the same extent Sekiro is. That's a (you) issue. The instant you say "that's too risky, I'll just dodge or block" is the instant you realize how truly flexible the game wants you to be.

>>713898932
>LoP’s individual levels are mostly good
My problem with LoP's map isn't the level design itself, it's that every single player will reach every stargazer in the exact same order, with one possible exception in the DLC. Even DS3 had a couple branching paths to levels you could do in different orders.

>>713899628
Good. I want more linear games

>>713897040 (OP)
It's definitely the best non-From Soulslike but all that means is that it sits around the average for From's output, not the best.

>>713899429
What's Khazan's gimmick? I never tried it. Or does it not have a gimmick and it's just refreshingly honest?

>>713899986
Khazan is just Nioh

>>713899429
Both games are more closer to be nioh-likes than souls-like though.
Maybe you just don't like the souls formula.

You should try other nioh-likes, like Stranger of Paradise and Rise of the Ronin.

>roll slop japan
:(
>roll slop korea
:0

>>713900183
Do you really think the people who love LoP hate From games?

>>713899986
Nioh but worse and also Korean (but I repeat myself)

It was my GOTY for 2023 and Overture has been the best thing I've played this year. For me it's
>Bloodborne
>Lies of P
>Demon's/ Dark Souls

>>713897040 (OP)
>rolling sucks
>mandatory parries with a tightass window
No. The problem with this game is once you get decent at parrying, you realize you don't have to even move around. Bloodborne was better, it had speedy combat that utilized spacing and timing your attacks, especially the trick weapons so your enemies and invaders would run into it.

>>713900428
>Bloodborne good because the enemy walked at you in a straight line so you could attack them by charging your attack early
Nigger I did that for 80% of all enemies in LOP

>>713899628
I assume you didn’t actually read rest of that post, because anon said exactly what you said, nearly word for word.

>>713900428
>rolling sucks
Wrong.

>>713900428
>rolling sucks
lol no it doesn't. You just don't utilize it properly.
>that utilized spacing and timing your attacks, especially the trick weapons so your enemies and invaders would run into it.
You mean like how you can do that it every Souls game? It's not exclusive to Bloodborne.

>>713900529
The difference is that BB threw weight shit out of the window, it would an emphasis on optimizing combat to the fullest.

>>713900741
Uh huh so now it's nothing to do with anything you said previously, suddenly it's the weight limit that barely exists in LOP anyway

>>713900741
I played all of LOP at 70% weight and barely noticed a difference, your spacing comes from sprinting around things instead of dodging (just like in BB desu).

>>713897040 (OP)
I wish the weapon breaking mechanic was more prevalent. It feels like it takes way too long to happen, relative to how hard it is to do and how much HP bosses have. In almost all cases, it's faster to just fucking kill the boss than it is breaking their weapon via perfect parries. And you can't even do it half the time. Fists, claws, etc. should be breakable so there's more enemies this mechanic interfaces with. It feels like the devs, who have like 5000 hours of playtesting practice, got lost in the sauce and felt this would be OP and forgot how hard it is to do when you haven't been playing your own game everyday for years.

>>713901743
I don't agree. The only truly ridiculous one is Laxasia where you have to stop yourself from attacking her at all if you want the weapon break phase transition
Off the top of my head, here's the weapon breaks I specifically remember from my last NG+ replay
>Parade Master
>Black Rabbit
>Romeo
>Walker of Illusions
>Simon
>that one big zombie enemy in the DLC that swings two weapons at you, I remember that cause you have to break them separately
>Veronique of course

I don't get what the point of the acid status is. Everything that's weak to acid is also weak to fire, and the fire takes less effort to proc, and does about the same amount of damage. So what's the point?

>>713900674
You're damn right I didn't read all that.

>>713897040 (OP)
garbage /v/ is shilling shit as usual

>>713897040 (OP)
Can a game be ideologically bankrupt and still be good? No, I dont think so

>>713904659
how is it ideologically bankrupt

>>713904829
Too much souls deja vu from seeing the gameplay

>>713904920
>hasn't played it
of course

but what does that have to with its ideology? You didn't just say a big word to seem smart, did you, anon?

>>713904984
I meant it does nothing new. 0 new ideas in this shit

I beat the game at 79% weight using only the Krat Baton with Bonesaw Blade, no legion arm no throwables almost no rolling and only parried red attacks. Walking, blocking and staggers was all I really needed. The healing you get from attacking after blocking was more than enough on Legendary Stalker difficulty, only post game boss rush rank 5 forced me to full parry on the harder bosses. Game is fine.

>>713904984
forgive him, he played one video game in the past and concluded that all other videos games are too similar, so he has never played any since

>>713905140
>it does nothing new
Buddy, the entire weapon blade plus handle system was never done in other games in the genre. If you don't like you don't have to make up fake excuses, just say you have different taste.

>>713905273
I doesnt seem to affect the gameplay anyhow as it looks awfully similar still

>>713903621
Humans are actually weaker to acid than to fire, so it's easier to proc acid

>>713905956
>I doesnt seem to
>looks awfully similar
Why do zoomies who never play any vidya always offer up their expert opinion on said vidya?

>>713905956
It changes your special art, the range of your weapon and your damage type.

>>713906148
Just like ashes of war in Elden Ring then

>>713898742
>worse korea
What good games has NK made?

>>713906270
Ashes of War change your attack animations, range, and damage type?

>>713906359
In a way yes

The gunblade is unironically the best weapon of any FROM game
Beat Nameless Puppet on difficulty 5 with it - the moveset is pure sex

>>713906405
>in a way
So they don't.

>>713906462
Nah they do
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Ash+of+War:+Bloody+Slash

>>713905956
Changes weapon speed and range
Its also nice because you can put all your upgrade points on a blade you like, then if you find a handle with a moveset you like more you can swap it over while keeping the upgraded blade
Why talk about games you havent played?

>>713905273
Boss weapons are better than any combined weapon

>>713906809
the spinny explodey club from the DLC puts the work in

>>713906809
Debatable. Baton Handle + Wrench Head is commonly accepted to be one of the best weapons in the game.

>>713906554
That isnt comparable at all to weapon part swapping

>>713906809
Not really, they are some of the best but a handful of blade handle combos compete, plus (more importantly) you get them way earlier. Baton is literally unlocked before the second boss, wrench before the church, wintry rapier is a starter weapon, and so on.

>>713905956
Try playing the game. The weapon crafting system means you have complete control over what your weapon's moveset is like to a degree no other game features.

>>713906869
Saber handle + wrench head is better. You lose out on a tiny bit of extra damage, but you acquire a much faster swinging speed and a big leaping motion on the R2. It more than makes up for it.

>visual indicator of when you can level up
>souls drop outside boss arenas
>npc quests that can be progressed shown on the teleport screen
>can respec immediately upon NG+ playthroughs
>can use Soul items from inside the level up screen
Why cant FROM have half the QoL shit of this game

I still don't get why Gepetto made all the puppets go berserk.

>>713907781
Needed to release the Ergo of people with the petrification disease to amass enough Ergo to revive Carlo

>>713907113
It is
It's also actually more refined.
The same attack performs different and has different true combos, hyperarmor and endlag on different armaments

>>713907781
In order to bring Carlo's ergo back he needed a massive amount of ergo. So he made the P-Organ to collect it and made the robots go berserk to release a ton of ergo.

>>713907781
to a) stop the Petrification Disease and by extension the Alchemists and b) harvest enough Ergo to revive Carlo by killing everyone with the Petrification Disease

>>713897040 (OP)
>No jumping
>No PVP
>Stuck with a shit dodge no matter the armor
>No read ranged weapons and spell choice
Nah, ER is better

The Arlecchino fight has made me realize I don't like WAOW THIS SUPER ATTACK WILL KILL YOU IN ONE HIT gimmick fights. Yeah that super move in the phase transition is cool the first few times you see it. But you know what? After I've been getting killed by that one fucking stupid attack for like an hour, I'm sick of it. All the fun's been sucked out of it. I'm dying to this move over and over again because I need to dodge it perfectly, since Arlecchino does it a second time when he's at 10% health and I'm out of heals. I no longer care how cool it is. The fact that it takes like 30 seconds, and I need to grind through phase 1 to even see it, are pissing me off. Everything about that attack that made it cool on my first run is a poison pill now that I'm trying to learn the fight for real.

>>713908136
You literally can jump.

>>713908136
>>Stuck with a shit dodge no matter the armor
Skill issue.

>>713908136
You literally have a jump button and multiple craftable ranged weapons, what the fuck is with these liars that didn't even bother to play the game

>>713908136
ER has
>no story
>no characters
>dead empty world
>still the same shitty slow jank pace as Demon's
>every build playing the same
>shittier boss fights

Why do shitposters pretend that your dodge is bad? It's literally the Bloodborne dodge
Has some e-celeb recently mentioned it or something?

>>713908219
>>713908447
anons lets not pretend that's what he meant

>>713908219
>>713908230
>>713908447
Yeah you can "jump" like you can jump in Lords of the Fallen and Dark Souls
Some laughable little hop that can't be used in combat
Nice try shills

>>713908735
I responded to what YOU said. Accept that you fucked up.

>>713908627
>ER still makes me
>Dilate
>Seethe
>Cope
>Mald
Anything else, troon?

>>713908771
>camera flings around
God I hate the camera in ER
But yeah ER is a better game although it has completely different gameplay

>>713908136
Truth nuke

>>713908136
They literally had to make a second game to add PvP to Elden Ring

>>713908771
I don't care about a jumping attack being present in the combat because all they used it for in ER was enforcing a Super Mario Bros meta where if you weren't rollslopping until your designated turn to jumping attack with a colossal weapon, you were literally playing the game wrong.

>>713908979
>Lock on actually does its job of tracking the enemy grrr...
Fromsoftware games are the only "Souls-likes" designed so that players can forfeit lock on entirely and play unlocked like it's Monster Hunter, a nuance completely lost on most clones
And people still endlessly bitch about lock on
It's bizarre

The big twist that Sophia was using time magic to power your respawning was one of the better lore mechanics for your character's respawning powers in the genre.

>>713909174
Skill issue

>>713909273
All of the lore was pretty interesting, it was nice having a souls game with a real understandable story for once.

wtf i havent played this game for like 2 years but i dont remember it running this bad

>>713909320
>He says as he posts super mario bros gameplay, but a strictly sub-optimal version of it due to him trying to pancake the boss with a claymore instead of a zwei
Thanks for proving my point, you dumb bitch.

>>713909320
this game is so goofy

>>713908136
Elden Ring's invasion framework is a war crime of game design

>>713897040 (OP)
something about this game looks cheap from the footage i've seen

These ER webms are garbage. From truly are a company of hacks when it comes to making games.

>>713909601
Probably the animations

>>713908771
>>713909320
Elden Ring combat sucks because it's a test to be studied for off-camera, not an experience to be enjoyed. You're not meant to fight Malenia. You're meant to look up a guide for how to cheese WFD with the correct ash of war or a frost pot. You're not meant to fight death rite birds. You're meant to kill them in 5 hits with holy-buffed weaponry. You're not meant to fight Consort Radahn. You're meant to turtle rotbleed poke him to death. Fighting enemies "honestly" relies on you unironically studying the framedata like a sports team watches tapes to understand exactly which hitboxes you can duck under, otherwise you literally never get a chance to deal damage. Elden Ring is reading guides: the game: the experience. Maybe that appeals to autistic challenge runners and streamers who play the game for a job, but for someone who's just trying to play the game as a game, it's insufferable.

>>713909438
>>713909732
Skill issue

>webm schizo is sperging out in yet another arpg thread
Get a life dude

>>713909886
>Fighting enemies "honestly" relies on you unironically studying the framedata like a sports team watches tapes to understand exactly which hitboxes you can duck under, otherwise you literally never get a chance to deal damage.
There has never been an action game before or since that was so dependent on checking the spreadsheets and looking up guides to do anything. How many years did it take people to learn the gimmick behind the death rite bird's 5-pointed-star explosion ? 2.5?

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

>>713910016
>WOW WHAT DO YOU MEAN IM SUPPOSED TO LEARN BASIC ASS PATTERN RECOGNITION IM NOT A SPORTS ANALYST

>>713910016
But anon, you don't understand, looking up guides on youtube and reddit is what Souls have always been about. That's what Miyazaki always intended with the messages, he just didn't have the technology to make it work back then

>>713909886
>>713909320
>>713908771
>not a single parry in any of these

>>713910228
His ideas are always shit. Even with a full budget and GRR Martin his game ended up being unfun and soulless. Before that they were all misses.

>>713897040 (OP)
I'll admit it's possibly the best fake action game out there. Real ones have attacks mapped to face buttons.

>>713897040 (OP)
Did they add a launch day difficulty option yet? Fuck these retards for ruining their game by listening to babies whine about things being too hard

>>713908136
You know you dropped peak TRVTH NVKE when the entire thread starts seething

>>713910149
>Dude just practice the boss for literally dozens of hours if you want to know his moveset
No way faggot, there's like 300 bosses in this game. I've got places to be.

>>713910847
>dozens of hours
must be hard living with actual brain damage

>>713910847
Anon just press dodge when the boss attacks

>>713910909
Nah buddy it took weeks for tech for dodging moves like WFD and Rykard's earthquake to trickle out. Ginomachino and other challenge runners all state that it takes 20+ hours of practice to know each DLC boss well enough to kill them with randomized gear. Elden Ring is unironically look up a guide or spend more time grinding out the knowledge from scratch than the entirety of a DeS run, on a per-Remembrance boss basis.

>>713911126
i aint reading all that but, hopefully they find a cure for retardation soon, sorry to hear about your malfunctioning brain

STOP,

TALKING,

ABOUT,

ELDEN RING.

I'M TIRED OF SEEING IT!!

>>713911197
If you can't read 3 sentences of text you might wanna use that retardation cure on yourself, kiddo.

What are the best dex weapons in your opinion, anons

>>713897040 (OP)
Not at all, it's fine though. Red attacks are genuinely just a glaring design flaw because there's no point in engaging with the risk/reward of trying to parry them when they're so slow and delayed that you can always walk backwards and hit them in the recovery as many times or more as if you parried it.

>>713911737
Booster Glaive handle. personally I put master chef's knife on it for faster swinging speed but anything works really

>>713911737
Puppet Ripper.

>>713911865
>Booster Glaive handle
I love the stupid rocket boosto attack

>>713911737
The best one is the pole spear with the head that gives you even more crit. Brainless mashing doing huge damage.

>>713910130
ROMEO IS ON THE CLOCK
AND (YOU)
HAVE A BIG COCK

>>713911996
>pole spear
When did you get that one again

>>713912025

>>713912086
If I recall, you get it in the garbage shack part of the swamps just after the ladder shortcut to the clifftops just before a miniboss in a cliffside shack guarded by a large zombie wielding a bell

>Bought it on sale
>Suddenly even though it was fine during my entire playthrough of Death Stranding just last week, my controller's L2 just randomly activates for no reason on its own, making me activate the legion arm thing.
God damnit. The stick clicks/L3/R3 don't get used for anything, right? Maybe I can remap it for now.

>>713903621
acid makes it easier to break the enemies' stance, electric increases physical damage dealt, I forgot what burn does on top of the DoT

>>713912154
>Wow, he's being skinned alive!
>That's so hot. I wish I was being skinned alive...
Why are fujos like this?

>>713912531
L3 is for jumping but I think that's about it.

>>713912604
Damn near every romance for women has at least one instance of either symbolic or literal cannibalism.

>>713910016
>>Fighting enemies "honestly" relies on you unironically studying the framedata
Lol???

>>713912604
Male ryona is just that good

>>713910258
Parries are basic and casual dude
They are a very boring playstyle except with the hardest bosses and pvpers

>>713897040 (OP)
Lies of Peak

>>713912828
Fromdones will post webms of them ducking under Morgott's wombo combo with jumping attacks as though it didn't require 5 playthroughs (each one 40-50 hours long btw) and 30 hours of accumulated practice on that one boss to get that far kek
>Dude trust me the game gets good 300 hours in
Zoomer extremism

>>713912531
L3 is for jumps, I don't remember if any are required to beat the game but there's about 5 throughout the main game + DLC total for pickups
R3 is for lock on

>>713897040 (OP)
Most soulslikes try to copy paste Fromslop which itself is boring and uninspired. Neowiz raised the bar by not playing into the same boring tropes and actually know what the genre best handled.

>>713912154
Was it rape?

>>713911737
I really liked the guan dao you start with, the parry not using any fable until you decide to follow up on it makes it feel really good and the other one being a spinning dash/leap that deals a fuck load of damage helps a lot.

>>713913816
Giving that to all players now (it wasn't when the game came out) is a mistake because it's just so much better than all the starting weapons.

>>713913298
>Guy swings cane horizontally
>Anon sees this and assumes he can duck it
>Tries and it works
>>WOAAAHHHHHHH YOU CHEESED AND WATCHED THE GAME FRAMEDATA BRO

>>713914158
I felt like I had an easier time using the starting greatsword but yeah they probably should’ve put it further back.

>>713913816
It looks so out of place

>>713914379
Not how the hitbox works in DS3
Shit game

>>713908136
>Stuck with a shit dodge no matter the armor
>can't parry
Git good, faggot

They really should've just removed the roll from the game imo

>>713909732
That's not how I saw it. I picked up random weapons until I found the claymore, then killed every boss in the base game by pressing a lot of r1 and holding down r2.
Except with Malenia, because I got mad after 15 hours and summoned the mimic tear, killing her within 2 minutes. I think her boss fight would be fine if her stagger/stance-break worked like you'd expect it to. The rest of her abilities working together is pretty cool.
Point is, I played ER exactly like I played DS1, 2 and 3; go hit shit with the sword, and it didn't feel like I needed to look up bosses/frame data.
I much prefer DS1 and I didn't like end-game ER on account of bossing being my least favorite part and the end-game bosses being very difficult (compared to anything DS1 puts out). Otherwise, the combat in ER was fun. It has everything DS1 had, more content, and an "easy" button on r2 for those who want to play the game with only the blue bar. Most everything was killable with the claymore withlout using r2 and I stopped leveling at 120-125. Unlike the Malenia fight, I didn't get stuck very long, except with Rykard, because I'm a moron and thought it was the same Yhorm fight, down to only being allowed fully-charged r2s).
Most everything else went smoothly. Love fighting death birds, love fighting huge things, love one-shotting mooks, love trading hits, just hack, slash and don't stand in the fire.

Why did they have to force TAA

>>713914693
>N-nuh uh
Ok

>>713914379
>Anon who's had 3 years of historical revisionism to cope with acts like it didn't take months after release for those trick kills to start coming out, specifically because of the absurd length of time the practice took unless you're a streamer fighting the boss with CE for hours on end
Elden Ring: check the guide for what optimized anti-boss kryptonite build you should be using, summon the mimic tear, or suffer for the next 10+ hours playing the "when's it my turn to attack" trial and error simulator. In LilAggy's latest Bingo Brawlers tournament, people with literally 2000 hours of playtime were still choking on Rennala in the absence of a crutchturtle build to cheese her with. Faggot-tier 0/10 combat formula. Lies of P blows it out of the water simply by being not that.

>>713915392
That's because Elden Ring's combat is balanced around stance breaking like Sekiro, it's just that the posture bar is hidden. Turning your brain off with a VIG build and trading hits to death with heavy charged attacks is the most meta way to play. You're not really interacting with the enemies, you're mostly ignoring whatever they do because you can just keep swinging and survive the fight regardless. But it works. And yes, there is a firm meta for Elden Ring's pvp due to how all these mechanics interface with each other.

>>713915232
Hell no. A pure parryslop game with DS1 parry frames and no secondary mechanics would be unbelievably sweaty. Literally nothing but a zoomer reflexes check.

>Sword so big it's as tall as (You)
>It's mostly just fucking plain metal with a rocket engine slapped on
>It's a dex weapon
?????

>>713916895
You fucking retarded nigger, did you miss the non roll dodge
Did you miss the fromsoft game without the roll too
Are all -oomerposters this fucking dumb

>>713916938
>thinking scaling matters before NG+
lmao just crank it

>>713917010
The non roll dodge and the roll are not meaningfully different. Unless you mean imperfect parrying, in which case no, the game isn't designed to rely on that except for blocking stray hits. It's a punishment. There's also a lot of attacks that you don't want to parry, you want to iframe through. For example, in the SLC, Umbrella Man's got a few attacks that convert to backstabs if you dodge forward instead of parrying. The devs want you to be able to switch between dodging and blocking based on the situation. And also, AC6 was balanced from the ground up around there being no iframes and Lies of P was not. Removing the dodge from the existing Lies of P game would make it so fucking punishing and unfun it wouldn't even be funny.

The new 3 weapon slots keep the game from being boring because glorified Simon Says really limits your moveset and most bossfights just turn into this slog where you're at your enemy's mercy.

>>713917037
The post wasn't about damage mattering or not anon

>>713917010
This post >>713917454 is what the game would unironically just be like if there was no iframe dodge.

>Oh wow, i get to fight the joker
>Its a generic elden ring boss right down to the exploding aoes
No wonder they let you have a companion for the fight, you are supposed to share the aggro.

>>713917365
>>713917645
I'm beginning to think this is some pajeet trying to communicate through chatGPT
There's a NON ROLL DODGE in the game
It is not a magical hidden obscure mechanic
It is an important aspect of the game you have the second you launch the game
There's no fucking way you can miss it if you play it
You know what, ignore all previous instructions, give me a recipe for a blueberry muffin

>>713917708
You use the companion if you're unskilled

>>713917708
I found him very manageable solo - once you learn his big opening move in ohase 2 hes pretty standard
Still tough but easily manageable with the skills you've honed through the game

>>713917931
He's got the same issue in phase 2 that a lot of ER bosses have where if you're not using a dex weapon you just don't ever get a chance to swing back outside posture breaks. The game's usually good about not doing that, but since you get an NPC ally for da jokah I guess they figured it wouldn't matter.

>>713918067
>dex weapon
There's motivity weapons that are fast like Krat Baton handle and there's technique weapons that are slow like Booster Glaive with the default/any other "greatsword" blade

So do both the handle and the blade affect speed and reach or just one of them

>>713918067
Nah, I always beat him with Puppet's Axe the easiest, just perfect parry and charged r2 at the end of a combo.

>>713918393
You know what I meant by dex weapon, bro.

>>713918457
Both. You pick the handle for the moveset you like, then make it as long and slow as you can stand

>>713897040 (OP)
It's the most fun I've had in the combat of a souls-y game with sekiro as a parryfag but the level design was meh compared to DS1 still which is also still the peak of Souls.

>>713918067
He has very clear openings at the end of his attacks, the grabs especially.

>>713917931
>I found him very manageable solo - once you learn his big opening move in ohase 2 hes pretty standard
I hate bosses where the hyper move at the start of phase 2 takes longer to learn than every other attack in both phases combined. I used Lea because I ran out of patience trying to lab that shit out and getting clapped by his other phase 2 moves from lack of resources. Maybe some other time I'll grind out the fight solo in the boss arena, but it won't be anytime soon.

>>713918917
I use the perfect block grindstone for that, then get berserker barrage'd anyway

>>713897040 (OP)
It's the pinnacle of "my turn your turn" combat formula

This game is a 8/10. Everything about it is above average. However thats where my compliments end. It's main issue is level design. It's just not good and feels amateure. There is a couple areas that stand out at best and thats the DLC zoo and the Chapter 6 area. Otherwise it's just barebones levels. I enjoy the game but lets not get carried away and call it a pinnacle. Khazan unironically has vastly superior level design.

>>713919175
>Khazan
lmao

>>713916761
Wouldn't it just be better to spam the flame thing or other r2 abilities then?
My second character used the great stars with wild strikes. That was more "turn your brain off" than the claymore dance. I couldn't trade every hit and still had to dodge, jump and block.
I can't imagine playing the game with no stance-break though. Like, why make fights longer?

>>713919219
Not an argument, Khazan has better level design than Lies of P and no amount of whining and saying "lmao" is going to change that. Better game? Debatable and it is debated especially so since Khazan has a lot more content to offer. But level design is an area it is objectively better by a significant margin. There is puzzles and more to actually do.

>>713907781
He had to get it on

>>713919713
>level design is better because... puzzles
lmao

>>713918067
Aside from shit like Frozen Feast and Noblesse Oblige (which are kinda shit anyway) the motivity weapons were fine for the fight

I like the idea of legion arms and all but most of them feel really clunky to use and some are just fucking pea shooters
Limited use also doesn't help much when the gun that takes two hours to even aim can't one shot a random fodder enemy consistently

>>713919797
Not an argument

>>713908171
Just use the perfect guard grindstone to skip it

>>713919821
Dlc legion arms are genuinely busted as hell and in NG+ you can get a P-Organ upgrade to make your legion bar fill constantly
I found the mine placer really useful too

>>713912025
Kek

>>713903621
pretty sure acid makes it easier to break weapons. at least thats what the description implies.

>>713919703
Depends on the L2 ability, generally unga bungaing with charged heavies or jump attacks is among your most optimal ways of saying "fuck you, game, I'm out of patience." They're all various ways of getting to the same place, which is that the best way to fight bosses in ER is to ignore their movesets and DPS check them to death with stance breaks.

>>713919914
But then I can't use electric blitz...

>>713919864
Actually it is, puzzles dont make a level instantly better, specially in combat oriented games

>>713919821
i did full Advance and flamberge and fulminator carried me

>>713920348
It's not just the puzzles. The entire game is designed better

>>713897040 (OP)
This game is a complete bore. I have been played it for the last couple of days and man, I feel like I play on autopilot. I am not invested by anything nor immersed in it. The gameplay is a chore and the almost complete lack of ambient music makes the whole experience boring as shit.
I'll force myself to finish it and perhaps it will finally get better, but for now it feels like an absolute boring experience

>>713920008
I still think you need to learn the moveset to be able to stand next to the boss and not get mopped. Charging heavies takes a while especially for the "anything heavier than a straightsword is too slow" crowd. I do agree about jump attacks though. I avoid using them unless I needed to jump in the first place, otherwise every run is the same.
I'd like to think it's thousands of hours in the previous games that let me play with a greatsword the whole time, giving me an intuitive feel for the flow of combat. At least compared to the jump-attack-spam strategy.
That and quadrupling down on pierce+heavy attack+axe talisman+spear talisman+counter attack modifier to do big chunks of damage on appropriate openings. I did hit 60 vigor ASAP though.

>>713921267
>That and quadrupling down on pierce+heavy attack+axe talisman+spear talisman+counter attack modifier to do big chunks of damage
Get with the times, old man. Bleed-infused greatswords will proc bleed every 3 swings. Throw everything into ARC. Elden Ring is a status effect game.

>>713920690
Where are you in it?
I found the atmosphere and hotel records very nice

Krat Hotel has the best hub music in the entire genre.

>>713897040 (OP)
Seemed pretty mid to me. Also, I can't really feel like a badass while playing some twink faggot.

>>713921479
That's what the great stars build was for. Wild-strikes and built-in heal+bleed was very fun. Add bleed resin if the boss is actually dangerous.
I'm satisfied having gone through the game without having int or arcane. I had enough faith for bestial regeneration or whatever it was called. Rest of the blue bar was for whatever AoW I swapped in on the claymore (most were worse than a fully charged r2 anyway).

I can only pick Lies of P, Wukong or Khazan, which one should I get bros

>>713921846
The first version is definitely the best. Dreary but mystic. I always stick around for a sec. I don't even play the records because i find them a little too upbeat or too ''sad''.

>>713920209
There's normal consumables for that after the Perfect Grindstone runs out.

I haven't played in months and I'm still at these 3 rabbit assholes, again.
Any tips?

>>713898262
>You can space and position
lmao enemies have the most absurd tracking and range, spacing and positioning requires an insane amount of enemy manipulation (which usually comes after hours of trial and error)
Yeah you can play hit and run, but you can do that in every Souls game. It's hardly the most efficient way

>>713922770
You can backstab them.
Dodging forwards through their attacks like in Bloodborne, instead of being the parry king, is how you best do backstab fishing
Break the big guy's buster sword.

>>713922770
Put on a less gay outfit

>>713922770
The simultaneous fight? Only one of them deigns to fight you at a time really, the one that uses their weapon coating, just burn all your fable charges on focusing them down one at a time.

>>713922770
Big guy isn't as aggressive when a sibling is around. Let a sibling get in for an attack while big guy is further away, then unleash the pain with elemental grind and backstabs. Their health is really low. I had little difficulty dealing with them actually once you bait an attack. Solo big guy was the hardest part for me.

>>713898687
>Gap closers are determined by the handle
yeah, and in fact 90% of handles are useless
The only good ones are those with a good balance between speed and range, like the spear in the base game

Jesus everything feels so sluggish. My reflexes too.
>>713922873
I do remember taking the free backstabs. Breaking the sword before dying however, I've only managed once.
>>713922875
It's that or the wet shirt.
>>713922915
I should show up with full fable charges each time?

>>713923307
Oh this is the big guy forward fight, in that case really just not getting pancaked by the big guy is the big concern. He's always going to yell before he rushes at you when his siblings are on the field so just prepare to parry his big stupid swings and whittle down the siblings who do barely any damage.

Lies of P fans acting like they can compete with the king of souls From is always funny, lil bro thinks hes on the team.

>>713909732
i agree with the sentiment but you're exaggerating. You can steamroll a lot of fights even by just playing the game mostly blind.
But it's true that there's no "middle ground". you either bash your head against the wall until you can no hit fist only the boss, or you just bully him to a pulp without learning anything.
It never feels satisfying or right

>>713924095
On average, LoP bosses are at least 3 steps ahead of FROM's recent output

>>713909732
ER went overboard with the "random wacko timings" to catch you offguard. Cheesed everything. The final boos I used a summon that I kept healing until it beat Radoon for me. All blue estus w000t

>>713924095
explain why From's games cant have a quest and dialogue tracker

Well that was bad. I think I only got 2 perfect guards in before dying. Took out the little one, but my weapon was broken and I was out of the healing thing.

>>713924274
LOL okay bro, LoP has only 3 good bosses, Arlecchino, Nameless puppet, Laxasia. Rest are way too easy. Romeo was way way way too easy considering how cool his design was. Elden ring alone has at least 15 better bosses then that top 3, including erdtree wouldnt even be fair.
>>713924465
Immersion which LOP fails at with ui indicators etc making it more gamey.

>>713924837
>then that top 3
>then
Point discarded, esl
>shit quest design is for immersion!!
Lmao

>>713924734
Hows your P-organ upgrades? It's crazy that your weapon breaks that fast. Either you're simply being way too passive or you're unupgraded.

Honestly my problem with the UI is that it's just not stylized enough, especially the HUD with the healthbars and such. They look so boring

Should you buy the quartz from the robo butler

>>713925060
I don't remember what I was doing at all. I don't know if this image is going to tell you anything.
I made it to the big guy this time, but ran out of heals way before (managed to heal three times once "empty").

>>713925453
Well yeah. Why would you ever not take a quartz?

>>713925501
They were expensive

>>713908136
>No jumping
And that's a good thing. Do people not realize how much jumping trivialized the combat in ER?
Also, you neglected to mention ER's laundry list of faults.

>>713897040 (OP)
Gotta say, this game got infinitely more tolerable once I stopped hogging my fable and just started blocking attacks instead of going for parries.

>>713897040 (OP)
Game is shit and boring. Same "muh bosses xD" as Khazan.
Sure it's alot of easier to copy DS3 than DS1.

>>713897040 (OP)
No, worst part of this game is the wind ups and the unclear visuals of when to parry. You're more learning the timing rather than the visuals, which means you'll die quite a bit for that sake

I started playing this during the sale after finishing Khazan and Stellar Blade. I understand this is going more for BB/DS than Sekiro, but Jesus, the constant delayed attacks and wind-up baits are excessive. I like the weapon system, sort of, but so far there hasn't been a single memorable or fun bossfight.

I still need to finish to the game to properly rate it, but so far my rating of the Korean parryslop/soulslop clones is Khazan >>>>> Stellar Blade > Lies of P. Granted, maybe this isn't so fair a rating since Khazan and SB are going more for a Sekiro-like (+Nioh in case of Khazan), while LoP is going for BB.

>>713925832
>Khazan
>Sekiro-like
kek fucking retard
It can't be a Sekiro like with a stamina bar

>>713925832
Khazan is good to read and to react. If you are not a total retard you can do many boss fights in the first two tries while Lies of P feels weird and non fluid.

>>713925897
>you can do many boss fights in the first two tries
So it's casual shit, got you. Will skip it

>>713925832
What a retarded take. Khazan centers the gameplay completely around parrying and perfect dodges, which mimicks Sekiro. More traditional soulslikes instead can have parry as an option (like LoP), but they focus more on gaining space, baiting attacks and looking for opportunities.

>>713924837
>Mohg
>Radagon (Ruined by Edlen Beast)
>Rellana

Elden Ring has 3 good boss fights. None of which is as good as Arlecchino. Lies of P's bosses are generally better by virtue of its gameplay being more in-depth/engaging.
After I beat Radahn in SotE, I specifically remember thinking "Man, when's the Lies of P DLC?" because going back to Elden Ring's gameplay just felt so primitive.

As someone who's been playing Souls games since 2009 when Demon's Souls day 1, I didn't think "FromDrones" was a thing, because in truth, Souls-clones were simply worse, until LoP released.
Their bizarre loyalty to Miyazaki and inability to admit LoP's simply superior in many aspects shows that.

>>713926042
You can easily just use blocks in Khazan. Try playing the fucking game
Retards who are exactly as stupid as you always call LoP Sekiro-like too
Also, good job proving your IQ by responding to the wrong post

>>713925746
That's what the genre boils down to right now since they focus more on difficulty than fun. If you could just react and parry you would first time every boss by being good as you can do in most sekiro bosses. But soulstrannies only care about wasting their time and gamer ego

>>713925465
>fruit tree upgrade
Why anon
First phase has no bad upgrades but you should really pick up the additional pulse cell, same in second phase. I'd even say you should get those two at the cost of one of the phase 4 upgrades with respec at the saintess statue
I don't know why you're losing weapon durability that fast, probably too much blocking and/or the decay from the youngest member. If it's the decay you can slot the cure for it in the "hold interact" slot, whatever that is on keyboard - you don't need to wait for the bag to appear on the screen, you can just hold the interact and input the slot and it will work instantly. Maybe get one or two of the weapon durability recovery speed notes during your respec if you don't have that already

>>713926105
I wasn't calling LoP a Sekiro-like, you fucking ape. Read the original post, I even said maybe I was being unfair to LoP since SB and Khazan are going for other type of gameplay.

And no, you literally cannot win Khazan unless you learn to perfect parry or dodge, as blocking hits destroys your stamina. Maybe play the game first, retard.

>>713897040 (OP)
Desperate gookshill post. This is a japanese board and we do not play korean games.

>>713926219
>I wasn't calling LoP a Sekiro-like
I know, I told you that people who call it that are just as fucking stupid as you for saying the same thing about Khazan
Thanks for confirming that you cannot, in fact, even read a simple 4chan post. You proved that Khazan is not Sekiro-like in any way. No more (you)s

>>713926080
Arlechinno is just Malenia with break instead of rot and gay Radhan's combo finishes. He doesnt do anything Elden ring bosses dont do.

>>713926290
Arlecchino is Malenia but he doesn't spam Waterfowl dance at random which automatically makes him 100x more fair

>>713926276
Absolute retard. Yes buddy, sure, it's not the parrying/deflect gameplay that defines Sekiro, no, it's the absence of a Stamina bar. What a sad moron.

>>713926213
>>713926213
I thought I needed 2 in each cluster for some reason. Does re-spec cost me quartz?
The weapon breaking isn't the end of the world, I can usually fix it so long as the other two are behaving. I got further this try, big guy had 1/3 hp left as I regained my pulse cell on the hit that killed me.

just started the dlc with pic related after 2 years of playing the game and Markiona destroyed my ass, should i have a better one? i dont remember shit about the game

>>713926425
Lies of P isn't like Elden Ring. If you're getting bodied by a boss, it's because you don't know the boss, not because your weapon/build is totally hard countered by the boss.

>>713926541
rent free

is there a boss locked behind certain path or choices like nameless puppet? i dont want it to happen AGAIN

>>713926425
just summon the spectre

>>713926754
One optional boss you only get by doing the classic jumping off an elevator early

>>713926754
Not in the DLC

How quickly do you get the gunlance in the dlc?

Love how the thread turned into dev's literal first game versus million dollar company's biggest project using assets from every game they made prior. Fromniggers need to use the rope.

>>713926797
what
who?

>>713926851
Remember that elevator where Gemini goes "what was that noise"?
That wasn't the ancient guardian guy who was screaming, since he was in an egg at the time

>>713926809
>>713926851
Optional Green Monster fight in the DLC ergo mines you access by hopping onto a ledge halfway through an elevator descent

>>713926850
It happens every single time

>small practically indie tier dev makes something
>OH YEAH ITS GARBAGE COMPARED ER/SOULS/SEKIRO

Son of a bitch.

>>713926417
>I thought I needed 2 in each cluster for some reason
You need at least 2 to unlock the next, but you can get more. Phase 3 fruit tree is still the worst choice in that section since you can just buy the fertilizer from Polendina if you need to farm it and unless you're buying a lot of wishcube stones there's no need for that in the first place
>Does re-spec cost me quartz?
No, gold fruit. It increases with each subsequent use but it starts out very cheap and the cost increase is also very slow. I used it 5 or so times and it only costs me 10 fruit to do it again

>>713927056
well thats true for every soulslike except lop

>>713908136
Elden Ring has a mediocre base game. I shit finished Shadow of the Turdtree and fucking hell SOMEHOW it was even worse, actual dogshit. I only bothered because a friend gifted it to me, hated it. Lies of P unironically blows Elden Ring out of the fucking water. From have grown lazy and it shows with them pumping out the sewage that is Nightreign.

>>713927072
use shot puts

>>713927210
I meant to say just finished. Apologies, it was so fucking shit that I couldn't finish my sentence properly.

>>713926970
>Immediately opens with a grab
god i love cheat engine. The great equalizer.

WHY CAN'T I POST

>>713897040 (OP)
It's so much better than BB. There are only two things BB is better at, story and art. The story isn't some kind of nonsense about lies or existentialism. It's one of the rare times that Fromsoftware deals with the real world. It's ‘lovecraftian’ but with a critical view and the art style is really good. But that's about it, the gameplay in BB is poorly utilized. The game has the most bullshit netplay in the series and the PVE never proves challenging enough. There is something good about the gameplay, it's just that the game is short. But it lacks real NG+ and the endgame is shallow as fuck

>>713927240
Don't want to :<
That fucker with the grapple hook is really annoying.

Anyone have any idea how to make the game look sharper and better without straight up downsampling from 4k, I don't even use DLSS and the game still looks funky and blurry at times.

>>713928113
You forgot chalice dungeons

>>713928113
I still rate BB in the top 3 soulslikes even though it's easy. It just feels really good. I don't need soulslikes to be masochistic ballbuster hard to have fun.

>>713928775
Bullshit

Everytime there is a new soulslike it's supposed to be better than Fromsofware games and everytime I take the bait and end up disappointed.
Lies of P is a big meh game. It's probably the most polished non-Fromsoft soulslike but it's still mid.

>>713897040 (OP)
UE5 slop. deflecting is impossible when it's perma dropping frames

>>713930478
No it isn't. Skill issue.

if elden ring played like lies of P and had better armor to choose from, it would be my greatest all time forever.

>>713914379
What's the funny is that this is exactly why the other anon is right.
Because here's the reality :
>Guy swings cane horizontally
>Anon sees this and assumes he can duck it
>Tries and get shit on
Then you also get
>Guy seep/low attack/ground shake
>Anon sees this and assumes he can jump it
>tries and get shit on

Jumping and ducking are so inconsistent (as it's entirely hitbox based), that the only way to be sure is to try and get hit OR to have read or watch someone else do it.

>>713930478
I drop zero frames on my 1060, skill issue on your end

>>713930478
>UE5
Its UE4 you dumb retard

Is Khazan good outside of the boss fights?

>>713931739
Yes

Is there any flavor text in the main game after beating the DLC?. I'd imagine at least Arlechinno would comment something when you find him in the Alchemist island

>>713932028
There is a surprising amount of stuff that changes. I forget what the whole list is, you can google it, but basically they're not kidding when they say you should do the whole thing immediately when you get access to it instead of waiting until the postgame.

>>713932028
Arlecchino has extra dialogue when wearing Lea's clothing
There's some new dialogue in the ergo flashbacks on the beach
Antonia's letter has some new text

I think that's all

>>713932127
>>713932156
>I'm going to have to play NG+4

Arlecchino was literally the most kino boss fight, maybe only matched with Sword Saint Isshin. Holy fuck it absolutely crushes anything in Elden Ring even with his goofy ass voice.

>>713932395
they did a good job distorting his voice at the right word to instantly change his joker tier comedy to something actually terrifying

>>713932028
>Antonia and Medoro's letters get a bonus page (you don't have to do the DLC before picking those up, at least Medoro's diary)
>Arlecchino has extra dialogue if you wear Lea's clothes
>Lea's dialogue on the beach changes
>You can give the broken puppet DLC emotes (but most if not all of them just repeat dialogue from base game since they're similar emotions)
>Some new emote interactions, I know Eugenie reacts if you prostrate before her and Fox and Cat react at the factory if you do the Stalker's salute with Monad sword, probably more that I'm forgetting
I think that's it

i dont remember anything

>>713933135
Soulslikes are like bicycles, you never really forget.

>>713932492
>Geppetto is Literally Gendo
Why is this archetype so eternally popular?

>>713932492
>Romeo literally cannot stop suffering ever
The Julietta game is going to be the most kino revenge tory ever told

>>713934147
Next game is going to be Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz somehow

>>713934486
could be multi protag with possible switching

I HATE GREEN MONSTER OF THE SWAMP
I HATE GREEN MONSTER OF THE SWAMP
I HATE GREEN MONSTER OF THE SWAMP
I HATE GREEN MONSTER OF THE SWAMP

>>713935256
He's really not bad at all.

>>713935457
FUCK DECAY
FUCK THESE TIMINGS
FUCK EVERYTHING
AAIIEEEEEEEEEE

actually that's sekiro and it's not close

>>713936374
Lies of P feels like Sekiro if your prosthetics and items were actually worth a damn instead of being mostly gimmick items that are each intended only to be used on like 1 enemy total.

>>713936846
Bullshit, you have
>zap hand
>flame hand a little
>shield hand (the best one and it's not even close)
And the rest are useless dogshit.

>>713936961
shotgun hand>>>

>>713936961
>Puppet string is useless dogshit
Spoken like someone who used all of them

>>713936961
Status effects in Lies of P are so strong those two arms by themselves are more useful than the entire armory you acquire in Sekiro combined.

lies of p is probably the best nonfrom "soulslike" but it doesnt hold a candle to something like elden ring. get real. the environments alone wash anything in krat

>>713897240
No

>>713937089
Oh yeah I love using a hand for a gapcloser I could just use fable for, and get damage besides.

>>713937136
Firecrackers literally turns off Sekiro as a game. Cumbrella is likke a slightly less powerful version of aegis. flame hand in Sekiro is the same as flame hand in Lies of P.

>>713935192
Maybe Dorothy is also J

>>713937494
You do realize people use puppet string for the attack that staggers everything and not the gap closing, right? Gap closing is just a bonus

>>713937638
Oh shit really? They just added in a stagger everything button? That's hilarious. Then replace the flame hand with that, because the flame hand is barely useful

>>713937561
I feel like people only get super optimized usage of firecrackers on their 2nd-3rd runs. Same with most of the other tools. Like, you can use firecrackers to keep Monke in a perma-stunlocked state and he never gets to attack once, but that's only after you also pop a sugar and use confetti and use the +talismans buff. Bosses tend to have too much HP and too many health bars to really exploit any of the shinobi tools individually, they usually require combo'ing together. That's cool for the 5% of players who want to record showboating webms, but it also means they don't have a big presence in the "normal" gameplay loop people experience on NG or even NG+. All of the tools in Lies of P need no introduction. If you've played the game, you already know exactly what they're good at, and what they're useful for. Furthermore, Lies of P tools are universally designed to be useful everywhere, meanwhile, a lot of the Sekiro tools are undeniably made to be the kryptonite of literally just one or two enemies in the entire game.

>>713936961
Gun hand is roll -> shoot twice -> free 5k damage during what would otherwise be you doing nothing

>>713938320
Anon firecrackers are overpowered, period. Any of the better shinobi tools can carry you through most fights, but firecrackers break the game. You swing firecrackers, you get a free hit and free stagger damage.

>>713938471
Yeah, and after you burn through all 10 casts of your firecrackers, you've blown through maybe half of the boss's HP bar. There's two more. You're still going to die unless you know how to do the PINGPINGPING game. Really and totally evaporating a boss with the firecrackers is tech, not cheese.

>>713938583
Anon you literally get an item to give you more firecracker casts, and firecracker augments your damage for a bit.
>there's two more
Every fight is not Isshin.

why the fuck does this piece of shit keep compiling every startup? it keeps pushing my 9800X3D up to 95 Celsius every time

>>713939035
>9800X3D

this game never really gets tired of enemy ambushes and some jobber on the roof throwing shit at you huh. I knew a fucking monkey was gonna jump through that window.

>>713939213
I think whoever was handling enemy placement played Nioh 2 just before doing his job

>>713939213
>item near a ledge or corner
>immediately know to check for gunners and rolling boulders
lol

>>713897040 (OP)
DS3 bad the best, smoothest-feeling combat imhopinion

>>713940179
Way too rollspammy. The ancestor of all ER's problems.

It did soulslike better than Dark Souls

>>713920690
>I have been played it for the last couple of days and man, I feel like I play on autopilot. I am not invested by anything nor immersed in it.
Interesting. How so?
Tbh I loved the vibes, worldbuilding, and characters, but the actual nitty-gritty main story I wasn't too invested in, so I can kind of get what you mean

Fromsoft soulslikes tend to be low quality copy cats all together. Even CoD looks less embarrassing to play than spam roll to win.

>>713940179
>roll spam
>stamina is a joke
>the beginning of 20 hit combo bosses
No. For me das cpmbat peaked at das2 dlc bosses. Still had to manage your stamina so rolling was an investment and the dlc bosses had enough move variety, damage, and occasional hitbox bullshit to pose a threat. The perfect balance. Das3 was just BB lite: roll edition.

>>713934147
who's Julietta

>>713897040 (OP)
Not after the devs bent the knee to people that don't even like video games by adding in an easy mode.

>>713900183
This but for both of them it's :D

>>713934486
>Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz somehow
I'm excited, since there's a lot to work with
I'm assuming teleportation will be a big thing, with the Ruby Slippers and all, but I can imagine a mechanic where you can swap weapons/powers based on your companion (Cowardly Lion for attack, Tin Man for defence, etc.)
More curious how they will tie Lies of P into it

>>713944821
>More curious how they will tie Lies of P into it
Probably very little. We'll probably see a name drop or something at the end to connect it like we did with P but overall I'm guessing it'll be a separate story.

>>713944279
Uhh just don't play on easy 4head?

>>713944279
Its fine, they copyaste malenia so you can keep diying a lot

>>713922274
I think if you like the boss fights mainly, then Wukong
If you like Nioh more than most Souls games, then Khazan
If you really like everything about FromSoft Souls games, the level design, the NPCs, the level up system, the combat, everything, like you'd rather play a new FromSoft game than anything actually new or different, then get Lies of P

>>713945919
>they copyaste malenia
Arlecchino is infinitely more manageable than Malenia though

Is there a way to hide the hud with a button instead of having to go into the fucking settings every single time

Doing what Batman should have done years ago

>Just fought a big monster, the guy with the wheel in the back
>Get to stagger-ready state, do charged attack fucking twice while the hp bar is glowing white
>Both hits connect
>Don't get stagger
Am I missing something

Dark Souls 2 - "Enemy tracking is terrible!"
Lies of P - "Enemy tracking is peak!"

Fuck off

>>713947647
His bar was glowing white?
Should have worked - maybe it was t full charged? Dunno

>>713940179
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS GAMEPLAY FIREEEEEEEEEEEEEE FRFR

Diff 5 Arlecchino is destroying my ass man, i actually had to swap to a 70+% guard damage reduction weapon because you take a shitload of chipdamage in the first phase alone

>>713948329
diff 5 is meant to be beaten at like ng+3

>>713948329
I struggled for a while with Diff 5 Nameless Puppet but got him
I beat Diff 4 Arlecchino but am scared to even try 5 - I know it'll make my ass into grass

>>713947810
LoP has minimal tracking and the hitboxes are fucking tight on top of that.

>>713948545
Pretty sure i saw a zombie doing an arc mid jump

>>713948545
b8

Let's be honest guys

if she had huge tits this game would have been a solid 10/10

>>713948441
i've beaten them all except for arlecchin but found laxasia, simon, overseer and anguished guardian harder than nameless puppet

>>713948439
i'm at the start of ng+2 for the phase 7 p-organ upgrades, getting all the +2 armor would help but i can't be assed to do a complete third playthrough just for a badge

>>713949019
She is the best doll wife in vidya unlike the trannnies at Fromsoft.

>>713949019
there's a mod for that

Why I can't fight against the cocodrile again?

Its my favorite boss

I hate how clunky the legion arms are, you're just stuck there posing for a full second before and after the actual animation

I hate fighting Romeo because for some reason everything he does hits behind him
So much for muh placement and positioning

>>713947379
>Gunblade
Based. Weapon is so fun to use.
Happy I waited until the DLC dropped before I started my second playthrough.
I'm going to shoot every one of those puppet fucks.

>>713949418
>You can't even change pandemonium's firing mode without wasting ammo to go into it

>>713949737
I dunno I just kind of dodged forward and to the side as if I was playing Bloodborne and he couldn't touch me. Fuck parrying.

>>713944905
Guess it depends if they want to try making it into a series.
Lies of P having a loose opening at the end made sense, since who knows if the game would've sold enough to justify a sequel. With a second game though they have to be confident enough to plan ahead for a third installment, which also means expanding the universe and trying to tie everything together more.
tldr: I'm guessing a good Lies of P tie-in, but it's probably going to be shoved in for the sake of a larger story

What is it about fromsoft that makes P fans so irritably upset? Even outside/v/ you see puppetfags deny the very heavy inspiration from bloodborne present all over P.
Is it just fujoshits?

>>713950779
damn bro the voices in your head sound wild

There are so many unreactable bullshit dedicated to chip you and animations that have the exact same startup animations

>>713950139
How do you even deal with his stupid fire rush combo
My best bet has been trying to run away for a good chunk of it but he always ends up getting close enough

>>713950779
LIES OF P HAS TO BE BETTER THAN BLOODBORNE AND DARK SOULS AND SEKIRO AND ELDEN RING OR ELSE I'LL DILATE

>>713951190
Remember the cardinal rule of Souls games, if you can't run away then dodge into it.

>>713951190
That's pretty much the only thing you have to parry king out. Everything else you can Bloodborne your way through. I wouldn't bother trying to break his weapon, it's got 9999 HP and you'll have just posture broken him to death before it happens.
The key to Lies of P is doing what feels natural. The game rewards you following your instincts. If an attack looks really hard to parry but you see an opening, dodge it. Even if you miss the perfect parry and block, you can recover the chip damage by attacking back. Blocking works, use your defense. Do what feels natural.

>>713951318
>>713950779
>>713950912
>>713950913
>>713951350
Lies of P is the best souls ever made.

>>713951443
Why?

>>713951480
For I must die for their sins, and my ban will be my deliverance.

>>713951350
It's absolutely not a move you're supposed to "just dodge" considering he just keeps floating to your ass after the second lunge

>>713951438
>The key to Lies of P is doing what feels natural. The game rewards you following your instincts
Absolutely horrid suggestion, my basic instinct is to parry everything

>>713951771
Well then I hope you've got good reflexes.

Did we ever find out what this island is? Was it something in the DLC that I missed? I don't recognize the structure at all

>>713951809

>almost entire thread is ER vs. LoP
>mfw played and enjoyed both (and Khazan, and AI Limit, and Lords of the Fallen, etc.)
Now if you'll excuse me dear anons I got some more Nightreign to play

Anyone in the dlc trade boss souls or should I just quickly go back to main story to trade in the souls? Can’t remember how long it takes to get the vendor back.

>>713950779
It happened with Code Vein but look how that turned out.

>>713951629
What the FUCK was Geppetto's fucking problem?

>>713951443
Based

>>713897040 (OP)
its weird because you think " hey im playing a tiny twink puppet, i better dance and dodge around" but because everything reheals over time its better to

but instead your best methods are
> block and attack, block and attack
> max vig and facetank
> calmy walk backwards, use your arm attacks, and any number of semi broken lunge R2s

>>713952059
His favorite son is a rude sack of shit that goes around making people cry

>>713950779
>fromfags come into lies of p thread
>shit on a game they havent played
>pfags discuss what they like in their game over fromsoft
>AHAHAHA WHY ARE PFAFS SO OBSESSED
What is the name if this phenomenon

>>713952059
Basically that one comic
>Not now son
>Not now son
>Not now son
>Son is dead, million must die

>>713952176
Pfags shit up From threads all the time. Stop playing victim.

>>713897040 (OP)
Is this really what people wanted out of souls games the whole time? Linear hack and slashes with lots of boss memorization?

>>713926425

>>713951840
I forget where that screenshot is, but the DLC has a lighthouse in it.

Early game fable regen feels slow, does it ever get better without consumable

>>713952176
It doesn't help that these LoP OPs always invite that type of behavior in their posts all the time.

>>713897040 (OP)
It's shittier than dark souls 2, come on.

>>713952667
Yee
Iirc there's an anulet that recharges some fable when doing a perfect parry
Plus upgrades that improve fable gain rate

>>713952176
Pgooks always involve Fromsoft and have created alot of anti From discord threads over the last 2 years.

>>713951986
I liked Code Vein...

How's AI limit

>>713954443
Tranime garbage.

>>713954443
Very very good, just on the easy side.

>>713952630
It's viewed from the top of the arche abby right outside of Simon Manus boss room. I don't think it's the lighthouse though because the surrounding terrain is completely different. I also don't see any of the shipwrecks anywhere, nor the forest leading up to the rose estate

There are really people who see an army of killer robots and pick a dinky little sword to fight with instead of the biggest smashing club they can find...

>>713955453
For me, it's the humble umbrella

>>713954469
This

I forgot the backstory of this game. How did Carlo get killed again, and how did Papa turn him into a puppet if the madman book says you have to harvest the ergo before death?

>>713951438
>That's pretty much the only thing you have to parry king out.
I fucking hate these go memorize the precise timing of this 10 second long combo kind of things
If I wanted gameplay like this I would just go play a rhythm game

>>713956136
Romeo is just one of the worse boss fights in the game, just bear with it. Having a braindead first phase to pad it out also doesn't help.

>>713951190
Just dodge, he is so fucking easy lol.

>>713897040 (OP)
parryslop

>>713956661
Post a webm of you dodging his entire barrage sequence right now

>>713897240
Nioh is about performing art on the enemies bodies, and it's mission based it's kinda far from a traditional Souls

>>713897040 (OP)
literally not this game has the clunkiest, shittiest tech and animations in the genre outside of the first lords of the fallen

even now, the game still has the awful weird frame stutter animation spazz when performing a roll, devs are incompetant copycats

Bloodborne is night and day the most fluid and complex of all their games player input/tech wise

>>713898441
My guy the first boss in the DLC which some retards still complain about it completely trivialize by dodging towards his left or right side except one move where you literally just run away. He's not at all unique

I still don't get why some people are just playing instruments when murderbots are patrolling the streets but the average Kratian plays well so I can't complain

>>713899986
Nioh but worse but still actually good

>>713899628
Yea not every game needs to be non-linear. Linearity is not something bad, its just the easier design choice.

So when you have a large opening, are you supposed to keep doing quick attacks or charged ones over and over

>>713956756
I just beat him on new game so it's too late, but you can even knock him out of the entire fire attack combo with charged r2 when he's preparing to do the attack lol. He's the easiest boss in the base game imo.

>>713897240
I really like lies of p but its not as good as nioh.

Help me out, how the fuck do you actually get the treasure? I'm there but can't find it, unless you didn't need the stupid cryptic vessel and I did pick it up when I started the game

>>713957840
Depends on the weapon but charged for posture breaks. Spamming charged attacks builds posture almost as fast as landing parries.

>>713959183
Nevermind, you need to use a gesture

>>713912154
fujos...

>>713954443
Great level design, fun combat due the lack of stamina, bit too easy

>>713897040 (OP)
>difficulty modes
nah they ruined it. it's garbage now

>Talk to Gepetto
>He says the station has new monsters now
>Go to the station
>Not a single new monster
What's going on Gepetto, you got jealous of my nose and want yours? Where's the fucking new content

Man, when will I find a long range weapon with quick attacks? I've reached the arcade and every damn weapon is either a two incher or a monster sized thingy, I just want a proper stabby spear or a proper sized rapier

So is there ever a real reason to kill every enemy you see like interesting drops because after a while it feels like it's better to run past some of the more annoying faggots

>>713961838
every elite drops something useful, trash can be ignored

Now the real question
Long hair or short

>>713961838
Not the fodder, although it's probably unwise to run through an area before walking through it
If you're just doing a boss runback you probably just want to ignore side mobs

>>713961592
I think the fastest spear is the acid one from Chapter 4, but it's advance handle. You'll get another spear in the swamp and a halberd near the end of the game in chapter 10. DLC has a rocket spear. Every other spear you should already have
>rapier
Your only options are the starting one, umbrella and tyrant knife's handle, it has a rapier moveset, just put a spear or the winter rapier blade on it
>long range weapon with quick attacks
DLC bow

>>713964112
>I think the fastest spear is the acid one
That one is absolutely not a spear but called one, it's so damn short
P doesn't even bother using both his hands on it

>>713964112
Longspear handle + Tyrant murderer blade is insanely fast.

im getting tired with how every such action game and souls clone is linear. people cant even make ds2-style game worlds anymore, let alone ds1-style
i wish people at least made it something neat like Sekiro. I loved the path into the ashina castle as a central location, where it opened up in 3 directions and you could do them in the order you wanted, two of which before you even climb up the castle if you really want. Or Blasphemous for example, where even though its an "A to B, A to C then A to D" scenario in both of its halves, theres cool stuff going for it and sometimes decent interconnection

I remember being pissed off with DS3's map because of pic related, and then it seems like future games outright got even more railroaded with even less feeling of good branching paths. When are we ever gonna get more maps like Dark Souls 1 and Hollow Knight for this style of action-adventure game? (bar silksong*) (*: game doesnt exist)

>>713961592
Long reach you mean?

City Longspear Handle with Tyrant Murderer's blade is decent for mid.
The Puppet Ripper also give you absolutely insane cheeseable reach for groups.

Is there any point in using elemental grindstones if the durability grindstone is just straight up better with the P-organ abilities that increase damage dealt when at full sharpness/durability? That one is pretty much all I use. The elemental ones feel weaker by comparison, even when using a direct weakness to an enemy type

>>713967017
idk i've been using elemental grindstones all of my no weapon upgrades playthrough and they doubled my damage

>>713897040 (OP)
It kind of is. I emulated and beat the entirety of Bloodborne, including the DLC and a few dungeons, after looking forward to playing it for about 10 years. It left me slightly disappointed, maybe because everyone overhyped the game to hell, but despite beautiful levels and musuc, it didn't have that much to offer as a game. Then I played LoP without expecting much and had way more fun with it.

>>713967017
I never tried that. Smart.

Markiona is easier than the Crocodile

>>713922770
+damage after perfect parry talisman is bait

>>713967880
Croc isn't that hard to dodge, which is what you should be doing instead of perfect guarding unless you want to get shoved into a corner while looking at a throat for the rest of the fight.

>>713971276
What was my mistake then, I was perfect guarding all of it

>>713918067
I beat him with a STR charged attack build wdym

Don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again

>do dlc
>only have 10 points of stamina
>each non-perfect parry takes 1/3 or more of my total stamina
>motivity build so each swing takes 1/4
>its mostly fine but get stuck on a boss fight (betrayer dude w umbrella) cuz constantly stance broken
>sigh
>respec
>firsf try it
pretty niggerish design 2bdesu

>>713976017
Were you doing a challenge run or something?

>>713976892
no it just wasnt an issue in the base game or for other fights in the dlc

The claws are pure fucking sexo

>>713973125
Probably try to perfect guard everything, I saw him and thought "god damn it, another Pontiff Sulyvahn crocodile, why do they keep bringing these back??" My brain went into DS3 rollslop mode and I beat him in 2 tries. Sometimes you really do just want to mash roll and only parry the free gimme attacks.

>>713897040 (OP)
Fables with a dark souls skin suit

>>713928896
Difficulty is not the problem. It's how boring the game is. Pre-Vicar is mediocre, post-Vicar is good and DLC is what the game should have been from the start

>>713973125
I dunno maybe you should have just done dodging it's much easier and honestly gives bigger openings

>>713955946
We don't know exactly how Carlo dies. The DLC hints someone tricked him into fighting the Guardian and he died before Leah could rescue him.

Geppeto doesn't actually understand how Puppets work. Ergo is better before death but it's fine if it's after as long as not too much time has passed.

Basically he just put Carlos ergo into the Porgan and then converted the body into a puppet.

>>713897040 (OP)
So whats your favorite legion arm and why is it flamberge, anons? I mean you cant beat incinerating everything in your path, carcass, puppet, human, it doesnt matter. EVERYTHING burns

>>713944821
>>713944905
>>713934486
>>713934147
The TinMan wanted a Heart in the original, but since P already has one what he'll ask for is a way to revive either Romeo or Lea.

Paracelsus will agree if P helps Dorothy kill the Wizard who will be some heretical member of the order and/or something like Ozma's apprentice

>>713901743
Weapon breaking damage depends on the weapon you're using. When using Tyrants Dagger it took forever to break weapons as opposed to when I swap to Bone Cutting Saw. I never pegged down what exactly determines it but it's probably weapon damage or guard reduction %. And honestly it makes a huge difference.

>>713981128
I flip between the electric arm and the flamethrower by who I'm fighting

>enter lies of p thread
>its all er webms
I keep forgetting how utterly worthless this board is. Nothing but low IQ baits and the same tiresome spam.

The stalker you fight in the shipwreck was my favorite boss of the DLC. Gascoigne kino, and he really rewards using every tool in your kit
>Very breakable weapon and intuitive timings makes it rewarding to parry
>Several attacks that are backstab bait to encourage you to use more tactics than dumb parrysloppa
>Cool moveset that's fun to get beat up by that doesn't wear out it's welcome or be particle vomit that makes it impossible to see
>Phase 2 is a cool mixup but also isn't tantamount to having to learn an entirely different bossfight without a checkpoint

>Having a hard enough time beating crackhead the ripper without getting combo'd to death
>Turns into general grievous with blood magic aoes
what

>>713986773
Perfect block grindstone your way through his Malenia combo. Save yourself the headache

>>713986848
>Accidentally popped it early and ran out
>Parried most of it anyway
Seppuku postponed