>just kill live service games

Yes. Not my problem.

>>713901179 (OP)
he didnt say that

>>713901357
He didn't, but he should've

>>713901179 (OP)
Yes. And gatcha too plz

>>713901179 (OP)
fuck off thor

>>713901559
who is Thor? this fag is named Jason

>>713901538
Based fuck weebs who play that shit

>>713901179 (OP)
Based mold man

>>713901179 (OP)
Please stop spamming this faggot. You zoomers and your hero worship are the definition of niggercattle.

>>713901179 (OP)
Movie status?

>>713901751
+1

>>713901179 (OP)
Only a retard would support more direct EU regulation of private industries

>>713901406
This

>chest hair up to his neck

imagine how hairy his asshole is

>>713902042
EU is based for telling mutt big tech to eat shit.

>>713901179 (OP)
based

>>713901179 (OP)
please dont let ubisoft take kreaturekind away from me

>>713902042
YES! GOOD POST

>>713902640
The European Union is nothing but a slave to western capitalism and deserves to be erased from this very Earth alongside its american masters
The only reason you ever see EU fighting against tech megacorps is because the commission members themselves are profiting from it. They do not give a rats ass about making the world a better place, only about making their own wallets fatter.

>>713902593
It's so weird how he shaves it at the neck line but keeps the rest

>>713901179 (OP)
>just kill live service slop
Yes. Based

>>713901179 (OP)
Thank you>>713902042
>noooooo how DARE you prevent the corporation from fucking me over, I can only be happy once I own nothing !

>>713901179 (OP)
I think Ross is a pretty cool guy.

are there even 1 million people living in eu

>>713901406
Based.

>>713902042
It's a problem that only exists due to regulation. Without the potential pitfalls of IP law you would see more extensive post-mortem support and modification of games that people care about, since even fair use work that doesn't infringe on IP will end up in a grey area that can be targeted by the tools that websites give to companies.
So either copyright needs to be dramatically reduced in duration and scope (not happening due to legal cabals with a vested interest in keeping IP law draconian, these cabals outright have sway over the supreme court and have subverted the constitution to support this agenda), or regulation needs to ensure that companies are fulfilling the responsibilities that go alongside their privileges.

>>713903054
no but there are europeans

>>713902042
Anything that makes Americans seethe is fine by me.

>>713901179 (OP)
This "movement" would've been 100x more based if that was the actual throughline. Especially if he called for a fatwa on the ferret furfaggot.

>>713903243
Copyright law is largely defined by international trade agreements with the US
Additional regulation targeting specifically video games is unlikely as then you'd have to answer the question of "Why does this not apply to the rest of the software industry as well?", and once you start fucking with enterprise-grade software there'll be companies like Oracle and Microsoft putting their multi-billion dollar legal teams forward to pound your regulation into the dirt.

Bro what about The Crew bro we all miss it

>>713903054
There is 600k europeans and around 440 millions africans living in the EU

>>713902042
I'm not european, I want this regulation because it will take effect here too

>>713901179 (OP)
There are no live service or always online games worth archiving. They're all soulless slop made solely to bilk as much money from gormless whales as possible.

>>713902640
Jelly, Mohammed?

is there any reason a game should be live service apart from extracting as much money as possible?

>>713903243
wtf does IP and copyright law have to do with the decision to support servers after a studio shuts down?

>>713904331
i want my own offline private server of sea of thieves

>>713904383
>*gets enslaved by corporations*
>U JELLY MOHAMMED

>>713901179 (OP)
>just kill live service games

>>713904430
it's not about supporting servers (that costs money), it's about releasing the server binaries

Thor won bigly.
ross lost and sucked cock.

>>713904520
Cope Abdul.

I can't wait to see all you pathetic little faggots throw a tantrum when the petition fails. Total Game Death can't come soon enough.

>>713903441
>>713902640
TRVKE

>>713901179 (OP)
I want EU to kill live service games, they're just a way to trick people into spending more money than they would with a single purchase

>>713904614
im american and probably whiter than you pedro

>>713904383
>Leave the trillion dollar company alone

>>713901179 (OP)

The virgin PirateSoftware
>Relationship is some fuckbuddy he met via second life
>Furry
>Nepobaby, can't do shit on his own
>Fake deep voice because he sounds like a faggot irl
>Fans are ill informed morons who leave when they figure out how much of a lying bitch he is
>Get's called a roach, pisses his pants over it
>Unearned smuggness
>Everyone he interacts with thinks he's an asshole
>Coward bitch
>Corpo bootlicker
>Spent 8 years on an RPGMaker game, still nowhere near done
>Still somehow can't progress on it despite having the means to do so

The Chad Ross Scott
>Happily married to a woman who supports and loves him
>normal
>All his accomplishments are self made through sheer work and dedication
>Voice so iconic it became the defacto voice for Gordan Freeman
>Small but dedicated fanbase that's stuck with him for decades
>Get's called moldman in jest by his fans, shows he can take banter
>Humble and good hearted
>Everyone he speaks to has nothing but nice things to say about him
>Punches above his weight for things he believes in
>Hates corpos and stands up for consumer rights
>Has made countless high quality videos over the decades, plus the upcoming movie he has HAS TO MAKE!
>Still manages to put out kino despite his quest to save video games taking up so much time

Remember kids, don't be like Thor the faggot. Be like Ross the moldman and you'll live a happy and fullfilling life.

>>713904331
I can't think of a single good one, but it's more about the principle than any actual game. IF a good live service game arrives in the future, we'd want to preserve it. Like, who knows, maybe Limbus Company will redeem itself and improve its writing quality when it reaches like Canto 13 or something.
FF14fags would also like their garbage game to be preserved.

>>713904685
There are no whites in mutterica

>>713904651
He's so based.

https://youtu.be/xAVNxAVal1U
This is probably the most clear and concisely well-spoken video on SKG I've come across yet

I believe I'm fine with this.

>>713901179 (OP)
gaming as a whole would improve significantly
we would see RPGs, FPS with campaigns and god forbid RTS like Warcraft 3
granted first the market would oversaturated with safe stuff like Souls faggotry and ubisoft games, fatigue would kill them off

Mold>Mald

>>713902042
Without regulations you would literally be eating shit.
Every single everyday object you interact with on a daily basis is regulated, and thanks to those regulations, they're not utterly worthless garbage that breaks in a single day, but rather, they last you a lifetime if you're not a complete idiot.

You are truly the type of retard that would fight against having seat belts in cars.

>>713904707
Yea well Jason is out of mana, just look at his mana, what is he supposed to do for you?

petition success = the Death of all Vidya
Thor warned you.

>>713902042
>Ummm, a law that says you own the thing you bought is actually bad, mmkay?

>>713904927

>>713904927
>petition success = the Death of all Vidya
Ok, where the cons?

>>713904927
>>713904651
So which is it?

>>713904927
sounds good to me. adapt or die.

>>713904383
>you should be more like the country that has an even tighter grip on their corps and billionaires
that doesnt make any sense are you pro-business or not?

>>713901179 (OP)
The sooner we get to 800,000 the better- that seems to be the tipping point.

>>713901179 (OP)
that line where he just decided to not shave any further down fascinates me. What drives a man to do something like that?

>>713901179 (OP)
Yes?

>>713904707
Thor is a literal faggot

>>713902042
>be american
>live in a hellscape where you can't repair anything, where your tech is designed to fail in a few years forcing you to spend maybe thousands on a replacement
>the most influential rich people in the country are openly talking about how their dream is for you to be their literal serf worshiping them forever
>someone suggests that perhaps there should be regulations to directly protect the consumer from such brazen malice and manipulations
NYOOO YOU CAN'T REGULATE CORPORATIONS PEOPLE SHOULD JUST ORGANIZE TO REJECT THESE PRODUCTS

WAIT NO DON'T ORGANIZE LIKE THAT! YOU CAN ONLY DO IT THROUGH THE FREE MARKET BECAUSE I SAID SO

>>713904889
He can try not being Thor the faggot and be more like Mr. Mold. He should really consider that.

>>713902042
retarded mystery meat mutt go die for israel thanks

>NO YOU CAN'T JUST RELEASE SERVER BINARIES
one day they'll resurrect brink but have it hosted exclusively through private servers.

>>713904430
Because potentially being served with a cease and desist or a lawsuit discourages reverse-engineering, leaking or using leaked source code or drawing attention to projects that do any of those things.
Copyright also creates retards who think that everything should be locked down even when it makes no sense.

>>713905048
/v/ subscribes to whatever narrative upsets the most people.

>>713901179 (OP)
you say that lke it's a bad thing

>>713904879
>they last you a lifetime if you're not a complete idiot.
I wish, bro. I still see plenty of garbage stuff that is 100% designed to break or have to be replaced after a while. It's even more infuriating when those things had essentially unbreakable designs before but were made worse on purpose to limit their lifespan and increase mass consumption.

No live service game exist that is worth saving.

>>713901406
I kneel

>>713905196
gotta stop shaving somewhere.

or wax the entire body

>>713904430
Video games are software. Currently cracking copy-protected software within the EU is a complex legal issue that can be argued either way in a court of law depending on exactly where you are and the details of how and why you were doing it. Personal use is fine in many places, redistribution is not.
The goal here is to grant players access to games dependent on online services after official support for those online services ends, some of the solutions are as follows
>make a special exception for consumers to create their own servers
unfortunately this would require players to crack, modify and most likely redistribute copy-protected code.
allowing an exception for video games is unlikely, and extending any exceptions to non-video game software would allow users to crack things like Adobe software and Windows.
>force companies to release server binaries or to open-source their games
unlikely to happen as well. server binaries would require extensive modification to be used by consumers even if they did work on consumer hardware due to security certs hardcoded into the clients.
open-sourcing is even less likely due to third party middleware as well as IP protection laws regarding re-use of the code elsewhere.
>force companies to create offline versions of their games
this runs into the issue of what would then be an acceptable minimum quantity of each game, which would have to be decided on a case-by-case basis and be enormously expensive from a regulatory point of view

there would also likely be far too many exceptions for certain types of games for any of these to ever be an effective solution

>>713902042
I love how nonregulation fags think that workplaces have minimum wages, vacations days, sick leave, safe working conditions all because of their companies good graces. capitalism is a rush to the bottom and the only thing stopping corpos from returning you back to a mudhut peasant is regulations.

>>713904927
How so?
There's tens of thousands of video games that haven't died despite the companies going under decades ago, because they built their games in a way that allows the owners of said games play them forever.
How would those games magically disappear from existence?

>>713905312
Well I think it can be more targeted than that

>>713904383
Do you only hate this because you, as an American, can't vote and engage with the petition?

>>713904927
Death to all vidya

>>713905331
every shitty game is somebody's treasure
i wilk save them all

>>713905278
Indeed, which means he probably has aids and will die soon. Very sad, if only he was more like Mr. Scott.

>>713905547
I wonder if ferrets can get aids...

>>713905428
I love how you can only samefag and spew shit no one said as an argument

>>713905328
What are such objects?
Because I can't remember the last time something in my household truly broke beyond repair. Even if my PC parts stopped working, fixing them would be a cinch

pewdiepie should just make a video

it would finish in like seconds, he's euro as well

>>713905428
Regulation by itself is not bad, but the EU itself is absolutely the wrong place to decide some things.
Minimum wage for example isn't decided by the EU for plenty of extremely good reasons.

>>713901179 (OP)
Yes please

>>713901179 (OP)
I bet PirateSoftware was the dude who was stealing the breast milk at Blizzard. He looks like the type.

>>713905525
True. I remember all the shitty garbage I used to buy pirated burned disc from my childhood quite fondly.

I keep seeing people saying what SKG isn't, but not what it actually is.
Is there some kind of disconnect between the stated goals of it and the actual implications of it that aren't apparent?

>>713905428
>capitalism is a rush to the bottom
My guy, regulations exist in capitalism. Even lolberts believe in keeping a state around to squash monopolies to protect muh free market because monopolies are statism or something

>>713905871
that's far too much of a heterosexual activity for him to be a suspect. He literally SUCKS DICK

>>713905609
I suggest asking Thor, it's the one topic he would actually have authority to speak on.

He wants to turn habbo hotel into a single player game fuck this chud

>>713902640
EU counters mutttech
US counters chinktech

>>713905493
The iFunny watermark makes this funnier

>>713901406
this is mold talking

>>713905871
Nah, he was in QA, nowhere near the real devs.

Ross video chat live now

>>713906013
>Implying he doesn't pretend it's man milk when he sticks rubber gnomes up his ass

>>713901751
0.0002₪ have been deposited onto your account.

>>713906171
wow cool fucking link

>>713906257
https://www.twitch.tv/rossbroadcast

>>713905676
Clothespins. Most current ones are made of cheap plastic that gets brittle when exposed to sunlight and break after a few months.
Can openers, like the monstrosity in pic which is the vast majority of can openers you can even find for sale these days, when a simple lever action can opener like the p-38 (originally invented during ww2, I don't like the foldable blade though) will last you a lifetime.
You literally have to go to specialized stores or dig endlessly on the internet to find unfucked versions of those two items.

>>713905410
he could have at least shaved down below the collar, it's like he wants people to see that hair line, like some italian having his chest hair peak out from his shirt but in this case it's his neck hair.

>>713905893
The goal is simply put to leave games (multiplayer games chiefly but always online singleplayer games as well) in a preservable state without the developer having to intervene in the future to avoid both the destruction of art and the voiding of a consumer's purchased goods when it isn't necessary.

The initiative provides multiple suggestions as to how this could be done but it does not list a firm singular legal path forward to accomplish this as the purpose of the initiative is to force a legal discussion to be held in the first place.

>>713905893
Here's a screenshot from the official EU page for it
It's mostly just vague bullshit about how games dependent on online services should be left in a "playable" state after EOL, but god knows what that would mean or how it would work or what video games would be covered by it

>>713902042
>t. McSlave™

>>713905328
You may be right about that, but how's a regulation that prevents industries from making shit that's designed to fail a bad thing?

isn't the tldr for the petition something about games developed from now on to have some sort of backup plan if they have an online portion, so people don't end with 50% of a product they paid for because there are no long accessible servers, why are people against it?
god dammit I love being a pcfag because modders always find a way to deliver exactly this kind of shit

>>713901179 (OP)
If your live service game needs a remote server to be playable, it's fucking shit.

>>713906467
>It's mostly just vague bullshit
Hi Thor.

>>713902042
>Um actually I want companies to be able to take away products I purchased.

>>713902042
>only a retard would support giving the govt any control #defundthepolice

>>713906467
It's almost like you're *asked* to leave it as vague as possible and there's even a character limit when it comes to these initiatives because, if accepted, the EU is then meant to investigate further and ask parties both in favor and against such a decree to then lawyer up the whole thing and actually write the terms then, and *only* then. Implying the initiative is bad because it's written the way it's MEANT to be written is beyond disingenuous, Maldavius

>>713906509
>but how's a regulation that prevents industries from making shit that's designed to fail a bad thing?
Not the anon you were arguing with before, I just commented on your post because the state of the market and shit products annoys me.

>>713906467
whats vague about it?
it envelops the topic, specifics get defined by lawmakers once the initative takes hold.

>>713905676
USB-C cables. I personally have to get a new one because my current one charges like shit.

>>713905826
Doesn't matter, pretty much every other avenue is closed.
>>713905893
The goal is for game studios to add end of life plans to their games, leaving them at the bare minimum accessible in some way to the people that bought it. Very basic shit that devs used to do all the time, like public hosted servers for games like tf2/cod/ect. When they shutter the game, it needs to be in a state where you can access the game.

>>713901179 (OP)
Based, KILL THEM ALL
https://youtu.be/3PbdyJ_ybSI

>>713905997
This guy hasn't had the pleasure of speaking to legitimate ancaps who believe complete abolition of regulation and government would save the planet and monopolies wouldn't fuck the world forever because people would simply take their business somewhere else!

Alright guys. Seriously. Two questions.
1.) How do you enforce this.
2.) What is the punishment for failure to comply should you succeed.

I'm assuming this will be a giant blanket, from the smallest indie devs to the largest studios on earth. What happens then?

>>713906885
>1.) How do you enforce this.
Violins. Lots of violins.

>>713906686
Or, you know, they could have put in relevant information instead of saying the same thing three fucking times.

>>713906785
Usb c has multiple standard charging and transfer speeds that are displayed on the box. Also depends on the charger or the usb port you are using to charge.

>>713906923
>they could have put in relevant information
They did, Figtree

>>713906967
And they die extremely quickly.

>>713906550
this isn't about the quality of games, it's about the legality of a publisher selling you a product and then taking it away from you
it's a consumer rights issue, private property when digital goods are involved

>>713906923
Like what?

>>713901341
>want to play 3DS games online
>shittendo shut down online so it doesn't work anymore
yes it is

>>713906885
>1.) How do you enforce this.
fines
>2.) What is the punishment for failure to comply should you succeed.
fines

>>713901179 (OP)
>just kill live service games
unironically based

>>713906372
>https://www.twitch.tv/rossbroadcast
thank you

>>713902640
Mutt here. True.

>>713906885
you dont know how governments enforce laws?

I also love e-celebs, I'm watching Serenade-chan now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJyktyAASg

>>713902640
this

>>713906435
>>713906467
Interesting. While I agree with the idea in principle, I'm not sure how it could actually work in practice. The stuff I build at work is completely reliant on existing cloud infrastructure, I wouldn't even know where to begin with decoupling it.

It also becomes weird with microtransactions, like if I just make the game free but make everything inside the game paid, can I avoid complying since they never "bought" the game?

>>713907079
Forever? Just fines? For everyone? Does Timmy the solo dev really need the governments arms coming through his window telling him how to make a game?

I.. I just can't understand. How this would even be possible, or who or how you would pick and choose who to target.

.. This is.. the dumbest idea ever. It actually hurts my brain.

>>713906885
Fines? Maybe a classification board like the ESRB that will refuse to certify if you don't present an EoL plan, locking you out from the european market?
I don't think it will be a blanket thing that will apply to all games no matter how large or small. I remember seeing something suggested like a minimum budget to not stamp over some guy making a TDM game in his basement.

>>713906372
>370 viewers
And he expects us to believe that the people signing the petition are real. It'll be funny when the signatures get validated after the petition ends and we find out that only the original 400k signatures were real.

>>713907162
How come vtubers are always:
>purposely making a fake baby voice
or
>pretending to have a deep, throaty "seductive" voice?

>>713907148
I'm asking you what you want to see. Or what you think will happen. You signed this petition and now I want answers. So yes.
Answer the questions or don't bother dude. Have you thought about any of this? At all?

>>713907309
The latter makes my pp big

>>713907219
I appreciate the use of ellipsis, really enhances the bait. Tasteful.

>>713907041
For starters, define a "playable state". Leaving it vague is obviously going to be a loophole goldmine for example, if they had some kind of training mode it wouldn't be the main game but it is playable.

if your game isn't relevant enough to get pirated then it deserves to disappear into the void

>>713907309
>>pretending to have a deep, throaty "seductive" voice?
Name 25, 5 of them have to play retro games.

>>713906885
Those are both outside the scope of a citizens initiative, this is just a petition with some teeth to it that forces lawmakers to look at it and get shit moving. What ultimately comes out of it is up to them and the lawyers that are going to bicker about it.

>>713907309
it's more interesting than just speaking with their normal voice

>>713901179 (OP)
good
fuck live service trash
they're all scams

So if you get caught with 3DMAX or Blender or the UE5 kit on your PC does the government just start sending you warnings and fines or asking for your source codes? Like where does this even start. How do you even control this wild and horrible idea if it succeeds and how do you plan on stopping once it clearly becomes uncontrolable?

>>713907383
You literally have no idea what you're asking for. Do you? Why can't you just answer the two questions? Have you given any of this any thought. At all.

>>713901406
King.

>>713907219
If Timmy the solo dev is dumb enough to make a game that requires an online connection to boot, then Timmy the solo dev is retarded and deserves every fine, and possibly a death sentence.

>>713907398
I mean even that would be fine imo, anything beyond just a splash screen that says "end of service" that locks you out of anything.

>>713907297
>I don't think it will be a blanket thing that will apply to all games no matter how large or small
You can't pick and choose like that.

>>713907383
Maybe he's writing for some kojimaslop.

>>713907425
I dunno about 25 but Luna fits that bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v5LCoGRsNg

>>713907205
>if I just make the game free but make everything inside the game paid, can I avoid complying since they never "bought" the game?
Yes, so this will likely result in more live service games funded by microtransactions.

>>713906467
The vagueness is intentional
The devs and the publishers are completely free to decide how they implement it, when they implement it, what methods they choose, etc.
The only thing that matters in regard to the potential legislation is that the game is left playable after the end of support. That's fucking it. That's all there is to it. That's what the initiative wants

>>713906882
Dude , ancaps are not the majority of lolberts topkek.

>>713907325
>Have you thought about any of this? At all?
You're new to these threads aren't you. They're literally supporting this just because they like youtubers.

>>713901406
Holy fucking based based based based based based based based based based based

>>713907536
I can appreciate your honesty at least, and whatever sad attempt you've made at answering. So here we go.
Failure to comply = fines, and possibly a death sentence.
Anyone else want to lad to this list?

People who play live services games are turbo retards and they are the ones who ruined the industry with their stupid brainlet behaviour of buying skins and lootboxes and other worthless shit. They fucked up normal single player game production with their retard ways.

>>713907219
>Does Timmy the solo dev really need the governments arms coming through his window telling him how to make a game?
what a stupid fucking framing, you could ask the same question for every single regulation out there
>does Timmy the solo cook really need the government to tell him how to handle kitchen utensils?
>does Timmy the solo web dev really need the government to tell him how to handle personal identifiable data from his users?

>>713907619
Which is retarded because a playable state doesn't mean anything.

>>713907205
>It also becomes weird with microtransactions, like if I just make the game free but make everything inside the game paid, can I avoid complying since they never "bought" the game?
This is also touched upon in the initiative, that such games where you paid for virtual stuff should also be kept playable after the end of life. It's essentially not different from paying for the game

>>713907060
thats not what thats about, its about that you cant play live service games that are only online and have no other way to play it when it goes down, you can still play mario kart 7 offline

>>713901406
simple as

>>713907735
>playable state doesn't mean anything
Let me guess. Fun is a buzzword according to you, yes?

>>713907731
>mad big and silly response with an off-topic food analogy

The guy who just wants death sentences is smarter than you + I stopped reading your shit when you mentioned how hungry you are. Fatty retard lol.

>>713907026
Dunno, I've used the same usb c cable for my phone and it still fast charges just fine.

>>713907716
complete genetic annihilation, absolute systematic eradication of their entire bloodline, + tax.

>>713907205
My thoughts on that are either provide exceptions for the sorts of games that rely HEAVILY on things cloud infrastructure, or make it okay for developers to leave consumers a "broken" game in certain situations as long as they've given them a starting point to work off of and patch the holes. As long as players aren't left with absolutely fucking nothing and are forced to reverse-engineer from scratch to play the game again, I consider that a win.

Microtransactions do make things confusing and I'm not sure how to handle that. I do believe that if you paid for something in a game, you should ideally continue to be able to access the game so you can access those things, but also the scarcity of those items is assuredly gone if it becomes a fan project. I think my basic take would be that the game should be playable if you paid for things in it, but on the player end you just have to accept that your item no longer has scarcity. You still have it, just everyone else does, too.

>>713907731
>you could ask the same question for every single regulation out there
Not really especially not with your examples because food and personal data are considerably higher on the ladder than some shovelware title with drm in a world where drm is slowly dying

>>713907513
>So if you get caught with 3DMAX or Blender or the UE5 kit on your PC does the government just start sending you warnings and fines or asking for your source codes?
Where did you get this idea from? It should be pretty simple to follow: if you sell a game and it depends on some online server to function, i.e. a multiplayer matchmaking server, you will be required to patch the game to no longer require the online server to play or provide the players a means to host a server themselves upon ending service. It's doesn't mean "if you ever touched game design, you HAVE to finish your game and support it forever or you're literally aborting a life" or whatever else you were implying there.