Thread 713911467 - /v/ [Archived: 834 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:14:38 PM No.713911467
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Games 20 years from now are going to be fucking incredible
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:25:59 PM No.713912397
>>713911467 (OP)
palintir will not allow this. sorry chuddie.
Replies: >>713914575 >>713914781 >>713914793 >>713930203
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:28:40 PM No.713912636
>>713911467 (OP)
It's too bad this will be made illegal because women feel threatened by it
Replies: >>713925851
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:36:14 PM No.713913287
Tell me how I can generate image to video sloppa locally right now
Replies: >>713918965
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:47:43 PM No.713914224
>sun is setting behind her
>light is on her skin as if it's above her and to the left
SLOP
Replies: >>713919786
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:49:33 PM No.713914386
>>713911467 (OP)
I hope we will all be dead by then
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:52:01 PM No.713914575
>>713912397
Fuck 'em. We'll do it ourselves.
Replies: >>713914781
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:52:52 PM No.713914645
>>713911467 (OP)
jesus, that's what hilda looks like now? she's matured a lot
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:53:38 PM No.713914708
>>713911467 (OP)
Yeah. Video games have started as text adventures and will end like them. AI chads can't stop winning.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:54:14 PM No.713914749
>Shiny awkward looking AI slop
SAAR
Replies: >>713916187 >>713917619
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:54:37 PM No.713914781
>>713912397
Too much stuff is already open source, so worst case scenario >>713914575
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 8:54:45 PM No.713914793
>>713912397
Just use Chinese AI
Replies: >>713923406 >>713939090
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:09:07 PM No.713916008
im excited for those overlay ones to just add huge titties to all my favorite old games
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:11:18 PM No.713916174
>>713911467 (OP)
that's what we said in 2005 and yet we got trash
Replies: >>713916379
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:11:31 PM No.713916187
>>713914749
the basement dwelling, low IQ neckbeard easily influenced by internet racism "SAAAR" as if he won an argument. he only reveals his inner ugliness.
Replies: >>713923584
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:14:01 PM No.713916379
>>713916174
because games were being designed by millennials and hooked noses not ais following (You)r prompts.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:14:44 PM No.713916442
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>>713911467 (OP)
I hope, but unfortunately what i see is corporations hogging models, selling subscriptions and heavily censoring them.
And governments banning open source models "for your own safety".
Replies: >>713921292 >>713930987
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:15:21 PM No.713916494
only government-approved propaganda games will be allowed by then
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:16:44 PM No.713916606
Best site for AI porn vids?
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:18:01 PM No.713916709
I'm so sexually frustrated, holy shit
Replies: >>713918360
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:29:34 PM No.713917619
>>713914749
actually being a luddite doesnt make you cool or interesting
Replies: >>713922446
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:39:06 PM No.713918360
>>713916709
What is that like?
Replies: >>713921073
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:40:46 PM No.713918490
>>713911467 (OP)
>hallucinations and warping
>realistic waves animation thats jarring against an otherwise cartoony image.
>wave literally just emerge from nothing.
>overall random as fuck character movements
>some of the shadows are being cast as if they are using light from different sources

slop
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:41:10 PM No.713918525
>>713911467 (OP)
PIT SLUT
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:42:30 PM No.713918634
>>713911467 (OP)
Uncanny...
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:42:34 PM No.713918639
>>713911467 (OP)
Genuinely why do you think that
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:46:35 PM No.713918965
>>713913287
ANSWER THIS QUESTION. HAILUAI took away the three daily free gens and I didn't abuse it as much as I should have
Replies: >>713919650
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:49:02 PM No.713919159
ng
ng
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:53:45 PM No.713919547
file
file
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Hehe, funny face.
Replies: >>713919831 >>713927462
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:54:17 PM No.713919581
>>713911467 (OP)
Where's the horse?
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:55:03 PM No.713919650
>>713918965
Go to /g/ and ask there in one of the AI generals.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:56:41 PM No.713919786
>>713914224
>sun is setting behind her
>there is a huge street light above her out of frame
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:57:04 PM No.713919831
>>713919547
what im i looking at
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:02:32 PM No.713920274
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I hate this shit you get 3 attempts to do anything with no idea how to make the results good
Replies: >>713921225
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:12:33 PM No.713921073
>>713918360
just image you are frustrated, and you are frustrated because you cant have sex, so you are horny too
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:14:27 PM No.713921225
>>713920274
>walks into a corner because she's not looking
>gets mad at me for doing something she did
I didn't know AI was this realistic.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:15:13 PM No.713921292
>>713916442
check /gif/, anons there are using local models
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:16:00 PM No.713921351
>>713911467 (OP)
A huge part of admiring women's bodies is the unique way they move and express themselves.
I don't want to look at a glorified 3d model viewer for a mostly static asset
Replies: >>713921763
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:20:49 PM No.713921763
>>713921351
>I don't want to look at a glorified 3d model viewer for a mostly static asset
You don't, millions of men who aren't gay do.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:24:23 PM No.713922056
>>713911467 (OP)
People were saying that back in 2005 and look where we are now.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:26:23 PM No.713922249
>>713911467 (OP)
nice, another bait thread that's gonna hit bump limit because OP is a nigger who's gonna bump it no matter what.
Replies: >>713923262
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:28:30 PM No.713922446
>>713917619
spouting the word like you understand anything doesn't make you smart either
Replies: >>713922652 >>713922736
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:30:53 PM No.713922652
>>713922446
cope
Replies: >>713922736
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:31:53 PM No.713922736
>>713922652
see >>713922446
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:38:16 PM No.713923262
>>713922249
no?
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:39:57 PM No.713923406
>>713914793
>just rely on the country that banned all porn
Replies: >>713923881
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:40:03 PM No.713923413
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6h
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:42:19 PM No.713923584
>>713916187
good morning!!
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:43:40 PM No.713923732
>my wife
Hhgng...
Replies: >>713925903
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:45:30 PM No.713923881
>>713923406
Until my country of India surpasses China, thats the best option you have saar
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:46:45 PM No.713923986
>>713911467 (OP)
Theyโ€™re going to look and play worse than modern games and you will be charged per hour of playtime
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:47:01 PM No.713924013
>>713911467 (OP)
>20 years from now
We are going to be just radioative rubble, bro.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:47:41 PM No.713924075
>>713911467 (OP)
is there a tool yet that can be used to extract 3d shapes from 2d pictures yet? or extract shapes from 2 or more perspectives? it would be a revolution
Replies: >>713926606 >>713927608
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:52:58 PM No.713924514
>>713911467 (OP)
wtf i love sweaty pits now
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 10:57:20 PM No.713924890
https://files.catbox.moe/fixmei.mp4
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:00:31 PM No.713925096
>>713911467 (OP)
Need more of other FE girls
Replies: >>713925421
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:07:45 PM No.713925421
>>713925096
shoulda been tharja
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:13:36 PM No.713925631
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Your wife is very pretty!
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:19:40 PM No.713925793
>>713911467 (OP)
SEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:19:41 PM No.713925797
i clicked on this for Hilda
can we get more Hilda in this thread
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:22:01 PM No.713925851
>>713912636
counting up the votes for the anti-porn legislation that just got approved by scotus, all but 1 woman opposed it, whereas every male justice approved it.
Replies: >>713925998
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:23:34 PM No.713925903
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>>713923732
your wife is very pretty!
Replies: >>713926079
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:25:58 PM No.713925998
>>713925851
that's completely irrelevant but i hope women appreciate your efforts
Replies: >>713926230
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:28:37 PM No.713926079
>>713925903
She's my wife too! Im glad so many anons like her!
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:33:10 PM No.713926224
>2005
>"Wow, I bet games are going to be insane in the future"
>2025
>"this is the worst gaming has ever been"
>2045
>250 dollar broken-on-launch live service games where each match needs to be paid for with a microtransaction and if you don't have the battlepass someone comes to your house and beats the fuck out of you
Replies: >>713926387 >>713927608
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:33:21 PM No.713926230
>>713925998
It's directly relevant, also applies to the legislators who passed the bill themselves and the activists who supported it. The push to outright ban porn isn't actually coming from rainbow-haired femoids, it's coming from the religious right.
Replies: >>713926523
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:37:36 PM No.713926387
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>>713926224
>get my mind blown by deux ex at 12
>still waiting for a proper sequel that is a univeral improvement in all ways
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:41:38 PM No.713926523
>>713926230
It's not relevant because AI girlfriend simulating porn and contemporary "sex work" porn are completely different things with different political opposition
Replies: >>713927116
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:44:28 PM No.713926606
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>>713924075
There are a few who do that and quality varies. Some do even textures. Details can be messed up like face and no rigging.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 11:59:50 PM No.713927116
>>713926523
It's entirely relevant. The *only* meaningful legal pushback against any kind of porn at the moment are the recent laws in multiple southern states. You realize legislation is necessary for a ban to become reality, yes? There's nothing resembling an organized opposition on the left that could conceivably go anywhere; the idea of banning smut, AI or not, doesn't have enough proponents. Even in feminist circles, banning porn is pretty controversial. Putting porn aside, there's no major movement to ban AI girlfriends either.
>AI girlfriend simulating porn and contemporary "sex work" porn are completely different things
Legally, no, they are not. AI-generated anime tiddies are just as subject to the southern porn restrictions as live action stuff.
Replies: >>713927208
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:02:39 AM No.713927208
>>713927116
no idea why you're trying to pretend leftoids don't hate AI and rightoids aren't positive towards it but good luck!
Replies: >>713927370 >>713927608
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:07:31 AM No.713927370
>>713927208
If your original statement had been "lefties will bitch and whine about this" I would've agreed fully, but that's not what you said.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:09:27 AM No.713927462
>>713919547
kek
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:10:49 AM No.713927547
>>713911467 (OP)
how much microplastics will our balls contain 20 years from now you figure?
Replies: >>713927772
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:11:41 AM No.713927608
>>713926224
by 2045 you'll prompt sequels for your favorite games and they will be amazing

>>713924075
yeah but they're still not great

>>713927208
take your meds lol, the world is bigger than the boxes your retarded political parties have put the cattle into
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:14:23 AM No.713927772
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>>713927547
enough to give birth to a cool action figure
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:17:21 AM No.713927998
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Replies: >>713928835
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:20:34 AM No.713928249
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>>713911467 (OP)
still won't be mogged by gachas visually, mechanically, gameplayically
Replies: >>713928781
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:25:32 AM No.713928563
>>713911467 (OP)
>He thinks this is going to improve his games
lol, lmao even
You're heading straight into subscription based aislop/garbage asset games
You're going to see unreasonable graphics glitches. Getting instakilled by buggy object collision because you did a 360 degree turn.
And all of those will need a minimum 5080TI.

This will be only useful for trash samey anime VNs and thats it.
Replies: >>713928625
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:26:37 AM No.713928625
>>713928563
What do you gain deluding yourself like this? Does it help you cope somehow?
Replies: >>713929474
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:29:25 AM No.713928781
>>713928249
Aren't some gachas already experimenting with AI interactions? They're probably going to be the forefront of this stuff being implemented compellingly
Replies: >>713929474
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:30:15 AM No.713928835
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>>713927998
It's the invisible ass
It's the invisible ass
Incredible how this lass
Has no cunny!
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:38:36 AM No.713929474
>>713928625
You're the delusional one if you think you're going to get good consistent games from this.
Especially with the average gamer's writing capability. You're going to end up with boilerplate rpgs after rpgs(or anything else) with disappearing characters.

>>713928781
Probably. Those interact with AI character thing tends to get very metagamey though. Studios will most likely block out anything creative and give you false sense of freedom until you ask something not you're not allowed to ask. Back to dialogue options without saying it is while asking for your subscription money

I doubt devs are going to figure out how to work these until 2-3 years.
Replies: >>713929886
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:41:50 AM No.713929753
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>>713911467 (OP)
We said that 20 years ago, and look
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:42:11 AM No.713929783
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Replies: >>713933268 >>713934289 >>713938661
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:43:22 AM No.713929886
>>713929474
Why didn't you answer the question?
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:45:18 AM No.713930047
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>>713911467 (OP)
>20 YEARS
you underestimate AI. Once Sam Altfag reaches sentience with openai, the world is gonna change and accelerate like never before!

Think about it. We're still operating at HUMAN pace, just wait till we operate on AI pace.
Replies: >>713930929
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:45:46 AM No.713930079
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:47:15 AM No.713930192
why do girls wanna be the anime girl but they dont wanna be the anime girl? Is this having a cake and eating it situation?
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:47:23 AM No.713930203
>>713912397
palantir are chuddies, retard.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:49:28 AM No.713930367
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>>713911467 (OP)
Not gonna lie

I really do wish I was at least 10 years younger. And yeah yeah I got to experience dial up, kazaa, pre-google youtube, AOl chat rooms, and all that "early internet magic" bullshit but at the end of the day, who even fucking remembers them? It's fun to nostalgia post every once in a while but the thought of missing out on so much of the future is so much worse.
Replies: >>713930757 >>713938404 >>713938724
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:54:24 AM No.713930757
>>713930367
>we're going to die just as humanity stars on a path to immortality
sucks man
Replies: >>713930917
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:56:22 AM No.713930917
>>713930757
you were never going to be able to afford it. Corporate monarchs don't need cattle that can live forever. Robots and tube-people will continuously replace the workforce as needed.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:56:31 AM No.713930929
>>713930047
openai is barely even doing anything these days. computer intelligence in general seems pretty stagnant. the big leaps now are being made in visual fields which is fun but you're not going to generate a photorealistic video of a new LLM architecture
Replies: >>713931307
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:57:17 AM No.713930987
>>713916442
The thing about algorithms is that you can't patent them. A company like Elevenlabs can patent their own implementation of an algorithm, like they have done with their voice llms, but someone else can use the same algorithm and create their own trademark from scratch.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:57:51 AM No.713931026
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:01:23 AM No.713931307
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>>713930929
Right now all I want is to be able to run flux models on 8 gig cards...
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:27:06 AM No.713933268
>>713929783
>hair dries immediately
Replies: >>713933439
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:29:26 AM No.713933439
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>>713933268
>looking at the fucking hair
Replies: >>713934593
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:42:03 AM No.713934289
>>713929783
Why are her breasts idling?
>>713911467 (OP)
You are Indian sir.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:46:35 AM No.713934593
>>713933439
What do you use to make these?
Replies: >>713934974
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 1:52:39 AM No.713934974
>>713934593
>WanX (video)
Guide: https://rentry.org/wan21kjguide
https://github.com/Wan-Video/Wan2.1
Replies: >>713936719 >>713938514
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:16:39 AM No.713936719
>>713934974
thank you. downloading comfy portable now. any tips and tricks? what would a prompt look like to gen what you posted?
Replies: >>713936935
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:19:18 AM No.713936935
>>713936719
you prompt a base image and then image-to-video it
you can use loras like the boob bounce of dancing loras etc
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:21:07 AM No.713937063
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>>713911467 (OP)
Explain why I'm supposed to hate this artkeks
Replies: >>713938269
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:37:22 AM No.713938170
>>713911467 (OP)
god bless ai
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:38:41 AM No.713938269
>>713937063
On the gooning side of things it's whatever, but in the actual art side of things it's soulless slop.

It's the equivalent of gray mush being fed to you instead of actual food
Replies: >>713938923 >>713939803
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:40:27 AM No.713938404
>>713930367
>Not gonna lie
>I wish I was 10 years younger
Either 10 years ago you were eight, or you're already acting as though you were 10 years younger
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:42:02 AM No.713938514
models
models
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>>713934974
I don't know which model to download there's a ton. i'm on a 5070ti
Replies: >>713939141
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:44:05 AM No.713938661
>>713929783
god, yes.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:44:20 AM No.713938675
>>713911467 (OP)
Yeah, they will invent jewing methods thought impossible.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:45:07 AM No.713938724
>>713930367
WTF no anon you don't want to grow up with tablets and smartphones everywhere.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:48:07 AM No.713938923
>>713938269
except the "gray mush" looks better and tastes better than most of the "actual food"
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:50:26 AM No.713939090
>>713914793
you dont realize that ai and gpus will be regulated more than weapons
its too dangerous to allow plebs full access to it
Replies: >>713939846
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:51:03 AM No.713939141
>>713938514
ask on /g/ or something
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:53:38 AM No.713939336
nice "game" nigger
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:53:39 AM No.713939337
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>>713911467 (OP)
I'd rather see an "AI" tool run a game than create art. Lets see what happens when you let it run a whole group of NPCs in a town. Or hell see if it can take active feedback about a game and make changes in real time.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:00:01 AM No.713939803
>>713938269
twitter artists are the grey mush, shoving their garbage fetishes everywhere
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:00:41 AM No.713939846
>>713939090
>years later and retards are still saying this
ah yes the danger of ERPing or generating art with tokens
the horror
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:02:01 AM No.713939952
>>713911467 (OP)
>Years later and the AIslop still has the exact same issues
Replies: >>713940079
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:03:45 AM No.713940079
>>713939952
>AI video of this caliber is one year old, that video is probably one years old
>then there's this schizo