Why is it considered the best Prime game?

People love that moth guy

>>713939093 (OP)
...it is? I thought only I thought so.

>>713939093 (OP)
It's Prime 1 without the shitty backtracking.

>>713939374
Uh oh, better start hating it to keep feeling special

>>713939093 (OP)
should i play this

>>713939729
>should I play this game everyone says is good
No, you're clearly too retarded to enjoy it

>>713939729
Yes. With primehack.

>>713939093 (OP)
Similar to the Zelda cycle. It's the Majora's Mask of Metroid.
People didn't like it when it came out but over time contrarianism has become popular opinion.
Personally I loved on launch and still do. Prime power ranking is order of release.

>>713939446
The absolute fuck are you talking about? 2 has the most backtracking out of any metroid with the stupid light world/dark world garbage. You have to explore every single area TWICE.

>>713940396
And not everywhere connects in the dark world so you have to know which portals can get you to certain areas.

>>713939093 (OP)
>Limited beam ammo
>Half the game is just recolored maps so you play the same level twice
>Constantly take damage in recolored maps
>Infuriating Morph ball miniboss
Prime 1 was better in just about every way

>>713939093 (OP)
Fake news
Metroid Prime (2002) is the one considered the best.

>>713940804
>filtered by spider guardian
low IQ
Boost guardian is understandable though.

I really like Prime 3

>>713940396
Prime 1 has way more egregious backtracking compared to prime 2. In prime 2 you zigzag around an area in new ways, in prime 1 you walk down one long hallway (magmoor caverns or phazon mines take your pick) a dozen times within a single sitting

it leans heavily into survival horror which just so happens to be peak 2D metroid with Fusion too.
What the series should be about.

>>713939093 (OP)

Definitely had its moments, but Prime 1 was a lot more rememberable.

>>713940804
>Limited beam ammo
When you figure out that destroying things with light ammo gives you a shitton of dark ammo and vice versa, it suddenly becomes a non-issue.

>>713941506
The only infuriating thing about the spider guardian is just how far his boss room is from the nearest save point on top of his scan being easily missable.

>>713939093 (OP)
It isn't, it's the worst

>>713943036
>complaining about backtracking in a metroid game
lol lmao
>

>>713941861
Still one of the best light gun games ever made.

>>713943036
The only part about Prime 1 that annoys me is Phendrana's edge. For some reason I always miss an artifact or item there.

>>713943395
>retarded nigger cant into game design
super has very little bactracking by design. If you know the game you will waste very little time backtracking. Prime 1? Yeah your ass is going up and down phazon mines 4 times in a 2 hour interval

>>713943036
I hate how shitty magmoor caverns is. It's just one long transition area between all of the other regions with a lava theme, and you don't even get a cool fire themed boss fight.

>>713943686
> you don't even get a cool fire themed boss fight.

holy fuck how did I never notice this before ?

they should have done a crocomire fight

>>713943779
As a dumb child, I assumed this concept art was some kind of Magmoor Hydra boss that I hadn't seen in the game yet, but as soon as I learned there was no boss, I was immensely disappointed.

>>713939729
Prepare for boredom

>>713943245
The issue is that it is no fun allowed gameplay

>get final beam
>game literally ends 30 minutes later
>no real reason to use other beams other than to open doors

>>713939093 (OP)
It generally isn't, but of course you knew that, you sly 4chan metagaming dog. I think it's the best because its overall aesthetic is way cooler and the intro is perfect, peak nightmare.

>>713940804
>Limited beam ammo
This was one of the best changes they made to the game. There was zero reason to use anything but the newest beam in Prime 1, specially once you got to the Plasma beam. Stuff like the color coded pirates felt really forced because you could just be running around with one beam, then switch to whatever they were weak to, then once you were done you go back to what you were using before.

Prime 2 makes the dark/light beams equally stronger than the power beam, and then the annihilator beam by far the strongest of them all, but you have resource management to deal with so you can't spam anything but the weakest beam thoughtlessly. Combined with the dark/light worlds and enemies (with the dark enemies being stronger but the dark beam having the OP freeze effect) it makes for a perfectly balanced set of weapons: everything is useful and you'll be using all of them.

'ate the dark world
'ate gettin keys
'ate beam ammo
'ate the echo visor
'ate dark pirate commandos
Prime 1 is better, simple as that

>>713939093 (OP)
Any chance we get an HD version of this also released for Switch? I don't want to buy a Switch 2 either not supporting that shitheld. Or will I be forced to get a GC for this game?

>>713939093 (OP)
It's not.

>>713946429
>HD version

its called emulataion

>>713941861
I like the maps, especially SkyTown, but I hate how much the GF is involved in the game and how it's significantly more linear than any of the other Prime games including Hunters.

>>713945561
>'ate dark pirate commandos
All you have to do is freeze them and shatter them, the fights can be over in 10 seconds

>>713948037
the coolest area that actually just sucked

>>713943516
the music though

>>713939093 (OP)
Prime 1 is good, but it's a proof of concept.
Lots of small stuff that isn't polished/doesn't feel great compared to the later games, like the platforming, the way the morph ball handles, the amount of empty hallways between each area, the end game enemies being different colored versions of Metroids and Space Pirates which are only weak to the corresponding beam type, the way Magmoor is connected to everything and Phendrana is only accessible through Magmoor, and a few other small issues.

Prime 3 is like the complete opposite of this. The controls are completely polished, the way Samus handles in the morph ball and the way jumps and platforming works feels better, most of the areas in the game are way better laid out with rooms having compact designs with more interesting stuff in them and less pointless hallways, combat stays interesting through the whole game (ignoring the flaw with Hypermode trivializing the game), and so on...
If Prime 1 is a proof of concept, 3 is definitely the most polished version of the same idae, with improved art on top of it all...
...except it's completely casualized. Game is quite easy once you figure out the trick with hypermode, and even ignoring that, the puzzles are extremely easy, items are kind of just handed to you by being laid directly in your path, and so on.

Prime 2 is almost all the polish of 3, but with a difficulty that's higher than 1.
The light/dark + insects + horror themes of the game art-wise aren't for everyone, but it's also arguably the best art in the series with the most cohesive visual theme (since the whole planet is devoted to the Luminoth) and arguably gets the closest out of the prime games to feeling like the original Metroid 1, 2, and Super with the horror/cave exploration alien atmosphere.

>>713939093 (OP)
I was too fucking retarded for Prime back in 2002, so here's the opinion of a guy who played all three original releases last year:
>Prime
Superb opening level. Beautiful game. The graphics are very impressive for a console game of that era, and the OST has some great standouts. Combat kind of sucks. Felt like the devs had a hard time figuring out how to design fair enemies with the GameCube controller in mind, so they went with making almost everything easy to deal with. I fully believe the Phazon Mine section is infamous because most first-time players are asleep at the wheel at that point of the game. It's borderline walking sim.
>Echoes
For the most part, this feels like Prime if it respected the player's ability. Enemies are an actual threat from the beginning (first boss, to be specific). Dark World shit worked better than I expected, but that may be my experience with LttP talking. I never found the backtracking in Echoes to be worse than Prime. My only gripes with the game is that there are too many loading screens due to portals and the gimmick during the final escape is a little cheap (I think they fixed this somewhat in Trilogy).
>Corruption
Overhated, but it's still worse than the first two games. Hypermode really fucks the enemy / combat balance to the point that the most impactful upgrades you'll find are health tanks. The story is pretty lame too. Cringed hard at the "we're the good guys" line during the opening level. Wii wagglin worked well for the most part. God help you if you manage to misunderstand the corruption venting mechanic like I did; every fight will be a slog. I swear the first seed boss took over twenty minutes without abusing hypermode properly.

>>713939729
Prime 2 is my favorite game, and I'll say if you think it looks interesting give it a shot.
Even with it being my favorite game I don't think it's for everybody, since it's such a unique setting.
No shame in dropping it if it's not for you.

>>713939093 (OP)
No one says this

>>713949339
I say this.

>>713949182
>most of the areas in the game are way better laid out with rooms having compact designs with more interesting stuff in them and less pointless hallways
The compact nature was more to its detriment though. Having those big "pointless" interconnecting rooms in Primes 1 and 2 helped flesh out the planet and map whereas in Prime 3 you basically have really interim areas you are constantly cutting through to get to extremely small puzzle rooms whose puzzle is just "Do a Screw Attack" or "Bomb this one thing". MP1, 2, and Hunters all integrated items and side areas into the maps in smart ways even if Hunters was way more compact and less spread out. MP3 makes the rooms feel like they either have to serve a purpose or they don't exist.

>>713941861
I keep remembering every time I talk about Prime 3, that the Wii controls aren't set to the "Advanced" setting by default.
They make the game so much better.

Of course I guess everybody plays the PrimeHack version now, which makes this irrelevant.
But I think with PrimeHack you actually lose a huge immersion factor without playing with a Wii Remote. Something about holding the Wii Remote made shooting Samus' arm cannon + all the immersion tricks the Prime games use like stuff splashing on your visor, made Prime 3 the most immersed I've ever been in a game.

I personally didn't mind the ammo or even the dark erosion gimmick. The only thing I didnt really like about it was the regions felt too samey. I missed the biodiversity of Prime 1 and 3.

Prime 4 is going to suck shit, Nintendo died with Iwata by the way

>>713949205
I thought of another nitpick for Echoes. The scans of certain enemies (Boost Guardian included) are much less helpful than the average scans in Prime. You need to pause the game and review the scan in the menu because, for some reason, the data in the menu is slightly different (and occasionally more helpful) than the data provided during the initial scan.

>>713946429
Very likely coming to Switch 2 Online Gamecube library. Zelda Wind Waker and the other games were rendered in HD and they look nice.

>>713949757
Literally the worst way to play thanks to that fucking side bar that you cant hide for some unfathomable, retarded reason.

god i can't wait for 4 to bomb so this shit ass series can finally go back to the grave with millennial idiots where it belongs.

If not for the Agon(izing) Wastes, I'd consider it to be the best in the trilogy. Torvus and Sanctuary Fortress are peak kino.

>>713949557
>Prime 4 is going to suck shit
I see people have this doomer sentiment, but I think it'll be good.

>>713949921
Yeah having the temple grounds and Agon be so similar and not that interesting makes Prime 2 get off to a slow start, it's one of the few things I don't really like about it
>>713949870
What kind of games do you like, anon?

>>713939093 (OP)
Sanctuary fortress is still one of the greatest achievements in game design I have ever played. The engineering, critical thinking and cohesion that was used to develop that part of the game was was insane. No wonder silksong is taking forever, people underestimate how difficult metroidvania are to make.

Give it to me straight /v/. Is Metroid Dread a good game?

>>713951103
Should've been goty in 2021 to be honest

>>713944328
The annihilator beam is kinda shit anyway.

>>713944328
>literally 30 minutes later
Sure if you're speedrunning like a faggot

>>713950150
sanctuary fortress is the goat, I got lost in there so often and I could never figure out how to get to the screw attack

odds they release a 2 and 3 remaster on switch 2 before 4 launches?

>>713951103
Yes

>>713944328
>beam combo is shit
>only opens like three doors
>other use is some shitty gimmick door for the echo visor

>>713951774
Prime 4 is coming this year right?
I'd say low.
Even if Prime 2 comes to GC Online it'll probably come after.

>>713944328
Emperor Ing is fucking intense, so every part of your arsenal actually matters. Most kino final boss made by Americans* ever.

>>713952004
Beam itself is great for combat though.
There aren't any valid complaints about the Annihilator Beam.

>>713952150
It's weak for how much ammo it uses. The dark and light beams can often end fights quicker.

>>713939093 (OP)
Has some of the most imaginative, inventive boss battles.

>>713952138
>has a bloated HP make the fight long and to force you to be persistent
>requires using your skills throughout the game
>two phases very different from each other
>music is top tier, some of the best tracks in the franchise history
>followed up by a surprise timed 'true' final boss fight
Emperor Ing is how you do a final boss for a game

>>713939093 (OP)
nobody says this, we all collectively know 1 is the best

>>713953194
Wrong, Prime 2 is better than Prime 1 and this is the prevailing opinion here on /v/ and amongst individuals with taste.

>>713939374
Love how Prime 2 fags always act like they're unique and original for being contrarians
>I think the complete opposite of what everyone else thinks. I am such a free thinker!
Pseuds, all of you

>>713951103
Yes, but it's a bit more linear than it should be and they really have to get rid of the parrying meme. It's better than it was in AM2R but I'm just sick of it at this point. I hate enemies being designed around it existing.

>>713953345
>AM2R
I mean SR, whoops. I think the melee is an okay idea in concept but in practice in both SR and Dread it feels unnecessary, and while they made enemy HP "normal" like in the other Metroid games compared to SR they still feel tankier than usual to justify you using it.

>>713951103
Yes, it's pretty great. The EMMI parts are good, but after awhile it gets old/repetitive after the 3rd or 4th encounter. That's probably my only major complaint with it and the soundtrack being a bit weaker compared to the other games.

>>713951161
Just googled some of the games released that year and year this should have been Metroid's year. Fuck these industry faggots.

>>713939973
;(

>>713943686
>jarringly out of place norfair remix blocks your path

>>713953326
prime 2 was largely dissed for like a decade, most of the hate was the ammo gimmick lol

>>713953765
People were geese with too verdant a green.

>>713953295
I thought Prime 1 being the best of the 3 was the prevailing opinion. I do think Prime 1 is slightly better (only slightly), yet Prime 2 is my favorite. Prime 3 is underrated, and I know at least one anon on here that considers it their favorite of the 3. It's very memorable and I think the final boss area and final boss were pretty great. Skytown like others posted is really great too. And fighting all the corrupt hunters. Screw that one purple alien one though, had no sympathy for her.
>>713953504
It Takes Two is pretty great, so it losing to that isn't so bad to me. Those awards should be taken with a grain of salt regardless.

prime 1 is peak nostalgiacore. I played it for the first time a year ago on primehack and somehow I have nostalgia for it like I do for old as fuck PS1 games.

>>713952539
>>713952539
the normal shots don't do much damage because they home in, but the charge shot is actually one of the highest damage attacks in the game

why cant we have more 3d metroidvanias with a focus on atmosphere and adventure?

>>713939093 (OP)
it fixed up the level design of prime 1, it had better graphics, it had better power ups, it had some more content, it had multiplayer,

>>713939093 (OP)
Prime had the usual niggles you get from the first game in a franchise, the world is a pain in the ass to traverse, there's some stupid gameplay choices and the story/setting plays it safe.
Corruption is an early Wii game which means lots of stupid waggle gimmicks and because they wasted so much time implementing those the rest of the game design suffered, beams were stacked because they couldn't think of new distinct ones and the whole thing has this sterile look to it.
Echoes meanwhile takes the overall design of Prime and smooths it over, traversal is streamlined and the story and setting take advantage of the extra dev time not used on developing a full-on new engine to be a bit more experimental and unique, the difficulry is also way higher which is a plus to anyone who isn't a journo, and the gameplay also flows better overall.

Not the other anons, but this is the problem with Prime 1's level design. Prime 2 isn't like this. Magmoor caverns is a concession of Prime 1, and Prime 2 thoughtfully uses its entire light world as some semblance of Magmoor caverns, and the dark world is as Prime 1's overworld. portals bridge the gaps. and navigation becomes a puzzle in and of itself, which is way more engaging than the mediocre backtracking present in Prime 1.

Prime 2 is too formulaic and closed off for me. The entire game is
>Go to U-Mos and get your next quest
>Go to new area, find temple
>Told to find three keys
>Finally get to start exploring for real, get one or two power ups
>Backtrack for one item in a previous area in an almost obligatory fashion, always feels like a total aside but at least there's a shortcut back
>Finish getting keys and fight the boss
>Have to backtrack to the light world temple again
>Rinse and repeat
Then you have the sky temple keys which are basically everything people think is wrong the Chozo Artifacts but actually real

>>713939093 (OP)
It isn't. It's the worst prime game. Still good

>>713955436
both the artifact hunt and sky temple keys blow you primefags coping about "muh you can get a couple early doe!" shit wont prevent that from being true

you know what always pissed me off about prime
the doors stay the same beam color after you open them instead of going neutral like they do in the 2D games so you can use anything to open them
so every goddamn time you want to go through a certain door you have to switch beams

>>713955748
I said this 20 years ago and was called pedantic. I don't want to switch to ice beam just to open the fucking door again let me use the normal beam

>>713955589
The plasma beam ones are the only ones that actually derail you, and there's only three of those (one you can get early). The rest can all be gotten more or less on the way to other things throughout the game

>>713955436
Prime 2 mogs Prime 1 simply for not sending you back and forth between regions on a routine basis. There's only one time you have to backtrack in Prime 2 and it's for power bombs, which immediately results in a shortcut back to sanctuary fortress.

>>713940396
Item Collection is fucked too so there's barely any point in doing it until the end of the game
>that one bit in dark fortress where you need to powerbomb a door open, then screw attack a gap, then use the fucking light suit teleport
the game is full of tedious shit like this

>>713957542
Would you prefer the items all just sit out in the open without you having to do anything to get them?

>>713939093 (OP)
nah, the dark world was a chore for me

>>713960032
I quit when I found out it was going to be a big part of the game
fuck all that

>>713939093 (OP)
I don't know, I always preferred prime 1 even with the backtracking. 1 > 2 > 3

>>713957542
>there's this one bit where you have to open a door, jump across a gap, and stand on a platform
>the game is full of straightforward stuff like this

>>713939093 (OP)
I think I prefer 1 but 2 has a far better map design that makes some of the backtracking feel less restrictive.

I only got around to playing Prime 2 recently so I don't really know if this is some controversial opinion but I really disliked the bosses. For years I had heard about Dark Samus and how hype it was supposed to be but then 90% of the fight is waiting for her to get out of her invulnerability.

sex with balls

This has happened to me like 3 times now
>play through metroid prime 1
>have a great time
>lets move onto prime 2
>play a bunch
>beat the first boss
>no longer feel the urge to continue
>go do something else

>implying any part of prime 2 is better than this

>>713962285
Have you played Prime 3?

>>713962763
Torvus is this but a solid third of the game instead of 1/6th
+ better visuals and music

>>713962771
nah, wanted to get through prime 2 first.

Prime 4 is going to kino, Nintendo just fucking sucks at trailers now

>>713963191
These games aren't exactly some grand story where you need to play them in order.
You might try 3 and if you liked it enough, go back to 2.
3 makes you appreciate what 2 was doing

>>713939093 (OP)
It's really not great, i watched my cousin replay it recently and man a lot of it does not hold up.

Sanctuary Fortress is great though.

>>713964460
>I watched someone else get filtered
>man this shit is ass fr fr on god

>>713964706
We are in our 30's and remember it coming out on the gamecube in 2004 when we were 12-13.
It doesn't hold up compared to like 5 other FPS released in 2004.

>>713939093 (OP)
I haven't played it, I moved to a country where the only GC game I acquired after moving there was a second hand copy of RE4, it was a first world country but I was the only person who had a Gamecube apart from the person who sold that 1 second hand copy of RE4 to an EB games.
I'm just waiting for that remaster, I hope they don't cheap out and just port it, or worse, just release it on the GC emulator.

>>713939093 (OP)
u wot m8

>>713953963

>>713967396

>>713966134
Why are you comparing it to FPS games

>>713939093 (OP)
The first sequel of every FPS is the best one.

>>713939729
yes, but immerse yourself properly. don't boot it up on a tiny emulator window, let the sound and atmosphere pull you in

>>713966134
Just because you played as a kid doesn't mean everyone else did. Everyone in this thread is very upfront that these games have some issues that aren't necessarily deal breakers but certainly annoying. Doesn't make them any less great, specially when there aren't that many imitators.

>>713951229
>see Warrior Ing
>shoot crystal with the annihilator beam
>it walks into the light and kills itself
Hardcore
>fight Emperor Ing's final phase
>fuckthatshit.jpg
>chew through his health regardless of which color he is
You're gonna want to remember that when the devs accidentally "fix" the screw attack in that fight's remake so the trick doesn't work anymore

>>713948037
To this day it amazes me how retro got something as good looking as Prime 3 running in the Wii. Actual tech Wizards

This music has that really great "hell" sound
https://youtu.be/NKYJD_duWqQ?feature=shared
Prime 2 makes me feel things

>>713970265
It's a shame people who play the Prime Trilogy version won't hear this song unless they go into the multiplayer menu.
The opening video in the GC version is missing too
https://youtu.be/4YRLIgWnHlo?feature=shared

>>713939093 (OP)
it has the best bosses, puzzles and exploration

>>713949302
If you drop mp2 you should kys. It's not even that hard.
>>713943171
Memorable* genius

>>713958419
I think he just wants random walls to break revealing hidden passages like every other Metroidvania instead of the passages being obvious but impossible to complete

>>713943395
>complaining about backtracking in a metroid game
I mean yeah. In Super Metroid and Dread you get new movement abilities that let you speed through backtracking.
Thats the general backtracking design meta in Metroid. Your traversal speeds up the more you explore.
In Prime 1 your only new movement ability is the grapple, and its heavily prescripted to a few areas.
Otherwise your stuck going at the same pace of a brisk jog throughout the whole game or having to morph ball dash, but the transition is into morph ball is so damn slow compared to the 2D games. And there are a lot of areas where morph ball dashing is discouraged due to platforming.

>>713939093 (OP)
The final boss series in this is amazing. First fight a multi-phase battle against the emperor, then a mirror match with DS as the whole dimension is collapsing, complete fucking kino.

>>713939693
>>713953326
I just had no idea people like this game, I only heard bitching about it and a few contrarians on /v/ praising it