How do we save the visual novel genre?

>>713939251 (OP)
AI.

Have actual conversations with the characters.

>>713939382
Unironically this, i've been somewhat thrown off after playing with a good AI for a few months and going back to reading VNs, the ability to just punch one character if he's acting like a Nigger is great, i hope that the integration between text and image gen comes together soon

>>713939556
Gotta be some limitations or something. I think having a shared experience is pretty important for quality/discussion.

>>713939251 (OP)
Visual novels evolved into gacha games. But the storytelling in gacha games has absolute abysmal pacing across the board, as the intent is to drag a story out for the life of its run rather than giving you a complete product from the start.

>>713939251 (OP)
You can't because the community who supported them doesn't really exist anymore.

>support EVNs
>don't pretend like the top handful of megapopular VNs are the only VNs in existence
I'm doing my part.

>visual novels are dying
Nah, we got WEGs now

>>713939251 (OP)
You can just have visual novel-style interactions with AI through SillyTavern now. I couldn't get the damn ComfyUI workflow someone made to work to generate the sprites for changing expressions so I haven't done it yet.

>>713939251 (OP)
>>713939382
>>713939556
why no one made a VN that uses AI to generate characters dialogue?
is running AI models locally (as it comes preloaded with the VN) impossible?

>>713939251 (OP)
Kill gachashittery.

>>713939683
>But the storytelling in gacha games has absolute abysmal pacing across the board

Same with VNs

>>713941105
Not impossible, but the VRAM needed to quickly generate good text is cost-prohibitive right now. You can't just assume that people will have it. Even a 5090 is somewhat limited with only 32GB of VRAM. Like I am mainly using a shitty small quant of a 70B model right now. Works pretty well, but that is the absolute limit of what I can do.

Unironically.

>>713939382
This. I just can't go back to traditional VNs after using AI chatbots.

>>713941105
might aswell be impossible - you'd need images aswell and thats not happening yet.

>>713940674
Are there any good ones that aren't irony poisoned metajokes

>>713942052
Images are actually way easier to generate than text.

>>713942764
There are plenty but I can only speak for the mystery side of things as dating sims do not interest me.

>>713941105
Text gen is good enough if you can deal with a few caveats, even smaller models can deliver a decent experience but image gen is just not there yet

just buy VNs instead of pirating them as per usual

>>713939251 (OP)
Just copy Disco Elysium and add a waifu

>>713941442
based

>>713943087
yeah but im talking accurate images alongside text. Then consider it has to be done live and locally, just nu-uh.

>>713943970
I mean I was messing with ComfyUI yesterday and I had a character that was very consistent while doing different stuff. It's come a long way recently.

>>713944098
character consistency is one thing but you still can't reliably get advanced actions from natural text

>>713939382
Isn’t this rather sad, imagine if movies went out of business because people were chatting with fake versions of the characters instead of going to the cinemas

>>713946763
No, that would be extremely based.

>>713939251 (OP)
What VN's did you anons get on steam? I got 7, the most I've gotten at one time before.

>>713948670
Recently got this, kamige incoming

>>713939251 (OP)
If we have Stop Killing Games, where is Stop Killing Visual Novels?

>>713949362
I liked Chaos;Child. I'm currently playing an EVN Crystalline. I don't think I've played one since Katawa Shoujo. One of the other ones I got was Gahkthun of the Golden Lightning. I've never heard anyone talk about that one before.

>>713948670
i bought decide 4 god and synesthesia. the former is the finale of a mystery trilogy so it require

>>713951461
They look cool. It looks like decide 4 god is inspired by Virtue's Last Reward. Another VN I got is Tokyo Babel. I've not played a VN that is as chuuni as this one seems like it'll be.

>>713941116
Her pupils look like a dick.

>>713952070
d4g is the final part of a mystery series so it does require two games of pre-investment but they're both pretty short and it's pure mystery no filler. it's a lot like the older infinity games. synesthesia so far feels like I/O or root double but condensed down to less than 10 hours

>>713952658
Good to know. I actually also got Root Double on sale.

I finally finished Fata Morgana, brehs
Felt like I was going insane by the end
Is the sequel any good or can I safely skip it?

>>713950825
How is Crystalline? I was thinking about playing it

>>713953390
good luck with root double, i hear it's up its ass with how long it takes to deliver what it does, too much talking and exposition dumps after expo dumps. one thing I've been liking about EVNs is that many of them are 10-20 hours and get to the point without fucking around.

>>713943152
Good mystery EVNs do not exist. The "good" western VNs are all subversive meta-shit (e.g., Slay the Princess).

>stop making vns where every heroine is a carbon copy of the others both in terms of looks and personality
>prose is cringe so stop describing every little detail of the riceball a character is eating
>if you want to include a fight scene stop making it a bunch of sprites being dragged around or shaking
>maybe include some semblance of a game between dialogues, like a card game or a pseudo flash game
or if budget allows it go the school days route and make the entire thing an anime

>>713939382
save, not kill

>>713953932
ok.

>>713939251 (OP)
We need Tsukihime 2

>>713953694
I'm still early so I can't say much, but it's pretty fun so far. There's a lot of choices, but you can't save during these junctures. Other than that I can't say much about the structure of the VN yet. There's been some simple minigames that determine how well the MC did in a couple fights too. In terms of production values it actually looks really good and everyone other than the MC has voice acting. It seems to have a focus on comedy in addition to romancing one of the heroines.

>>713941105
Someone made an escape room game with an obsessive AI girlfriend. The whole point is to chat and convince her to open the door. upset her too much and she kills you.
AI is a bit primitive but it's a good start.

>>713955098
why would you want to leave the room? that's bad game design

>>713939251 (OP)
Visual novels were never an alive genre to begin with.
Only failed writers work their way into VNs because VNs mask a lot of the flaws of "real" writing and allows retarded hackjobs to pass off garbage as high art.

>>713954891
>but you can't save during these junctures
I'm actually stupid. This is wrong. There are more choices than save slots though.

>>713953493
Reincarnation is basically an extended epilogue but it provides some decent closure, the prequel is really good though