ITT overrated games
Alien: Isolation
>The alien outstays his welcome and become a perpetual nuisance rather than something to be feared
>70% of the gameplay is peering out of a locker watching the alien stomp around like he's lost his glasses
>The rest of the gameplay is the same interminable fetch quests that plague "base fallen into chaos" games
>Perfunctory crafting system
>Survival horror with no opportunity for survival

Alien Isolation is a great game, it just has two main flaws
Arguably, it's too long. It might be the longest campaign-based horror game at almost 30 hours.
Inarguably, the Alien's tether AI system turns the game into a huge slog if you're actually getting immersed and playing afraid of it because you'll try to play slowly and carefully which repeatedly makes the Alien rubberband back into you making you spend minutes on end in a hiding spot
the rest are nitpicks but it's a 8-9/10 game

the biggest flaw is the alien is leashed to the player in such a tiny radius the vast majority of any encounters are easily avoidable and the rest of the game is walk around, oh no door is locked, backtrack to dead body who has a key, oh no the alien came out i totally didn't expect that haha, time to crouch walk to the exit and do it all over again in the next level.

You literally kill the alien halfway through the game

Only part I dislike is how I can't skip the flashback sequence on the derelict ship, and the part where you have to turn on the generators.

>>713957963
>turns the game into a huge slog if you're actually getting immersed and playing afraid of it because you'll try to play slowly and carefully which repeatedly makes the Alien rubberband back into you
Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I really enjoyed the first portion until Mr Xeno showed up. Just very atmospheric. I can't really take a moment to enjoy the atmosphere anymore because I have to dive into a cupboard every thirty seconds.

I fucking love this game so it automatically incinerates all critics targeting it negatively.

>>713958195
Just play like you're being timed on your completion in the xenomorph stealth sections and it'll totally turn around, the Xeno AI actively tries to ruin the game if you don't play like this.

>>713957796 (OP)
>70% of the gameplay is peering out of a locker
Try not playing on easy mode. The lockers were added after the game and Alien were designed. They're for casual players like yourself.

>>713958306
Thanks I'll give that a try right now
I definitely feel like I'm doing something wrong

i just finished it for the first time last month. i thought it was insultingly shitty. having the alien constantly be no more than 50 in-game yards of you made each and every walk down a hallway just a dice roll of whether or not you survived and completely undercut the aesthetic premise that you're on a huge derelict industrial ship. the sense of negative space those kind of places convey is completely lost if you're inches away from the monster all times. you can use your piss spray bottle to create space but that's just a pretty shallow layer of resource management on top of the bad main gameplay and also functions as a "saving roll" on top of the initial dice roll if that makes sense.

>>713958116
crouch walking doesn't make you quieter

>>713958195
Just use the untethering mod, lol. Especially if you've beaten it vanilla before.

>>713958382
>Completely undercut the aesthetic premise that you're on a huge derelict industrial ship
It wasn't always the same xenomorph you fucking retard, "the xenomorph" was always around because the ship was INFESTED with them

>>713958195
hiding in lockers is the worst strategy, they're supposed to be a last resort
best practice is to keep moving and hide behind objects when necessary

>>713958649
i know, everyone brings up this plot point, i don't care. so instead of being stalked by an alien we're bumping into dozens of them like we're in a chinese grocery store. it still undercuts the aesthetic in the exact same way and doesn't address that the fundamentals of the gameplay are just tedious. even if you blitz through it instead of hiding like a pussy it's just kind of luck that the xeno doesn't rubberband to the nearest grate and sprint for you.

i really dont understand why people bring this spoiler up at all. plot twists dont make gameplay better.

>>713958703
Retards don't get this and think the only way to hide is to be in a locker because other horror games did it.

why are space horrors so fucking long? really feels like each massively overstay their welcome
>prey
>dead space 1
>alien isolation
alien isolation probably the most egregious of them all. there were like 3-4 points in the game where it felt like credits were about to roll, yet it kept on going on and on

>>713958996
>Plot negates retarded complaint
>Swaps to backup complaint
>Clearly hasn't even tried the blitz strategy because if he had he wouldn't be saying it doesn't work like that
don't bother posting again unless you post proof of your skin color and your TESTED IQ being at least 100

>>713959178
>I bet you think you're bored of this gameplay
>Well think again: this plot twist, while not changing the gameplay in any way, completely negates your experience

>>713959109
>there were like 3-4 points in the game where it felt like credits were about to roll,
where was the first one? so i can tell whether or not you're making a legitimate complaint.

>>713959178
>plot negatea
no it doesnt. the huge number of xenomorph encounters still make the exploration feel cramped at all times except for the android shooting gallery section, and the gameplay is still just run down hallway on your way to the keycard and hope the alien doesnt essentially autokill you.

great presentation, extremely grating gameplay

>>713959364
I'm not him but there was only one moment where I actively thought the game was trying to avoid ending, which was when Amanda is grabbing a suit to hop to the Torrens, just for a Xeno to pop out, knock her out, and stick her in a wall goop nest mount thing which does nothing but delay that same objective by five more minutes of playtime
Though I have also considered that it was a last-minute addition on purpose because it opens a sequel up to revealing that Amanda got facehugged while unconscious, giving A:I2 an Alien 3 kind of plot

>>713958382
>i thought it was insultingly shitty
stfu. if you want to call its premise failed fine but it's not insultingly shitty, you have a completely warped perception of a bad game.

>>713957796 (OP)
Flamethrower was a mistake. It completely guts the game

>>713957796 (OP)
A huge portion of the game has no alien at all

>>713959634
good luck doing that hive level w/o one

>>713959679
For one level I would allow it, but it makes even the nightmare difficutly a fucking joke

>>713959536
that's fair. the ending climax portion of the game definitely dragged on too long. I'm just wary of people who think something like the gemini airlock bit would have been an appropriate stopping point
>yup amanda you killed the only alien on board mission accomplished!
played completely straight.

>>713959549
i disagree. what i care first and foremost about is gameplay and my engagement with it. this game strung me along doing the same five repetitive tasks in the most tedious way possible, but lures me in with the incredible sound design and such that i stick with it. meaning all it has is just enough presentation to have fooled me. other shitty games are apparently shitty at a glance, and generally aren't hailed as a pillar in a genre. i sunk 30 hours into this game only for it to feel like a waste of my life at the end. that's the insult. i was genuinely mad at myself during the credit roll for not quitting after the marshall betrays you and just calling it good there.

>>713959634
what the flamethrower represents is absolutely necessary, a way for you to have extended confrontations with the alien instead of the hidden and dead binary. but it is too safe to use and ammo is too generous.

>>713959879
>that's the insult.
it is no way an insult. learn what words mean.

>>713960024
it's hyperbole you pedantic moron. i dont mean that the developers literally were trying to call me a faggot via coding the xeno ai, i mean that the game was so bad i took actual offense to it. the same way that i don't mean that you ACTUALLY gargle cum but are instead just a general nuisance

>>713960280
>i mean that the game was so bad i took actual offense to it
histrionic faggot.

>Alien Isolation was so bad I took offense to it
what I would give to be a fly on the wall of the mind of people this mentally disabled

>>713960329
>>713960341
>acting above it all on 4chan
i will never understand you niggers. this is a website for austism and schadenfreud. what did you want, an ign review? the game pissed me off the 37th time i died to the xeno and i realized there wasnt going to be a fun payoff.

ah, you made the bait too obvious and ruined the fun
damn

>>713960645
You will never die to the alien if you pay attention

>>713958176
>and the part where you have to turn on the generators.
isn't that the only thing you do in the second half of the game?

>>713960769
absolute horseshit for a blind playthrough on hard and you know it.

>>713958561
This actually. It only loosens his leash a little bit and gives you time to read an email in peace before he comes clomping up the hallway

>>713960826
You are aware of the motion tracker, right? You just press space to use it

>>713957963
>30 hours

lmao what. yea its long, but its like 12-14 hours, not 30.

>>713960928
glibly listing a core mechanic doesn't cover for the retarded assertion that someone playing blind for the first time on hard will pull off a deathless run. you aren't fooling anyone.

>>713960645
>this horror game based on a hunter stalker premise with experimental radiant AI doesn't actually have air tight sound gameplay? WOW WTF it just menacingly patrols while you hide? I'M FUCKING PISSED.

>>713961096
none of that pile of cope will make the time i spent with this game retroactively enjoyable. yes, i got mad that i spent my limited time and money on a very well produced but shitty game. yes i have enough autism to warn others about my experience. cry more, fagget

>>713957796 (OP)
isolation I great but ign completely buck broke the fans in to defending every flaw in the game like its length and the fact most of the game is fetch quest while you avoid the annoying robots

It was pointless for the MC be Ripley's daughter, a plot point that was rightly cut from Aliens.

>>713962616
>a plot point that was rightly cut from Aliens.
if it were perfect it wouldn't have been cut but I think the extent cameron focuses on ripley's transformation into a mother figure calls for some kind of supporting backstory. my memory of the theatrical cut is foggy though so maybe they do fill that in another way.

>>713963560
In Alien she comes across like a workaholic officer, who seems like the kind of person who never would have had time for kids. She isn't even the main character particularly until near the end.
And in the Aliens theatrical cut, by caring for Newt, it comes across like she's discovering a side of herself she didn't know about, out of neccesity.
So I think that's actually undermined by her having a daughter who died offscreen, and whom she never appears to think about again except in that cut scene in the hospital.

>>713963842
fair enough.

>>713959017
This, hiding under tables is very valid

>>713965098
Hiding at all is a kwab move. Just unclog your ears and keep moving

A major immersion breaker was all the espresso machines
Given the retrofuture theme, it should have been drip filter coffee or instant

>>713957796 (OP)
I stopped playing early on because I was 30 minutes in and did nothing but walking.

>>713957796 (OP)
I honestly don't understand the hype.
Swinging is fun for 2 hours but the rest is tower unlocking ubislop.

>>713957796 (OP)
I needed the locker breaks to masturbate.

>>713965856
>retrofuture theme
Espresso machines usually are retro even today because it's a thing having a retro machine and not a "contemporary" one.

>>713971813
All I'm saying is the Alien setting (not Aliens) is the 1970s in space and 70s space truckers aren't using an espresso machine

>>713957796 (OP)
Literally all stealth games are overrated as hell, at least mechanically.
Stealth is always just a test of your patience and nothing else. Normally that's considered a bad thing when talking about video games.

>>713957796 (OP)
>70% of the gameplay is peering out of a locker
Cuz you are dumb as shit. I think i hide in a locker at most 3-4 times in a level. Also you probably don't play on hard or nightmare.
I bet you also crabwalk everywhere going two meters per minute lmao.

>>713971903
>70s space truckers aren't using an espresso machine
I... don't get it. Is an espresso machine some kind of luxury item in your country? For me is so common in a rest area being that a bar a pub a service station or whatever.

>>713971942
>is always just a test of your patience and nothing else
This is because steatlh games are stacked in favor of the player.
There is a mod for aylmao which drastically improves the alien AI and you see it checking lockers and under the tables more often. You litterally can't hide and wait because he's gonna get you if it believes you are in that area it will check every nook and cranny.
Not relevant to a pure stealth game in the last hitman's game enemies start to prowl around and check hiding spots more often if you alert them, usually in groups so you cant just go around them and stealth your way out.
You just need to improve enemy ai and remove all the player supposed "safeties" to have a better stealth.

>>713972132
Do you live in the 1970s? Of course espresso machines are common now everywhere, in the 21st century
But they were not common in 1979 which is when Alien aesthetically takes place

>>713972417
This could work if it's possible for the player to remain completely undetected. In the alien case you would have to cut out the scripted events where he sneaks up on you.

>>713972652
>But they were not common in 1979
Brah you know espresso machines were commercialized at the beginning of the 900? Around 1930 they were everywhere in america and europe. If you want a more precise date, the piston patch (which brought the modern espresos machine as the one you see in alien) was created around the 60's. I was alive during the 90's there were machines older than my mom.

>>713957796 (OP)
>used only a single item throughout the entire game
>otherwise just sneaked away from the alien or android
whee that was easy
I did install that one Alien improvement mod that makes it so he is not glued to your ass 24/7 without properly knowing where you are first

>>713972417
Well do you actuall have options when it finds you? And how much control do you even have over not ending up in that position?

>>713957796 (OP)
The map was also a mess & I hated that the game was littered with ankle high obstructions & literal non puzzles of "copy this pattern exactly" that only exist to make pad the game length. Its also triple perhaps even quadruple the length it should be given just how repetitive & lacking in variety it is.

>>713957963
You're a stupid fucking gen-Zer who will never have a unique opinion about anything.
It's why you losers listen to e-celesb on Youtube talk about Dark Souls' combat system for 6 hours AND SOMEHOW YOU STILL COME OUT LEARNING NOTHING.

>>713957963
The mod that removes the tether makes the game way more enjoyable and immersive. Vanilla is a "peek behind the curtain" slog that is only bearable if you metagame, genuinely goes from a 7 to a 9 with that mod

>>713972417
the hitman AI is ridiculously bad it doesn't serve as a good example

>>713958649
>theres an explanation for why the thing you're complaining about is logical in the game, this means you have to enjoy that aspect of the game you didn't like
lol

We need to talk about Matt Filer's game editor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttdUNLrQbw4
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3367530/OpenCAGE/8xk2

>>713965619
>purposely ignore the alien
>he gets upset by this and sulks off somewhere

>>713962025
the game being long has always been a meme, i don"t get it. i've finished it multiple times and found the pacing an issue

>>713973539
I just tought of that specific istance because i am actually playing it as an example.

>>713971942
>Normally that's considered a bad thing when talking about video games.
LMAO yeah sure
It"s not like a lot of gamers are ADHD zoomers who are unable to stop and think for one seconr
it's not like DS2 was shat on by scrubs who were running through levels and getting ganked at the fog door for not engaging with the level design

>>713974246
>DS2 level design
Yeah that game is famous for its intricate design, its really shocking they tried to railroad players into fighting the trash mobs since it was so fulfilling to explore for its own sake.

>>713972971
You actually have more control than it seems, especially with the right mods. Vanilla kind of railroads you into "oh no it found me, better reload" situations because the AI is semi-scripted and tied to player proximity more than logic half the time. But with modded AI where the alien reacts more believably-like it searches where you made noise, loses interest over time, doesn't warp across the map-yeah, evasion and stealth become way more tactical. You can plan diversions, sneak routes, and even recover mid-chase with enough spatial awareness.

It's just that the base game’s design punishes exploration and improvisation. Once you're caught, it's kind of "welp, back to the last locker checkpoint." No real chase mechanics or tools beyond throwing a flare and praying. So mods really flip it into a system where you succeed or fail based on how clever your strategy is, not a dice roll on whether the alien felt like checking your hiding spot.

>>713976327
OP here, this sounds neat. I might install these mods

>>713957796 (OP)
Drop the alien, the useless guns, and the crafting. The game might be almost bearable then.

No M41A Pulse Rifle
No buy

>>713959109
I don't get this complaint. "I like this game, I want less of it."

the start of the game is so atmospheric in VR.
then it goes shit

>>713957796 (OP)
a godlike game ruined by no randomness of the alien. It just would've worked so much better if it was random.

I would have liked a bit more integration of the rewire boxes. More of them, and more useful for distracting enemies

>>713960982
>12-14
If you rush through it on the easiest difficulty maybe. It took me 20 hours to beat without combing through every area for collectibles.

>>713957963
wow, you are right, it took me 29.8 hours to finish it.

Yeah, a bit of cutting would be benefitial to the game.

Still, the retro scifi atmosphere is great and I enjoyed it a lot