How's everyone enjoying the System Shock 2 remaster?

>>713962837 (OP)
is good so far. first play through

>he paid for mods that somehow make the game look worse

>>713962837 (OP)
I'll play it when I'd done with Ponterbee Station. Anyone know where Core Control 1 of Hydroponics is located? Looked all over the place but couldn't find it anywhere.

>>713966237
NTA but I got it for free because I pre-ordered the SS1 Remake.

I feel like this has quietly fallen off the face of the Earth already. Anyone want a list of some of the more interesting changes or comparison shots? Might keep the thread alive

>>713967532
probably because this has done nothing new that mods didn't already do 10 years ago

>>713967532
I'm lurking but I'll read it. I played SS2 back in the day and I'm certain to play this new one at some point.

>>713967638
They did clean up multiplayer quite a lot and changed many of the O/S upgrades. But, yeah for its price that's not enough change

>>713967638
It fixed co-op something even the mods couldn't do

>>713967784
Okay so some of the more substantial ones

>Game vault on menu which has artwork, manuals, the prima walkthrough guide, cutscenes, the soundtrack, unused voice lines, interviews and promotional videos
>Cutscenes are at 1080p up from about 240p originally. Completely redone with new assets
>The four robot announcers for the UNN recruitment facility / yearly postings have changed but retain similar accents to their counterparts
>Weapon reload animations added.
>Restored The Many and SHODAN audio on parts of the Ops / Recreation decks
>Laser overcharge abuse glitch from the launch version has returned so you can just alternate the mode to instantly overcharge it again
>Chunks of protocol droids come off as you damage them
>Security expert O/S upgrade now also makes you invisible to all robots while security is hacked
>Shotgun hybrids no longer have a shotgun with 1 round of ammo left, instead they just have an extra round in their inventory. This means you no longer have to unload their shotguns
>Various character models have moving lips, including SHODAN in her special ingame cutscene
>Fusion cannon, viral proliferator and annelid launcher seem to be doing substantially more damage
>A pool halfway through the body of the many now acts as a trap which swallows and kills you
>Hacked turrets no longer attack unhacked turrets
>Transmitter plays a distress call from Cortez on a loop when activated
>System Shock 1 virtual reality segment better reflects the original game. They added many of the original assets and sound effects. You can even destroy the computer screens
>Dance floor in recreation has music now
>Bullets shot at walls now leave markings. Casings also drop from the gun onto the ground

I played it for the first time a few years ago and liked it. I'll replay it on the remaster soon.
What's the hardest way I can play through the game? Highest difficulty and a pure psi build?

>>713968751
Impossible difficulty, Navy start, no upgrades would probably be the absolute hardest way. If you were upgrading you could dump into less than useful psi skills or repair. It will be pretty much impossible though because any laser turret would just kill you instantly.

Very good, it even supports mods for the previous version.
>>713967638
The big thing mods couldn't fix was multiplayer, the paper character models and weapon animations.

I already have SS2 Original. Should I buy the Remaster?

Or maybe I should buy Prey instead?

>>713968751
OSA starts hard,
becomes potentially batshit broken towards the end.

I did Navy -> OSA during my first 2 playthroughs years ago.

Yea, i don't think i will pay 28 goddamn dollars for a mod pack that looks worse than the original version

>>713969387
>Should I buy the Remaster?
Nah, not really. Only if you get it for a dollar or so.

>PREY instead?
Which one? The 2006 shooter, or the 2016 shitty Bethesda slop?

>>713969387
Remaster is too pricey at the moment just get Prey

>>713968468
Sounds pretty alright. I'll buy it when it's on sale.

>including SHODAN in her special ingame cutscene
Read that as "her special lingerie cutscene" Call the horny police

>>713969409
Environment looks way better. It's only the enemy models which suck

no

>>713969387
Get Prey. Ignore that other wanker, Prey may be woke but it's not slop.

>>713969387
>Should I buy the Remaster?
No
>Or maybe I should buy Prey instead?
Yes. It's the true successor to the System Shock franchise, Bioschlock doesn't hold a candle to it.

>>713966469
Oh shit I played that recently. Dont you have to smash a window and walk over some steamy water in that deck?

>>713969521
dunno, everything looks way too glossy and clean. Hi-res textures are cool and all but i prefer gritty look of aliased original at 720p or something.

>>713966469
*when I'm

>>713969397
>OSA starts hard
I always choose it because it provides the most cyber modules (in skills) out of the box in addition to psi tiers 1 and 2 which are full of useful skills.

>>713969682
I think I did that but I don't remember there being a door with a code lock.

>>713969579
Prey is not fucking woke

>>713969697
yeah that is the other side of the argument
I was hoping they would be able to have both on offer at the same time and you could just switch between them

>>713969802
Everyone's gay

>Take my hand
>Take my whole life, too
>For I can't help falling in love with you
>For I can't help falling in love with you

>>713969853
I can only think of four. Danielle, Abigail, Mikhaila and Morgan (female). Out of 267 employees that doesn't seem like a stretch

>>713969976
We're caught in a trap
I can't walk out
Because I love you too much, baby

ACK!

>>713970029
That's a lot out of the people who you come into contact with. Also there's Connolly and Mendez. I can only remember one staight couple being mentioned.

Is there any censorship?

>>713970430
What could they even censor?

>>713970430
I didn't encounter any. I haven't listened to every audio log exhaustively but there's definitely no censoring of any violence or things like the "sensual simulation bots"

>>713968468
I don't like, too crisp. The magic of the old graphics comes from it's ability to engage your imagination.

>>713970430
they added some lgbt audio logs hinting at shoden being an MtF AI and now the many have dialogues about "we must live in unity, do not let the flesh divide us like the wall back on earth" (a thinly veiled reference to the USA-Mexico border wall)

>>713971729
Mandalore is that you?

I beat an OSA playthrough last night.
>>713969245
Horrendously ugly ss2jaks, impressive.

I haven't played the original in a while, but this feels very similar to me. I guess I expected more of an overhaul like SS1, but I know that doesnt really make sense

>Want SS2 with fixed coop
>This still doesn't have fixed coop

>>713962837 (OP)
waiting for an viable VR profile. Since its not unreal engine its going to have to be VorpX

>>713972194
Yep, the one thing they needed to actually fix up from the original and it's barely functional. At least they're probably going to patch it, but I don't know what they've been doing for years if not QA testing shit at all.

>entire vault, all mission files and sound / music can still be easily unzipped in the main file directory
neat

What exactly is the point of this remaster why do they think adding hands to the guns and upscaling the textures (both have already been done with mods) is worth $30?

>>713971729
in reality this is the only audio log they added back
https://shodan.fandom.com/wiki/Testing_My_Patience

>>713972560
Please dump the prerelease screenshots

>>713972694
main focus is probably the multiplayer
it was to have VR as well but the Zuck took away funding or support

>>713972131
>>713968468
didn't they do some balance touches like making exotics less garbage?

>>713967830
>>713967849
>>713969245
who the fuck plays ss2 multiplayer

>>713972753
If you want. There's too many so I'll just post the earliest ones.

>>713972843
Can you upload them to imgur it would be easier

>>713972790
Yeah like I said I think the annelid launcher and viral proliferator damage has been buffed. The proliferator is leaving a very nasty damage over time effect on annelids and it's even area based, I don't remember that. Problem is the requirement for the annelid launcher still sits at 6 exotic / 6 research / 3 str / 3 agi which is just absurd

>>713972942
I don't have an account nor really want one.

>>713973071
Oh I didn't know you needed an account

>>713972694
They also improved all the models. Yes I know there are mods that do that too but they are all shit.

Yes, the price is too high, but modded System Shock was never anywhere near how good this remaster is. You'd know if you played SS2 with HD mods and then played this remaster like I did.

>>713973239
The new models still look like shit they look like action figures now

>>713972843
This one is definitely the coolest

>>713972942
It's an image board and it keeps the only good thread on /v/ bumped so I'd prefer if he posts them here anyway.

>>713973308
They just look like ps2 versions of the originals

>>713973557
>ps2 versions of the originals
System Shock 2 for the PS2.
Could it have worked?

>>713973557
You mean like the half life hd models? They are notoriously bad

>>713973669
Probably. Looking Glass was actually working on Dreamcast ports for Thief 1 and 2 and System Shock 2 but they got cancelled

>>713968468
a lot of the stuff you mentioned isn't even from the remaster but the mods that they packaged with it

nightdive sucks and no one should waste money on this when most of its enhancements come from 10+ year old mods they stole from systemshock.org, but it got me to replay the original 3 times, so i guess that counts for something
>>713968468
the cursed shodan lipsync animations are new, and i don't remember the rec transmitter playing a distress call, but otherwise, the vast majority of these changes were made by scp. nightdive didn't bother including the newest beta release from april, either because they're retarded
>>713973669
>System Shock 2 for the PS2
theoretically, there's an alternate timeline where looking glass didn't go bankrupt in 2000 and we got ss2 on the dreamcast instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrlTEWEprk0
newdark and the last 10+ years of thief and ss2 modding and nightdive, lmao would never have happened if the dark engine's source code hadn't leaked from a dc dev kit though, so it'd be a double-edged sword

>>713973976
Was SCP part of SS2 Tool? I never used SCP before

>>713962837 (OP)
i heard there's weapon durability
is there?

So, how many builds you can do now in remaster ? my brain still stuck with OG mindset, so i just go PSI wrench

>>713974630
Yes
Your ranged weapons degrade with use and break. You can use the maintenance skill and maintenance tools to keep them in good condition. If they break you can use the repair skill to fix them but their condition will stay low until you maintain them.

>>713974730
Nothing substantially changed

>>713974739
lame.
i am no longer interested.

Yeah im never playing this troon-coded game

>>713974439
System Shock 2 25th Anniversary Edition Demaster

>>713974827
it's not a big issue
it's like occasionally using a repair hammer in oblivion

>>713974810
The builds regarding traits are way different at least. Pretty sure you'd only ever pick different traits if you were maining a melee weapon or something. I didn't even take Pack Rat in my playthrough of the remaster because some of the others were actually good now.

>>713975015
>needless busywork that takes away from the ACTUAL GAME
like i said, lame + no longer interested.

Was the cargo bay always doom 3 dark?

>>713975149
>spend literally 3 seconds dragging a tool from inventory to a weapon to maintain it
>I will no longer play your game

>>713974492
no, scp requires ss2tool and they both do different things (scp is an unofficial patch for the ss2 itself, ss2tool is an installer that sets up newdark/a mod manager/etc.)
technically, ss2tool is currently outdated since someone released a surprise newdark update last month, but it hasn't been accepted by the community yet since it was posted by a different developer, so i guess it's still fine?

>>713975251
correct.
>shoot pistol five times
>AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH IM BROKEN!!!!
>open inventory
>drag repair kit onto pistol
>shoot pistol five times
>AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM BROKEN!!!!!!
this isnt fun, i will NOT play your game if it includes something so inherently anti-fun
there is exactly ONE game that durability actually improves, and thats vintage story because the smithing minigame is fun.

>>713975156
the one with 2? rooms with 2-3 floors each full of shipping crates and containers? Don't think so.

>>713975447
not to mention how guns already HAVE a limiting mechanic: ITS CALLED AMMO

>>713975447
I don't know why you think anyone cares for your durability preferences and whether you will play the game or not lol

>>713962837 (OP)
I don't fuck with remakes or remasters. Plus it just generally looks worse.
But I will give them credit, it looks like they fixed the busted-ass online co-op mod that shipped with the original - played that a lot back in the day and it crashed every third loading screen. If you're looking to co-op this is probably the version you want. Hopefully they just let you turn the lazy retextures off.

hmmm

>>713976679
Why'd they change the glow on the sign?

>>713976749
Because it's on Bluray

>>713976749
it just alternates between red and blue usually so the screenshot was taken when it was blue

>>713966526
Oh is that why I got it for free? I was a bit confused when I saw it in my library lol

Okay I see now so they completely redid all of the robot announcer voices in the tutorial / shuttle area just because SCP added a camera tutorial in for technical skills with a different voice?

Holy shit Nightdive

>>713977042
A Nightdive Dev on the steam forum said they changed it because the original voice over explicitly mentioned the default controls the game shipped with, which isn't what the default controls are in the remaster.

>>713977139
that sounds more reasonable

>>713962837 (OP)
>no discount for owners of the original
Cunt move desu

>>713971865
what happened to that guy

I gotta admit, including the prima guide is fuckin' neat. I don't need it. Beat it without any guide the first time, but still, makes me nostalgic and gives me that warm fuzzy feeling.

The bastards stole her kimono.

>>713962837 (OP)
I have never played system shock 2

>>713977640
Well you should, Mr. Dafoe.

>>713975447
>5 times
It's RNG really. I've sometimes got 30 shots out of a terrible shotgun (1 on the repair scale).
And there's plenty of guns around especially once you hit deck 4. You don't need to use maintenance tools at all. The main benefit of the maintenance skill is it increases how much charge implants and other charged items hold.

>>713977315
>pricey
>no discount
well played Nighdive, well played

>diagonal move remains faster

>>713977780
Replaying this fucked me up, I was sure there was a recycler in the crew quarters or lounge. Guess my memory got crosswired.

>>713977927
>jumping puzzles are still a nightmare

>>713978045
There are no actual jumping puzzles apart from like twice on the Rickenbacker. Everything on the Von Braun is more like "use telekinesis for this, it's a bonus item for psi users" that you can brute force with jumping and mantling.

>>713978139
There are at least a couple on the Von Braun where you have to jump to the first section before you can pull the items because they're hidden behind a visual obstruction.

>>713971236
You can change to the old graphics if you want.

>>713978778
It's not about it. You're missing the point.

>>713978778
I wish I could keep the HD environments and gun models but turn off the HD enemy models. Some of them are fine but others are really bad, I hate the new hybrids especially. The mouth movement during dialogue need to go too.

>>713962837 (OP)

Finished it. Didn't manage to find all the audio logs, I assume this'll be the hardest achievement to get due to two points of no return but I don't care enough to redo it. Maybe I'll give it a shot during my next yearly replay.

Overall it was pretty good, I noticed the kept some additions mods made (like Korenchkin's office or the suction trap inside BoTM) instead of just bug fixes/graphical redos

Guys, am I going insane, or is there really no way to load a quicksave at the main menu, short of loading an auto or manual save and hitting the quickload button?
Also, why the FUCK am I not allowed to rebind quicksave/load to the function keys?

>>713979030
Here I was thinking Nightdive made these changes but I'm doing a playthrough with SCP and finding that they really didn't do much at all in terms of gameplay

>>713977972
hack a replicator on deck 4 to get access to the recycler.

>>713962837 (OP)
jumped the gun
not out on ps5 yet rather get it on there than steam. actually have friends on psn for the coop mode

Really the best part of this release is comparability with modern rendering APIs. I tried playing the original again after a remaster playthrough and the frame rate just looks like shit even though I get like 200fps.

>>713978139
>>713978478
>pull items
cryokineses can knock items down.

>>713962837 (OP)
they will release a remake a year from now and cuck all of you

>>713979316
Nightdive does not have the resources for that.

>>713979374
They remade the first one, its just a matter of time.

>>713979415
See you in 7 years.

>>713979415
you might want to check how long it took them to remake ss1
hell it took them SIX YEARS just to do this remaster

>>713979316
Being honest I wish tencent would let nightdive buy or use the license to SS3 and develop that instead.

I did not care for the SS1 remake.

>>713977972
>>713979248

I only managed to get the replicator from a broken replicator on the Rickenbacker, where Tommy/Rebecca are chased by a Rumbler

>>713979590
I preferred it to the original SS1. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed both, but god damn the interface is infuriating in the original. Sonar Shock really reminded me how annoying that was.

>>713979248
>hoard every recyclable item from every deck on the elevator for when I get this
I can't be the only one with this much autism.

>>713979752
Yep, same with all the chemicals.
>d-don't carry all them chemicals around with you, it's a waste of time
SHUT UP SHODAN, I'll do what I want.

>>713979716
I hate the creative liberties they took by changing the music and the stupid new cutscenes, completely killed the tone of the game.

>>713979752
A few bits and bobs (some obscured in the corners).

Weren't worms supposed to disappear when picked from the ground into beakers?

>>713979897
I FORGOT THE FUCKING BASKETBALL I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF

>>713979590
They cut most enemy and texture types and just turned it into a really monotonous experience.
SS1 is jank as fuck, sci-fi Ultima Underworld that's too heavy on the action to function as one but doesn't translate to freecam WASD cleanly at all - but it was fast, and interesting. The remake binned all that in favour of being able to strafe without your character lurching first.

So yeah I agree.

>>713979834
I agree with you on that, especially the sound. Apparently the reason we got blaring techno in SS2 is because SS1's ambient contextual sound cues weren't recognized enough by players so they didn't think it was worth the dev time, a crying shame because it was one of the highlights of the original.
That said, the remake is still good fun, and honestly different enough to make both worth playing depending on the vibe you want. At the very least, you can feel Nightdive absolutely made it with love for the genre.

It feels like I'm playing really clean Half-life

>>713968468
Are all/most of these things previously just mods for the original version?

>>713980163
yes

>>713980163
Yeah, they also moved it all to the KEX engine which is way more stable on modern machines, but it's more or less the same experience if you just install mods on the original.

>>713979590
I just got done replaying it ahead of starting SS2, and I don't think my opinion has improved since release. At least this time it correctly registered finishing the game on 3-3-3-3 difficulty. Seems like they reworked the final boss too, though I wouldn't call it much of an improvement.

>>713979312
or you could just shoot them with a gun

>>713980240
Fun fact they are not using the latest version of SCP. I think the texture mod is outdated too. So if you're starting a game look into updating those.

>>713980420
>two items on a ledge
>one cryo blast or two bullets
Cryo everytime.

>>713980240
>>713980302
OK, I'm not bothering with the remaster then.

did they add a Thief tier level editor?

>>713980519
It's actually pretty nice honestly because of this >>713979301
Unless I'm missing some kind of setting in new dark for the original, it just does not feel "smooth" even at 250fps.

>>713972843
I watched old trailer for the game.
Lol, holy shit, this marketing was like 10 times worse than one Prey got in 2017.

The game doesn't have quick save or auto save..?

Wait a minute... that card!

>>713979374
I'm sure another kickstarter will be no trouble after the SS1 fiasco.

>>713980841
It has both in the same slot because fuck you that's why.
Alt+S and Alt+L by default.

>>713980158
i love how clean and sharp it looks, modern rendering techniques were a mistake

>>713968468
>the prima walkthrough guide
Sold, I love this shit.

>>713969802
it is woke but it doesn't detract from the experience for me as much because of course a big gay corpo space station would fuck up that badly

>>713962837 (OP)
Will I like the System Shock remake if I hate Bioshock?

>impossible difficulty
>OSA
>enemies one hit kill you
Oh boy this is going to be fun.

>>713981215
QRD? What happened with the Kickstarter? I knew it was there but I haven't followed it in years.

>>713982572
they couldn't make up their mind about what the game should be - a full modernized remake or a faithful one we ended up with
also kept changing the engine from unity to ue4 and back
overall took them 8 years to finally release it

>>713982541
Only an issue until you get the armor in medsci 2 which is like 5 minutes into the game. Psycho reflective screen is useful if you trigger an alarm to absorb some extra damage.
You can take tank for an extra 10hp but I skipped that shit.

>>713982539
Bioshock is a lame, slow console shooter, they're only superficially comparable.

I want to fuck shodan so bad

>>713982763
>lame, slow console shooter
sounds like ss1 remake to me

>>713982541
Hold S, you are now invincible to pipe hybrids. You're welcome.

>>713962837 (OP)
I'll grab it when it's $20
>>713966237
Watch some videos. It looks really good. Worth $30 good for a game you already have and have played? Eh

>>713982821
Oh, my brain skipped over the "remake" bit.
Yeah if you hate Bioshock, SSR is a close bedfellow.

>>713973976
I wonder if there is a way to backport some of the creature, weapon models, some FMV's, UI changes and animations back to the new dark version? Because aside from that everything else was already fixed with mods I also liked that alarming camera one because it made the game more tense and hacking very necessary.

>Can't hack anything without putting a point on hack
oops I should've chosen the tech

>>713962837 (OP)
I don't like how they changed SHODAN's avatar model and the many area could use some work. Otherwise is a solid update, but its overpriced.

>>713983530
It's one of those games where you shouldn't feel bad about restarting to remake your build. For me the best start is Navy/Hack/Weapons/Agility.

I've been playing the SS1 remake before trying out the SS2 remaster. I've never played SS1 before and I am gonna lose my fucking mind with how nightmarishly constrained the inventory is. Having my actual inventory be tight is one thing I can understand, but the Cargo Lift secure box being only 4x4 is completely insane. I'm only carrying half my guns and I can't even fit the rest in Cargo, plus I have all of these unvaporizable items which I assume are key items that I'm gonna need later that I'm more or less just dumping on the ground next to the lift in the Research Labs because I don't know when I'm ever gonna actually need it.
>>713977315
The discount is on GOG. You do own the original on GOG, right?

>>713967638
They should just call them what they are; updated, modernized re-releases convenient to the public. To endlessly call these games "remasters" has completely changed the meaning of the term. What is a "remaster" now? A different aspect ratio and Xbox controls?

>>713972696
This isn't even added back by the remaster, IIRC it is just restored in the normal steam version as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ChQI6_fKYY
get me out now

>>713985901
for me, it's Engineering ambience
https://youtu.be/23ewrKL3b38?feature=shared
FUCK that shit, man.

>Shodan constantly insults and belittles you
>calls you a good boy whenever you done a good job but in a still demeaning way
so this is what it feels like to be in a sub dom relationship

>>713988248
You've posted this before, hacker.

>>713979752
You're not. I do that too. Yes, every potted plant, cap, magazine and coffee cup comes along to hang out near the elevator too... that's gotta add up to about 1 psi hypos worth it credits by the end of the game, right?

>>713980784
I play Thief FMs all the time, so I'm used to NewDark.

>>713988820
how did the games sell in Japan? I imagine not well

Wife.

>>713988606
nah

>>713989447
I mean the archives are right there

>>713989614
go home shodan you drunk

Okay so when you start a new game you can select what preinstalled mods you want to use but then you're stuck using them for the rest of that particular game, right? I was hoping you could at least switch the graphics ones off and on.

>>713988820
Not sure but my headcanon is that the Fromsoft guys must have played it because the final level of King's Field 2 (1 in the US) seems clearly inspired by System Shock to me. It wouldn't surprise me if they were into PC dungeon crawlers at the time and played it considering King's Field's genre.

>>713990880
meant to quote
>>713988851

>>713985717
that's weird, I don't have any of those information terminals in my game
did you turn SCP off or something?

>>713991082
There's some QoL mod included in the remaster that gets rid of them unless you do the Basic Training section on Earth. If you skip Basic Training the info terminals don't exist.

>>713990880
They might have played the games it influenced, you can clearly divide gaming to a period before SS2 was released, and after

>>713966469
Shodan feet, you say...

>>713992503
I was talking about the first game not SS2.

>>713971236
>comes from it's ability
>comes from it is ability
entire opinion discarded

>>713968468
While i worry about the overall balancr its nice to seeing the shittier weapons get buffed. I love ss2 but the weapon balence were weapons with lower requirements will get even bigger damage buff from weapons skills was completely asinine. Then again im a psi melee chad so it barely effected me lol.

>>713988248
Feels great when you can specically enter that hanger after she tells you not to. Listening to her throw a hissy is worth a few cyber modules

>>713982891
Tapping A and D while close to shotgun hybrids is also extremely effective. Funny the most efficient way of dealing with them is freestyle stunting and pulling ankle breakers on them, guess that's why they put basketballs in the game.

>>713982752
Being fair, it was their first proper total remaster, everything prior was just KEX porting and refurbishing. I doubt even a new entry would take as long now that they've got their process down.

>>713970079
Just curious was her corpse wearing a red uniform in game? Just seems like an odd little detail to change.

For me, it's Med/Sci 1

>>713977634
Did they make this fight itself any less shit?

>>713995751
ops 2 is the GOAT

>>713995382
It's to do with the fact she's an engineer. The SCP mod made the change to her portrait but I don't know about the corpse

>>713988902
Anyone save that arguement betweeb Shodan and Glados about who gets to crush (you) with a hydrolic press?

>>713962837 (OP)
It definitely shows it's age. I think I like ss1 remake vs this

>>713984583
Just install the expanded inventory mod.

>>713984583
NigDive's inventory in SS1 remake sucks.
Consider installing that mod that makes everything 1x1.

>>713962837 (OP)
Just restarted the game on normal after feeling a bit choked on hard from the respawns that two tapped me and expensive cyber module upgrades.
Found my first OS upgrade station and don't know what to install, probably going with movement speed.

>>714003097
You absolutely can't go wrong with the double implants upgrade. It's basically mandatory in every build.

>>714003635
I've found only one for STR so far, and I can swap it out because it's not essential currently.

>>714003097
Cybernetically Enhanced, then Sharpshooter/Lethal Weapon, then whatever.

>>713969387
>I already have SS2 Original. Should I buy the Remaster?
If you bought it on GOG, the new one is half off for a limited time. Not sure about Steam.
Glad I waited and didn't preorder.

>>713972194
whats wrong with it?

After playing the first level for a moment
>mouse has some strange input smoothing and lag or something
>enemy models are all absolutely horrible
Would be cool to enable the old models.

>go to R&D
>find office
>told good job and given points
>no one there
>leave R&D
>get cheevo for maxing Agility when it's still at 2
>wander around the ship until I wind up back at the start
>jump down to the upgrade kiosks
>go to use the elevator
>get stuck on something and die
>reload
>go back
>find Watts
>can't interact with the body
What the fuck is going on? Am I gonna have to restart?

>>713974439
>new model isnt barefoot
wow. completely sexless.

>>714006940
User error. Moron at the controls.

>>713974439
Right looks better

>>714003097
>probably going with movement speed.
that's a waste, same as 2 points of agility
get the ranged/melee damage one, then two implants

>>714007040
>it's my fault the game leported his body into the elevator shaft in medsci
my man, what the actual fuck are you talking about

>>714007412
Yes.

>>713966469
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>713984583
Ya thats my experiance that elevator is worthless.

>>714007740
Explain.

>>714008556
Sorry, just being an asshole completely by reflex. Should probably restart and hope it doesn't fuck itself again.

>>714007109
It absolutely does not.

>>713984583
Let me just say that the characters and audio logs in the original game are way better. For a bunch of amateurs, they knew exactly what they were making. The remake is jilted because it went through an identity crisis where the devs only cared about using the remake to make System Shock 2 again while alienating Shock 1's fans. They blew their early budget on bullshit and caused investors to pull out. The logs in the remake must have been some of the earliest material.

The grove pods in the original were also done better. They didn't have the resources to make actual biospheres that they are in the original, they couldn't even have working water in the remake.

>>714010924
>For a bunch of amateurs
That delivered Ultima Underworld and that game with headless.
I wish I was such an amateur.

>>714007109
It looks like an asset they made for their SS1 remake

>>713968468
Honestly all sounds like great changes but i dont think its worth the absurd price. If i can grab it for 10 bucks maybe ill give it another go

How the fuck did SHODAN infect the girl when she was bitten by the many parasite?

>>713969454
Lmao how are you always around whenever prey gets mentioned

>>714010924
The remake also really clutters the logs with a ton of low quality kickstarter backer messages, that are neither plot or lore relevant. Made even more annoying by the slow pickup animation that you're locked into every time to pick one up.

Why couldn't it have been me?

The black eggs are fucking ASS

Is there any use for weapons besides keeping a backup when yours break? Is there some way to sell loot you don't need?

>>714009115
It's alright, I figured you were, but wanted to press on the off chance it was a known issue with a simple avoidance workaround. Savescumming a lot harder this run through.

>>713968468
>A pool halfway through the body of the many now acts as a trap which swallows and kills you
I swear I was sucked into that in one of my replays a few years ago

>>714011718
nanomachines

>>714010924
>the devs only cared about using the remake to make System Shock 2 again
It's funny because they've probably blown their chance to ever give SS2 the full remake treatment now, when it's clear that's what they really wanted. Even this remaster hasn't met much fanfare.

Since SS3 is dead/shelved, it's likely over for the series again.

>>714012546
But if she can infect people why didn't she just take over the Many? Shame we will never get SS3.

>>714012548
The remaster has gotten good reviews, but the game is not a must play classic imo so I doubt people who haven't played it care for it.

>>714012548
I think it's kinda poetic.
On one hand, NigDive was born out of unironic passion for SS2.
On the other, at this point it is really hard to have any compassion for them.
I won't be surprised if SS1 remake is selling better.

You're participating in a data mining thread.

>>714011718
There's an audio log where she's bitten by a spider. Probably had to use one of those reconstruction machines. It's where SHODAN raped her.

>>714013091
From what I remember, the SS3 that was in development didn't continue on from SS2. If anything it sounded like they also wanted to do a soft reboot type thing.

>You move like an incel. You think like an incel. You ARE an incel

>>714009115
>>714012186
Second run seems to have fixed it.

i thought the ss1 remake was fun

>>714007940
That's an ai...

>>714012032
you get a recycler that turns garbage items into nanites from a vending machine in ops if you hack it, but you can't recycle weapons so you might as well drop your broken ones

i think the ss1 remake SUCKS

>>714011718
>>714013824
In another log she also mentions finding a military grade neural implant. Could have been the Shodan vector into her noggin.

>>713995952
I don't know why Irrational was so infamous for still portraits or non-animated characters unless it was just absolutely fucking critical, but if Xerxes isn't animated in the remaster, they really should have found some money to animate his face instead of sticking with a 10+ year old texture mod.

>>714015742
The environment art was spot on and I liked that they took away some of the fake doors from the original and connected them up with some new stuff. The cyborg enemies are better for the most part but the cortex reaver bit was half-baked shit. They made sensearound worse because they didn't have somebody competent to make a laggy rear view mirror. The new readings by Terri were kind of shit because no voice direction.

Overall the game is a small improvement.

>>714016686
>The environment art was spot on
groves not withstanding. That shit should have been redone from scratch.

how did the system shock series "age" in comparison to Deus Ex? both OG and nu-deus ex
t. dude sex enjoyer

>>713984583
you need the explosives to blow up the antenna so shodan can't beam herself off the station. you need the thingymabob substance to super power the shields up, then you have to overside the shield / laser safety. THEN you have to fire the laser. THEN you can get to the lifeboat.

I don't think you actually have to fight shodan, do you?

This game and Thief had such impeccable sound design. Why did Eric Brosius disappear after working on just a couple of projects?
https://youtu.be/QGEjKoGHzO0?si=wzyLHW9cWOYIx4kH&t=508
https://youtu.be/pp5xGLj1RME?si=xHrzY-X2ohroioez&t=249

>>714017929
The most important question is why can't anyone actually draw SHODAN properly?

>>713972814
no one because it wasn't very functional, now people might since it works now

>>714018091
Nyuunzi's art isn't great but his interpretation of SHODAN isn't horrible.

>>714017259
SS1? not particularly well. SS2? probably better than Deus Ex given Bioshock's popularity and Prey's cult status.

>>713968468
>>713972964
VP has never needed any buffs, it worked fine as it was for decently fast and cost efficient spider and reaver disposal. It couldn't deal with rumblers, but anyone using Exotics should've had decent PSI and Adrenaline for wrecking them in melee.
Worm Launcher was very cost inefficent in both ammo use and module investment while being just a "win more" option instead of solving any problems. Without requirement nerfs it's still an active sabotage of your build to go for it - you want a good balance of ENR, EXO and PSI here.
Fusion Cannon was just straight up outclassed by Grenade+Stasis combo. If they haven't nerfed grenades themselves and made Fusion damage neutral to everything, it's still pointless.

>>713982912
I did. It looks like crap.

>>714017259
SS2 is pretty much an ideal FPS/RPG in the broad vein of Ultima Underworld.
Deus Ex is much more of an imsim (even the nu ones) and requires much more immersion upfront to play.
SS2 is overall much more accessible.

If I was rich I would commission so much SHODAN smut from actual good artists. It's a shame the best quality we have is from artists that are firmly in mid tier at their best like Oni and Nyuunzi.

>>713985717
>the Xerxes logo is just a PNG pasted over the textures
Absolutely disgusting. Anyone who thinks that SHTUP and by extension the remaster look better than the original have no taste.

>>714018091
Because they want to draw her hair ending. It should literally be attached to a wall of wires. She should be wired into a bunch of electronics. Mobile enough to have sex on a bed made of conduits and monitors, but not able to leave the room where you fuck and upgrade her constantly.

>>714020301
the worst part is that you can't even gen good kimono art because there's so little of it online

>>714020908
And Nightdive isn't helping matters by removing the kimono entirely...

>>714020908
have you made any passable gens of SHODAN? I tried ages ago when it was just becoming a thing and the gens were shit

>>714019106
>SS1? not particularly well
understandable. I remember playing the remake demo a, couple years back and it was alright. Is it a good way to get into the series?
>>714019883
>SS2 is overall much more accessible.
Original or remaster?

>>714022309
I don't think there is any series.
SS1 the original one is one thing, heavily inspired by Ultima Underworld.
SS1 the NigDive remake is an attempt to bring it to SS2-like controls with some other influences and plays quite differently.
SS2 original is not very dissimilar from the remaster, but is very different from SS1 as it follows the still modern FPS conventions.

So we have three games that look differently, play differently, and are connected very loosely (Shodan, Diego sr/jr and the logo of Tri-Optimum is the whole connection).
That's because just like Ultima Underworld 1, System Shock 2 was initially supposed to be a standalone game and not a part of the series.

I don't think System Shock 2 remaster is bad, but I don't think it's worth the asking price, so either get the original one and optionally mod it, either plain pirate it.

>>713969387
Hope you mean the ORIGINAL Prey. Remake was an atrocity.

>>714024590
thanks, anon. Will give both the games a try.
SH1 remake is 15€, I think I'm gonna wait for it to go even lower like you said.

>>714024846
Arkane's Prey wasn't a remake. It was a completely and totally different game using the same name because Bethesda forced it on the project. And no it was not an atrocity.

>>714025020
You basically have two broad paths ahead of you: delving into dosjank culminating in the OG Deus Ex or perusing the remakes/remasters.
Going Ultima Underworld -> System Shock 1 OG -> Thief 1 and 2 -> System Shock 2 OG -> Deus Ex may very well be a rewarding journey and is basically free, but it requires a lot of time investment and you may emerge as an imsim schizo afterwards.
With NigDive, I kinda think they did SS1 a bit dirty. Enhanced edition is okay, but remaster, I feel, is an attempt to shoehorn SS1 into SS2 series if that makes sense. And I would have respected that if their game designers were good at their jobs.

Would've liked to have it for free, but I didn't preorder the shitty SS1 remake a decade ago. And as much as I would like to do a replay some time soon, I'd rather use the money to buy the upcoming Robocop DLC.

>>714024846
Prey 2006 was a completely different game from completely different people, anon.
I still wish Prey 2 was a thing, the trailer was sick (for 2009).

Prey 2017 was originally supposed to not be called Prey (thanks, Bethesda).
Can't call it an atrocity, it was a masterpiece for like 2/3rds of the way.
An obviously SS2-inspired Arx Fatalis-like freedom in a retrofuturistic space setting, what's not to like?
The last 1/3rd of Prey 2017 is not a travesty, it's a tragedy.
But instead of making Prey great, Arkane Austin went Mooncrash and then Deathloop and this is why they deserved Redfall fully.

>>714022260
i could try but it would require a lot of very detailed prompting and trial and error. like how do you prompt for a cyber kimono?

Finished my first playthrough like 1 hour ago
Pretty funny ending, that was a huge tonal whiplash but I liked it
Can't think of a game like it that has released in the last 5 years

>>713966237
/thread

>>713972814
Me
After I finished it back in... 2010? I got my friend to play it with me in coop, I'm pretty sure we struggled like 90% of the way through.
Fuck me it was jank, but fun

>>714018091
Shodan if she was drawn by Peter Chung

whas the main difference between ss1 and ss2

was it an attempt at simplifying the game down? ss1 was such a clusterfuck of mechanics and random weird puzzles from what i remember with a literal who cares story but it got cult status for the clusterfuck reasons stated. is ss2 the time people came to jesus and realized these games arent very good or is it an actual good gayme?

>>714029193
what? if anything SS2 is worse because they made it more complex

>>714029193
system shock 2 has a ton of poorly implemented rpg mechanics.

>>714029379
>>714029262
???
are these bot responses? or just thirdies trying to gatekeep?
what's so bad about ss2 mechanics?

in fact this whole thread reads like
>remaster released
>critically acclaimed game suddenly not good because more people will get into it
>or find out about it
kinda like when a shitty youtuber drops a video on king's field and suddenly everyone says it sucks despite its flaws and advantages

>>714029708
i always shittalked system shock 2's RPG mechanics that had no thought put into them

Hmmm....

>>714029874
frogbros

>>714026758
i'm pretty sure it's a brand new game, not DLC

>>714029193
tl;dr: these are games from different geological epochs.

System Shock 1 stood on the shoulders of Ultima Underworld 1 which was a groundbreaking game (and also was an inspiration for Carmack "I can do a better render").
Literally nothing has been done in this fashion before UU1. Nothing.

System Shock 2 came after Quake, and Quake showed everybody how you make a 3D FPS (and killed Cyrix in the process).
More immediately, System Shock 2 stood on the shoulders of Thief which borrowed how its done from Quake.
Everybody did borrow from Quake (Half-Life, Serious Sam, you name it) and this is why SS2 feels broadly modern.

For Quake to happen a tremendous progress had to be made in computer hardware though.
Very roughly speaking, SS2 was made for x20-x30 of the processing power that SS1 was made for (also 3D accelerators we know as videocards have appeared in that time).
It would be just a slight exagerration to say that SS2 computers differed from SS1 more than ours differ from SS2.

>>714029803
and can you elaborate on this or is it a
>IT'S NOT LIKE MY FAVORITE GAME SO IT'S SHIT

>>714030165
I'm talking about this.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3527760/RoboCop_Rogue_City__Unfinished_Business/

>>714030417
how about the fact that most of the skills don't do anything useful or the fact that the actual best weapon in the game is an assault rifle you can pick up at the start if you max out standard weapons

>>714030515
>don't do anything useful
according to you
if the ar is the best weapon in the game it still consumes a lot of ammo, best weapon is the wrench if you go standard strength and os upgrades for hand to hand so it seems we have different ways to play the game... that sounds like a good rpg to me

>>714030515
>most of the skills don't do anything useful
Welcome, Moon-and-Star,
Come to me through fire and war.

>>714030515
I found going full melee with the exotic crystal to be very effective. Doubly so if you dip into the mind powers for the speed boost, power boost and then take the speed drugs. You basically run around the map on crack destroying things in 2-3 hits. It's funny.

>>713983464
eldrone (a former ss2 modder who got hired by nightdive) says he added the reloading animations to newdark first, so i'm pretty sure those would be possible to backport. i've already heard the new npc and weapon models don't work outside of kex though, and the rerendered fmvs probably won't display properly either because of newdark's 640x480 video limit

Does the remake still has that shit ass nah ending?

>>714020719
>>713985717
man, that's half-assed
looks like a sticker that someone meant to put on the back of their macbook

>>714034734
Yeah.

>>713962837 (OP)
Didn't know that was a thing, first one was good so I'll check it out.
How woke is it? First one only added the lesbian audio recording I think in terms of woke changes.

>>714030515
>how about the fact that most of the skills don't do anything useful
That is literally every full fledged CRPG from the 80's and 90's thoughbeit. Wasteland has combat shooting (actually factually does absolutely nothing), Fallout has traps and gambling, Ultima Underworld has tracking, Daggerfall has 9 language skills, all of which are pretty much pointless. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a CRPG from that period that doesn't have at least 1 useless or near useless skill you can invest points into, let alone two or more, like Repair in SS2 being a total fucking meme.

>>714036353
yet SS1 didn't have that. it just places the weapons and upgrades well around the map.

>>714036414
Well yeah but SS1 is a dungeon crawling first person metroidvania type game, not a first person RPG like SS2. SS2's transition to being an RPG was never going to have a perfectly balanced array of skills and stats because that's just not what game devs were doing back then, but the RPG elements were the future of the imsim genre as proven by Deus Ex being the best game ever made, SS2 was a necessary step towards that.

>>713973690
The Half-Life HD models were shit because they completely changed some designs (and for the worse every single time). The System Shock 2 remaster's HD models are really accurate, with the only exception being SHODAN's avatars in the final boss battle

>>713979590
what a brave thing to say on /v/

>>714036353
Deus Ex had swimming.

>>714035193
It's not a remake, it's a remaster. It's just the original game with some enhancements