Ray tracing haters have been real quiet since GTA V dropped the RT update

Hatertsisters? Our FUCKING reponse?

>>713969702 (OP)
just use shader
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSWS8B-9Ta8

>*Turns up brightness*
>"That'll be $2,000 goyim"

>>713969786
Debunked. It works well on low end GPUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUAI7rka-eg

>>713969702 (OP)
>soul
>soulless

>>713969702 (OP)
now let's see it in motion

>>713969702 (OP)
Same look can literally be achieved with 15yo Global Illumination methods + SSR for the glossy bits.

>>713969858
3050 is not low end
retard

>>713970210
The techniques you speak of work with static games but a game with dynamic time would require real time accuracy. On top of that, it's already 100 GBs without baked lighting, so it'll be even more than that if they baked for the entire world

>>713970309
You're right, it's worse than low end.

>>713969702 (OP)
rt is like
>1 place looks better
>6 places look odd
>3 places are straight up downgraded
and they always go with #1 to praise it

>>713970309
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa

>>713970309
>160 bucks for a brand new 3050
it's borderline low-end, retardkun

>>713969702 (OP)
GTA V? unc postin' from the nursing home frfr.
Seriously though, who the fuck cares about a game so old it launched on the fucking xbox 360? You gonna add raytracing to mario kart 64 next?

>>713970515
It's an improvement all around for GTA V but if I'm being honest, it doesn't look that impressive 60% of the time. The textures were made in the PS3 era so no PBR to make them shine properly.

>>713970309
$30 gpus are low end

I'd rather have a more robust system that interpolates between several light nodes depending on the time of the day and weather.
Sure that is a ton of work, but we gotta put those art degrees to work somewhere.
Baked>RT

>>713970362
>The techniques you speak of work with static games
Wrong.
You are mixing up pre-rendered lighting and global illumination.

Realtime GI has been used for well over a decade.
Hell, the STALKER 1 from 2007 has the feature, but it's disabled by default, because it was waaay too heavy for the 128-256MB DX9 cards at the time.
FOX engine games, NieR Automata and Replicant, Death Stranding, even goddamn Elden Ring have non-RT GI. Even stylized shit like Genshin Impact has GI!

Be it with quick bounce or via probes, Global Illumination was already an industry standard by 2010s. Paired with Screen Space Reflections, you can also achieve decent reflections on surface for practically no performance penalty.

Pic related is from an old, oldass OpenGL 4.3 tech demo.

tl;dr: RT is a meme, trying to re-invent a wheel, just to sell you 3000 dollar GPUs.

>>713969702 (OP)
the main improvement using rt in gta 5 is it fixes the fucking shadows that turn to shit when they're just a few feet away from the player

>>713969702 (OP)
this image is just cloudy vs sunny day lmao

>>713969702 (OP)
Neither of those looks realistic

>>713970836
>rt is a meme
the dxr api is so fucked that the raytracing keeps running even if you see nothing requiring rt in a scene. doubled avg cpu utilization? check. gpu utilizing 30% more for no reason? check.

>>713969702 (OP)
>2025
>GTA 5
Holy shit, let it go.

>>713970309
I hate you third worlders like you wouldn't believe.

>>713969702 (OP)
GTA 5 sucks, worst entry of the series

>>713971007
too bad you can't do anything about it

>>713969702 (OP)
Ray tracing is like devs splashing cans of paint on the wall because they forgot how to use tools like paint rollers. And the one that has to carry all that bloated paint is your device.

>>713971000
NPCs don't care about other videogames.

>>713971315
>Simulating real light behavior is stupid
Retard.

>>713970836
Probes are still wrose than real time RTX and games like Assassin's Creed Shadows provide both options and you can guess which one is more accurate.

>>713969702 (OP)
The sun is clearly behind the bridge, so why would that side be lit up? RT is gay and retarded.

>>713969702 (OP)
So RT is just turning on the lights outside? Lmao

>>713971818
Indirect lighting. Open your window at 12 PM and you'll see the sun leaking in with softer shadows, that's called indirect lighting it's caused by how strong the direct lighting is so strong that it'll illuminate the other surfaces next to it even if they aren't hit directly by the sun i.e. indirect

>>713971724
>Simulating real light behavior isn't stupid
Retard.

>>713970836
Gi is just one thing full RT lightning does, what about the rest? penumbra and perfect shadows from every single light sources, accurate reflections across all surfaces, volumetric light and effects, even accurate sounding audio
The thing is if you trace ray you can gather so much more info to depict actually accurate rendering. Raster meanwhile is cope and the engine has to calculate everything individually or just ignore stuff that are critical in actually achieving true realism.
We're honestly getting at a point where calculating every single things in raster to simulate light behavior is actually costing more on the GPU than actually tracing rays. Some pure raster games are already running slower than Metro Exodus EE which still looks better anyway just because that's using full RT

>>713972357
>better graphics is stupid
Retard.

>>713972432
>RT is better graphics
Retard.

>>713972467
YES, it absolutely is.
You truly are retarded

>>713969702 (OP)
Yeah, it looks good on an still image after the rays have been properly cast and processed, now show us how it looks when you're roaming around and moving the camera a lot and the rays can't be processed soon enough.

>>713969702 (OP)
well that looks like shit, you got a better picture?

>>713972432
the cost to benefit ratio with modern graphics is utterly abysmal.

>>713972529
>it absolutely is
as a blind person your opinion on what "looks better" is invalid

>>713970362
>On top of that, it's already 100 GB
They likely didn't optimize the game for that, as they didn't for anything else.

>>713972739
It's Online bloat over the years and since they weren't forced to restrain themselves like the 360 version, they went all out with the size.

>>713972827
The 360 version came on 2 DVDs, and the PC version originally came on 7.

>>713969702 (OP)
Show me the FPS with DLSS off, OP.

>so if you turn this on, your 4090 won't get to run this 13yo game at 60fps no more
ah yes, a great reason for me to talk about it, lemme start the twitter app right now!

>>713973052
>>713973146
It's already here next time read the thread properly before you come up with automated responses
>>713969858
You can't tell these aren't AI because of their blind hatred or maybe AI is pulling 4D chess on us

>recolours your concrete
That'll be half your framerate plus tip saar

>>713971134
This. I genuinely have no idea what people see in it.

>>713969702 (OP)
>that would be 1000 $ for GPU only and half of your fps, don't forget about tip my fellow go...gamer

>>713969702 (OP)
show framerate

>>713969702 (OP)
literally looks the same as just adding a ambient light factor lmao

>>713971134
Only GTA game I've never completed, didn't even get close

just turn up the brightness nigga fucking lmao

>>713969858
>40fps at 1080p on a 12 year old game
>works well
lol

Graphics do not make games good. Good games with good graphics exist, but they're not good because of their good graphics.

>>713970309
Exactly, it's below that. It's trash.
3050 6GB is a scam.

>>713977702
>Maxed out ray tracing
Still pretty good for 3050

>>713977993
>>Maxed out ray tracing
fuck taht even means?
the devs set what "max is" and its some low sample gi, its not "ray tracing ray tracing"
it runs like shit

Only literal poorfags hate on RT. Seeing as how majority of this board is filled with 3rd world ESLs that doesn't surprise me.

>>713969702 (OP)
RT apologists were killed by this webm so there is no more discussion needed.

but what if i want game to be darker

>>713969702 (OP)
Only poorfags hate RT.
>b-b-b-but it cripples my fps
Okay then get a better GPU, poorfag, or play with your old shit raster graphics.

>>713970309
>t. proud 1060 3gb owner

>>713979331
doesn't look that much better than anything rasterized, not for the cost at least.
you got scammed buddy.

>>713979331
>Okay then get a better GPU
I know you're just baiting, but you do actually have to get a GPU that is meant for a higher resolution to truly enjoy RTX without DLSS, like a 4090 for 1440p or 4070 for 1080p.
So it really is a poorfag problem.

>>713978643
>RT apologists were killed by this webm
STALKER 2 uses UE5 software Lumen, not real HW rt

>>713978643
>flashlight so powerful the wall surface is altered by the radiation
RTlets just have weak lights

>>713969702 (OP)
SOVL VS SOVLESS

>>713979741
Oh, no no no.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Delete your post before you embrace yourself even more.

>>713969702 (OP)
top is obviously more realistic, do you observe things glowing when you move outside?

>>713978643
why is there light well after the explosion? what are those artifacts in flashlight?

>>713969871
>soulless
>soul
Older games had far better GI than the eye cancer of GTA V legacy.

>>713979501
rasterslop is flat. cope

>>713980031
it sure is, but is it worth the price?

>>713979839
>before you embrace yourself even more.
ESL thirdie

>>713980097
if you didnt fall for the 4k meme then a 4070S or 5070 for 500 bux is more than enough

>>713980174
I didn't even fall for the RTX meme, I'm still on a gtx1070ti.
Besides, RTX5060ti is like 650usd in my country, and I don't consider 8gb cards as an upgrade.

>>713979839
>Delete your post before you embrace yourself even more.
>embrace yourself
>embrace

>>713977762
What in the actual fuck was the point in your post?

>>713979839
good morning saar

>>713978272
You can decrease the quality but keep coping

Did they fix the 163 fps limit yet? Support for higher framerates is something they mentioned, but they certainly didn't improve on that aspect.

>>713980031
>dev team has never heard of projected normals for foliage
>it's somehow the rasterizer's fault
time and time again it's found out that the reason for RT is developer retardation
it's also not "lost knowledge" because there are developers who are able to do it, it's just that most of game devs have a skill level so low it's only a fit for frontend website dev.

>>713980534
Ofcourse, AC shadows was produced by game designers who had never made a game before.

>>713980325
You don't need to do the raytracing meme, dlss meme or whatever. Just buy an rtx 5090 or rtx 6000 pro and a 1440p 480hz OLED monitor or 2160p 240hz OLED monitor and enjoy the games you currently play but with a much more accurate depiction of motion.

>>713971315
>saddam hussein

>>713980616
>who had never made a game before
never a good game that is
look up the developer retard, not a single game above mediocrity under their belt

>>713979331
AC is a perfect example of wasted potential.

>>713978402
>hate on RT
>filled with 3rd world ESLs that doesn't surprise me

>>713979998
Because ray tracing is too expensive to resolve in one frame. Instead, they do only part of the scene and then add the results together over multiple frames.

>>713980031
ofc a game with RT will have the "RT off" visuals look bad on purpose.

here's (((classic))) witcher 3 shot from 2022. they took out HBAO+ from the (((remaster))) on purpose so the RT-off version looks worse than the RTGI one. RT off in w3 (((remaster))) looks like there'd be no ambient occlusion, gi at all

>>713969702 (OP)
>be me
>RT enjoyer
>played GTA5 once and quit after I found that every station but one played rap, and that one played country
>didn't care about the RT update

>>713969702 (OP)
>GTA V
Making the landscape look photo realistic in still screenshots doesn't change the fact that half the NPCs still look like PS3 potatoes. If anything making the rest of the world look better just highlights them as relics from 12+ years ago.

Part of me can't wait for 6 so the corpse of 5 can finally be put to rest and stop being paraded around like it's some gaming innovation

>>713969702 (OP)
Why did the shadow the tree is casting disappear in RT?

>>713970309
LOL

>>713980534
>just create "projected normals" for the 10 million individual foliage assets across 12 different seasons and dynamic time of day
The entitlement of poorfags who cant even afford a $200 GPU always amazes me.

RT is not only easier for the devs but also looks better. Stop being poor.

>>713981923
I'm probably misremembering but trees in GTA V aren't actual trees they are giant blobs with transparent leaves textures so the lighting perceives them as solid objects and give them shadows based on that.

>>713981603
Why is that tree almost pitch black lmao, would look better with GI

>>713969702 (OP)
This fucking evolved tsuchinoko with tiny legs

>>713982182
>RT is not only easier for the devs
If it's easier for them then why aren't they selling the game cheaper?

>>713969772
>must gib me money
What a gay.

>>713969858
980 was a top end card when GTA V released
3050 is 5 years NEWER than GTA V
it can only get 40fps
that is not working well

>>713982182
This is a shit comparison
the character is shaded completely unlit with "RT OFF". there is not a single shadow or AO applied.
So the devs have no actual light sources in their game apart from global directional lighting? And just click the magic RTX button to do their job for them?

>>713983209
Maybe the 3050 is bad even for its price.

>>713969702 (OP)
gta 5 sucks. That game, particularly what they did to it with gta online, killed gta forever, and rockstar games as well.

>>713979839
Now THAT'S funny

>>713983421
The character is lit by the ambient light value of the scene.
The overdrive character is lit correctly.

>>713969702 (OP)
>>713969762
Shhhhh, calm down humatar ajeetuta.

>>713980031
>Enable RT
>Lose hair
wow

>>713982182
>just create "projected normals" for the 10 million individual foliage assets across 12 different seasons and dynamic time of day

a) projected normals aren't based on lighting
b) I, as a single game dev, have a foliage pipeline that does it automatically and it took me like 2 days to set that up, there is no excuse for anyone not to have it if a single person can do it in 2 days.

>people who don't know what ray tracing is are the ones most vocal against it
why?

>>713984364
It's just a way to steal my fps for reflections!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We had reflections in the 90s without it!!!!!!!!! Why can't we do it that way anymore?????????

>>713970362
It's 100GB because of billions of normal maps also GI has been used in a plethora of games with day/night cycles.

>>713978643
If you think a community remaster is the final word on how to implement RT in games you might be retarded.

>>713984364
people older than 12 know that games used to look better and we havent advanced visually in the last generation

>>713984703
that's because your PC is shit. My games look fantastic.

>>713970926
A few years ago I upgraded my PC to something that was at least capable of gaming a bit.
I played Rise of the Tomb Raider and started noticing how bad some effects like shadows and reflections actually looked. Thought it was meant to be a bug, looked for videos on it, they all looked the same. Even had later on a different GPU completely with the same "issues".
This is what I noticed in many cases RT just fixed. Some of it might look like crap. Some of it looks the way it is supposed to. I don't love the performance hit, but I hate this shit more

>>713984512
>the people who don't know what ray tracing is...
>"it's just a way to steal fps for reflections.."
lol thanks for proving the point

>>713984864
nice picture

>>713985068
>the pinnacle of game graphics is Mass Effect
Time for you to upgrade

>>713984703
Games have gotten worse visually
Oblivion remake showed it pretty well

>>713985278
yeah, I remember playing Oblivion on PS3 at 400x300 30fps. It sure was the best way to play.

>>713984363
And its still less accurate than RT, keep coping.

>>713983421
> the character is shaded completely unlit with "RT OFF"
That's the point. At some point, you may stumble upon a place where no additional light has been placed manually by devs so that scene would shade correctly. With RT, if there is a light, there will be shadows.

>>713972097
It's called radiosity, even ancient ass games have it, how come GTA5 doesn' it have it?

>>713985405
while running tens of times faster
programmers who are content with a shitty solution just because it's a solution have faied their job requirement

>>713971818
Light is reflective, dumbass.

>>713972380
We can't run that many light bounces, even with hardware acceleration, even the best hardware can't run it past 30FPS

Cyberpunk path tracing did not convince you?

>>713985782
>RT is a shitty solution
>when all animated movies use it
Poor.

>>713985782
>they failed at their job
>it's running too slow
>it's not the correct solution
lol. you're just poor and can't run it.

>>713985378
now you can play it on the ps5 with a blurry dlss upscale to 4k, still at 30fps
And it will look worse than the ps3 did on a crt 18 years ago

>>713969702 (OP)
soul
forced soul

>>713985840
>it looks good because it's shiny
Do poors really?

>>713985553
>Old game
>Dev spend months if not year placing lights and baking shadows
>Let the devs cheat by making unrealistic scenes
>Run a 360 with 512mb of ram
>50-60 dollars
>nu games
>nuDev spend 0 seconds placing lights or baking shadows
>Everything looks the same (and is probably using stock assets that game with UE5)
>Run like shit on everything
>90 dollars + DLC + season pass + MTX
Yup, RT is the biggest scam in the world

>>713985948
no. that would be you.
I play it at 4k on a 5090.

>>713969702 (OP)
Bottom is not how light works.

>>713985892
RTX isn't offline rendering, retard

>>713985920
>they failed at their job
>it's running too slow
>it's not the correct solution
all three are true, glad you admit it

>>713985948
>PS5
>DLSS
Why are you dumb?
>it's totes the same thing
No other upscaling compares to DLSS. You're lying to yourself if you think FSR, XeSS, or PSSR does.

>>713969702 (OP)
Use case for gay tracing?

>>713986114
>everyone else is a failure apart from me with my GTX970

>>713986038
expand on that enlightened one

>>713970798
>barely any faster that an rx 470 and 1650
Holy fucking grim. Njewdia just outright scamming poorfags.

>>713985892
>>713985920
btw really looking forward to when in 10 years time studios decide they need a simpler thing than PBR so their outsourcing pajeets can handle it
then these threads will be about how RTX was never realistic because it used approximation BRDFs

>>713985553
>no additional light has been placed manually by devs
Yes, I'm glad we agree
Lazy devs using RT

>>713986206
correct lighting

>>713970309
>No punctuation
>Immediately aggressive for no reason
>Poorfag opinion
How's the weather in Bangalore today?

>>713969702 (OP)

>>713984363
What the fuck is projected normals?

>>713982182
Developers are for skinning alive, not coddling. Inept fucking niggers.

>>713986013
That's not RT problem, but a fidelity reequipment. Back then, you could create a model, including rigging, in a few days and send it to a 2D fags for texturing. Now, every pile of trash must have dozens of different textures, and modelling it takes whole days.

>>713985948
>so blurry

>>713971724
The point of games isn't to be an optics simulation. Games can and have been excellent without RT.

>>713972097
The actual technical term you're looking for is diffuse lighting and it's been part of graphics since OpenGL was new. IIRC it was available in 1.0.

>>713986913
here's msaa. jpeg ruins the quality on 4chan btw. if i posted png it would be 16mb.

So GTA 5 has no bounce light?

>>713987063
what are you trying to show, that the old version looks shit?

>>713970309
Hahahahahahhaha

>>713987148
8x msaa at 4k is 32k.
hdr also doesnt work properly on 4chan since they strip out all data.

basically what im seeing on my screen looks 16x better than your image.

OH NO NO NO NO NO, HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>713987507
no. what you're seeing on your screen is an upscaled pile of shit,

>>713987507
You can post a JXR with HDR metadata on catbox, but it's still limited by the viewer's display.

>>713980534
Projected normals?

>>713986569
https://polycount.com/discussion/227189/foliage-vertex-normals-editing-in-speed-tree

>>713979741
That was a webm of half-life 2 RT

>>713987694
>>713987734

I wonder why all the poors on /v/ hate RT?
https://youtu.be/cqhDhJc0eLY?list=LL

>>713987914
>why the poors hate things that they cannot affort
Gee makes one think...

>>713987914
>uses Child Porn 2077 as his demo
It's literally just shiny.

>>713987990
>it's just shiny
it also doesn't run on your shitbox

>>713987990
Its actually a good game with good graphics

>>713987985
>affort

>noo, RT is a meme, it just doesn't look good
https://youtu.be/vUFE4M0oaIc?list=LL

>>713985026
>>713984512 is just a pointless Reddit sarcasm post that adds nothing to the discussion. Just ignore it and move on.

>>713978643

>>713988024
I have the second best GPU available. It's ugly, especially given the fact that it runs so bad.
>>713988039
>"press C to skip lines of dialogue"
>press C
>crouch
>"press ctrl to show off your sweet moves, V!"
>press ctrl
>crouch
Fuck you and triple bound actions. It's also boring with too much talk (AYO HOMES ESE CABRON) that's uninteresting and not enough pew pew. The UI for inventory/skill management is maybe worse than Starfield's. It's loaded with bad actors and worse dialogue. If Jack Black insisted that he was a badass like he insisted he's somehow funny, he'd be V.
Also, developed by literal third worlders.

>>713988462
What does reboundable buttions have to do with graphics

>>713988462
>second best
and I have the best. eat shit faggot

>>713969702 (OP)
>>713969762
They had one job with the new RT reflections yet still managed to fucked it up

>>713988586
I was responding to "It's actually a good game." What does graphics have to do with a good game?
>>713988619
Cool story, bro. Who cares? It doesn't get any prettier on your card. You just get more ugly frames per second.

>>713987579
>rtx removed the bars from the vent
truly next gen technology

>>713988709
Name a good game.

>>713988709
>I have the 2nd best
>well I have the best
>i-i-it doesn't matter
lol why the fuck you mention your 4090 then you mong

>>713969702 (OP)
top looks realistic with proper lighting
bottom looks like shit with unrealistic lighting

>>713988505
wtf it's a downgrade!

>>713988778
Karryn's Prison

>>713988837
The what

>>713988778
Fortnite

>>713988785
The point is I can run Child Porn 2077 quite well. I'm not some poorfag who is bitching about things he can't attain. It's just ugly, "lawl."

>>713988778
Genshin impact

>>713969702 (OP)
looks worse. ray tracing exaggerates lighting and ends up overdrawn as hell

>>713987579
soul vs no soul AI slop

>>713988905
I don't care what you think you can run it like.
I can run it betterer.
>i'm not a poorfag bitching about things
why don't you have a 5090 and why are you bitching about rt then?

>>713988905
Its an old 5+ year old game. How time flies

I literally don't want games to have better graphics

>>713988785
>>713988905
i have a 4060

>>713969702 (OP)
>RT off
>No GI

Bruh.

>>713989103
>I have
Better than those who not have

>>713981603
First of all do you even know what Ambient Occlusion does and what it is trying to simulate?

Because it is rather clear you don't have any clue what you are talking about, and definitely have no clue what global illumination is.

>>713989209
amen brother

>>713987579
Note right doesn't actually look like that, as I actually debunked that a while back.
>>713989012
I'm not bitching about RT. I like it quite a lot. CP just isn't a good implementation. It looks greasy. As for why I don't have a 5090, performance hasn't tanked to the point where I want to spend $1500 or so out of pocket (after my tradein) and have that fight with my GF. I'm waiting for the price to drop (or some killer app that forces me to upgrade before that).

>>713979741
HAHAHAHA

>>713989246
retard theres literally no ao/gi in the "rt off" shot

>>713980031
this looks awful wtf

I don't give a fuck about graphics. Who cares if the lighting under an overpass is more realistic? Holy shit. The cars in GTA V move like total garbage, it's disgusting to drive anything, especially on the keyboard. GTA VI will probably be the same shit because they sold 300 million units even though the game is deficient in the most basic thing, which is the drivability of the vehicles.

>>713988785
The 4090 isn't the second best. The 5090 is.

>>713987579
perfect example of why ray tracing is fucking garbage

>>713989648
>the $10k workstation GPU which is 5fps faster is the best
ok

>>713989562
But you can do a barrel roll bro

Imagine the realism

>>713989659
please explain

>>713989720
No reason not to own it unless you're poor.

>>713989817
Good point. I'll get one

>>713970309
>3050 is not low end
xx50 cards have literally been the "HEEELP IM A POORFAG I WANNA RUN NEW GAMES" card for over a decade

Is it worth getting this new edition?
I don't use mods

>poor people calling other people poor for not buying the expensive shiny
Reeks of the third world in here.

>>713990334
poorfag

>>713985840
It was pretty rough-looking when it first released, but it's definitely the best implementation on the market as of right now

>>713969702 (OP)
>Ray tracing haters have been real quiet
So have ray tracing shills. It's crickets all around.

>>713985840
Cyberpunk with raytracing on daylight outside looks like absolute, unfiltered dogshit.
Like I cannot understand how people can possibly like that visually.

>>713991049
>>713988242

no matter how it looks gta 5 will always be an absolute dogshit game for morons

>>713991202
Again, unfiltered dogshit. Hyperrealistic dogshit. Not to mention the lack of detail on NPCs.

>>713985840
Cyberpunk is not the game I'd choose to convey why raytracing is cool. I find Cyberpunk to be visually ugly and I'm not really sure why.
Witcher 3's interiors are IMO a better example of how good RTGI can vastly improve a game's visuals. The original 2015 release's interiors legit look like a fanmade patchjob compared to RTGI interiors.

>>713969702 (OP)
Why does Rockstar RT implementation run a billion times better than every other game that uses it? I don't have a shitty GPU by any means (7900xt), but enable it in CP2077 and it grinds to a 30 fps halt at 4k, while GTAV runs at 120+ fps at 4k with it on. And it does indeed look better.

>>713991692
It's the fact that all the models look like shit, and it's a weird greasy, slimy feel to it, like everything has been rubbed with ham.
>>713991801
Because the GTA5 implementation isn't doing a lot.

>>713991801
Because underneath the raytracing GTA5 is still a 2013 game with 2013 graphics.

>>713991562
at this point it's clear you're just a whining retard

>>713979331
how much is nvidia paying you shill raytracing, or are you just a retard for free?

>>713993052
its an amdfag. the image looks like shit because its fsr.

What's a good game to play around with RT on a lower end card (4060 Ti)? I've thought about trying the Portal RTX thing but I hear it runs like shit.

>>713993192
Oddly enough, Quake 1. vkquake-rt is neat.

>>713993192
Metro Exodus Enhanced. Control.

>>713982319
>Why is that tree almost pitch black lmao
Because your display is absolut garbage.

>>713991801
They know what the game lacks so they added GI, shadows and reflections rather than going full path tracing

>>713990456
It only looks good in screenshots. it completely falls apart in motion.

>>713991801
There is no equivalent of overdrive raytracing (path tracing) in GTA V. Only psycho raytracing. Also the geometry that gets raytraced is simpler in GTA V.

>>713970309
nigger I've got a 3090 and I feel like I'm on the low end already

>>713992343
no, he's right. RT/PT's overreliance on temporal slop annihilates detail, especially in motion.

>>713996551
It's not "psycho raytracing" because Cyberpunk doesn't offer global illumination on its own, only with overdrive. While GTA V has its own global illumination setting

/v/ be like LEFT IS MORE SOVLFVL AND KINO YOU JUST WOULDN'T GET IT

only indians think ray tracing is real
just like titanic 2 trailers featuring the rock johnson

>>713997049
The thing I love most about playing with raytracing on is how characters blend into the scene and their feet look like they're actually touching the ground instead of floating above it with light coming out from under their shoes and around edges like you get with old lighting methods. In CP77 it's even more obvious especially on interior scenes and in cars.

>>713996823
It's a good thing gamers are already used to blurry shit before RT.

>>713984990
that happens a lot with screenspace reflections on modern games for some reason

rdr2 is another offender and i'm pretty sure it got introduced in an update, i don't remember it happening the first time i played the game

>>713997049
cyberpunk is pretty much the only game where raytracing is justified.
you have tons of unnatural light sources interacting with dynamic entities (NPCs, vehicles).
for games like indiana jones, you can get away with just baking lighting.

Raytracing offers no benefit to the consumer. It only makes the jobs of the dev easier. Still waiting to see the benefits. Still waiting to see the accelerated dev time I was promised would happen. “You’ll get your games sooner because they’ll take less time to develop!” My ass

>>713998460
No good game requires more than 40 columns on an amber monitor.

>>713971724
>>713972432
properly placed lighting >>> simulating real light that has no artistry

>>713983209
The 3050 is 9 years newer than gta v.

>>714000443
>he thinks RT means artists don't place and adjust lights at all
What causes this?

>>713996823
your hatred is because you can't run it

>>713969702 (OP)
Top looks better

>>713970309
oh boy

>>713998460
>Raytracing offers no benefit to the consumer
only in blender when it comes to porn

>>713970309
>3050 is not low end
Nigga it's slower than a GTX 1070 from 2016.
Yes it's fucking low-end.

RT is exaggerated. stuff bleeds too much theres a veil on everything and on top of it it looks kinda messy

>>713978643
nvidia neural radiance caching fixes this
this is a bait webm made with it disabled

>>713997449
I think it happens because the glossy/white is the defaulted to color. This only happens when SSR is trying (it can't) to reflect stuff offscreen, so it defaults to the glossy look. Regardless, it looks really bad and is really distracting, especially when rotating the camera. SSR just sucks in general. Massive performance costs to even begin to look okay

>>714005195
random word salad

>>714006773
Shiny light bounce, glowy ray spin, sparkly pixel mess, shadow blob wobble, colorful beam zap, foggy lens twirl, bright dot chaos, glimmery thing flop, flashy ray jumble, sparkly doodad swirl.

>>714006773
no it literally bleeds too much, indirect light and ray bounces are exaggerated and paint too much things, it like all colours are lamps shining on everything. you cant have anything whtie with raytracing, everything wil lalways be orange AF during the day, during the night the slightest LED will affect everythign aorund it to an exaggerated degree, like you took a semitransparant circle of the same colour in a paint software and click all around it. it looks kinda messy too in a way diffcult to explain without seeing it for yourself

>>713970309
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF "pc master race" LMAO

is gta v worth getting on the ps5?
already beat it on the ps4 many years ago

>>713973658
Online, apparently.
I've never played the online.

raytracing is just the AI art equivalent of lighting. Baked lightning will always look superior when done right since it can be made exactly to the artist's intent.

>>714008493
AND the concentration of colorus effects that sluightly saturates and makes orange stuff like concentrated fruit juice

im tlaking about pathtracing btw. i think there is a middle ground where stuff looks cool without going over the top like pathtracing does to appeal to low iqs. its vulgar right now

>>714008973
artists can to but its actually more complicated than baked because you need to move the whole set like IRL, move props edit models etc. you can still cheat affecting some lamps by hand but that takes work which is what they re tryign to avoid in the first place

but certainly the game has to be made with a single lightning system in mind so we ll see later

>>713969772
>Reshade
Please fucking kill yourself now!
Its no coincidence that all of the scenes in that video are static and not moving.. Once you move the effect completely breaks becasue its all screen space dogshit

imagine being so retarded you believe that raster lighting effects are good enough lol

>>714008493
i do see it for myself, i tested it in a variety of games
it doesn't "bleed" at all, in fact that's one of the main drawbacks of standard lighting see: >>713997049

Looks better but it's still not as much of an improvement as I'd like, you're better off installing something like NVE.
https://www.razedmods.com/gta-v

>>713970309
maybe if you're talking about indian cyber cafes, but the 3050 is like a 1050 with a couple of useless rt cores.

>>713997815
>for games like indiana jones, you can get away with just baking lighting.
No you can't

>>714008792
hell no.
just pirate it on pc.

It appears that everyone with a low end AMD GPU is an expert on ray tracing

>>714010390
you can

>>714011280
can't

>>714010390
>>714011302
does it have a day night cycle with a moving sun?

>>714011302
can

>>713979741
Reminder these are the zoomers you argue with constantly on /v/

>>714001034
...And...?

That doesn't refute his point, you massive retard.

>>713990456
>Literally ghost artifacts in your fucking image's UI
>Good
No.

>>714011874
that's in the game you daft spastic

>>714011874
that's an intentional effect that happens even with no AA no DLSS no FG nothing

i swear you faggots jump and scream at the tiniest little shred of effect persistence and immediately scream that it's ghosting or smearing
guess what: in vermintide 2 when you swing a weapon it leaves a small trail - this isn't ghosting or smearing that is the intended graphical effect. you gonna have a seizure over it when someone draws DLSS ACTIVATED over the screen, but pretend it's normal when there's no dlss?

>complains about image quality in RT/DLSS
>has a 1080p monitor and a GTX GPU

>>714011482
- can't
- no puedo
- ne peux pas
- kann nicht
- non posso
- não posso
- нe мoгy
- नहीं कर सकता
- لا أستطيع
- 不能
- できない
- 할 수 없다
- siwezi
- kan niet
- kan inte
- nie mogę

>>714012897
kan

>>714013074
It can. But I wonder how much storage the baked lighting would take if they did them at a resolution that matches the current lighting. Some of the maps are pretty big.

>>713969702 (OP)
SVOGI can do that and can run on the nintendo switch.

>>713969762
>raytraced
none of those objects cast shadows

>>714013849
considering that shadow of the tomb raider is about 40gb, it can't be that big.

>>714013074
KAN'T

>>714014405
Well it doesn't seem that highly detailed in that picture.

>>714014595
I can't confirm the quality settings as I grabbed the screenshot from google (epic game store page), but it looks fine enough, and it runs on old hardware with great framerate.

>>713985810
Not every surface is a fucking mirror dumbass, a stucco wall doesn't blast 99.999% of the light that hits it back at nearby bridges, top image looks retarded

>>714014532
I assume you got raytracing on, and still you get THIS lighting with THIS FPS?
You got scammed.

>>713970515
this. nu-hitman looks like shit with rt because it turns all windows into mirrors

>>713988758
That's a window. In the original you're seeing the texture of the opposite wall, in RTX ON you're seeing orange smog filling the corridor.

>bwo... waytacing

>>714015442
>RUNNING 8K WITH 8X MSAA

>>714016453
that resolution is a bit wasted on textures that low.
HOWEVER, the game looks great without raytracing and is still able to push 80fps

>>714016589
that's with ray tracing

>>714016648
Impressive, very nice. Let's see it without raytracing

>>714016806
tomb raider only has RT shadows.
I can add RTGI in the Nvidia menu but it doesn't look much

>>713970926
Well it was a 360 ps3 game ported to pc what did you expect? Ray tracing cant fix the muddy smudged god awful art design ala rdr2, smeary dlss taa trash

>>714016453
that looks gay as fuck
ansel is cringe btw

>>714017215
>but it doesn't look much
and there we have it.
Jungle setting looks fine without raytracing, indiana jones would have been better without it as a hard requirement.

>>714016648
The only raytracing that's really present in that scene is raytraced sun shadows. No global illumination or stuff like that is used.

>>713969702 (OP)
Can't stress how little I care about the bottom when the top is good enough

>>713970309
Oh no...

>>713981603
Witcher 3 looks way better with RT when indoors. Outdoors it's a minor difference mainly visible in foliage and bodies of water.

>>714017727
top looks way better, the raytraced version may be more "realistic" but it looks so grey and lifeless. i want stylization in games, not ugly reality

>>714017727
the bottom image in ur example isnt from classic but from the remaster.... literally explained in the fucking previous comment.
classic had better raster lighting and AO which they adjusted/took out in the remaster.

>>714018065
>the bottom image in ur example isnt from classic but from the remaster
it looks the exact same in the classic version, want me to find that location and take the screenshot?

>>714018135
sure... ive done these comparisons before and it does look downgraded in remaster without rt. just use hbao in classic.

>>714018261
okay brb i'm gonna find that place

>>714018135
that made me check if we still had access to it, made my evening.

I have yet to see a single RT comparison pic where it wasn't a battle between "Good enough" and "Attempting perfection"

>>714018594
have you tried running a game with ray tracing so you're not fed bullshit from other people?

>>714018895
I don't think I've actually PLAYED a game that has RTX features.

Should I get RDR2 or Cyberpunk?

I know RDR2 is really fun and cp not really but I want I love those worlds and the way cdpr handles their games (never finished one though)

>>714017727
https://youtu.be/HH87uJzUoew?si=RI8ezG_fQGUZClmZ&t=368
Looks very soulful with the colored bleed light from the buildings.

Why do RT fags try so hard to justify purchasing 9 quintillion dollar hardware for technology that is completely unnecessary on games that look and run like shit? Completely wasted potential.

>>714018305

>>714017369
>forced RTGI via nvidia drivers similar to what reshade does
>and there we have it ....
like that's some sort of win for you? fucking idiot

>>714019116
If you followed the reply chain from like 2 hours ago, you'd see that it started with
>cyberpunk is pretty much the only game where raytracing is justified.
That screenshot proves that

>>714019285
I'm not trying to justify anything. I use ray tracing. Why do you think I give a flying fuck if someone else can't run it?

>>714019364
That's a nothing statement, I don't care that you can run it either.

Why do people bother talking about RT
you buy a new gpu you get it, end of story

baked lighting won

>>714019483
Because you need the absolute latest GPU to run path tracing at anything approaching sane FPS. $$$

baked lighting won.

>>714019637
>>714019763
>NOOO, MY RTX5090TI
>MY MOOONEEEEY

>>714019718
path tracing can be done on games like cp or aw2 for less than 1000€ using 5070 ti at 1440p at reasonable fps
and since in 2025 average gpu costs like 600€ so its nothing special

then most games dont use rt for everything and even amd 9070 xt can run heavy rt games well, just not path tracing

>>713969702 (OP)
>watch how we change the lighting in this disgusting burgerpunk overpass alley
Damn if that isn't worth the $2k gpu then I don't know what is!

>>714019903
Right and cp uses multiple frames of accumulation which is instantly noticeable when there are rapid switches in lights. Time to shell some money for the 60xx series for the ultimate RT experience that still isn't per frame full path tracing without accumulation.

>>714020185
i refuse to believe accumulation shit will ever be solved desu`
unreal and nvidia dont care anyway. the prerendered trailers and still scenes wont have noise and thats exactly what they will show.

>>713986454
why is it always dumb ESL chimping out over the most pointless shit? go away nigger, no one gives a shit

>>714019898
SAAR DO NOT REDEEM BAKED LIGHTING SAAR!!!! DO NOT REDEEM GI SAAR!!! DO NOT REDEEM OPTIMIZATION SAAR!!!

>>713969702 (OP)
>We made the area less dark
>That'll be $1000 for your GPU, goy

>>714019470
so what's your point? You're in a ray tracing thread. You can't run it. I can. I'm happy. You're not happy.

>raytracing

>faggot

>>713969702 (OP)
While it does look better, it still has ps3 level lights.
Here's my character staring at a light and having her face covered in shadow for some reason.
Excuse my poor 2060, it doesn't have the memory to handle ultra RT without turning into a slide show, but feel free to test on your own rig, that's the clothing store just across from the stripclub, the light is the one right next to the door.

>>714020739
I refuse to believe that Callisto Protocol has made anybody happy.

>>714018065
haha nope you're lying
look at this: https://youtu.be/AfujYuWcwUA?si=5BVifOAp2ykGMb1P&t=968
decade old video from the old Witcher 3 version - the interiors in Novigrad look just as poorly lit and flat, they've always looked like that. your tale of the next-gen version intentionally downgrading the non-rt lighting is pure cope

>nooo muh heckin global illuminationerino i need to see everything at all times think of frickin light bounces broooo!

>>714021286
the video is a bit shit so here is another one that shows it better: https://youtu.be/0vo0WsEax8g?si=rGU65Y-uda-MjzMd&t=265
TLDR:
Witcher 3 indoors before the nextgen update 100% looked like the bottom pic in >>714017727 and this cope that it was somehow intentionally downgraded for the nextgen version is ridiculous

>>714021457
Light bounces have been with us in this room since games like Quake.

>>713971264
I kneel

>>714019637
>One city reused endlessly across dozens of games with minimal changes
It didn't win shit, if anything that's a really strong argument against RT.
It's even recycled in a completly different IP lmfao

>>713969702 (OP)
>looks worse
is this some jewish trick to bamboozle white people out of money again?

>>713969702 (OP)
Whoa dude... it looks... more orange... and areas that are supposed to be shaded or dark really aren't... whoa...
$4000 gimmick and -70% FPS

>>714022493
>and areas that are supposed to be shaded or dark really aren't
why would those areas look dark? it's broad daylight, the sun is out. do you think it's pitch black darkness under umbrellas when the sun is shining during rain?

>>713969702 (OP)
kys faggot cunt

>>714021258
oh. I refuse to believe that not running ray tracing could make someone seethe so much.

>>713993109
>its an amdfag. the image looks like shit because its fsr.
thats native dlaa

>>714022789
You're magnetically drawn to shit games, you cunt.

>>713970836
>deep contrasting darks and lights like it should be rather than washed out RT low contrast moderns lop
Sex

>>713970309
how brown is your skincolour?

>>714021609
>console dogshit footage

>>714023803
>all the games I can't run are shit
Go on. Show us your Steam recently played list. All those 2007 games or 8bit indie shovelware which barely run on your shitbox which you're forced to play.

Raytracing was always going to become the standard rendering method, we just clowned on it for nvidia trying to sell $2000 cards that cut your framerate in half for enabling simulated ambient occlusion. We're only just now starting to see games developed for ray tracing rather than having it slapped on at the last minute during development. Then nvidia comes along and makes retarded bullshit like Portal 1 on DX8 with pathtracing that runs at 8FPS on a $3000 card and tells you to run the game at 240p with their gay proprietary upscaler and pretend it looks good.

>>714024090
>70ms latency (mfg x4)
>108 goyframes (30 fps base)
>8K but looks like a 720p and im being generous

>>714024271
DD2 doesn't have frame gen.
You're rocking a 1080p screen anyway you insufferable cunt. How the fuck would you know image quality. lol

>poorfags spent so much time infront of their PCs they think lack of shadows, lack of reflections, lack of gi and flat washed out grey color grading is good and artistic

>>714024525
Never let perfect be the enemy of good enough

>dd2 doesnt have framegen
>clearly uses framegen because 70ms latency at 100 real fps is impossible

Everything not a 4090/5090 is low end.

>>714024820
>retard believes rendering 8k is like rendering on his 720p monitor

>>713981603
>here's (((classic))) witcher 3 shot from 2022. they took out HBAO+ from the (((remaster))) on purpose so the RT-off version looks worse than the RTGI one.
You're lying out your ass here. Witcher 3's HBAO+ barely has any visual difference in interiors compared to the SSAO the (((remaster))) initially shipped with.

Witcher 3's (((remaster))) initially launched without HBAO+ that's true, but they readded it with a patch very soon after.
https://www.thewitcher.com/us/en/news/47767/patch-4-02-list-of-changes
>"Restored horizon-based ambient occlusion. Players who had previously turned Ambient Occlusion off will need to do so again. You can find it in Options Video Graphics."
You can use HBAO+ in Witcher 3 next gen without issues now, and guess what: it looks basically the same as SSAO. HBAO+ does not affect this scene in any meaningful way, as seen from the pic. The lighting still looks ugly and flat compared to RTGI. I can record this with webms if you don't believe it.

Anyone who can play the game or take screenshots can tell you're lying.

>>714025656
Bottom left corner is HBAO+ not GTAO+, I always mix up the two in my head.

>>714024268
games developed for it have the same problems as others

>>714025504
It's blurry as shit, you conceited fraud.

>>714010109
it does cyberpunk path tracing things affect too much the lightning around, the indirect rebound is too strong and vulgar. too much strength, it makes everything looks like lego or some shit

also ol lightning allow for subtle, nuanced clean lightning. maybe devs are retarded but if they all ar ethere is ssomething wrong with RT itself

>>714024820
Games and game engines innately have different latency. Killzone 2 had like 250ms latency.

>>714025656
adjust the gamma bruh. that's literally all RTGI is about. it would look the same with properly adjusted gamma and HBAO+

>>714026116
i had 42ms latency in dd2 with framegen enabled using the same fucking frameview overlay. that niggas pc is simply cooked

>>714014101
Theres a thing called ray traced illumination, its not just shadows

>>714019285
>the only game where raytracing is justified.
Metro Exodus, Star Wars Outlaws, Control, Anal Woke 2, Clair Obscur (yes software Lumen is a form of ray tracing), Robocop, Ghostrunner 2*, Hogwarts Legacy*

Asterisk because you need to mod them to enable features like RTGI and skylight which make the ray tracing visually transformative. Those are just the ones I've seen just now browsing my Steam library (besides AW2 in Epic). There are other games I haven't played which have good ray tracing and a couple in my library where RT doesn't improve much so I haven't included them.

>>714026296
>why is it taking longer to render 4x 4k screens?

>>714026162
>adjust the gamma bruh. that's literally all RTGI is about. it would look the same with properly adjusted gamma and HBAO+
Sorry but that's nonsense. It is 2PM sunny outside in the game world, and no amount of gamma tinkering changes the fact that the lighting with HBAO+ looks flat and ugly and like there isn't any sun or light outside.

problems with graphics is that devs try to make game look like real life through a youtube video on a screen

real life IRL through your own eyes doesnt look like that

result is overly dark creases opposite of flat lightning in an exggaretaed way, and thinking everything either matte or shiny due to the material and not the dust on something etc

lets not even talk about phones, the lens the filters effects artefacts etc

>>714026784
absolutely demolished that chud

automatic=slop in all cases.

not all games should look like real life. one of the good things video games has for itself is its unique visuals and art directions you cannot see anywhere else. easy to read, agreable to see=/= realistic

RT is communist shit they try to apply to everything forever to make everything shit forever

>>714027018
and the way some nigs eat that shit up and ask for more? despicable.

>>714026963
Fuck off.

>mogs all gaytraced games 10 years later

>>714026784
>its 2pm and the sun is out so interior should be fullbright
no
anyway now you know the secrets

>>714026784
>noooo it cant possibly be dark inside when its daytim-

>>714027270
it's dark inside because the camera is set for the levels from the outside light.

>>714026162
>it would look the same with properly adjusted gamma and HBAO+
retards who think raytracing only affects shadows or something are SO dumb. the surfaces in the tw3 rt one are all reflective

>rtgi
>reflections
im kekking like u wouldnt believe, retard-kun

>>714026162
>adjust the gamma bruh. that's literally all RTGI is about
why are these threads always so full of retards like this
yes, your FPS is being cut in half to... dynamically tweak the gamma slider
fucking cretin

>>713969772
not on cs.rin or kemono
it's over...

>>713969702 (OP)
>>713987579
So this amazing raytracing that people are spending thousands of dollars on just makes it look like someone added a bunch of spotlights everywhere.
Fuck I thought it was some massive increase to the quality of everything.

>>714027552
>The Witcher 3's next-gen update introduces ray tracing through four key features: Ray Tracing Global Illumination (RTGI), Ray Traced Ambient Occlusion (RTAO), Ray Traced Shadows, and Ray Traced Reflections
oh no no no no no you can literally see the reflective surfaces in that screenshot. something that adjusted gamma levels cant do, you retard hahahaha
>BUT IT WOULD TOTALLY LO--l-lo-look the s-s-s-same

>>714027125
>no sharp shadows
>little contrast between lit surfaces and dark ones
>everything just glows an ambient grey

Every time someone posts this webm as an argument against RT I am immediately alerted to the fact that they are either visually impaired or are arguing from ignorance, having simply never played a game with ray tracing. Which is weird since I just got done with this game and it does look amazing at times, this webm is a poor example of how good this game can look. And why does it look amazing at times? Due to a rudimentary form of GI which approximates ray tracing, and tanked performance on contemporary hardware (and still challenges current hardware).

>>714024271
This guy is completely right.

>>714024090
You eat shit.

>>714027827
COPE

>>714026162
>just change the gamma bro it's that easy
Godamn, that's so smart. Why haven't Nvidia and their RTX divisions and game developers across decades ever thought of that? Just shift the gamma values a bit and you get raytracing!

>>714027594
>>714028096
>>714026784
in like 2 minutes of reshade tweaking you can get the game looking like that RT image

>>714028604

>>714028604
2 minutes per frame maybe

>reshade mentioned

>>714028859
it's true, I'm not that other anon but I modded tw3 extensively and I'm still mad about the downgrade and retarded cutscene lighting

>>714028908
what?

>>714028604
You can tinker with color grading or LUTs or AmbientLight.fx or SSR-tricks all you want, but you cannot get light to behave like actual light through some Reshade tricks. I know, I've tried. Reshade is best for color-correction and inserting CAS.

>>713969702 (OP)
>adjust gamma and saturation
>get free raytracing and additional eye candy

>>714027986
>You eat shit.
lol you can't post your list because I'm 100% correct.

>>713969762
What the fuck is this "_____sisters" shit that is everywhere? It so fucking retarded.

>>714030108
Nobody owes you anything, faggot.

>>714030325
>I can't post my recently played games list because it'll prove they're all 2008 shovelware which runs on my windows 98 laptop
we all know anon. we can smell you

>>714027270
If the sun is directly lighting up the room then there should be some illumination.
In the non-RT mode of the Witcher 3 you can literally have the sun fully shining directly on a glass window of a house, go inside the house, and then see zero daylight penetrating the room. Dark like a crypt, even though the sun is shining directly through. If your brain somehow tricked you into thinking that's "normal" lighting while RT lighting (that actually lets daylight break through the window and properly illuminates the room) is the weird one, there's no helping you.

>>714031049
That's your own rot you're smelling, you tranny turd burglar.

>>714031049
>we

>>714031380
>>714031690
still no lists. what a huge poorfag you must be. hahahahahaha

>>713969702 (OP)
Psuedi-dynamic radiosity/indirect lighting has existed in games as early as 2011 in Battlefield 3 you Neanderthal.

https://www.wolfire.com/blog/2011/03/GDC-session-summary-Battlefield-3-Radiosity/

Let me guess, you need more?

>>714031817
so it's not dynamic then.

>>714031221
you're exaggerating

>>714031780
Stop shitting your nappy, tranny.

>>714010264
all i can say is: nigga, use that mod with the raytracing.
(i remember this or some other mod getting an update to support that version of gta v)

>>714031943
>The PC version of the game will use this technology in the game itself to change the indirect lighting in response to destroyed walls... interpolating between regularly-spaced light probes (using spherical harmonics).
Let me guess, you need more?

>>714032398
Yes. It isn't dynamic.

>>714032279
>you must be shitting in your nappy with your 5090 playing ray traced games, while I'm playing Morrowind on my windows xp laptop
ha ha ha

>>714032398
i hope you show how it looks in video, but i'm gonna say that probe based lighting has low resolution, which isn't a problem outdoors, but will not look good indoors, and will have blurry shadows.

Like you should understand that rt and pt is one solution fits all kind of stuff, while every other tech has it's drawbacks, however innovative it is.

>>714032769
I would shit my nappy if I had to play on a 5090 instead of a 6000 pro.

>>714032090
>you're exaggerating
It's a warm sunny day in game with 4PM sunlight directly entering this room through a clear window, the light properly spreading around the room. With the game's legacy lighting, why does the sunny day become blue and why does the room starts looking like a dim evenly-lit cellar with stone walls?

>>714033082
I run games with path tracing at higher frames than you run 1080p without, fucking lol @ u

>>714032680
was gonna write up about recent video i watched about implementing DDGI in a voxel engine, but looks like i forgot that it uses raytracing (but maybe it doesn't use hardware rt)
Like using probes for dynamic scenes is actually possible. but the resolution is low, basically no hard shadows. But it gives cool bounce lighting.

>>714033287
The rtx 5090 can't even hit 30 fps on cyberpunk 2077, a 5 year old game. An rtx 6000 pro can. There is literally 0 reason to use an rtx 5090 over an rtx 6000 pro unless you're poor.

>>714033425
and your PC can't run it at all.

>>714032894
>PT has no drawbacks
OK, now disable your denoisers, upscalers and frame interpolators.

>>714026437
But its also shadows, right? cause where are they?

>>714033518
>having a sports car has no drawbacks
>ok now remove all your wheels and take out the engine

>>714033507
>to quoque argument against someone you don't even know is the same as the one you were arguing with earlier
Retard.

>>714033425
A 6000 Pro is only faster than the 5090FE.
It's the same speed as an Aorus Master or MSI Suprim

>>714033767
your PC can't run it at all.

>>714003018
You dont actually think that

>>714033782
Only the stock one is the same speed.
>>714033848
Too bad it can.

>>714034000
>Too bad it can.
I don't believe you.

>>713988778
Far Cry Vengeance

>>714034091
>nooo you can't own a better GPU than me, I am the top 1% because I own a consumer GPU
Cope.

>>714034228
You don't own a better GPU than me. That's my point.

>>714034270
Lots of people do. There is nothing unbelievable about it. The 5090 is a consumer GPU.

>>713969702 (OP)
The image above is lit more correctly than the image below. Surfaces are not inherently reflective and buildings tends to block out the sun really well.

Nvidia's generic RT looks super ass, it just splooshes lighting around without any care for angle, obstructions or proper object context. IRL its very hard for light to reflect off stuff, it's why it looks so different when you go from out on the street to a pristine mall full of reflective surfaces. The world is not a mirror.

This is why games from around the 2015-2018 era are still the most realistic games, because complete GI became standard as a feature in most engines while devs still had to manually decide how materials and surfaces would interact with the lighting.

>>714033168
the room is blue and has very dim looking lighting because realistically that window is way too small and its design makes the light so diffuse that it wouldn't affect anything inside the room for more than half a meter AT MOST. Most of the materials in that room have a dim and cold color, so the room is dim and cold.

>>714005245
then show a webm with it fixed

>>714034339
I didn't say other people. I said you, specifically. retard

>>714034368
the division would look great with ray tracing

>>714034403
You claim you don't believe I can run the game at all. If you need to believe that low to satisfy your point of thinking I have a weaker GPU than you, then that implies either your GPU can't run cyberpunk at all or it barely does.

>>714034549
No, it would look ass because it would make the game that takes place around a bunch of dark buildings in winter and with barely any light sources somehow appear warm and yellow in the day and super lit and constantly reflective at night. The Division 1's GI is specifically made to look real to the game's location and materials and textures were made with care to not ruin the scene by reflecting light without reason. Ray Tracing is only capable of its name sake, casting tons of rays of lighting from a source without any care for contexts such as "is this place filled with stuff that are reflective of light or not? is this place filled with materials and certain colors that would influence the lighting properly? how early should the light stop depending on what it hits?". Ray Tracing only takes into account a simple path and the color of the source of light itself. If you use just ray tracing to lit a completely snow covered forest with an early morning sun, ray tracing will make everything look like a warm yellow mess because it cannot take into account that snow makes ambient light cold due to how light interacts between all the snowflakes. You need manual work and artistry to do that.

>>713969772
>screenspace "ray tracing"
kill yourself

>>714034368
>the room is blue and has very dim looking lighting because realistically that window is way too small
That window is twice the height of Geralt and he's a tall dude. It's not a small window.
Even if it were small, the sun light is shining DIRECTLY through it. There is no excuse for zero illumination.

>>713972432
>Stupud is atypid
Retard

>>714034368
Everything reflects light, otherwise they would be black. Do you own a room with a window? Direct exposure of sunlight can easily light up the room. The sun isn't that big so the sun is entirely visible, only slightly obstructed by the tree. 70% of the light from the sky is from direct illumination from the sun, while the atmosphere is only 30%.

>>714034368
The most obvious example is when the ground is wet outside at night under street lights, unless there is basically a puddle then the tarmac with water on it doesn't have reflections of any coherent image.

But the unrealistic mirrors on the floor slop has been the main method of marketing RT

>>713980389
Its pretty simple to understand, maybe youa re retarded?

>>714035505
Read the OP then think about how your post could possibly be relevant.

>>713969702 (OP)
?? All it does is make the bridge brighter

>>714035714
At half the fps

>>713970309
>3050
I currently have an RTX 3050 4GB GPU
How fucked am i

>>713970309
The "30" is the series
The "50" is the tier of performance
50<60<70<80<80ti<90

it is quite literally the lowest end of the performance tiers for that card generation. Priced for the budget-minded consumer. And that was two generations ago.

>>714035751
Fine for eSports and anything made before 2020 and a coin flip for anything newer

>>714033168
those who grew up playing 2000-2015 games grew up on raster lighting and they take all of its quirks/tricks as ground truth of graphics. trying to show them how raster lighting can be ugly and nonsensical is like trying to teach a jehovah witness not to knock on doors

>>714035974
RT babies live in a world where all objects are welded to the ground, because Nvidia decided selling unnoticeable lighting changes was more immersive than physics

>>714036185
>RT babies live in a world where all objects are welded to the ground
kek it's the exact opposite
RT value skyrockets the more movement and physics there are in a game, because it will all always be properly lit
it's baked lighting that needs objects being welded to the ground

>>714036302
Compare crysis to almost any modern game and physics has been entirely neglected regardless

>>713969702 (OP)
What about image quality. RT has better lighting, but presumably also comes with added Vaseline smears in comparison to the original renderer. I have never personally played GTA V but from the looks of things, it predates the era of Vaseline smears (TAA)

>>714035925
Helldivers 2 runs at 144hz with no stuttering at medium settings, do with that what you will

>>714036525
>Compare crysis to almost any modern game and physics has been entirely neglected regardless
the newest Doom slop has better physics and interactivity than most recent games, much better than the previous 2 nuDooms that lacked it because their baked lighting solutions would look bad with it

>>714036752
This is hardly the norm currently, don't think I've seen anything close to this in a ue5 games which is the majority of games now

how come they never raytrace cel shaded games

there s been physics in games forever what is this meme of no rt=no physics can indians please stop posting?

>>713970836
>OpenGL 4.3 tech demo.
which one? can we run it on our PCs?

>>714023846
it's crazy that some random tech demo from the past is more sovlfvl than 99% of the games released today

>>713970836
was it this one? sponza.jpg
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