Thread 713979665

GGG co-founder and former director Chris Wilson just resurfaced after years of disappearance from the public eye to announce his new studio Light Pattern that will be working on a new D2-inspired game. His departure was never announced and there was no sendoff by the company. GGG is owned by Tencent (China).

>>713979665 (OP)
As much as I like him, early Path of Exile and even what Path of Exile 2 is shaping up to be, Diablo 2 was a shit, not fun game and making it your whole personality is cringe. Addicting sure, but not fun.

>>713979921
faggot

>>713979665 (OP)
let me guess, it's gonna be another always-online f2p gaaslop like poe and after a couple of years they'll get bought out by tencent and the cycle will repeat all over again

>>713981176
yeah i stopped playing poe because of it. give me single player offline or fuck off

>>713979665 (OP)
German Goo Girls is owned by China?

>>713979665 (OP)
I hope never lets cancer like melee splash and multi strike plague his games ever again.

based, D2 was GOTYAY

>>713979921
Gay

>>713979921
Diablo 2 vanilla is dated, I'll grant you that. However, D2 modded is some of the most peak arpg you will find on the market today. The MedianXL mod for instance completely overhauls the game, giving you the aesthetic of D2 with gameplay more akin to current gen arpg's.

>>713979665 (OP)
I thought this nigga was owning grinding gear games and shiet
PoE1/2 was pure slop and still could not beat a 3 decade old D2 in gameplay

>>713979921
d2 is goated

>>713981896
median xl is some revamped schizo shit isnt pd2 more og essence

>>713979665 (OP)
Yeah it is pretty cringe that GGG never acknowledged him leaving and even lied about it back in 2023. Now he is competing for employees with them and probably poaching GGG talent. Seems they had a bad breakup.

>>713981419
>nazi porn
>owned by a nazi nation
Surprised?

>>713979665 (OP)
>new d2
Oh, please. Was funny when grim dawn did it, but this is beyond ridiculous. Just look what the ex witcher devs did with their vampire game.

>>713981896
Non of the mods change the worst thing in D2, the gameplay, as in what you you do on moment to moment basis, how you move your character, how you attack monsters, cast spells etc. D2 gameplay is objectively the most braindead, dogshit thing you can do in vidya, akin to cookie clicker. Most people who claim to 'like' diablo don't actually like playing it, they are just addicted to cheap dopamine hits from bullshit skinnerbox mechanics.

>>713979665 (OP)
literally noone has been able to do what D2 does because noone understands D2.

>>713979665 (OP)
I'd legit bid 200 on that

>>713983286
>you're just having artificial fun

ill check out chris's new game but i shant be paying more than 30 bucks for it. he's the one who green lit all the zoom zoom adhd bullshit in poe and it's awful for it

>>713979665 (OP)
>>713983431
My brother still has that og collectors box that came with a huge ass encyclopedia of the D2 monsters. He bought it back in 2001; wonder how much it's worth today.

>>713981419
Threadly "Fuck You" to Thompson for censoring Manga's scenes in rereleases.

>>713983486
Yes you are

>>713979921
>you enjoy thing?
>NOOO THAT MEANS YOU ARE MAKING IT YOUR ENTIRE PERSONALITY

>>713979665 (OP)
It'll be shit

>>713981896
MedianXL felt like Diablo 2 trying to be Diablo 3 to me. I didn't like it.

>>713983286
You another insecure Diablo 4 fan that thinks shitting on Diablo 2 will make your game appear better, aren't you?

>>713981896
>>713979921
>Diablo 2 has dated gameplay/is addictive but not fun
how many of you have played the game outside of battle.net spamming trist, tomb and baal runs? that's how I played it back in the day, and it was only recently that I got d2r on switch and played it offline, hardcore and ofc solo self found, and /p8 and it was a much more compelling experience than ANY other arpg I have played, games that mistakenly think that the thing to copy from d2 and expand upon is nothing more than the concepts or skill trees and loot pinatas. but when you play the game solo and you don't have infinite aoe at the start of the game, you are forced to play some what methodically and I even ran a spear on my zeal paladin for a while simply because it had longer range and allowed me to kill enemies with zeal from more range without getting hit while being rooted in place.

no other arpg even has a concept of weapon range, they're just stat sticks.

>>713985437
If you lurk Diablo 2 threads, you'll realize that most people on /v/ have never actually beaten hell mode before without help. They were the newbs that begged for grushes and free items while following a guide to the letter.

>>713985662
you don't need to play all the way till hell to "understand" what D2 actually is, beyond "the outdated skill trees", and "the outdated (eg not as psychologically exploitative as today's arpgs) loot". playing to the end of act 5 in hc/p8 solo is good enough.

>>713986304
The campaign is the tutorial. The real game doesn't start until you beat hell Baal.

>>713986304
So you're bad at video games and proud of it. Ok. I beat hell mode when I was a little kid single player because I was using a pirated copy and couldn't connect to bnet. I had no help and played as a barb.

>>713979665 (OP)
>yet another D2-inspired game
There are way too many of those. When is there going to be a D1-inspired game?

>>713986492
A Diablo 1 inspired roguelite would be ideal but blizzard will never make it because it's not live service slop.

>>713986492
They did. It's called Torchlight 1.

>>713986304
>you don't need to play all the way till hell to "understand" what D2 actually is
This guy played D2 for 10 hours to complete the normal difficulty, quit the game, and pretends like he knows everything about the game.

>>713986663
>Cartoon graphics
>Inspired by the grimdark Diablo

>>713986464
>90% of the game isn't representative of the game
do you even know how stupid you sound
>>713986476
I said you don't need to complete hell solo HARDCORE to UNDERSTAND d2

>>713986863
You get the same experience of descending into a single dungeon. You're a baby if you're filtered by graphics. Grow up

>>713979665 (OP)
THIS TIME FOR SURE

>>713986492
>There are way too many of those.
There aren't, since it's not been beaten yet
once your game is playable and good after 3 decades, you may submit your application

>>713986476
patch 1.0 or whatever og version was also had many weird things, you could not buy mana pots from vendors and shit
I forget half
but it was harder

>>713985437
is the purest form of d2 uber speed runs? might be.... might be

>>713985071
Now you're on to something.... time to start gamblemaxxing

>>713983286
>it's all bullshit!
>still can't be beaten
brutal

>>713986929
No you said this:
>you don't need to play all the way till hell to "understand" what D2 actually is

That implies that you've never beaten hell mode. That's fine. You're allowed to be bad at video games.

>>713979665 (OP)
Another Diablo clone? Wow we totally don't have enough of those.

>>713987002
To be fair, with all the knowledge of what to do and what NOT to do that he has had with GGG, he might be the perfect guy for making a D2 successor.

Or he might just pursue some autistic vision that's not going to work out.

>>713986973
You're the own who must grow up and stop enjoying minecraft tier aesthetics.
They were meant for kids and not adults.

Thanks, but I'm sticking with Diablo 4.

>>713987061
No, it doesn't imply that at all. I have, but not hardcore. Beating hell is not a matter of being good/bad at video games to begin with, how deluded can you be?

>>713987141
Video games are for kids in general. You're allowed to enjoy childish things without feeling insecure about it.

>>713981176
the only clear thing is that he describes the studio as "boutique" so likely a smaller experience, which makes more sense for a buy-once type of game or a softer live service.

>>713985662
any of the old players that played on release may not have even played 1.10 which drastically made the game different and came out like 3 years afterward.

>>713987243
>Video games are for kids in general
Factually wrong.

>>713986929
It's not 90% though. It takes an order of magnitudes more time to hit max level, and thus actually beat the game, than it takes to beat hell Baal.

>>713987061
Are you seriously bragging about clearing Hell mode?

It's going to be a TCG btw, the D2 inspiration is just the worldbuilding and character design

>>713987061
Nigger, there is zero skill involved in beating diablo 2 on hell. All you need to do is be persistent enough to grind enough monsters for items so those monster become non factor.

>>713987443
Good, because hearthstone needs a competitor.

>>713987352
It's a childish hobby. Those ratings were to appease republicans in the 90s that have never played a video game.

>>713987352
Venom bites off heads in spider man, that's fitting for teens according to picrel.

>>713987363
>hitting max level,a meaningless grind, is beating the game
this is why today's arpgs suck ass, because the average arpg enjoyer is literal cattle

>>713987478
>>713987192
>>713987192
>Beating hell is not a matter of being good/bad at video games to begin with

Yes it is. I beat it with negative resistances as a kid and you need to be really fucking careful not to get hit by frost novas upon death, fetishes/venom lords spewing inferno, etc. It was definitely hard for child me to do that. There were a lot of one shots. It might be easy for a shitter like you in current year asking for grushes, following guides, and begging for items online, though. It's not the same experience as it was back then playing single player with no guides.

>>713987535
>It's a childish hobby
If you're a nintentoddler.

>>713987352
>>713987243
if you're not underaged, you remember the K&A rating on games. for kids AND adults.

>>713981896
>MedianXL

What this anon meant to type was PlugY.

>>713987742
You're coping and living in denial. Go ask your parents if they think video games are intended for children. They're for kids, teenagers, and manchildren. I'm perfectly fine with that.

>>713987668
>I beat it with negative resistances as a kid
so you beat it despite being bad

>>713987267
>tfw this pic older than most of /v/s current userbase
I quit d2 when WoW was 6 months old, but I played from the very fucking beginning (minus 1 week). Last char was a 98 hammerdin with a legit enigma. Found Jah in act3 sewers and watched the Ber drop myself.

>>713987535
>republicans
>Joe Lieberman
>Herb Kohl
kek

>>713987883
No, what I did took skill. You're bad for grinding away all of the difficulty. Begging for vipermagi makes you worse at the game not better.

Peak DII is playing solo with way off meta builds. Throwing Barbarian, Hunger Druid, Blade Fury Assassin, Crossbow Necro, etc.

>>713987970
so what you're saying is that you can grind away at the game, and beat hell with statistical advantages despite being bad. so youre agreeing with me, beating hell is not a matter of skill, and having beaten hell does not tell you whether a player is skilled or not

>>713979921
This is correct, only the most casual unpleasant retards that don't belong here like diablo 2. The kind of people that genuinely want to shut their brain off ans "play" games as barely interactive aesthetic experiences. PoE is good because there's a gorrilion stat interactions, a highly advanced crafting system, and complex economy. In diablo 2 you just go down a single line on your skill tree, collect runewords, and get all your upgrades from a gambling vendor. It's just a complete non-game and I have absolutely zero respect for people who praise it today. Such a person is just screaming to me that they're a complete normalfag moron full of bad takes that needs to be kept away from the internet before they attract other dumb normalfag retards and ruin this place further.

They get often overlooked, but D2 fanbase is one of the worst and annoying fanbases when it comes to video games.

>>713988195
Nearly every RPG can be trivialized when you grind away the difficulty. Wizardry games are very fucking difficult but if you want to spend hundreds of hours grinding and multiclassing, you can trivialize those games too.

The fault lies not with the game but with you. Since you're bad at games, you grind instead of risking danger by progressing.

>>713988387
ok so you're agreeing though that just because someone has beaten hell, that does not tell you whether or not they're a good player.

>>713987970
The "skill" part in diablo is making the correct choices in terms of progression and gear management to beat the game as quickly as possible. It's requires no motor control to beat with bad gear, it's just slower. You're so bad at games you think this very easy game is challenging.

>>713988387
Your childhood "achievement" is meaningless and nobody thinks you are cool or an epic gamer for beating the game as a kid.

>>713988214
Nice tranny pic

>>713988527
>>713988454
>>713988464
At the end of the day, by coping and seething because you've never beaten hell mode, you will always be considered a bad Diablo player.

>>713979665 (OP)
he didn’t even say what king of game he was working on

>>713988698
You're really sad.

>>713988387
You can't grind in the Wizardry games thay are actually good (the Bradley ones) since experience occurs on a curve and you can't really surpass a certain level threshold. Gameplay boils down to risk management, efficient battling/leveling, and navigating the maze well, which just means less resting and as a result less tedium and random encounters. Let's just face it, you're dumb and should go back to codex or kiwifarms or whatever other dunning kruger poseur shithole you crawled out from.

>>713988698
it's so funny how you lash out and just repeat stupid things after your argument has been dismantled kek

>>713988814
>never beating the hardest difficulty means I'm good at the game
>it-it's not a hard game ANYWAY

>>713988214
Modern PoE1 is a bloated, overwhelming mess with many mechanics people criticized D3 for, such as multiplicative mods and item progression hinging on trading, which is funny and ironic, considering the very same playerbase shitted on D3 for auction house and items with +20000% damage bonuses.

>>713988859
lmao bro just has to double down and tell himself he won

>>713979665 (OP)
>diablo 2 clone
Yeah because there isn't a billion of those already.
HOW ABOUT COMING WITH SOMETHING NEW YOU FUCKING HACK.YOU HAD 20 YEARS TO DO THAT AND ALL YOU COULD COME UP WITH WAS ANOTHER D2?!

>>713988859
I've beaten the game multiple times solo all the way to Hell, it's just not an achievement I've ever been proud of because... well there's nothing to it, really.

>>713989009
There is no debate here. If you can't beat hell mode without help, you're objectively worse at the game than someone who can. You can cope and seethe and smear shit on the walls about how "it doesn't matter because D2 is EZ" but you're still worse at the game than someone who can.

>>713979665 (OP)
I miss him so much bros. POE just isnt the same

>>713988941
PoE is easily beatable without item trading, it's actually a problem how easy it is to beat ubers with just regular playing now. PoE1's main issue is stuff like being able to heal your full health bar every single game tic and other extremely meta things 90% of the playerbase don't know about.
>items with +20000% damage bonuses
This is diablo item structure. PoE doesn't have singular bonus stacking. Instead it has layered offensive and defensive stats that weave together, so you need a whole big soup of things if you want to do big damage like attack speed, crit, +phys, etc. Adding raw 10% damage when you already have 400% damage isn't very enticing.

>>713988821
>you can't grind if you play these 3 specific ones

Retard. I bet you don't even play Wizardry. Even in 8 where there is level scaling, you can still grind away and out scale the difficulty.

>>713989185
it's so fucking funny how you just won't accept you lost the argument. now you're suddenly inventing random scenarios where the person who beat hell must've gotten help to do so, despite admitting prior that you can just grind the game and/or make the right decisions by stacking resistances in order to beat it easily.
you're emotionally still a child it seems.

D2 is not all that good of a game. Nostalgia is carrying this game's reputation and endearment.

>>713979665 (OP)
>An announcement of an announcement of an announcement

Thanks OP now I am hype over no information and instead angry

>>713989556
It's one of the few good games in the genre for highly technical play.

>>713989506
What are you even arguing? >>713989185 was my argument and you're losing your shit over it. Anyone that isn't a lobotomized retard would agree with me. Claiming hell is easier because you can grind away the difficulty doesn't mean shit. If you didn't beat hell, you're worse at the game than someone who can. Pointing out that you can grind to make it easier doesn't make you better at the game for never attempting it.

Can these people stop making Diablo 2 clones

>>713989379
>Even in 8
8 isn't a Wizardry game, its a casual diaper game for morrowind babies. There are only 3 true Wizardry games if we view them like so:
>The original trilogy
>5
>The Bradley Trilogy
Since they are meant to be played as singular games you transfer through. Even the original trilogy has the same curved experience progression by floor, you can just benefit far more from things like Murphys ghost, where in later games this feature is more like an "oh God I completely ruined my party, how do I get their levels high up enough to reclass them" safety net.

>>713989556
Actually it's one of the best games ever made

>>713989876
You can grind in all of those to make the game way easier idiot. I've done it.

>>713989802
To be fair, this is like the actual diablo 2 clone guy. It's like asking Ronald Mcdonald to stop making hamburgers.

>>713989797
Hell just isn't enjoyable, so it really isn't something to care about. Running past monsters because you literally cannot damage them is no accomplishment.

>>713989797
But I did beat hell. But now you're inventing schizo scenarios where the person has gotten help. And again you have ALREADY admitted that having beaten hell (solo) does not say anything about whether the player is skilled or not. You're genuinely fucking retarded bro, just stop, please.

>>713989936
>You can grind in all of those to make the game way easier idiot
Experience is based on a skill curve like dnd. You can't hit max levels by killing boars like that one South Park episode and the focus isn't farming chores like in bad kid games like etrian odyssey.

Imagine spending your whole career in game development just making unsuccessful (in capturing what the game was) clones of a game that already exists instead of making something new. And somehow you people think this is something admirable.

>>713979921
>Diablo 2 was a shit,
Shit opinion. However, I will say that Diablo 2 LoD was a great baseline to be improved and thats why mods make the experience far better.
PoE with mods would be easily the best ARPG to ever exist.
>>713983076
there was a 4chan leak where someone told about this. Nobody should be surprised.
>>713988214
And another shit take. Most PoE interactions are literal garbage that only works after throwing mirrors at them. Not to mention "advanced crafting system" literally means just fucking gamba, but again, muh economy fags are legitimately retarded and should be put down. You wouldnt last 3 seconds on a real economy simulator so you have to shit up games to feel like you control something, and thats how rmtfags make their money. I would legit pay for a solo self-found focussed experience like the Circle of Fortune in Last Epoch so that I dont have to interact with economyfags ever again and fomotarding DIES with extreme prejudice.

>>713990149
PoE is the most popular diablo game.

>>713989969
It 100% does take skill to do. Any game where you have to avoid projectiles takes skill even if you want to argue that it doesn't. If you see projectiles coming you either avoid them or tank them if you grinded away the difficulty. It takes knowledge and skill to avoid on death affects like multishot corpse explosion and frost nova. You can argue that old school, turn based JRPGs don't take skill since it's just a raw stat check, though.

>>713990260
wow, you almost managed to read the parenthesis, but I guess not

>>713988384
Not even close.

Sonic
Nintendo
Playstation
Xbox
Minecraft
My Little Pony
League of Legends
Valorant
CoD
Halo
R6 Siege
FIFA
Madden
Five Nights at Freddy's
Fortnite
Roblox
Smash Bros
Street Fighter
Tekken
Pokemon
Undertale
Final Fantasy
WoW
Overwatch
Persona
Zelda
Kingdom Hearts
Team Fortress 2
GTA RP
Dead By Daylight
Borderlands
Any fucking gacha game

All of these fanbases are 100x worse than the "D2 fanbase".

>>713989324
Show us your ssf uber killing build, anon. Dont be coy now.

>>713989324
>PoE is easily beatable without item trading
I didn't say it isn't beatable, I meant that acquiring items through trading is objectively the fastest and easiest way of progressing.
>Instead it has layered offensive and defensive stats that weave together
If you multiply 500% by 400% you end by with the same 20000% D3 has to offer, it's just better obfuscated. PoE has way too many mechanics that work like this, which ended up dialing player damage numbers to millions and boss health pool to billions. It didn't use to be like this, back in the day only top geared glass cannon builds could barely pass million dps treshhold, and that was with broken skills like double dipped ignite or blade flurry. GGG completely shat the bed with patches like War for the Atlas and Delirium that ruined the balance in the game and should have been rolled back.

>>713990123
You grind in one floor until you can trivialize the next floor. Repeat. You run from the ninjas. Wow, that was hard.

>>713990267
but if that's the case, then why did the anon feel the need to say that he beat the game with negative resistances, and that was the element that necessitated skillful play? he's just an idiot who just says things just to say things and keeps talking himself into a corner in the process.

>>713990252
>Most PoE interactions are literal garbage that only works after throwing mirrors at them
Erm nope, that's not how it works at all. Its actually the exact opposite and the main reason PoE2 exists is to change how late game progression does away with stat layers. (For example, being able to heal your full health bar every game tic means for defensives only eHP matters now, effectively negating half of defensive stats) What a strange thing to say.

>>713990321
PoE captures the actual gameplay parts of diablo 2 that were good and builds on them, instead of being a grimderp interactive experience with music plagiarized from led zeppelin songs that slavs play because they love grimderp old games where they don't have to think but can pretend they are hardcore. I genuinely think umamusume pretty derby is a more complex and mentally engaging time waster than diablo 2.

>>713990458
It objectively takes more skill to beat the game with negative resistances than it does with positive ones because you are allowed fewer hits before death. You have to more skillfully evade the projectiles. For another example, take a look at shoot-em-up games.

Shoot-em-ups that only allow the player to suffer a single hit are always harder than ones that give you a life bar.

>>713990447
>You grind in one floor until you can trivialize the next floor
If I can beat the game in 2 hours and you can't beat the game in 40 hours, who is better at the game?

>>713990696
you don't seem to understand the argument. the point being, that he needed to point that out to prove that his play was skillful, which only plays into the arhuemnr, that you can have an easier time by stacking resistance, thereby reinforcing the argument that beating hell does not necessarily mean you're skilled.

>>713979921
I quit PoE2 the second those faggots didn't address endgame was the same AoEslop spamfest the genre was been forced to exist as since D2 started, and instead chose to double down on the retardedness while pushing $100 dlc packs in the process. Complete waste of a video game.

>>713990329
Bruh nah. Most of these fanbases are big enough to hold all kinds of people. D2 fans are all cut from the same self-obsessed holier than thou cloth, they truly think D2 is a FLAWLESS masterpiece. It's almost cultish behavior, as they lack any critical eye to the game.

>>713990481
OK, I will translate it to autist because you seem to need it.
Most interactions are literally worthless because they dont deal enough damage or create enough defense unless you throw mirrors at them.
> retarded shit about Poop2
PoE2 only exists to sell mtx. Its a shit game trying to be a soulslike that turns into instakill half a screen when you rmt the gear because destroying the screen with 1 click is peak arpg gameplay and thats what people would pay for, not clicking a thousand times to barely hurt a mob.
I dont know who picked up the phone at Sony when Miyazaki tried to sell his retarded "what if boss instakills you but you take half an hour to chip off half his hp pool" but both him an Miyazaki should be executed

>>713990916
That is cope. Beating hell makes you better and more skilled at the game than beating nightmare and normal because it's harder. The monsters do more damage and you take a heavier resistance penalty. Many monsters have blanket immunities. Just because you can grind to make it easier doesn't make hell easier than nightmare and normal. Your argument is nonsensical.

>>713979921
Fuck off

>>713990412
>It didn't use to be like this
It was literally always like this. The only issue is that now there are staple items which circumvent this whole process. Your entire progression is basically just headhunter>mageblood for every single build, then gem stacking. In PoE1. Not PoE2 though, which is still undercooked. However, I find that with every season they fix this more and more and make the boarding process more intuitive for new or returning players. For example, in this season mercenaries give you a lot of orbs early game, more orbs than any season ever, so a new player can easily craft great gear.

>>713990817
>>713988387
Now you're just repeating what I said 20 minutes ago. Another broken weeb you love to see it.

>>713991073
>Most interactions are literally worthless because they dont deal enough damage or create enough defense unless you throw mirrors at them.
You are incorrect and a stat that does +damage always gives you more damage. Are you conflating skills with stats? Because it's a good thing that PoE let's you dump mirrors into a character to do something stupid like making shield charge a primary offensive ability. That's cool and fun.

D2 is a perfect game, the only bad part about is the low ammount of skills and how hard forced classes feel. It's basically impossible to recreate early blizzard magic and hundreds of studios that have tried it have all failed. Hell, not even current blizzard or studios formed by early blizzard members can do it.

Also I can't believe I actually got smock bombed into buying poe2, I really thought the entire poe community crying about it being 'hard' and 'slow' meant something. But it's the same overdesigned aoe grind fest as every other d2 'clone'

>>713991087
>doesn't make hell easier than nightmare and normal
nobody ever implied it did. all I said was that beating hell doesn't mean someone is skilled at the game, because diablo 2 is not a game of skill, unless we call the bare minimum skill which is to not go afk while monsters beat on you

>>713990934
>the same AoEslop spamfest the genre was been forced to exist
You mean arpg? If you dont like it, fucking LEAVE instead of trying to ruin the genre. Fucking faggots. I hope any genre you like gets enshittified so that retards can jerk off about how "le hardcore" it is

>>713991347
Zeal Sorceress is a more modular and not-sorceress play style than any other arpg has

>>713991348
>because diablo 2 is not a game of skill
It is objectively a game of skill. We've been over this. >>713990267

There are ways to make the game easier but it's still an ACTION game at its core.

>>713991274
>Now you're just repeating what I said 20 minutes ago
You said you crawled through the game with bad gear. If you want to beat the game quickly you need to get the correct runes at countess, the correct gear at vendors, and teleport through the game. Crawling through this very easy game in crappy gear is not an accomplishment lol

>GGG
Fuck yeah I love GaoGaiGar

>>713991516
It might not be an accomplishment but it is definitely the more difficult way to play which was my point the entire time. Reading compression is difficult for retards.

>>713979921
Based. I played both diablo 2 and then it's remake and it's total shit. Might as well play borderlands because at least enemies don't respawn the moment you turn a corner.

>>713991347
>D2 is a perfect game
Bro what, 95% of builds just stack vitality and all use the same exact gear, and skill progression is a literal straight line where you put points in one talent 20 times then move to the next talent and put points in it 20 times. I have never, ever gotten a single good regular gear drop in diablo 2, 100% of my upgrades were from runes or gambling st vendors. How in the world is this a perfect game?

You make this thread every single day, surely you can do something to defend it other than sad posting with wojaks.

>>713991671
>but it is definitely the more difficult way to play which was my point the entire time.
And you're wrong and can't understand others because you're a dumb ESL. It takes more brain cells to efficiently play through the game quickly, which requires an optimized plan and adjusting it on the fly.

>>713991347
>But it's the same overdesigned aoe grind fest as every other d2 'clone'
Diablo 2 is also that.

>>713991970
It doesn't take more skill to grind away the difficulty and know that you have to turn left and the waypoint. Someone that slums through the game with terrible gear and beats it is more skilled at the game than someone who doesn't. This is just objective fact.

>>713992182
>It doesn't take more skill to grind away the difficulty
If I'm grinding away the difficulty how am I beating the game 20x faster than you, Pedro?

>>713992182
By that logic every game is a skill game if you are willing to inconvenience yourself for no reason whatsoever.

>>713992279
You're talking about speedrunning, right? That's due to practice and autistic knowledge of reading maps. That's literally it. You're at the mercy of luck and have a lot of persistence.

>>713992357
Most games are skill based. That's correct. An action RPG will always take more skill to beat than a game like Dragon Quest, though.

>>713991371
>You mean arpg?
Yeah, the genre that pic related properly dethroned D2 in.
>If you dont like it, fucking LEAVE instead of trying to ruin the genre.
D2 already did this, though. The genre was better before it existed, and has become better the second the genre moved away from it. It's hilarious how so many games still try to "recapture" the D2 experience, but simply can't because the experience is liquid dogshit at it's core, and D2 already exists with Blizzard's undeserved pedigree tied to it.
It's mindless cookie-clicker shit when it could be so much more, but faggots like you that hate the idea of actually playing a game for the gameplay instead of slapping loot filters on so you can get your dopamine hit finding an potentially decent item like a laboratory rat lining up for a food pellet the second one of the 5,000 "rare drops" of shit flood the ground (which is the actual game here).

>>713992469
>You're talking about speedrunning, right?
No retard, I'm talking about just being good at the game. This is just how old people played games. You are an actual honest to god real zoomer with a zoomer mindset, and I bet you think you're an ebin boomer for playing old games wrong lol

>>713992603
Hilariously, DQ3 is harder than D2. The hardest part of D2 is not falling the fuck asleep from how passive the gameplay it.

>>713992720
Any speedrunner that intentionally handicaps themselves by wearing shit gear will always be more skilled than you if they're quicker than you are. Cope.

>>713992831
DQ3 is a baby game that can be beaten with all fighters spamming attack.

>>713992873
You clearly have nothing left to say so this is my last reply. Have fun bumping your thread for the next 10 hours then making it tomorrow so you can talk to yourself again. This is why 4chan is dying.

>>713979665 (OP)
Chris Wolcen???

>>713992951
>D2 fag accusing other games being "spammy"
>Accused DQ3 of all games of this

>>713979665 (OP)
>Chris Wilson just resurfaced after years of disappearance from the public eye to announce his new studio Light Pattern that will be working on a new D2-inspired game.
HEY, I'VE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE!
>Bald Fucking Retard™: "What do you mean you've seen this before? It's brand new! (Buy my Not-Path of Exile 2, BTW)"

>>713981176
Worse, he'll nerf shit because Zoom-Zoom-Zoom ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yF3fCWfmEk ) isn't what he wants, but the player base does, and Zoom-Zoom-Zoom was a D2 playstyle despite how much he doesn't want it to be.

>>713993196
DQ3 is for babies. I've beaten it multiple times. I still love it, though. A cleric that multiclasses into a fighter after learning healus is a machine that cannot be stopped.

>>713993124
WOLCEN WILL RISE AGAIN.

The devs are making a new ARPG that's an extraction game - https://store.steampowered.com/app/3086590/Project_Pantheon/

>>713993443
People beat D2 in a single sitting their first time playing it, Anon. Which one is truly the baby game, again?

>>713993094
Funny, because I've backed up my posts with proof that I play the games you retards claim are so much more skillful than D2. I bet you guys don't have a single save on your computer. Where are your Wizardry saves or DQ saves? Do you even play the games you claim to?

>>713979665 (OP)
Do boomers really want to play the same fucking game for 40 years?

>>713979665 (OP)
Why is he so bald

>>713993772
Dragon Quest. Every single one of them are way easier than Diablo 2. It's not even close. These games aren't difficult at all. They're basically fun menu simulators.

wonder if hes selling to tencent again https://www.chriswilson.gg/

>>713993918
people play solitaire, poker and hearts all the time. what's the diff?

>>713994051
But he isn't Piglike!

>>713979921
About time someone said it. Diablo 2 is simply too old and creaky to be fun in this day-and-age.

>>713994905
Fuck off.

>>713994051
He's a fucking retard that's why.

>>713994061
You keep saying this, but more people have legitimately beaten D2 than any DQ game (any single one), so perhaps lower your tone and aquire perspective.

>>713979665 (OP)
D2 is so insanely overrated

>>713994905
Based take

>>713995242
That has absolutely nothing to do with anything besides the fact that DQ never took off in the west outside of decrepit fuckers like myself discovering the series due to Nintendo Power back in the early 90s. Diablo 2 is also absurdly popular in Asia for a 2000s PC game. Now you and the tranime retard ITT start posting proof that you play these games. Put up or shut up. Prove that I'm not the last person on this board that still plays vidya.

>>713995402
Let me guess, you think that Super Metroid is also overrated?

>>713995724
>One of the most well known known JRPG games and series in existence "didn't take off"
lol. lmao, even. D2 was popular because it was braindead gatchaslop before we even had a term for it.

>>713995932
DQ did not take off in the west. You're delusional are very misinformed.

>>713995883
Diagonal jumping feels like shit in Super Metroid. Otherwise the game is good.

>>713995989
Must be why they keep releasing Dragon Quest games. All the no money they make.

>>713995883
Yes but unlike Diablo Super Metroid actually takes skill to complete

It's acatually amazing how dogshit poe is. You would think a decade and a half of designing for this type of genre would have poe2 better but no, they just dumped everything from the first game in the second one as well.

>>713996121
Because they haven't given up yet for some reason. You'd have to ask them. Look at the sales for the games and they're dismal outside of DQ11. DQ is niche. They didn't bring DQ5 and 6 to the west initially. People had to emulate those games until Square Enix finally ported them many years later. I remember trying to convince my friends that played FF to give DQ a try back in the 90s and they wouldn't play them because they had never heard of them and thought the front view battles looked like shit.

You're deflecting though. I want proof that you play DQ. Post a save.

>>713996723
You not only assume I didn't beat a DQ game, but have lost the plot in the process. The argument is that these "baby games" are easier than D2 despite more people having beaten D2 due to how braindead it is (a fact you aren't even attempting to argue against, might I point out) after either you or another Anon decided to drag DQ into this discussion for whatever reason.

So let's assume for a second I hadn't beaten a DQ game (I have) for the sake of argument; wouldn't that simply help prove my point and not yours? What's the end goal with this pissing contest on your part, exactly? To prove your original statement incorrect, or something?

>>713979921
based and truthpilled
I love it when fags and redditors are reminded of their shit taste
exile is also a shit game

>>713979921
I don't have the picture saved but just imagine I posted that one meme about the guy saying "this thing that everyone thinks is the coolest thing ever is shit".
Some people drink the contrarian kool aid too deeply.

>>713997143
More people beat D2 because it's more popular. You're equating popularity to game difficulty for some reason. I can only assume that you're doing that because you are an actual retard. Souls games are very popular and are difficult. Popularity has nothing to do with it. There is only one DQ game that is even remotely difficult and it's still easier to beat than D2 and takes zero skill. It's all grind based and luck based. You have to hope that the final boss doesn't spam heal all.

>nothing in the news on my research
Calling fake and gay, you would also think he'd have a no-compete clause...
POE was the same shit forever since I quit in Heist (except maybe Beta in the docks group farming meta), and the last time I checked it was rollslop with no loot pinata chase like D2 and the rest were. Chris also hated loot explosions so his game will probably be shit.

>>713979665 (OP)
who cares man
time has shown us that everything this guy has made was good by PURE RANDOM CHANCE despite his every attempt to sabotage it with his genuine retarded design that nobody wants, that was worse than d2 in every way and that introduced 500 more problems and 500000 more hours of grinding per reward than d2 had
he will not make anything good, he is simply a likeable pr speaker
poe is only successful because it adds new content every 3 months, that's it.
if d2 added actual new content every 3 months, or d4, or whatever else instead of the half assed non content they add every like 9 months, they would be more successful than poe

>>713979665 (OP)
>Second favorite game of all time is Guild Wars
>Makes a Diablo clone as the first game
>For whatever reason the second game is also a Diablo clone
>Makes new studio
>Makes yet another Diablo clone
Fuck this retarded industry.

>>713979665 (OP)
spam farming hundreds of times to get rare loot isn't a good mechanic, you just are mentally ill

>>713997908
Nobody's come up with anything better.

>>713983286
d2 is peak arpg gameplay retard
nobody wants anything more than that
they don't want your dogshit rotations and combo abilities or whatever else you adhd zoomer retards think is good

>>713986304
>playing to the end of act 5 in hc/p8 solo is good enough.
No it is not, you are a fucking moron lmao. Everyone with this kind of idiot take is always someone who beat normal act 5 then dipped. Sorry, you didn't beat the game, you don't understand the game. Until you beat hell, you have no idea and your opinion is worth zero.
Nightmare act 1 is not the same as normal act 1, the game CONTINUALLY scales and changes all the way from normal act 1 through to hell act 5, you people are just clowns who convince yourself that it doesn't change after normal so you can justify not putting the time and energy into playing it (you know it will be too hard for you lmao)

This is the modern version of D2 for me, improved on almost everything besides music (and pvp but its dead in d2 for 15years anyway)

I'm convinced d2 fans suffer from some kind of brain damage

>>713999270
Not beating hell means you're better at the game than someone who can beat hell because well it's not actually hard anyway you can just farm and diablo 2 is a baby game and...

>>713997908
You don't actually have to play that way. You can beat the game wearing literal trash that you found off of the ground along the way. It's just hard to do.

>>713999995
>besides music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6J5lT9kcrE&pp=ygUVZ3JpbSBkYXduIGxvbmVseSBtb29u

>>713999995
No randomized maps is a deal breaker for me. After a third playthrough, I was so bored because the maps never change.

Go away bald fucking retard
Another D2 clone, how fucking original. Maybe your time would be better spent making a Recettear market and economy simulator with D2 gameplay and classes slapped on

>>714002815
>gets up and awkwardly walks off the stage as the camera slowly pans after him
Did someone in the room make a joke about him being bald?

Destiny 2 sucks tho