How the HECK did THIS become so popular it spawned an entire genre of hero slop dogshit

>>714043968 (OP)
custom maps

Because regular war3 filtered millions and this was easier

>>714044030
He's talking about that map specifically, which is Dota. I can still tell what those items are even though it was a really long time ago. I'm pretty sure it's
>Vlads
>Blink dagger next to it
>Mekansm
>Power Treads

>>714043968 (OP)
The graphics looked good for the time, and it was fun to play.

>>714043968 (OP)
warcraft for retards who were filtered by warcraft like what >>714044046 said

>>714043968 (OP)
tides of blood was better

>>714043968 (OP)
it's fun

>>714043968 (OP)
>>714044271
oh you're right.

>>714043968 (OP)
play anti mage and stack mana burn early. mana burn > immolation > blink

>>714043968 (OP)
china and russians

>>714043968 (OP)
was just a fun little custom map

IMO these were better:
Wintermaul Wars + Element TD
Evo Tag
RotRP
Angel Arena

So many great maps.
Why did Blizzard purposefully gimp this part of their game.

>>714043968 (OP)
this >>714044046, i used to play this with a fren after playing warcraft. Back then, DotA was treated like just another hero arena though it was more structured, while other hero arenas were more brawly

must’ve been nice back then having so many flash games and wc3 maps to steal ideas from

>>714044660
>Why did Blizzard purposefully gimp this part of their game.
Greed. They didn't make money from Dota and threw a shit fit over it.

I've always hated DOTA and all that faggotry. It singlehandedly killed the UMS scene.

>>714043968 (OP)
who the fuck knows. dota wasnt even one of the fun assfaggots maps.

>>714043968 (OP)
Warcraft3 was something out of this world.

this is a moo moo board

>>714044928
>They didn't make money from Dota
That's because one of the big bosses hated mobas and kicked icefrog when he pitched the idea

When I played dota on wc3 you had your hero unit, income, and had to spend gold to send units to the opponent. I was told the unit sending part got automated in newer dotas. Absolutely no clue why this genre is popular if you just control that one hero unit.

>>714043968 (OP)
perfect time and place

>>714043968 (OP)
That wasn't the first of its kind though.

>>714044402
based ocean enjoyer. tides of blood had way more variety and some busted-ass heroes. felt like an actual war with all the unit spawns and lane pushes. dota was cleaner but tides just had that pure jank charm.

>>714045514
Yeah, I agree. Around that time, you could play ARPGs like Diablo 2, Dungeon Siege, etc, where you controlled one guy and killed hordes of mobs. Dota was similar, while allowing people to play with and against others. It was like an ARPG with PVP, and that's why it became so popular.

for me, it was Hero Defense

>>714043968 (OP)
For me it was Anime Maul

>>714046324
>Anime Maul

What is that? Did you play the Fate/Stay Night map? That one was high quality. The most well-made map (that wasn't Dota) was either the FSN one, or NOTD: AM. People really worked hard on those custom maps.
The actual Fate/Stay Night was a Visual Novel, and someone made a full game in Warcraft 3 where you could play as the Servants and fight other people.

>>714045381
>why this genre is popular if you just control that one hero unit.
A big aspect of MOBAs is incorporating fighting game mechanics in the form of laning.
But then you have
>level progression / exp gain/deny
>gold/ gear progression
>minion control (when to freeze/push/balance )
>vision control
>rotations
It's a combinatorics explosion of complexity, and that's BEFORE you add another 4 teammates and enemies.

>>714047170
Dota 2 is extremely complex. You can tell how complex something is by how much discussion it gets on /v/, and there's none for Dota 2.

>>714047267
Yeah, it's pretty sad.
Also the fact that one of the most interesting genres in all of video games has barely been explored, and is already in the same stagnant purgatory as MMOs right now.

>>714047751
>Yeah, it's pretty sad.

Does that mean you're a fan? Did you watch PGL Wallachia?

>>714047751
That's because complex or not, ASSFAGGOTS games are like day drinking after you turn 26, you have to make a decision to either quit that shit and live like a human being or start transitioning into the park bum gang.

>>714047170
you can do all that in regular war3 but you fags are too stupid for a real game

>>714043968 (OP)
i dont know but tons of people hated dota as the custom map scene was dying since everything hosted was just dota maps instead of random goofy stuff or tds

>>714043968 (OP)
I don't know, I never played it back when it was just a custom map because it was shitty. The heroes were boring despite the wc3 map editor being powerful as fuck. And most people who played it were europoors and I'm europoor myself but europoors have really bad english that they refuse to speak and can't communicate and cooperate for shit.

>>714047170
that's a stretch
most games can be analyzed as having "combinatoric complexity" but in practice most builds are pure shit and you have a meta that you must stick to
and then it's a matter of mastering that meta, having a good internet connection, good reaction speed etc.

Legion TD also gave birth to autochess. Warcraft 3 honestly had the best custom content community I've ever seen.