Fallout IP creator Tim Cain:
>"We specifically decided against Terminator style robots... so it was shocking to me to see them show up in Fallout 4."
M-m-m-onnstter kill (kill kill kill)

>>714055084 (OP)
this guy have crustbustin sex every single day btw

>>714055084 (OP)
Wrong. Bethesda just wanted to do their own version of I, Robot. It’s a cool idea but horribly executed and the Institute aesthetic just looks fucking bland

>umm they aren't terminator bots, they're blade runner bots

How many decades has it been since he's been involved in a good game?

>>714055826
And how many decades since Bethesda made a good game?

>>714056073
starfield was released in 2023, so its two years ago

>714056213
not even worth a (You)

>>714055084 (OP)
They also made Assaultrons (pure sex) so it evens out for me

>>714055084 (OP)
Wow cain you don't even know that they were introduced in a fallout 3 side quest? And that you aren't allowed to criticize anything terminator style (even though synths are blade runner style) after skynet in fallout 2?
buy skyrim: legendary anniversary edition to atone

>714056073
>BUT WHAT ABOUT
Begone.

>>714055737
Replicants aren't bots, but yeah Emil clearly ripped off Bladerunner for Fallout 4

>>714055084 (OP)
I played Fallout for the first time the past few weeks and I didn't really enjoy it outside of the the music and art style

>>714055737
ha ha funny, but Tim and his team decided early on (you know, using design documents, something Bethesda is on record not using past Fallout 3) to use Robby the Robot (picrel) from Forbidden Planet as the artistic inspiration for the fallout robots.

>>714055084 (OP)
>never played any fallout except 2
man i missed alotta bullets

>>714056452
CRPGs aren't for everyone.

>>714056213
lmao

>714056213
Bait so terrible you don't even deserve the (You)

Much respect to Tim Cain, but Fallout 1 was the only good Fallout game.

>>714056329
see >>714056591
Also, Tim Cain left about half way through development of Fallout 2 due to Brian Fargo fucking him over on his bonus for his job on Fallout. All because 3 weeks before shipping Fallout a game-breaking crash bug was found, and it took over 2 weeks to find it due to how random the crashes would occur. After they found and fixed it an angry Brian Fargo demanded to know which programmer it was that caused the error. Tim Cain, a man of principles, refused to identify the team member responsible as it was not a malicious act.

>>714055084 (OP)
tim cain, homosexual, sellout, shilled the tv show, hasnt made anything in thirty plus years besides vlogging about taking pozzed loads up his fat boomer faggot ass

>>714056771
>taking an old faggot at his word
lol

Because the primary idea behind Fallout was having a post-apocalyptic world and seeing humans interact/survive in that environment.
This whole robot/synt vs human thing is completely detached from what makes Fallout Fallout
Would be okay if it was just a small side quest in one of the games but making it the primary focus just makes no sense whatsoever. But Bethesda don't see that or don't care. According to them Fallout simply means "Brotherhood of Steel, Powerarmor and big nukes"

>>714056213

>>714056771
>fucked up
>didn't get a bonus
Yeah that seems normal.
>Tim Cain, a man of principles, refused to identify the team member responsible
Doesn't even matter if this is true. If you're in charge of the team, you're responsible for its fuck ups.

>>714056715
You may be shocked to learn Tim agrees.

>>714056914
I don't see how synths are any more removed than super mutants

>>714056614
I guess not. I felt like I was constantly missing shit without a guide and with a guide it was just savescumming. Maybe that was the point.

>>714057130
How the fuck are mutants detached from post-apocalypse?
Meanwhile replicants make no goddamn sense in a society that isn't a full on sci-fi world

>>714057220
Super mutants are organic monsters made in a lab.
Synths are robotic monsters made in a lab.
Neither of them have anything to do with how "humans interact/survive" in a post-apocalyptic world.

>>714057220
green goo that turns people into superhumans is full sci fi
fallouts pre-war world is pretty science fictiony with the power armor and laser weapons, so a group of scientists making replicants make as much sense as a scientist making superhumans

>>714057130
Mutants make perfect sense because the whole nation got obliterated in nuclear fallout plus Vaults having all those fucked up weird experiments on people.
Also: Mutants existing makes synths even more pointless cause we already got the "are they even actual humans" debates though ghouls and muties. There was no need to also pull super advanced robots into this. You are now just rehashing previously visited plotpoints from a different ankle.

>>714057396
I think it was intentionally rehashing super mutants, iirc your son is kidnapped because synths also need pure DNA

>>714056213
kek

>>714057548
I think so too. Why come up with something new if you can come up with an excuse to just endlessly re-use the same old stuff again and again.
People call Bethesda Fallout the "Disneyfication of Fallout" for a reason. Just like Disney keep rehashing things like Star Wars with endless evil empire vs rebel plotlines Bethesda will find a way to endlessly rehash previously visited Fallout questions and conflicts.

>>714057685
>People call Bethesda Fallout the "Disneyfication of Fallout" for a reason
No one calls it that retard.

>>714057734
Except people do.
And Bethesda really make it obvious by making everything about DUDE BROTHERHOOD MAN IN POWERARMOR
Fallout is being turned into an easily recognizeable brand without any depth to it.

>>714057685
So do they not understand fallout or do they understand it too well?
Seems like a catch 22 with fans where any departure is disrespectful and any homage is lazy theft

>>714057817
If all you do is homages and retreading previous grounds you are not understanding it - you are just milking it for what its worth

Honestly seeing some technological progress in Fallout is a lot better than Bethesda's shitty caricature of 50s retrofuturism

>>714056821
>>714055280
i despise all of you
you guys worship laying conman faggots like Todd howard for making literal turds and scams like F76 and shartfield
but go out for your way to shit on and discredit every single creator
>he only made on good game
>he made no good games
>actually it was other guys who made it
>other guys are mention
>actually they didn't make it either it was just time and Divine intervention

>>714058551

>>714056821
>hasnt made anything in thirty plus years
Bloodlines and Arcanum are not that old. He's made more good games than 99% of developers /v/ likes sucking off. Tim is based.

>>714058830
I've seen so many threads crying about this Emil guy and only now do I learn he did THIS? That's funny.

Bethesda made 5 unlicensed Terminator games back in the 90s. Todd Howard's first game was Terminator: Future Shock.

>>714055084 (OP)
I agree with Tim Cain, even if before this moment I had no idea who he was.

The Synths and those Assaultrons don't fit the aesthetic.

They should've just done clones. Outright clones.

And then you do "synths" by saying they're designer, digital clones. That is, you're not taking the DNA and copying it, you're building it from a recorded recipe. Then you get your Blade Runner knock-off but then have to do something else with the robot soldiers. And that detective robert.

>>714055084 (OP)
>but having the tardis is completely fine!

>>714059498
Tim Cain. Famously a big fan of the pop culture references in Fallout 2. Yep!

>>714056591
>using design documents, something Bethesda is on record not using past Fallout 3
Based fucking retard

>>714056213
Based

>>714056213
Holy based

>>714058785
Yeah but people still deserve credit
A lot of people worked behind the scenes on goodfellas and it was based on book but you still give some credit to marty

>>714055084 (OP)
Avowed is garbage and it's hard to take the opinion of these former developers seriously. Hasn't anyone learned anything since MN9? It's interesting to learn a few things but they only serve to feed into that parasocial relationship. That's why I've grown to like niggas like Mikami. At least he makes games

>>714060532
Avowed is good and Tim Cain had nothing to do with it.

>>714060738
It's garbage, I've just played it and it felt like a game in an alpha stage

>>714060798
That level design and combat are not from an alpha stage game, lil bro.

>>714056213
They hated him because he spoke the truth

>>714060850
It felt like one. Obsidian devs should just leave Microsoft dick and open another studio. It's very possible in this crowdfunding and algorithm dominated world

>>714055084 (OP)
Yeah better add speaking Deathclaws to the game.

>>714061067
And yet another Monty Python reference.

>>714055084 (OP)
faggot since 80s

>>714055084 (OP)
Terminator style robots?

Is he talking about assaultrons? I don't think they have much in common with terminator and their design fits the fallout setting.

>>714061356
He wants to paint Bethesda ideas as low brow. That's why he calls the robots “Terminators” instead of “Replicants”. Because one is low brow cinema and the other is too high brow. You can't keep giving Bethesda credit. He started this series in good faith, but he's already starting to have grifter opinions.

>>714057049
you know this is exactly how brian fargo thought, and tim cain raised a good point about it
>"how does any of this motivate me to make fallout 2?"
being a vindictive, shortsighted moron is why brian fargo is still quite unsuccessful. he's a trust fund baby born in california that was given countless opportunities to become incredibly successful and he managed to squander all of them. losing a cheap but guaranteed money making employee just so you can pwn him over some vaguely moral issue is a riot. what a fucking loser

>>714061516
>terminators are considered low brow
>skinthropes are high brow
Grim

>>714055084 (OP)
I mean it makes sense. They would just be doing what Wasteland did. And Wasteland 2 even calls them Synths.

>>714056591
i do like protectrons though, theyre cute and i think they fit designwise close to robobrains

>>714058931
>He
making games is a team effort, did he make all the art, music and wrote story himself?

>>714057343
yes and no. At least in the case of Super Mutants, there is a rich and plausible lore.

Super Mutants
>Richard Grey breaks into pre-war military base with a team of survivors, everyone dies (except Harold who makes it out)
>Discovers US gov was experimenting with forced evolutionary virus (FEV) to create super soldiers
>Grey almost dies and becomes the Master, obsessed with repopulating earth with super mutants

Synths
>Institute founded to make synths to "better humanity"
>They like making synths
>They want to better humanity but treat anyone outside the Institute as a threat
>They became obsessed with human-like synths to infiltrate the surrounding human societies for no reason
>Synths are more important than humans
>Yeah baby Synths WOOOOOO!!

>>714063283
You're right and everyone understands this.

>>714057362
The problem is the motivations behind the actions. The Master in FO1 was a mutated freak and barely sane, obsessed with repopulating the Earth with smart muties (they were always smart by default) to be resistant to the devastating radiation found in countless areas

The Institute's existence is to make synths for the sole purpose of making synths. The stated reason for its existence and activities is a vague and contrived "to better humanity" which is never elaborated on. They want to help humanity yet their actions show they perceive all outsiders as a threat. Calling their facility high tech is an understatement even by pre-war standards, and they spend all their time building replicants rather than technologies to help humans out in the wasteland. It's just one plot hole after another and it's hard to take seriously.

>>714057734
Please stop being rude or I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to leave. If you cannot share the toys then you are going into a time-out.

>>714059498
That was an easter egg random encounter aka obviously non-canon.

>>714059559
Tim left Interplay half way through development, and had stated in recent times he thought the pop culture references were overdone and on the nose.

>>714055084 (OP)
>Tim Gay

>>714064525
Can someone explain the triangle system because I don't get how it works

Who is more punchable, this fag or Pirate?

>>714065981
Something something simple is better and triangles are intuitive. His premise is wrong. No point in trying to figure the solution for a made up problem.

>>714063637
There's just as much lore explaining the institutes actions by which I mean neither are particularly well-written but the explanations are there

>>714065981

>>714065981
games are made of triangles

>>714056771
Funny how we never hear Brian Fargo's side of the story

>>714064525
How up your ass do you need to be a dev and miss the point of PoE's grid? It's designed that way for granular progression and decision making based on the loot system. The first few hours of gameplay are fun because you're building your character either with a build in mind, to create one based on the best gear you find or likely a combination of both. The grid plays a major part in that and the economy is even partially ran on skill reset orbs.

>>714055084 (OP)
>the faggot creator of a faggot game thinks hetero creations are bad
WOAH!
who fucking cares faggot.

>>714064525
>2 triangles
>inverted
ok now overlap them...

>>714055084 (OP)
>>714055645
Synths have existed since Fallout 3. Besides it makes no sense no one would develop more sophisticated robots 200 years after they could be found everywhere in the streets. Producing synths to restore human civilization would make way more sense than deploying FEV virus if they didn't botch the dialogue in Fallout 4's ending.

>>714066875
you sound so threatened lol

>>714066953
kek

>>714056303
Built for assaulting

>>714068197
>no you!
is that the best you can do?

>>714068508
i also think its funny that he used poe as an example which just shows he is a midwit.
>more dots = too complex
like why use an example of a system you dont even understand?

>>714055084 (OP)
Did this guy ever explain why The Outer Worlds is such a bad game?

>>714070294
plebs don't recognize or understand good game design.

>>714055084 (OP)
>Terminator style robots
what? Where in Fallout 4?

>>714056073
2 and a third to be precise. 23 years ago morrowind came out.

>>714065981
guess its not that intuitive

>>714070354
Nigga outer worlds did not have good game design. Go play swordflight or fallout 1 if you want good game design

>>714070539
>fallout 1
>good game design
I love Fallout 1 but it's a train wreck in every possible way
Anyone who denies it hasn't played it or just delusional

>>714070426
he means terminator style in that they stand upright and are Human Shaped rather than any actual reference to the t-series terminators.

>>714070726
where was that in fallout 4. You have the slow robots and the flying octopus robot

>>714056213

>>714056213
Both Starfshit and Oblivion remastershit failed. Thank God, normies are waking up.

>>714071147
oblivion had crazy sales. Youre just coping. Even bigger than StarKino. Todd is undoubtadely on the rise

>>714057220
Reps make no sense from Fallouts tech scale. They had that 1950s style before the bombs. Even in 200 years, you think they'd find super tech scientists to make synths!?

>>714055737
actually they're westworld bots

>>714055084 (OP)
bethesda has no fucking clue what its doing with fallout
more news at 11

>>714055084 (OP)
he's a faggot so his opinion is irrelevant

>>714057148
I know I'm 6 hours late, but Fallout really does 3 things well: world building, writing and aesthetic. The gameplay is fine, but it requires you to trial-and-error your way into a workable build (unless you look up a guide or something). The RNG is also a bit fucked, but it's an old game.

>>714055084 (OP)
its so blatant that avellone, Sawyer and boyarski did all the heavy lifting.

>>714075021

>>714058551
I am sure you'll say the same about them when they say something you don't like

wtf was he doing during this?

>>714075758
Gooning

>>714075758
is it possible that he maybe worked on some websites or mobile apps or something? This seems like it shows only video games

>>714055084 (OP)
>>714055645
I've been saying for years they should have done it like Metropolis

>>714066953
Rent free

>>714075758
I give Sandy a free pass to be a stereotypical midwestern Mormon because without him, we wouldn't have modern role-playing games. Sandy is that level of influence, while Tim has had no significant influence on the industry

>>714066281
What's this from?

>>714057148
This is pretty common with CRPGs, especially fallout. It's meant to be hard. One time in fallout 2 because I didn't take an optimal build both I and Sulik died to an angry Brahmin.

>>714076860
some guy's photoshop probably
he was poking fun at modern soulless UI

>>714069930
You don't deserve anyone's best

>>714065981
>good at 1 thing
>bad at 2

>good at 2 things
>bad at 1

>player doesnt feel as "specialized" because they have 2 superior abilities instead of just 1
>extrapolate as necessary

>>714055084 (OP)
all game designers should watch Tim's videos

>>714075758
probably some very odd jobs, his company just went tits up. I wouldn't be surprised if he did food delivery or pool cleaning just to survive since he had a house in LA to pay off during that period.